Hi,
I am sorry if this has been covered in old posts but i am getting no where with o2 and the other UK operators.
I am due an upgrade with o2 now but i want to wait until XDAs have WM6 on them, Does anyone know what the first XDA will be released with WM6? When it will be released? Or will it ever be released? as O2 do not have a clue.
If any of the other network operators are bringing out there versions with WM6 the same questions apply as i will just move phone operators.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
i thought windows mobile 6 wasnt coming out till november? i might be wrong as i havent been on top of wm lately (im a symbian guy myself)
Not sure myself
I know Orange are releasing the SPV E650 in April. However it runs WM6 Standard and not professional (i.e. its a smartphone not a Pocket PC).
Would guess Pocket PC's should follow soon after but there are still quite a few WM5 based devices scheduled for a release.
Would say the best bet would be to hold on but if your iching to upgrade (i know i would be) then I would suggest getting a Hermes based device. I would say that it's one of the best HTC devices currently available and people are cooking WM6 ROMs on it already!!! Its also rumoured to be one of the few devices that will eventually have an official WM6 update.
S.K.
The official HTC forum in Norway has confirmed that HTC will release an WM6 update for TyTn.
http://smartmobil.no/Article639.phtml
Sorry if this information is outdated
Its also on Qtek's swedish site that theres 5 HTC phones definitly getitng the official upgrade.. http://www.qtek.se/sweden/nyheter/senaste_nytt.aspx
I'm sure it has already been covered someplace else on the forums already mind.
Yea, i think it have been posted earlier today/this week. Says late summer, so im thinking july, august
well, this is great news.
let's hope the official update will have all problems fixed etc.
Cingular announced this a few weeks ago. Actually they confirmed WM6 for the 8525, blackjack AND treo 750. No release dates though, but engadget reported that the Blackjack update is probably going to be released the earliest.
official WM6
Hi
Its true that TyTn gone have an official WM6. But I’m not sure that they can delivery it in June or July because TyTn Europe couldn’t jet delivery a new Swedish MW5 Rom witch been known since months on xda-developers forum it was suppose to delivery in January 07. so I satisfying so long with current WM6 such as Black, LVSW etc.
regards
Yes, and the question is: witch one will be better? Or better suiteable...
I believe that the heroes here (we all are) investigated so much in this stuff that I will make this statement: HTC learn from XDA or you lose!!! Probably they've read all our treads and learnd from it.
Question: What do you think concerning this matter?
I think Cingular/HTC waits for the developers here to solve all the problems then they just copy and release what was done here Saves them time and money developing their own stuff. lol
krisg0 said:
I think Cingular/HTC waits for the developers here to solve all the problems then they just copy and release what was done here Saves them time and money developing their own stuff. lol
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hahaha, lol, man, its cool.
They will read your post and theirs faces will be red.
Its true though... even if an offical release becomes available for my Vario II, I'm not totally sure that I would upgrade giving tha I'm so happy with my LVSW WM6 install
i have the same sentiments... the roms here are almost "made to order" with features that majority of us agree on. I really can't imagine upgrading to an official "operator" or "manufacturer" rom unless there's a big boo boo in the one's i've installed from here (which there have been none I might add).
Cheerios! Leo
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krisg0 said:
I think Cingular/HTC waits for the developers here to solve all the problems then they just copy and release what was done here Saves them time and money developing their own stuff. lol
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For sure, this is the development field of WM6.
Where are the going to find such gurus as here?
And for free....
leo-chan said:
i have the same sentiments... the roms here are almost "made to order" with features that majority of us agree on. I really can't imagine upgrading to an official "operator" or "manufacturer" rom unless there's a big boo boo in the one's i've installed from here (which there have been none I might add).
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I presonally prefer official ROMs over these user-made. WM6 roms I've tried do have more or less annoying bugs and unusefull software (xcept maybe for vanillas).
Original roms are (or at least should be) guaranteed to work on phones they have been made for.
jfrm said:
For sure, this is the development field of WM6.
Where are the going to find such gurus as here?
And for free....
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Yes, advanced users here provide very much, but not that many actually developes the OS itself. They just add tweaks
and some freeware programs in it.
Oh and believe me, there are more gurus out there as well. This is just a forum with few experts and I doubt they
do this for a living, more like a hobby.
For free? How many times you have paid for a rom that operator releases?
And WM6 for free? I'd say that's piracy. You do pay for at least to upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?
When you buy a new computer that comes with an OS, you can't assume that you are entitled for a free upgrade
to OS when ever one is released.
I find the best thing this forum has to offer is free problem solving when it comes to bricking your device when
you either don't have a clue what you are doing or then something goes wrong while flashing your phone.
Hats off for the expert for that.
Wiper said:
And WM6 for free? I'd say that's piracy. You do pay for at least to upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?
When you buy a new computer that comes with an OS, you can't assume that you are entitled for a free upgrade to OS when ever one is released.
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I found this comment interesting - and technically, it sounds true , so as not to diverse from the original post, I've started a new thread incase anyone else wonders what the legalities are... I don't know, I'm just wondering myself!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302409
Great news...
I wonder if this is the reason the upgrade that was announced for Q1 still hasn't been released?
Jörg
Wiper said:
You do pay for at least to upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?
When you buy a new computer that comes with an OS, you can't assume that you are entitled for a free upgrade
to OS when ever one is released.
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It is quite different thing for several reasons:
1. You can't go and buy an OS for a PocketPC or smartphone. Moreover, there is no and can't be a market for OSes for such devices: any build is device dependent. Show me that shop, and I'll buy Symbian or Linux for my TyTN!
2. When you buy a motherboard, you expect free BIOS update, especially if the original is buggy. For embedded devices (STB, modem, router, MP3 player etc) you do expect free firmware update, especially if the original one is buggy. No matter that the firmware is based on a Linux or even no OS. Windows Mobile is just a part of the firmware for our devices.
And, because Windows Mobile is always buggy, we do expect free updates!
Yes, you get free updates for BIOS as you do get for your phone. They are called ROM updates, which include fixes for radio, bootloader, OS fixes and stuff, but NOT a new OS.
As I see it, when a new OS has been released, it will be sold as a part of a new phone (OEM). As you can't purchase OEM versions you are stuck with the one you currently own, but you still do get free updates.
I would find it quite strange if you would be supported with brand new OS for no additional cost, since I believe the operators/manufacturers sure has to pay license fees for
new OS's.
Wiper said:
I would find it quite strange if you would be supported with brand new OS for no additional cost, since I believe the operators/manufacturers sure has to pay license fees for
new OS's.
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Don't be so restricted, look wider!
Manufacturers get money from selling their devices. If they won't update the OS on just released models (and TyTN is far from EOL), they loose sales. Then they can give the same ROM to us, old owners, for no cost for them.
Then, they just announced new models on almost the same hardware. They have to use the new OS on them, so they have to make the new ROM for them. But if they won't update our ROMs with the new OS, they'd have to continue supporting two different lines of ROMs, instead of one with small very specific changes. It's additional cost. Or, drop support for recent devices, means loose their face and then sales of new devices.
Believe me, it's not free, and not for no cost from us. We paid enough to let them support us until EOL, and they earn enough from such upgrades.
Just like owners of other devices paid for all the firmware updates, we paid for our updates. The early we purchased the more we paid, BTW. An update with the new OS for recent devices for HTC is cheaper than no updates or updates with old OS. Even if the update would be less stable/useful than WM5 AKU3.5!
Wiper said:
Yes, you get free updates for BIOS as you do get for your phone. They are called ROM updates, which include fixes for radio, bootloader, OS fixes and stuff, but NOT a new OS.
As I see it, when a new OS has been released, it will be sold as a part of a new phone (OEM). As you can't purchase OEM versions you are stuck with the one you currently own, but you still do get free updates.
I would find it quite strange if you would be supported with brand new OS for no additional cost, since I believe the operators/manufacturers sure has to pay license fees for
new OS's.
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If Microsoft provides the upgrade to the OEM for free (which it looks like they are doing for WM6) and the OEM provides the upgrade to current owners for free (which it looks like they will do when they eventually do it), then it is not piracy.
Keep in mind that Microsoft really makes its money on its core products (currently Vista, Office 2007 and Exchange 2007). They REALLY want users (especially enterprise users) to upgrade to those new products. If you have a Windows Mobile device, you need WM6 on those devices to take full advantage of the new features in the core products, so why wouldn't they give it away? It will pay for itself twice or three times over. Besides, as other users have pointed out, WM6 is really just a bug fix maintenance release for WM5.0!
John
Every one of us, is full aware, that since imate & HTC products being put in the market; we used to download posted upgrades from time to time from the sites of manufacturer.
for examples, the JasJam (or what called hermes), since it was placed in market (about a year ago or more) we haven’t received any claim from imate that an available WM6 is available at their site !! right?! While if we get back in our memory three years ago (to the age of Magician – imate jam ) all magician users knew that a lot of upgrades were posted authentically on imateclub.com
So why this is happen? Why imate or any other manufactures try to hide the authenticated WM6 versions from being posted on their sites?
does that because all posted WM6 as well as TNT, Shape's…etc are all FAKE!! Or in other words COOKED!!, does that means that it is very probable to get incompatibe technical errors for using the above WM6 versions???
For me, I have been using TNT SE WM6 for three months; and no notifications or mistakes reported ….. especially that I'm one of Pocket PCs for 5 years ago!!
So the point is: does our discussion point (which is the stoppage of these manufacturer from posting UPGRADES for users) is that might be as a marketing trick from imate, HTC….whatever!! I mean, that all of us knew how users were longing to use WM6 on their PDA's but at the same time not satisfied to change the set !!! right?
In other words, to do change in SOFTWARE not HARDWARE !! right?
So is it possible that imate or HTC ….etc and other manufacturer of PDA's ((with originally built in Windows Mobile 6)) were afraid from sales fall?
Because posting an authenticated WM6 for PDA's with originally WM5 could affect the users -to an extent- from purchasing the new one (which is originally WM6) ….. does any one thought that way??
I really wish to discuss this together and if someone has any information, please comment
it was kinda hard to read what you said but yea, those are all companies with the purpose of making money, not of making ppl happy
i m confident they would release any requested update if customers would massive ask for them, but if you think of it, it s not like EVERYONE who bought an htc device knows about software updates and such
I think you make a valid point, but who really cares. I would guess that most of the users on this forum who are using cooked roms have tried the official manufactures release, and were less than satisfied.
In many cases, after 1 or 2 generations of OS upgrades, hardware advances and continual price declines make a new phone more appealing to a user than an OS upgrade to a potentially underpowered device.
Hello to everyone you know if HTC roadmap has a new version of ROM for the Diamond. I have installed the latest available, but I saw that for the new PDA HTC has released new features. You believe that will be available in a new official ROM? Thanks Tony
I got a feeling that HTC gave up on Diamond cause they have Diamond 2 which replace Diamond.
Hopefully not...
HTC will probably never release any official updates of Manila for the Diamond (or any other existing phones). Cause if they do, people won't by their new phones
I don't want to be a nitpicker but could you add a question mark to the thread title?
You shouldn't fire up hope when you just have a question and not an announcement.
On topic: Compared to other HTC devices and other manufacturers in general our dear Diamond received quit a lot of updates. 1.37,1.93,1.97,2.00,2.03,2.07,2.09 and now 2.10. Now think about your average SonyEricsson, Samsung,<place your manufacturer here> mobile phone.
This answare sended to me when asking for WM 6.5 to my Diamond:
Dear valued HTC customer,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center. We are dedicated to providing you with the best quality service and answering all of your questions and concerns.
You recently wrote us about enquiry.
Windows Mobile 6.5 will be available for the Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro2 as a free update. It will become available to download from our website under www.htc.com under “support”. This update may also become available for the Touch HD but this has not yet been confirmed. So far no other device models are scheduled to be given this update.
There is currently no official release date but we would recommend that you keep yourself updated regularly on our website in case of any further developments.
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I don't want to be a nitpicker but could you add a question mark to the thread title?
You shouldn't fire up hope when you just have a question and not an announcement.
On topic: Compared to other HTC devices and other manufacturers in general our dear Diamond received quit a lot of updates. 1.37,1.93,1.97,2.00,2.03,2.07,2.09 and now 2.10. Now think about your average SonyEricsson, Samsung,<place your manufacturer here> mobile phone.
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Hello Friend,
May I know where did you get update like 2.07, 2.09 and now 2.10?
I only see 2.03 available officially in HTC.
by ripping the OS from the ROMs from other phones
I read that jellybean was rumoured to be released to other network providers by the end of this week so..
I decided to check with an "o2 Guru" if they could tell me when Jellybean will be rolled out to the O2 branded HoX
As expected they could not answer my query - see below for the chat
You're through to Guru Steve.
Steve: Hi I'm Steve. How can I help?
Andy: Hi steve
Steve: Hello.
Andy: I was hoping you can tell me when Jellybean firmware will start to roll out on my HTC One X handset?
Steve: I'll check the info for you.
Andy: Thanks
Steve: Whenever a new software is launched by the manufacturers, we investigate and make sure that there is no issues in it which may affect the phone. Once it's done, it's shared for all our customers on our website. As of now, the investigation isn't done, so you'll have to wait for a few weeks until it's launched by us. Your patience and understanding is appreciated.
Andy: What stage are you guys currently at with testing? Do you have a ETA for the rollout to O2 customers?
Steve: I'm sorry this done by our software engineers and there is no exact timescale but once it is released on o2 you'll surely get the update about this.
Andy: The update has been released by HTC for unbranded devices and other service providers, o2 are always behind the pack with updates which is frustrating, Do you know how I can unbrand the device?
Steve: Yes the HTC has released for phones which are not network locked. Just to inform you that we don't want our customers to face the difficulty after upgrading the software that's the reason it is first tested and then it is released to network phones.
Andy: If the handset was not branded by O2 then I could flash the generic one that was released by HTC - Some customers have an idea what they are doing when it comes to software for their devices, I think it would be good to have an option to opt in for branding or opt out for development purposes
Andy: This is making me think twice about renewing my contract next summer - I would rather be paying money for a device I have full control over than to be treated like just another consumer
Steve: I respect your decision but I hope you can also understand my limitations as software are released by the manufacturer and then it is sent to service provider.
Andy: Yes I can understand you cannot answer any of my questions as your role is limited to a service desk and you can only give out information given by each division within your organisation. This is not directed at you personally, O2 can never clarify these things - your software team should give out better communication to you guys on the front end
Steve: Yes I can understand and I'll also surely forward your feedback to our relevant team.
Andy: LOL, Ok Im sure that will help me - Goodbye
So still no answers for O2 branded devices - My next move is to approach HTC and ask if they can tell me how to SuperCID
Don't expect any better help from HTC UK.But good luck in your quest.
I think tc was kinda rude, it's pretty obvious this call center guys don't know anything..
In fact most companies are hiring external help, so they know even LESS about the situation
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
The solution is simple:
Bye bye htc and scamming branded phone companies, buy your handset unbranded without a contract!
Hi Guys
Can we keep anything to do with confirmed updates in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2009525
And anything to do with JB discussion (including what this thread is in respect of)
in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2028941
Cheers peeps
Peace out
Thread closed. See post above mine for reasons.
Let's keep a MINIMUM of structure, please.