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Hi,
picked up a shiny new MDA III yesterday afternoon having switched providers - number transfer in progress - so I'm new to both the handset and the provider.
Managed to get the unit hooked up to my home WiFi network pertty simply etc and got the Active Sync sorted etc.... other than the fact the GRPS isn't configured out of the box, I've got a single major bugbear to sort.
That is that I don't seem to be able to get MSN Messenger to connect.
It's exhibiting exactly the same symptoms suggested here.... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;832515
... but obviously the refers to a previous OS version ?
So, either I have something to fix or unlock in the set-up, the port is blocked on the handset (works fine on my laptop on the same WiFi through the same firewall) ?
Had a search through the forums, but to no avail. Can anyone help me on this ?
Are there any recommended patches/fixes I should have installed straight from the off ?
Thanks in advance !
Matt
OK, just so you you don't think I'm totally clueless, from what I've just been reading in the T-Mobile online manual, I have to have the GPRS connection open to connect to Messenger.
Is this right ? Surely if I have a active WiFi connection is should be able to connect using that, right ? Will it connect via GPRS and then pass it over to WiFi ?
I'll have to check it when I get home to see if I can resolve it in that way.
Any other tips gratefully received !
Matt
I'm using Messenger with a CSD (GSM) connection because it's part of my allowance. Sorry but I haven't tried WiFi yet.
I'm having the same problem.
MSN Messenger works fine using GPRS but fails to login using my Wifi connection.
What's even weirder is that it works ok when docked (ActiveSync)!!!
I'm using MDA III on T-Mobile (UK)
Anyone got any ideas?
I've tried replicating this issue, but on my XDA IIs over WiFi, it connects to messenger no problem... it doesn't even try to initiate a GPRS connection first. I can only assume that the MDA III is configured slightly differently out of the box.
As a thought, you might want to double-check Connection Manager and see which type of connection is set for programs that automatically connect to the internet
Ok, home and finished doing the set-up.
I've found no way of using MSN by any other protocol than GPRS. If you are WiFi atached and attempt to use MSN, then it will drop the WiFi connection and instead pick up GPRS. And obviously you're on for .075p per kb... which might be the real answer in why T-Mobile have set-up the device in this way.
The 'programs that automatically connect to the internet' doesn't seem to allow you to select WiFi as the default connection, only the range of GSM/GPRS options and the 'My Work' one.
Should I use the 'My Work' VPN option and set that up to use WiFi ?
If anyonebody has got any tips on how to set or hack this... seems there are a few of us that might benefit !
Just out of curiosity: if you go into your WiFi manager, have you specifically told the device that the WiFi card in your MDA III connects you to "The Internet"?
I can't recall whether that was the default setting before I set up my wireless network connection on my IIs... it seems like such a no-brainer, but it could assume that your WiFi connection is to a work network etc.
I'm at work and it 's at home.... but I'm adamant that that it knows that the WiFi connection connects to the Intanet. As you say, I think that it is the default setting
However, I will check !
Any other MDA III owners shed any light on this ?
Hello.
I've got a rather anoying problem
I can't set up my device to automaticly choose to use wifi for programs that accesses the internet.
This causes the phone to enable an gprs connection every time i try to access the internet instead.
I have sucsessfully set ut the phone to connect to my wifi network and the communication works (skype runs)
In troubleshooting on HTC webpage you can find these instructions:
On your handset, 1. Click start > settings > connctions > connections > Advanced >Select Networks: Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using: "Internet".
My problem is that the option "internet" dosent exixt in the menu, can i have missed something in the setup?
Are you by nay chance using an O2 orbit? If so this is a 'feature' that O2 have introduced to make themselves richer. Check out the other posts on this subject
strongp said:
Are you by nay chance using an O2 orbit? If so this is a 'feature' that O2 have introduced to make themselves richer. Check out the other posts on this subject
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So what is the best way to get around it??? Another program to help us disable their "feature" and allow us to access the setting we need???
strongp said:
Are you by nay chance using an O2 orbit? If so this is a 'feature' that O2 have introduced to make themselves richer. Check out the other posts on this subject
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I've got an orbit and can use the internet, email and anything that needs to access the internet via connecting to my wifi router?
I doesn't access the gprs.
NickR said:
I've got an orbit and can use the internet, email and anything that needs to access the internet via connecting to my wifi router?
I doesn't access the gprs.
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i hve an orbit but sicne i opeend the box i shoved in my t-mobile sim
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if it is activted how is gprs being used now with another sim??
NickR said:
I've got an orbit and can use the internet, email and anything that needs to access the internet via connecting to my wifi router?
I doesn't access the gprs.
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Stupid question I guess but how do you know for definite that it is not connecting via gprs???
wombat45 said:
Stupid question I guess but how do you know for definite that it is not connecting via gprs???
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a message comes up at the top of the screen saying connecting : o2 Active
If you have wifi on as well they both appear in the connectivity list.
Cheers
NICK
I prefer wifi to GPRS
I've the same problem. No answers for me in the rest of the threads. I can't select mi wifi connections without ti disable the GPRS connection.
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Hi,
First post here.
I experienced similar problems just like you. What I did was to ring up O2 and asked them to disable GPRS on my line because my XDA Orbit was defaulting to GPRS connection whenever I tried to connect to the Internet using WiFi. I told them that I was very unhappy about it. Needless to say, they promptly disabled it.
After this, I saw an X on the title bar, where the GPRS connection used to show up (next to the signal strength).
I no longer have the default GPRS connection whenever I try to access the Internet via WiFi. This means that I can now surf the Internet from my PDA without having to incur any data charge.
kiwi992.
Well I have no problems, it all works as it should, the programs use the connection already established or connects to GPRS. If it is plugged in on USB it uses that. If you make a Wi-Fi connection it uses that. If you don't make either of those it connects to GPRS. But it won't look to make a Wi-Fi connection first. None of my devices have done that, not just the Orbit.
aloisia said:
I've the same problem. No answers for me in the rest of the threads. I can't select mi wifi connections without ti disable the GPRS connection.
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That is done on purpose as a security measure, you can not have two simultaneous connections (except if your using the phone as a modem when you can have USB & GPRS.)
Hi, Maskedmaraudore. Thanks for your answer. For me the problem isn't it: often I've both connections simultaneously (I supose, both are connected but only one is working and carrying out data, it's clair).
Problem is: with both active connections (wifi correctly started and GPRS available), but no sessions initiated, I run any program having an automatic connection to internet (explorer, outlook,...), and the device starts a GPRS connection without use the current, and able, wireless connection. Why I must pay with GPRS having my home wifi active???
I've the program "NO GPRS", that I found in this forum, I think, but not always I remember to use it: I only want that HTC choice wifi if it's available.
Thanks,
When configuring Activesync, you would choose which connection for it to use to sync with exchange server and in the WM5 I would pick My ISP but on the WM6 "Internet" is the only options in the drop down menu.
Shouldn't it be listing all avaiable connections you have added in the Connection settings?
Maybe a bug? or is there a setting where I select connection type for "Internet" on WM6?
Thanks
Bill
In the connections dialogue you select what My ISP (or whatever you use, i.e mine is 'O2') connects to, which is usually the internet.
When you set activesync to connect via the internet it will use ANY connection which does just that. So if you are connected via the USB to your pc it will connect to the internet through that. If you are disconnected from your PC it will use your GPRS instead.
I dont think it is a 'bug' really. Does your activesync work as desired?
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In the connections dialogue you select what My ISP (or whatever you use, i.e mine is 'O2') connects to, which is usually the internet.
When you set activesync to connect via the internet it will use ANY connection which does just that. So if you are connected via the USB to your pc it will connect to the internet through that. If you are disconnected from your PC it will use your GPRS instead.
I dont think it is a 'bug' really. Does your activesync work as desired?
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Yeah Activesync seem to be working fine but in WM5 it wouldn't work with connections that uses proxy and it would allow me to select a connection in the drop down menu that doesn't have proxy setting ie "My ISP"
Perhaps the new Activesync now works with proxy.
As far I can tell it's working fine.
Mine does not - I have to manually use activesync to get mail from the Exchange Server. Push does not seem to work. There is another thread on this here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297781
It is really annoying me at the moment as I canot find a workaround.
It seems that activesync can find the GPRS when I do a manual Sync, but has a warning that i do not have a cellular internet connection. Odd. I originally used the Orange .cab files to set up the connections, I then deleted them and recreated the connection manually which made no difference.
Any ideas would be welcome!
I have a similar problem. I'm not sure if it's the same or not. Help would be appreciated...
When my Hermes is roaming everything in hunky-dory, GPRS, HSDPA, Push-Email... all is running smooth. BUT...
When I Activesync (I have "Allow wireless connection on device when connected to the desktop" unchecked - as advised in this thread), the hermes initially drops any wireless connections, then, instead of using the PC's broadband (as per WM5 & Activesync 4.2) to sync with Exchange it tries to dial up to GPRS again. Sync ultimately fails with error code 85020006. This webpage says the problem is "The Connection Manager could not find a path to the destination.
- OR -
Unable to connect. Verify your dialup or proxy settings are correct, and try again"
This is annoying as I have SPB Insight installed which I want to use the PC's connection to update all the channels, as well as sync with Exchange.
EDIT: I tried this before among other things and it didn't work but now it seems to be working OK. The only thing I can think that has fixed it is changing "This computer is connected to:" The Internet
well i also have WM 6 installed on my device and when i configured AS to sync with mail2web exchange server it stopped accessing the Internet when connected to the PC via USB/ AS.... whenever i try to access the Internet when the device is cradled the device opens the GPRS connection and connects to the net.... how do i get AS to connect to the net when cradled and not GPRS... and the exchange sync gives an error MSG 85020006...
someone please help me.... its really very frustrating not being able to connect to the net when connected via USB/ AS...
thank u
nahguam said:
I have a similar problem. I'm not sure if it's the same or not. Help would be appreciated...
When my Hermes is roaming everything in hunky-dory, GPRS, HSDPA, Push-Email... all is running smooth. BUT...
When I Activesync (I have "Allow wireless connection on device when connected to the desktop" unchecked - as advised in this thread), the hermes initially drops any wireless connections, then, instead of using the PC's broadband (as per WM5 & Activesync 4.2) to sync with Exchange it tries to dial up to GPRS again. Sync ultimately fails with error code 85020006. This webpage says the problem is "The Connection Manager could not find a path to the destination.
- OR -
Unable to connect. Verify your dialup or proxy settings are correct, and try again"
This is annoying as I have SPB Insight installed which I want to use the PC's connection to update all the channels, as well as sync with Exchange.
EDIT: I tried this before among other things and it didn't work but now it seems to be working OK. The only thing I can think that has fixed it is changing "This computer is connected to:" The Internet
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This solved my problem....thank you so much!
Hi guys,
Having some trouble connecting my Orbit to the internet through wi-fi...
I set my desktop to share internet connection through wireless and have been surfing on my laptop via this for ages...
Now when I switch Wi-Fi on the orbit on, it finds the network, put my WEP key in and it connects... then when I go into IE and go to a page it says "Cannot connect with current connection settings. To change your connection settings click "settings"......."
When I click settings it just takes me to the page that says
"My Work Network
Add a new modem connection
Add a new vpn server connection
Set up my proxy server"
Can anyone help with what the heck I need to be doing to get the internet working?!?!
Cheers
GK
UPDATE:
Whilst I was typing the message (supposedly still connected through wi-fi to the internet) the Orbit beeped at me and message said
"Unable to obtain a server assigned IP address. Try again later or enter an IP address in Network Settings"
Could that be whats causing the problem and how can I fix it?
Cheers
M
Solved my own problem thanks to the BBC website...
What are the chances of this happening on the same night as I get my XDA and try to set up my wireless...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7149931.stm
Lmao, so is everything working now ?
Hi, Im new to this forum and to my XDA IIs which I bought on ebay. It's on windows 2003, and I have done a hard re-set as it froze first time I used it. I'm on O2 pay-as-you-go in the UK. I've tried all suggestions I can find online to get on the internet via wi-fi, but all I get is 'no modem at above number'.
I contacted o2 help, and was told that it's because it was originally a contract phone and wont connect to the internet on a pay-as-you-go sim. I'm sure there has to be a way around this (well I'm hoping so!) and would appreciate advise please.
donnadoop said:
Hi, Im new to this forum and to my XDA IIs which I bought on ebay. It's on windows 2003, and I have done a hard re-set as it froze first time I used it. I'm on O2 pay-as-you-go in the UK. I've tried all suggestions I can find online to get on the internet via wi-fi, but all I get is 'no modem at above number'.
I contacted o2 help, and was told that it's because it was originally a contract phone and wont connect to the internet on a pay-as-you-go sim. I'm sure there has to be a way around this (well I'm hoping so!) and would appreciate advise please.
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uhmmm, have you tried to start wifi via Wireless Manager? The wifi has absolutely nothing to do with pay as you go or with the SIM card for that matter. It is a different part of the device.
I feel silly now. I had been on the wireless manager many times and tried all different settings, but I thought I would try once more before I replied, and I don't know how or why but it's working now! Thanks!
woops, I'm back again! I had a look and it says GPRS is now connected, even though my wireless icon is open at the bottom - any ideas?
donnadoop said:
woops, I'm back again! I had a look and it says GPRS is now connected, even though my wireless icon is open at the bottom - any ideas?
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So, you are having issues with GPRS or with Wifi. They are two separate things.
are you attempting to connect via your O2 GPRS intenret, or connect to your wifi via the wifi connection.
it sounds like it may be trying to use grps over wifi.
When I go to the wireless manager theres buttons for GPRS, Bluetooth and WIFI.
The GPRS has a drop down menu which has these options:
mobile web GPRS
my connection 1
my connection 2
O2UK WAP GPRS
WAP network GPRS
WLAN has no drop down menu, and when I click it, it switches on or off.
When I was connected before, the wireless icon was open at the bottom of my screen, but then I noticed it said GPRS connection is in use. When I click on the wireless icon at the bottom of the screen, I get a page which says Wireless LAN manager, and there's a box with current configuration (SSID : Mode: BSSID: MAC: Tx Rate Channel ... etc) the boxes are all greyed, and have no information in them.
There's 3 options at the bottom of this page on my phone - 'main' : 'settings' : 'LEAP'. When I go to 'setting's, it has power save mode. In 'LEAP' it has SSID.....Authentication Type, with nothing in the columns below. There are options for 'New' : 'Modify' : 'Delete'
When I go to 'New' it has boxes for filling in SSID : User Name : Password : Domain. Authentication Type choice of Open System or EAP.
I tried using my SSID from my BThub, but I don't know where to find the information for username etc (I tried using my own name but even though I've put information in the field, it gives the message "user name is required' and I can't go any further.
I'm hoping I'm on the right track to getting on my Wi-Fi and hope I'm giving the correct information!
The GPRS seems to connect no problem now, but it's the wireless I'd like to use as the GPRS has cost me some of my credit.
Thanks guys!
donnadoop said:
When I go to the wireless manager theres buttons for GPRS, Bluetooth and WIFI.
The GPRS has a drop down menu which has these options:
mobile web GPRS
my connection 1
my connection 2
O2UK WAP GPRS
WAP network GPRS
WLAN has no drop down menu, and when I click it, it switches on or off.
When I was connected before, the wireless icon was open at the bottom of my screen, but then I noticed it said GPRS connection is in use. When I click on the wireless icon at the bottom of the screen, I get a page which says Wireless LAN manager, and there's a box with current configuration (SSID : Mode: BSSID: MAC: Tx Rate Channel ... etc) the boxes are all greyed, and have no information in them.
There's 3 options at the bottom of this page on my phone - 'main' : 'settings' : 'LEAP'. When I go to 'setting's, it has power save mode. In 'LEAP' it has SSID.....Authentication Type, with nothing in the columns below. There are options for 'New' : 'Modify' : 'Delete'
When I go to 'New' it has boxes for filling in SSID : User Name : Password : Domain. Authentication Type choice of Open System or EAP.
I tried using my SSID from my BThub, but I don't know where to find the information for username etc (I tried using my own name but even though I've put information in the field, it gives the message "user name is required' and I can't go any further.
I'm hoping I'm on the right track to getting on my Wi-Fi and hope I'm giving the correct information!
The GPRS seems to connect no problem now, but it's the wireless I'd like to use as the GPRS has cost me some of my credit.
Thanks guys!
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Switch off the GPRS connection and then turn on the Wifi. If it finds a network, it will give you a prompt saying that it found x and y wireless networks. Select one and if it is protected, it will prompt you for the network key. It should not try to connect to GPRS if your wifi is on... Having said that, you have to turn wifi on and establish a connection first before attempting to use any app that pulls data from the internet. The PPC is configured so that it will automatically turn on GPRS if it doesn't have any other way available to pull the data (and it will not turn on wifi by default either). Good luck.
Thanks
Its been a while, but I just popped back to say thanks! I managed to figure out how to use GPRS when on the move and wifi when Im at home thanks to you guys! Looking at it now - 3 months later.... it all seems pretty obvious, but you helped me when I didn't have a clue. Im now a dedicated fan of the XDA iis and have successfully flashed mine to win 6.5, and have bought one for me darling other half, and a graphite for my daughter . Thanks again xx