I just upgraded from a SPV m1000 (Himalaya) to a SPV m2000 (Blue Angel). I know I'm a little late to upgrade but I just thought I would share what I thought of it:
PROS
- Navigation pad - it's a lot better, with the m1000 I kept hitting the wrong direction because it was small and circular. The 4 buttons above the navigation make one-hand operation more possible.
- Bluetooth: It now comes with Widcomm BT as standard so you can send files and join a BT network. I tried getting the Widcomm stack to work on the m1000 but I couldn't get activesync to work. On the old MS BT stack activesync kept failing for some unknown reason, on the m2000 it works fine.
- Built-in Wifi: A lot more convenient than having to constantly swap SD cards. Also I suspect using the Socket BT driver pushed the m1000 too near the 32 process limit so Skype's VoIP didn't work properly. While voice quality on Skype on the m2000 isn't perfect the other person is at least comprehensible.
- 43MB flash RAM: The m1000 only had 14MB which was probably enough. It only occured to me recently to store all my documents in this area to avoid data loss if the main RAM was wiped.
- Slide down keyboard: Should make writing emails faster, though I'm still getting used to it.
- Higher capacity battery: gets you through the day. Sometimes I would be out of juice by the end of the day on the m1000.
- MMS is built into the email application.
- Pocket Internet Explorer now renders pages without horizontal scrolling which reduces the need for alternative browsers like NetFront.
- Screen Rotation: While there was quite a good utility for screen rotation available on these forums for PPC 2003, the one in SE is faster, the apps re-render better and the navigation pad is also rotated.
- The audio socket is on the top of the device, though there is an awkward rubber "stopper".
CONS
- It's slightly bigger and heavier but you get used to it.
- The email application takes a little longer to load which can be annoying when you want to quickly see the last couple of SMSes.
- The power button is on the right hand side which is a little more awkward, though it does stop you from accidently pressing it when you shove the device into your pocket.
- The volumn slider isn't as easy to use - it's nearly flush with the surface.
- Case: Isn't very good - you have to take the device out to use it. The m1000 case fits the m2000 but you will still have to take it out to use the slide down keyboard.
- Headphones: Has only one button to answer calls instead of answer and reject buttons on the m1000.
OTHER INFO
m1000 PPCTechs Sync n' Charge cable should work with m2000 though you will need to get a new audio adapater if you want to use 3.5mm headphones.
Thanks for your comparison,
Was thinking about upgrading my M1000, but I think I'll wait for the SPV 3G to come out unless it's going to be ages! I do love the M2000 though, my mate has it and he loves having a better phone than me...
I upgraded from the M1000 to the M2000 about a month or two ago, and im very happy, there are a few "CONS" as with any device you buy, but i think the "PROS" totally see over this and make it a much better PPC than the M1000....
Markh - just one thing, about the headphones(handsfree) only having one button as apposed to the M1000 having two, It actually is a whole lot better in my view, cos now you dont havr to look at which button you pressing to pick it up, there is now one button to "pick up" and the same button to "put down".... no more worries about pushing the red one when u want to pick up...
Pros:
Keyboard
Wi-fi
Looks better
Specs look better on paper
Cons:
Battery is appauling
Appaulingly slow and unstable
Rarely works for calls (in a variety of ways ie you won't even notice it's crashed as it looks fine and the PPC functions work, but you get home at the end of the day and have tonnes of messages from people saying your phone's turned off / the no sound (no connection) problem experienced by 77% of users.)
SPB Pocketplus (the only 3rd party app I really used) makes a bad phone perform worse
Most of the extra features make it crash (ie. the screen rotate)
Almost anything makes media player skip as the phone can't handle it
Screen has a yellow hue
Crappy headphone adapter
Getting your sim out is a b!tch
Volume slider is awkward
IR port is on the side so IR keyboards won't work (even if you rotate the screen) so I need to buy an expensive BT one
Disabled BT in 'beam' option: although BT 3900 fixes this for file manager, the pictures app suffers. You can no longer choose the picture to beam by looking for the thumbnail.
Hard Resets at random
Soft resets at random
Related
THE PDA2K is a TERRIBLE MACHINE!
SSSoo many bugs....
1) BLUETOOTH JUNK
Bluetooth (after their so called patch), still headset causes it to turn on repeatedly draining your battery in no time. So unless you are connected to a powersupply, the bluetooth headset is useless cause I have to turn off the bluetooth anyway (if I want battery). Yes, I know it's been discussed many times, it still amazes me everyday.
2) ALBUM MOVIE PLAYER DOESN'T WORK AFTER BLUETOOTH PATCH
yep, I've made many tests, clean hardreset machine with no bt patch = I can record video and playback video (MP4) with no problem. Now after installing the BT patch, clicking on the ALBUM app or clicking on PREVIEW after fliming a video in mp4 will freeze the machine for about 5 seconds, and then soft reset it automatically. I've hard reseted twice to check and it's obvious the BT patch ruins it. Mysteriously, it sometimes does work even after the patch. I just wanted to show off my machine today and got laughed at (with good reason!) by a P900 user.
3) CASE IS USELESS
The case that comes with the machine is a joke, it pressed all the buttons even if you almost don't touch the case. They should have left alittle padding. Locking the keys is a must.
4) MORE BLUETOOTH ISSUES
I get repeatable bizzare errors of "memory problems" with bluetooth, and I need to reset the machine (ain't it great?). I also got twice a message about my BT expired.. LMAO. more resets. I actually thing about mapping one of the primary front keys to do a soft-reset.
5) BUILT-IN FAX SOFTWARE IS RUBBISH
A friend of mine tried it numerous times with no success. At clubimate they told him it doesn't work properly. (So why the hell did they put it there?)
6) POWER BUTTON TOO NEAR THE STYLUS
Happened to me several times that when I try to pull out the stylus, it pressed the power button and poweroff the machine. (bad human engineering here)
7) MORE BLUETOOTH MANIA
Amazingly the BT Headset (I tried 3 different models) cannot function for voice recognition, recording or hearing prompts. Seems the driver doesn't support it. If it did, the voice recognition with my Logitech new headset could have been better. Car BT hands-free also don't work for anything else than strictly during a conversation. I almost purchased a Motoroal Handfree BT Car set because I thought I could also use to hear navigation with my GPS Navigation software. I can't gear prompts cause again, it only functions during the conversation, lously.
8) TERRIBLE MICROPHONE DURING CONVERSATION
I've had several people complaining about not hearing me at all while I use the PDA2K directly (no BT headset). I have to should and hold the machine funny close to my mouth. Oh, and setting the microphone AGC gain control to Enable, does NOTHING for increasing microphone sensitivity, it only works for voice recording/notes taking.
9) OK, SO AT LEAST SET THE MICROPHONE AGC ENABLE FOR NOTES TAKING RIGHT? WRONG!
For taking voice notes or recording conversation, setting the microphone to AGC is a must or else you will hear almost nothing. So you Enable it out of no choice... But OOPS.. Now you find out the Voice Recognition software (Both Microsoft Voice Command or Fonix Voice Central) will disable it back, voice recognition software don't work well with the AGC gain enable. So.. you have to choose here Notes taking? Or voice recognition?
I have the machine just about two weeks and already got tired of it. It is a game, it's not a professional machine that you can actually work flawlessly with. Like a delicate toy, far from being a sturdy trusted pocket pc. Don't get me wrong, I'm a gadget freak, and I am willing to 'eat it up and shut up' but this is just to much. I've had a Cassiopeia E-125 for 4 years !!!! And Wwoooff.. ONLY now I can truly appreciate the Casio, 4 years and worked perfectly even though I dropped it many times, slept on it once, hit it by mistake and so on. Never failed me, and I didn't even knew what the Reset button looked like!
I'm truly disappointed... You get many features, but you pay the price of total instability and absolutly horrible amature like support from the HTC guys. No matter how many bugs other can find on iPaqs such as the 6315, I doubt it can reach to the extent this machine has.
:evil: :x :roll: :?
you are the weakest link...
goodbye
Well, since 3 of your 9 are bluetooth and 1 is the case, I think that says good things for the phone that you couldn't come up with any more...
I have the Sprint PPC-6601, which is basically the same phone with no wifi, but with fast 'vision' internet access...
I notice the bluetooth issues too. I have the zenphone profilier, and only turn bluetooth on when I am actually using it, in the car, for instance...
Other than that, I haven't had your issues. Power button seems fine to me. Callers report hearing me loud and clear, and I can hear them extremely well (it's the first phone I've had that can be made 'too' loud...)
Fax/Album/Recording. Haven't tried the fax. I use Resco for Album and recording, as the internal apps are really just 'lite' programs.
For my money, this is a great phone, and I'm very happy. Will be 100% when the get bluetooth working properly..
- Regards,
Ben
ben1000 said:
Well, since 3 of your 9 are bluetooth and 1 is the case, I think that says good things for the phone that you couldn't come up with any more...
I have the Sprint PPC-6601, which is basically the same phone with no wifi, but with fast 'vision' internet access...
I notice the bluetooth issues too. I have the zenphone profilier, and only turn bluetooth on when I am actually using it, in the car, for instance...
Other than that, I haven't had your issues. Power button seems fine to me. Callers report hearing me loud and clear, and I can hear them extremely well (it's the first phone I've had that can be made 'too' loud...)
Fax/Album/Recording. Haven't tried the fax. I use Resco for Album and recording, as the internal apps are really just 'lite' programs.
For my money, this is a great phone, and I'm very happy. Will be 100% when the get bluetooth working properly..
- Regards,
Ben
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Actually, I found dozens of similar complaints at the clubimate forums (as well as here) In particular, the so many BT complaints, microphone. I've used WINCE ever since it was version 2 16-gray scal on an old casio with 8mb of ram (gee that's history), I just wish HTC could have made a good job of actually making all the features work. The potential is super, and I guess (and hope) that most of the bug can easily be fixed with a decent programmatical procedures. You'll see dozens of complaints at the clubimate forums, lots of disappointed customers. Only HTCs fault for not making enough QA (or some say none)
To use the fax you have to have it enabled by your mobile provider (if they provide it at all)
You sound frustrated....sell it now and move on... Oh thats right there is NOTHING else like it out there.
When they get the bluetooth issues solved (and Im sure they will) you can then rebuy it.
BlueTooth is going to stuck until Microsoft can integrate a decent stack into the OS. It shouldn't be the job of the phone manufacturer to have to do that.
But it should be their job to properly QA it prior to selling it to their customer base.
Hi
I see all your issues and a load more. This device has the capability to be excellent. I hope that they fix the bugs promptly, and that the manufacturers take the bug fixes, and release appropriate updates shortly after.
Currently, O2 are sending out standard replies to all queries regarding this device (O2 XDA IIs) basically they say 'if you're not happy, send it back for a refund'. This is exactly the same as I got when I phoned them.
They keep offering to replace it, but that will not help to solve a software issue!
They did (eventually) fix most of the issues on the XDA II (although bluetooth still does not work correctly on that device either). I hope that the IIs gets the same treatment (with working bluetooth as well!)
Perhaps we should just ignore new releases, run 1 release behind... When the XDA 4 comes out, buy the 3, buy the 4 when they ship the 5 !!
We, the consumer are partly responsible for the manufacturers rushing products to market well before they are ready I suppose.
I checked out the reviews of the XDA IIs (and its friends) before I bought it, they did not have a bad word to say about it. All I can think is that the reviewers, either A) never even clapped eyes on the device, or B) never used it in anger, or C) were only allowed to review it if they said nice things about it. If I had seen a review that listed all the problems, then I would have waited a while --> and probably bought the Motorola MPx instead (which is probably just as bad, and ships with a *stupid* 32MB memory!!)
Nigel
I wish more companies were like Nebula-Electronics.com They released a freeview card 2 years ago, and have been improving upon the software ever since and offering it to customers for free. Their releases are spot on, they respond to bug reports, and they *beta* test the software with end users before they actually release the new version.
The nebula is is the best bit of software/hardware that I have ever bought... Unfortunately, most companies are not like nebula and simply move onto new hardware products without first having fixed the issues in old products.
Nigel
I bought a PDA2k from eXpansys USA, and was NOT able to repro the problem with the video camera. I was able to take video and play it back without any problems at all.
Perhaps you have a truly defective unit. Can you try returning it under warranty?
When the MPX finally ships, (which must be soon as Motorola have finally officially announced it last week and said it will be available to Asian markets this month and Europe Q1 2005) I think we're really going to see what a buggy device can be. I can't see that it's possible to run any software concurrently with wifi or bluetooth with only 32Mb of RAM and wm2003se taking up more than a third of that from bootup.
Still, the form factor is the appeal of the MPX and I can't wait to get one.
I have had my SX66 since Wednesday. Here are the issues I have found, and if anyone has any suggestions, PLEASE let me know!
1. Bluetooth is really bad. Scratchy, drop connections, says signal is low even when headset (Jabra 250) is right next to the unit. (I have the O2 3500 stack installed)
2. Bluetooth response time for headset answer button is SLOW, as is sending the data to the headset when a call comes in and is answered by headset.
3. When Bluetooth is ON, the phone will turn the display ON at random intervals, killing the battery if the backlight is left in the on mode.
4. WiFi is horrible, drops connections constantly, even in same room with router (Linksys w/5db antennas atached). Also, it will NOT work with a network unless the SSID s broadcast - so much for security!
5. The phone features are SO vastly different than regular phones, it makes you wonder if it is working. My unit will NOT echo the DTMF into the headset (which every phone I have ever owned did) to confirm pressing (for VM retirval, etc.). Very confusing.
6. Answer after x rings is a joke. I have it set to 2 rings, and it will never answer automatically headset or not...what's the point?
I hope someone out there can help, otherwise, I may have to put this baby on eBay...because it really sucks at this point!
Tom
Update
Well, I downloaded the O2 update, and that seems to have made a difference in the STABILITY of the BT connection; the unit did not drop my headset at all during the day; further the "response" of the SX66 to a command from the headset seems faster.
Also, since I installed this update, I have NOT seen the screen turn on...perhaps this helped that problem...?
:evil: The BT is STILL scratchy/noisy, but not as bad...perhaps the next round will help...?
I will keep you posted!
I have/had the same issues you are describing. The bluetooth patch 3500-124 fixed almost all my BT issues except the extremely low signal. I tried the HS810, HS820 and the Jabra 250. All were horrible. I even went as far as installing the latest i-mate pda2k ROM 1.22.00 wwe on my sx66. I finally took the advice of a poster on another forum (thanks mswlogo) and purchased a sony hbh-300. So far it has been great. It handles the low signal like a champ and doesnt offer any static or popping.
Need a friggin repeater!
Someone should make a BT repeater...or maybe I should try one of those internal antennas..."as seen on tv!"
Having just taken delivery of an XDA IIs on Tuesday of last week, I was wondering if other users of this handset (or its variations) had any advice on how to get the most out of it in terms of useful apps, upgrades etc.
As a MS SmartPhone user for over two years I'm not completely clueless when it comes to the device or its operation, but there seems to be a dearth of information about these PPC devices elsewhere. I'd appreciate any pointers and tips.
Thanks in advance.
Get the Bluetooth patch then enjoy.
Can I apply the Asia BT Patch for the O2 XDA IIs to a UK XDA IIs, without any sideeffects?
O2 XDA IIs Bluetooth Patch?
Can someone please post a link to the 02 XDA IIs bluetooth patch?
Cheers
I've got 2 bluetooth patches, one is the essential one to bring you up to build 3500, the other is the one released at CES to give us 2 new bluetooth profiles.
both are available here[/url]
Thanks for that, have they made much of a difference for you?
The build 3500 patch made a phenominal difference to the build1900 that my XDA2s came with. bluetooth is stable, works, doesnt crash. fantastic.
I've installed the other one since then, it doesnt stop any of the other stuff working, but gives you new profiles for a stereo headset when playing music, and a bluetooth keyboard, neither of which I have, but reports on HowardsForums.com suggest that other people are getting on great with this.
I have been able to activate a semi-voice dial from my bt headset since I've had both patches (dont know if second one is essential or not - didnt try before I had it), as long as your voice dial software is running, you have to wakeup the headset by pressing the call button for a period of time longer than a single press but less than turning it off, you get white noise, at this point you can send voice commands to your XDA, but the feedback still comes out of the XDA speaker. it's a send only. Once the call is dialling though the ringing comes through to headset as normal.
This is a step in the right direction in my opinion!
What voice dial software are you using ?
Does anyone know how I can get hold of an O2 patch for fixing the poor mic performance when using the speaker?
@raiderz
I'm using Fonix Voice Dial, which came free on a disk from o2, apparently their new and improved Voice Central is much better (according to other forum users). Check out www.fonix.com
@mhanbury
Can't help with a speaker issue, havent tried speaker phone myself yet, I'm more of a headset person.
I think other users may have had the mic problem, not sure if it was hard/soft ware in the end. Several people have had it fixed now. I was reading about it on HowardForums, I've seen you there too, so it might be worth doing a search for microphone issue and seeing what comes up.
Works a treat, many many thanks!
XDA2s - Blackberry ?
Does anyone know if Blackberry is available on the XDA2s ?
- Activate the button lock or it will do all kinds of wierd stuff in your pocket.
- Check out clear type and see if you like it.
- Go to permanent save and make sure your contacts and calendar is stored permanently. With an XDA you NEVER know when it will do a major reset.
- Assign a button to flip the screen to make it easier browsing the web.
- Chose corporate during install to avoid the slow O2 active interface (that is if you don't like it)
- Get a fix for the minimize/closing of programs, like pocket plus.
- Take frequent backups to the PC
- Be carefull not to break the connector locking pins on the charger interface.
- Put the back light while on battery to the lowest setting. It drains your battery.
- Dont leave wifi on, it drains the battery.
- Get a better case for it. It's a pain having to get it out of the case to answer a call.
What case did you go for?
Do you have a link for it?
Blueangel Vs. Magician
I am very lazy when it comes to writing or posting on this forum but finaly I decided to do it because I lost too much money on selling jam and getting Blue Angel.
I bought JAM after selling my trusted Imate (XDA II). JAM looks very smart and lite weight to carry around. But It has following deficiencies:
1. Its singal reception is not good as I live in an area where 50% singal comes and I had tried many sets before but no problem with Nokia or my previous imate. But with this phone I had to go outside so that other party could listen to me. The main reason for selling this phone was its signal strength which is not up to the mark.
2. The second is its voice quality. Although I tired various radio and rom upgrades to update its phone voice quality but I succeeded marginaly. Although its speaker phone is very good and loud. You can hear mp3 songs play through its speaker better than blueangle becuase they are loud.
3. The screen size is reduce so you need very good eyes. This means you can not run Internet Exploere is small size text font becase it gets very small to read. Also I usually manged to click some thing with my finger printer with out removing styles but this is definitely not the case with JAM as icons get smaller you may end up clicking other objects, You have to do this with stylus. This is not the case with Blueagel who has a wide screen. If you read books on it small screen does soar your eyes.
4. Its onscreen keyboard is also small and it is by default set to big keys which mean that you don't have number row on the top. But if you set it to small keys then you will again find trouble in typing text because you need to be very accurate with stylus.
5. Its stylus is by far very low quality and lite weight and very small, difficult to hold in your hand. If you are custom to imate XDA II stylus you will find it very cheap and hard to get hold on.
6. Memory of JAM get quickly filled in, you need to mange it more cautiously. For example my favourite program like MS Voice COmmand 1.5 run only in memory so you can not move it to Storage Card. I tried to move some DLL and ringtones to Storage Card but it again does not make much of a difference.
7. No WIFI. If you have WIFI at home or in office you should not buy JAM.
8. JAM camera sucks. Tried various methods to improve its quality and adjusting its sharpness and brightness. Little imporvments but definitely not the quality of 1.3 megapixel.
BlueANgel
1. Its extra weight causes me problem.
2. I have not used its slide out keybard, Because on-screen keyboard is more easier to type and give you suggestions also. HTC could have reduced its weight by removing slide out keybard.
3. Its 4 buttons below screen are excellent. You can just simple press the OK button in response to Dialog or when you want to close application window. I have configured one of the button to switch it to landscape mode.
4. Media Player 9 is included not 10. This is shame.
5. I like the approach of JAM using simple USB cable as its provides both functionality (charging and cradle). It is also easy to carry. The imate cradle is definitley can not be tugged along. You will need to buy sync + charge cable from brando or other store for travelling purpose.
6. My bluetooth headset Motorola HS 850 works excellent with Blueangle. It has 8 hours of talk time and when you close its boom its automatically switch off, when call arrives you open its boom and viola you are connected with in seconds. You can use it for week without charging.
7. I have cooked my own extended rom and have removed the arabic stuff. I have included latest caller ID and Smart Dialer as it came with JAM by default.
8. WIFI is excellent, althought its signal strength indicator has some flaw becuae it never exceeds more than 50% even if you are one inch away from your wifi access point. But it does not matter I can room in my office and home and I always get good wifi transfer speed. Simple no comparison with Bluetooth as you can create a share folder on your pc and access it on your Blueangle. Also VNC, Remote desktop connectivity and internet speed are all very good.
9. Its battery backup and standby is also better than JAM. It give me 2 to 3 days of backup including wifi browsing and Bluetooth headset connectivity.
10. I have shot some videos with pda2k and they record and run quite smoothly on my mmc card. This is suprise as my previous imate does not record them so smooth, their were pauses in movies. I am using the same mmc card on both devices.
FYI:
PLEASE DON'T RELAY ON FORUMS THEY GIVE YOU INFORMATION BUT THEY CANNOT SUBSITITUE REAL DEVICE EXPERIENCE. I LOST AROUND 120$ BECAUSE OF IT. (THAT IS SOLD JAM AND BOUGHT PDA2K)
Important Suggestion about PDA2k (Blueangel)
Don't upgrade to any ROM unless you have problems. I have stick mine to latest pda2k ROM upgrade avilable from clubimate. I tried to upgrade my radio to 1.08 and found out that after connecting with bluetooth headset, Wirless lan does not turn on. I switched back to radio 1.06 and everything is working fine again.
Asim A. Ghafoor
hi
forum.xda-developers.com
Hi I'm new to the site, i had read a lot post about upgrading roms from different companys, i read people describe how good the a2dp quilty is, but the problems comes, i first upgraded the rom to T-Mobile , then i found there are a high pitch nosie, at first, i though it was just my earphone, after i changed it, it still the same, then i upgrade to the QTEK rom, the nosie still comes, the nosie comes as the singer start to sing!!! it makes my so dizzy, i had try to link my BT to my PC, but they sound much different! no nosie plus clearer sound!
the second problem is that when a phone call-in, the ringtone goes via BT rather than built-in speaker???
the third problem is if you set ur BT as both hands free/set and wireless stero, during a connected phone call, if you press any button on the dial pad, all the sound will gone, but the phone is still connected, i found this problem when i using my voice mail?!
also after i update to the non-O2 rom, my phone is no longer accept any MMS, i already config all the setting from O2, is just that i don't have my MMS acount appear on my mail box. i also try the .cab setting file too!
My A2DP BT is i-Tech S35
ROM Version: 1.30.77WWE (QTEK)
Radio Version: 1.09.00 (QTEK)
ExtROM Version: 1.13.188 WWE (O2)
Many Thanks!!!
Was it just me than having this problem???
- I've not the first problem.
- I've the second problem
- I never experienced third problem
:wink:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=46540
Click on the above link , download the file and run it on your phone, do not alter any of the options, just click next on everything it will fix your MMS problem
thx a ur advice coff... but it still doesn't work, plus i starting to think that the nosie might cause by my s35, due to the campasility.. (sorry can't spell)
Hi MicmiC901,
Yes, it probably is something "locally" with your phone/headset/area/etc, since I also have same experience as asci, meaning;
1. NO, don't have that problem
2. YES, I have same issue (to me this is actually OK, since when headset is connected, I WANT it to only ring in the headset)
3. NO, never experienced this problem
I use the latest Qtek ROM with AKU2 and A2DP, but have never experienced that high-frequent-noise-issue you mention with any other of the A2DP ROMs on my JasJar (TMobile Germany ROM, a custom-ROM from the forums).
so RonnyGydar, which bt headset u using @ the moment? i just try with my friends logitech bt headphone, it get worse than my i.tech, sound get Stuttering , so i think i better change a new bt, would u recommand moto ht-820?
Hi MicmiC901,
Sorry the veeery slow response...but now I have even one more BT Stereo headset...so then you get the "bonus" of even more info in my reply!
I have 3 BT Stereo Headsets, and here is a short summary of experience of them all.
HP BT Stereo Headphones (same HW as the Logitech ones as I understand).
Sound is good, clear, OK bass. Nothing exceptional, but I was very pleased with them. Sound could be a bit higher at the highest volume...if you plan to use then in noisy environments...but not really an issue...since they are quite loud.
Motorola HS820
Soundwise (clarity and bass) very simmilar to the HP ones...can't point my finger on any differences. But they seem actually a little less loud than the HP ones...so with these I struggeled to hear Podcasts when I sat on a bus going through tunnels. The HP headphones are slightly louder, I think.
Bonus of these are the excellent batterylife and miniUSB plug...plus the HP ones do not have a microphone, so the HP ones are only for music. So I would easily chose the Motorola's before the HP headphones.
One minus for me with the Motorola's are that they hurt my ears after a couple of hours of use. ...that at lack of "powerfull" bass, got me to look at the i-Tech BluePRO's...
i-Tech BluePRO
These have very good bass (and they sure look like they should have it too...pretty big earmufflers...with these, you look like you are working at a construction site or something, but the clarity of the sound is actually worse than HP and Motorola...they sound a bit fuzzy.
...but I still use these all the time...mainly for two reasons. One is the excellent bass (I like to listen to techno and trance...and then bass is important, the other is that they isolate outside sounds (due to the enormous padding), so I can have the sound as low as I prefer...and STILL hear all my music without disturbance from other sounds in the environment (like sitting on the bus in a tunnel, or at a noise Gym).
It also seems that there is quite a bit difference in how the different manufacturers implement BT profiles.
My Motorola and i-Tech BluePRO have problems with "Pause/Resume"-button on headset when used with my JasJar (Pause works, but not resume...or opposite...not sure which it was, dont have the headsets with me today)...but the HP ones does not (I tested them a couple of times, and the HP headphones worked all the time)!?
Re-connection after a time without use seems also to vary a bit. The Motorola I can turn off/on the headset, and they reconnect automatically to my JasJar. The i-Tech BluePRO's I must choose re-connect in "Bluetooth settings" on my JasJar every time I want to use them.
The "famous" "lag-issue" everybody experiences I experience with all my headphones in some situations...and it does not seem any better or worse among the headsets. It seems to also be affected by general radio disturbance, since I have a lot of problems with lag at work, but no problems at all at the Gym (which is good for me...since that is the place I am most happy with having my wireless headphones), and some issues at home.
Hope this was of any help!
actually i have the problem micmic is talking about.. it happened when i upgraded my wiz to a newer rom to get the a2dp function. eventually i do not have a bt.stereo -headset yet.. (coming in about 2 weeks) but i have the issues with the sound. it's almost like a bad bitrate or something? ..wierd it is since i remains even if i downgrade my rom. =/
Hi epluribus and MicmiC901,
Is the "stuttering" you both mentioning the same as I call "occational lag"?
IF it is...it you should certainly not have it when you do the following test;
1. Reset your JasJar/Universal (to clean memmory completely)
2. Started listening to music over headset with...
3. The Universal lying on the desk in front of you completely still 50cm from your face
4. You sitting completely still
5. No WiFi on close to you.
...this test is completely overkill...but if it STILL stutters in that "controlled scenario"...well then it must be something different with your Universal or headset HW. Cause I can walk around with my JasJar (also in areas I know there are 5-6 WiFi connections active...like my appartment), and even put the JasJar on the table and walk 5-10 meters away from it...and have no or at least nothing more than an "occational stutter"/"lag".
It seems to be two major factors affecting this "stuttering"/"lag" (from my experiences at least...I have used A2DP a lot with my Universal...couple of hours every day);
1. Universal struggling outputting(RAM/CPU...or both!?)
One help here is to apply the registry "A2DP priority" fix (found it in the forums here).
Another is to close all programs before using it (I usually do not do this...I usually only do it in hindsight when I get the problem).
2. Signal between Universal and headset struggling (obstructions between Universal and headset, WiFi nearby, so forth)
I for example get this problem if I put my Universal in my trouser pocket (I know, I must have big pockets, and walk around, I get stuttering/lag occationally. If I then take it out, and hold it in my hand farily still when I walk...no stuttering. I have found, that when I walk, it is OK to have it in my backpack/rugsack...then for some reason it very rearly stutters...so I usually do that.
But when I walk of the bus at work, and walk into the "campus" of my workplace, which is cramped with radiotransmitters (is norways largest Telecom company)...I get a lot of stuttering, and need to take it out of backpack, and hold it in my hand, at it gets a lot better.
In short: A2DP with the Universal works, but is sensitive to disturbance/obstructions/moving around...and to make it worse, it is also sometimes dependant of the Universal itself struggling with CPU/RAM.
I have BTW had the exact same problems before with Qtek2020 and Qtek9090 (which I got hold of some "A2DP patches", when I had those devices). ...but I really had a LOT more stuttering with those two...so much so, that I never used A2DP with them on a daily basis.
...so it can seem that HTC is getting slightly better on each new device...?
Hope this info can be of some use!
...but it might not...if my assumption at the beginning here is wrong, and your "stuttering"-issue is something completely different than the "lag"-issue I talk about!?