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I've had two contracts with orange for 10 years and now am thinking of switching to O2 to get a deal on two xda11s. (orange won't match it)
Deal is I sign up for two 02 200 contracts and I get 2 XDA11s for £50 each.
3 questions:
1/ Is there anything to stop me keeping one and selling the other one on ebay?
2/ Would will it be worth getting it unlocked first and
3/ if I do (via an internet site etc) would it raise any red flags with o2.
thanks,
As long as you pay your contract you wont get a problem. You dont actually own the phone until your contractual obligations are fulfilled so you would need to pay a full years subscriptions before you actually owned the phone, that would be 12 monthly payments of your chosen tariff. Having said that I dont see any problem unless you default on payment, in which case your phone would probably be blocked once thay had failed to collect.
Yes it would be more saleable if it was unlocked to all networks.
Getting it unlocked on the internet is not carried out by O2 as far as I know so I dont see any flags being raised.
i dont see how you are going to make any money?
contract cost =360
phone cost= 50
P&p inc ins= 15
ebay and paypal fees abt =15
total cost= 440
so you need to sell the blue angle for more than £440
why would someone shell out £440 in one go when they can pay it off and get a contract with free minutes for as little as £100 plus £30 a month. thats a total cost £460 i dont think anyone is going to go for it mate.
robboy, you arent taking into account that he needs 2 contracts, and that he will get all the free calls etc that come with his plan.
thanks for your replies. looks like it might be doable. And yes, I do need to sign up for two contracts anyway though I can use an unlocked phone on the second one and flog the second XDA.
So I guess £30 or so on ebay fees and P+P, £50 on handset...I have a choice of getting either the XDAIIs or XDAIIi -- any thoughts on which is more desirable/marketable?
I understand the IIi has a faster processor but I'm sure I read somewhere that video performance was better on on the IIs (and it's slightly smaller).
Depends on your target market. The XDAIIi is superior hardware wise, but has no 850 band for North America (if you would consider selling to NA for a possibly higher price) and no slide out keyboard.
Xda IIs
Hey fellas,
I can see his point of not having to upkeep two Pocket pc's.
Right now I have my BA and five other Pocket PC to keep charged up and sync with lastet contacts even when they are not being used all the time I use them to beta test software one different proceesors. It's like taking care of a Tomagotchi or a furby. Anyways, you need to consider that someone in another country could reflash it, unlock it and sign it on with a carrier. Also consider with some of the stripped down Blue Angel models without the WIFI or the camera, I'm certain someone would pay good money to have one fully loaded blue angel.
Hi all
I've been using a pda for the past four years, currently use HP IPAQ 5550 with bluetooth and wifi etc. Separately I've got a Orange 3G phone. I am tempted to go for the Blue Angel with the keyboard, sold in the UK on O2 and T-Mobile, so that I've got a connected device, without having to apir the phone with the pda.
I understand the devices are the same, so is O2 any better than T-Mobile in terms of mobile data, gprs, etc? Or in terms of support? Restrictionjs re internet, off- walled garden browsing? Or in terms of upgrading to WM2005? I know that T-Mobile will eventually offer affordable data bunddles under the web'n'walk concept (in september), which may attract me to TMob.
Also, does any of the network prevent you from downloading additional softwares, such as avantgo, pocket informant, etc? I read that the sim lock -on orange pda devices?- prevented downloads of softwares by so-called non-approved third parties.
Is there anything I should know before choosing one or the other networks?
Thanks for your help.
there isnt much difference within the different providers of a blue angel. they are the same apart from there networks minor tweeks, software etc. the o2 rom is****, i not sure about the orange or t-mobile one tho....
Go with whoever is cheapest
Just buy whoever is cheapest overall for you. Coverage across the UK is roughly the same (ie whoever you get it will work everywhere *but* your house ) and the phones are the same too. T-Mobile doesn't install a lot of crap, but I highly recommend upgrading the ROM anyway (although it takes a while to get your head around it, if you're as retarded as me). If it goes to hell you can put the old ROM back again.
I *have* read bad things about O2 on these boards; I got hit with the noise problem (have a search for it), but after my 7 days courier return (still in my 28 days store return). I phoned them up, told them what was wrong and that the nearest T-Mobile store was 50 miles away, and they dispatched a courier anyway. O2 told the guy who had the same problem as me that he dropped it and charged him 150+ quid to get it fixed. That's a load of rubbish, and I bet they know it too.
All mobile phone operators are greedy, but only some of them are charlatans as well.
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
Personally, I prefer Orange because at least you can talk to a real human being easily. T-Mobile make it difficult, but I'd rather save £170
HTH
Chris
Going to get the O2 XDA 2i tomorrow morning at O2 shop....hopefully can get it at £60 with £35 12 months contract. The cheapest I saw on internet is £69.90 with £35 12 months contract.
Will anyone of you feeling regret after you bought the XDA 2i?
The XDA IIi appears to be a better specced machine all round; with less chance of a keyboard to get loose...
If I'd known of that deal (I bought my phone online, but the O2 store didn't work and the other dealers like Carphone Warehouse didn't stock it), I would have gone with that
Chris
Thanks
Lewisham and Joey
Thanks a lot.
Is there an application lock on any of these devices? I guess all of them are sim-locked anyway...
Cheers
The SIM lock can be removed with an application on these forums, so that also answers no to app lock
Chris
Re: Go with whoever is cheapest
Lewisham said:
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
HTH
Chris
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Hi, been lurking for some time now and about to buy one of these units.... quick question though - how long did you have to wait before you where allowed to drop your contract down ?
Cheers
T
Ok...so which one again ?
So let's say...an enterprising individual happened to acquire both an
Orange SPV M2000
AND AN
O2 XDA IIs
both in identical condition ( New ), which one would you recommend this individual keep, and which one should he sell. An inquiring individual would like to know.
Marcelo
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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Lewisham - did you see my question above.... I'm wondering if know of a get out clause that dont - ie take a 18mth high contract and your allowed to move down 6mths later ...
Cheers
Terran
No, you can't do that. Your contract is fixed length. All you can change is the price plan you pay.
At least, I don't think you can. I might well ask them tomorrow.
Chris
Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".
Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".
OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Terran
ccsnet said:
OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Yeah, you can drop to say a 15 quid a month price plan, but AFAIK, the length cannot be changed, because of the way they calculate the subsidy of the phone. But I will try tomorrow.
I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".
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Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris
Lewisham said:
Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris
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Not really, but I hear what you're saying. I wasn't thinking of "stylistics". Apparently their construction isn't all the same, the quality control in building them apparently hasn't been the same, and the software packages built-in, certainly aren't the same. I was talking about all those in the process of deciding. Not just because one is black and other is bronze-ish silver.
The build construction is the same; the hardware is identical, all that changes is the software preloaded.
But I would highly recommend installing 1.40, so the software is going to become whatever ROM you put on it, so it really does end up coming down to the hardware, and all that changes is the aesthetics.
Keep them both, and run them for a little bit. See if either develops the whistling screen.
Chris
Hi All, New member and new to PDA's....
I have just order my T-Mobile MDA III on an 18mth contract with 100 txt for £33/mth - 1/2 price line rental for 6mths?? They said that if I do not change tariff or upgrade, the 1/2 price line would be for life! after 18mths is complete.
They are out of stock at the minute, so will be waiting with bated breath!
hi i own a o2 xda IIs and im currently using it with cingular i started this acct with cingulars model the siemens sx66 but i love the black ones look and the camera, and wow o2 connect is the best anywas, i was wondering what if my unit was loast or stolen or broken, is there any type of insurance, mainly for repairs. or will the manufacture cover this unit even though im not where the unit was sold primarly.
thanks in advance
[email protected]
I was wondering the same thing, I am with T-Mobile the only thing that I know you could do is use your SX every once in a while so the IMEI stays in their system, they only do a scan every once few weeks or so. If your device gets lost still call it in. They will more than likely verify that you are using the Siemens phone at the time (Answer YES) pay the deductible unlock it and trade/sell it to replace your XDA.
Ok, I have something even better for you..
Listen to this:
"Mobile ProTech (www.mobileprotech.com) insured mobile devices (including cell phones) valued at less than $250 for $2 per year, devices worth ip to $400 for $60 per year, and devices priced up to $550 for $100 per year. The company even insures used phones purchased on ebay. The phone simply has to be activated and in working condition before you set up a policy."
Laptop Magazine November 2005 "Ask the Geek" pg 38
I'm considering getting a TP2 through Vodaphone.
Are Vodaphone good at making ROM updates available? I'm currently with T-Mobile using an MDA Vario III, they've only recently released the WM 6.1 update, so I'm worried that Vodaphone may not make the Wm6.5 update available for a long time for the TP2.
Also, does anyone have any opinions about Vodaphone's customer service. I'm looking at a business contract. In some ways it'd be a shame to leave T-Mobile as their business customer service has been so good (at least for me). Another reason I'm looking at Vodaphone is for the Access Gateway (femtocell). They have this available, whereas T-Mobile's version has not surfaced yet. I'm in a poor reception area for T-Mobile, but Vodaphones coverage maps indicate their coverage is better.
So far Vodaphone are ticking most of the boxes. Would I be jumping too soon? Maybe hang on for T-Mobile to make the TP2 available? I guess if the rumours of Vodaphone taking over T-Mobile business services come to fruition, it might be a while before it gets blended into the Vodaphone services and coverage.
I've been with Vodafone for ages and have never had a problem. Customer service very good in shops and over the phone. Trashed my new Xperia in MTB accident and was offered any phone replacement there and then because I had a business account (and insurance, of course). They don't offer the Xperia anymore so I had to wait for the TP2 to come available, which it did last week.
I was sorry to see the Xperia go but after a few days with the TP2 I'm delighted that I changed. Xperia screen was just a smidge too small for my eyesight.
Don't know about their ROM updates as I was using Itje's and smarberg's and downloading from this site every few days!
Thanks Pingu_3D, thats good to know.
Regards
Mike
I am with VF for about 10 years.
Customer Service is no problems at all.
ROM Upgrade - I wouldn't rate them at the top of the list. They take an awfully lot of time to pass on a ROM upgrade.
vinayaksupekar said:
I am with VF for about 10 years.
Customer Service is no problems at all.
ROM Upgrade - I wouldn't rate them at the top of the list. They take an awfully lot of time to pass on a ROM upgrade.
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Having had a Tytn, Tytn 2, Touch Pro and now TP2 from voda let me just say that their ROM upgrades are terrible. Not a single upgrade for the TP. They will upgrade to a newer ROM if you send the phone in for repair though!!
For the Tytn 2 and Tytn I think they did release a single ROM upgrade (from memory).
Also, I am on a consumer tarrif. Getting the Tytn, Tytn 2 and Touch Pro was never a problem (despite being "business" phones).
It was a nightmare getting the TP2 on a consumer tarrif. They lied to me (told me my SIM wouldnt work), etc, etc. Finally by complaining enough they shipped one to me and I'm happy again. But most people on consumer tarrifs are failing to get them! Have a read in the voda forum http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showforum=27
Andy
Thanks to you both. I've taken the plunge & ordered one today through Vodafone business, should get it Saturday. Here's hoping I won't need a ROM update any time soon!
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For those having issues about getting one on a consumer contract - well at least you managed to get VF to budge eventually!
I just cancelled my Orange contract because they refused to provide a TP2 on my consumer contract. I have been with them for 9 years and spend an average of £75 a month (never less than £40, some months as high as £150)
The woman said "you have an awful lot of loyalty.. are you sure you wouldn't like another phone?" but could not provide me a business phone on a consumer contract, nor could she switch me to a business contract because I'm an employee.
Totally daft. Their loss though!
As soon as I get my PAC code I'll be getting a Vodafone business contract - it seems they will give me a phone even though I'm an employee; and worst case I'll have to get my company to open a contract for me (they pay the bills anyway.) But from reading the VF site it seems I should have no issues getting a business contract in my name even though I'm an employee.
just call business "straight"(08080600802) and ask for Adam or Mike just say it was Evilasio that told you to call them but dont say anything about not having a business, because they record conversations, so if you say that they are obliged to say no, otherwise there will be no probs because they make commission on every business account they open.
I have a TP2 on the Vodafone network. What is the best 6.5 ROM that I can replace this bloody Vodafone build with?
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I have a TP2 on the Vodafone network. What is the best 6.5 ROM that I can replace this bloody Vodafone build with?
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There isn't one, but if you do a search you will find threads on removing the horrible theme
My PDA history:
1) Fujitsu Pocket LOOX
(I ran TomTom 2 in 2003 with a CF-based GPS receiver, people used to ask "wtf is THAT???" )
2) O2 XDA IIi
In the course of improving this device and upgrading it's OS to WM2003SE, I found these wonderful forums many years back! The IIi worked like a charm for 2+ years until it began to randomly hard reset itself, so I went out & got a nice 2nd hand...
3)TyTN II
I loved the whole slide keyboard & tilting screen, it really worked well the way I use my phone, although the keyboard was a touch too small for my liking. I didnt like the loss of good GPS when upgrading to WinMo 6.1 but put up with it as other parts of the OS seemed faster to me, still that slow screen meant no decent video/youtube playback, so I dreamed and dreamed, and saved and saved, and then ebayed, and today I received in the post a brand-new-in-box, Vodafone branded, but unlocked:
4) Touch Pro 2 \o/ (thank you ebay!)
As a long-time forum lurker and occasional poster, I have read all of the FAQs and gone thru the list of software that people reccomend for this device.
I am looking for people's suggestions as to useful things for this device: I am already biting my lip TRYING REAL HARD not to unbox the phone (it still has the HTC screen protector on) until the full body protector kit arrives, so I can keep this device in mint condition: I intend to use this as my primary phone for the forseeable future.
So far I have ordered for it:
1 x replacement battery (generic, cheapo from ebay version, as the 2 I ordered for my TyTN II function exactly like the stock one, have overcharge/overcurrent protection and work just fine)
1 x car windscreen mount (I use satnav a LOT and also BT handsfree phone at same time, so a screen mount is essential)
1 x HTC OEM 12-24v car charger (I need 24v as sometimes I end up driving large vans or campervans as part of my job and some of them run 24 volt systems - I think this is what could have fried my trusty old XDA IIi)
Question: is there any other hardware owners would reccomend me to get? such as the HTC splitter/charger dongle? any good but cheap small BT speakers? etc
I intend to stay with the 'stock' ROM for the intial 'getting to know my phone' period. and gather that official WM 6.5 ROMS may be available soon from either HTC or Vodafone UK.
Question: if the stock ROMS offer a reasonable blend of performance and stability, is it worth flashing HardSPL and changing ROMS/Radios?
Final Question/more of a thought:
I see on ebay a replacement touch screen digitiser can be had for a mere £12.99 for this device. looking at the image, it seems the zoombar is merely another part of the digitiser interface rather than a seperate sensitive 'strip'
I also would like to see the zoombar used in more than just the 3 basic apps it gets used in at present. Is it therefore likely that any hacking of said zoombar functions for our various needs/wants would be accomplished with editing/altering of the library/.dll that deals with the touchscreen, or am I just reading too much into the one pic? (for the curious ebayer, it's item no 390082629387)
Joe
P.S. I am going to derive HUGE satisfaction in 2 weeks time when I walk into my local Vodafone shop. I am on Vodafone PAYG, it works well for me and I find the charges reasonable. This is the basic convo with the Voda salesman in shop:
"Can I get this on PAYG? where I just pay for the handset?"
"Oh no, this is just a business phone, they wont release it on PAYG." (turns out it CAN be had for around £540 from Vodafone)
"Cheapest we could do it at is.... £40... well maybe £35 a month for a 24 month contract" (works out at £840 for the phone eeek!)
I intend to go in and purchase my £10 PAYG talktime voucher and waft the phone it's intended for, and see if he notices I have the much-vaunted 'business handset I cant possibly get on PAYG' on PAYG Vodafone hehe
Joe Pinball said:
"Cheapest we could do it at is.... £40... well maybe £35 a month for a 24 month contract" (works out at £840 for the phone eeek!)
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Ah, but how much would you be paying for a SIM-only contract that offers unlimited Internet? Probably £20 a month. That means you're actually paying £20 a month for the contract, and only £15 a month for the phone, which works out at £360, with two years interest-free credit. So you've ripped yourself off if you bought it for £540.
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Ah, but how much would you be paying for a SIM-only contract that offers unlimited Internet? Probably £20 a month. That means you're actually paying £20 a month for the contract, and only £15 a month for the phone, which works out at £360, with two years interest-free credit. So you've ripped yourself off if you bought it for £540.
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If I had paid £540, yes I agree, but as I paid £321 for it on ebay I feel well chuffed
also: I checked out Vodafones contracts for this device: althought the minutes/month seemd nice even at the 'cheaper' tarrifs, I would still pay for my internet daily (50p for 15 megs, whereas I get a 50p charge for 25 megs on my PAYG) and messaging also cost money (11p a SMS I think)
I buy a £10 voucher for my PAYG and get 100 minutes & 300 SMS, 1 month validity, does me just fine! internet has ben 50p for 25Mb a day now for some time on Voda PAYG, and I also dont mind spending 50p for a days usage of the internet when out in the wild.
Well, if you're happy.
I just checked Vodafone's website, and it's actually a lot cheaper than you seem to think. For £30 a month for two years you get the phone for free. That gives you either 900 minutes a month and unlimited texts, or 750 minutes, 250 texts and unlimited landline calls. Either deal includes "unlimited" Internet use (subject to a 500MB a month fair usage policy). If you assume the contract is worth £20 a month, that brings the cost of the phone down to £240, with two years interest-free credit, and no hassles about guarantee if it goes wrong, which can be a problem on eBay.
On top of that, there's no charge at all for the first three months, which saves you another £90. So that brings the cost of the phone down to just £150, with two years interest-free credit. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Obviously, if you think you might either want to change providers or upgrade the phone in less than two years, then you have to pay extra to get that flexibility. But even the 18 month deal isn't that bad: £35 a month rather than 30, and no free 3 months, so that works out at about £270 for the phone. On a 12-month contract it comes to about £350.
As the guy above can't actually read:
Joe Pinball said:
Question: is there any other hardware owners would reccomend me to get? such as the HTC splitter/charger dongle? any good but cheap small BT speakers? etc
I intend to stay with the 'stock' ROM for the intial 'getting to know my phone' period. and gather that official WM 6.5 ROMS may be available soon from either HTC or Vodafone UK.
Question: if the stock ROMS offer a reasonable blend of performance and stability, is it worth flashing HardSPL and changing ROMS/Radios?
Final Question/more of a thought:
I see on ebay a replacement touch screen digitiser can be had for a mere £12.99 for this device. looking at the image, it seems the zoombar is merely another part of the digitiser interface rather than a seperate sensitive 'strip'
I also would like to see the zoombar used in more than just the 3 basic apps it gets used in at present. Is it therefore likely that any hacking of said zoombar functions for our various needs/wants would be accomplished with editing/altering of the library/.dll that deals with the touchscreen, or am I just reading too much into the one pic? (for the curious ebayer, it's item no 390082629387)
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