ROM (Read only memory) and RAM (Random access memory) are NOT the same thing. The Desire has 512MB of ROM for installing the OS and for applications and settings. At stock we have 140MB free to install apps, if you want anymore you can either wait for FroYo or install Apps2SD (You need root). The Desire has 576MB of RAM, this is used to run the OS and applications. At first boot I had about 256MB free, the rest is used to keep Android running. In most system information apps you only get 399MB shown as total ram. This is normal, so please don't ask about it.
Can someone please sticky this? I'm tired of the same question being asked day in day out.
The low RAM figure might be normal for now, but it's due to a kernel limitation that will be removed in Froyo.
...and by safe I really mean a logical, usable size for caches etc. In example, a size which wouldn't give me problems when, I'm browsing in "heavy" websites, downloading through marketplace, or receiving messages and emails.
Since I got my desire and flashed the latest LeeDroid ROM, I've started installing apps like there's no tomorrow. Naturally, most of them I just try and discard, but a lot of them I just keep on my phone even if I use them once a week, or even once a month. With A2SD enabled, I currently have a whopping 188 apps installed. I think they will soon classify a psychiatric condition named after me. That leaves me with around 25mb left in Internal storage, and around 20mb remaining in A2SD.
On my Touch Pro, again, with a [censored]load of apps installed, I usually left around 30mb of free memory, just for various caches. Would it be wise to do the same for android, or should I just wait for the "low space" notification to start clearing things out?.
So I'm wondering. How much free storage you guys have on your desire? And how much would you consider it would be wise to leave free. Would a full-featured site use more than, say 10mb of cache? Would we ever need more than 10mb of cache for mail or messages? Any other serious disadvantages of having an -almost full- internal storage space?
(I already got brut mod for google maps, so maps cache ain't a problem)
Sorry for the long post and possibly needless question... insomnia at it's best
akpidis said:
... How much free storage you guys have on your desire?
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Hit the wall today...
became unstable ..
trouble getting data connections (good reception area)
Camera app not connecting to camera
slow
Down to 8MB internal free !! (cachemate only freed additional 2MB)
214 apps ;-)
A2SD(+) 1.24 GB free / 1.92GB total
Time to delete apps now
Need a better a2sd(+) or bigger phone !
Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed, we Desire users are going to have to get used to doing a hard reset every month or so. Currently have 85mb of phone storage left after a hard reset last week. Before that I was down to 12Mb.
130MB using SuperVillain. I only have around 25 apps though.
Leave 10% or more free. Less than 10% will cause things to start breaking.
memory
hi guys iv got about 110 apps or so and still got 305mb mem on my desire and thats internal memory buy using data2sd very good the only problems i got is my phone crashes and freezes now and again thing its my sd card so is going to try another
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
WARNING, dont get it wrong.
The new Nexus S indeed has 16GB memory ...
But only 1GB for internal memory where you can use to install app.
It has 13 GB as "emulated SD card".
Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868772
sh500 said:
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
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That's still a lot of apps to be stored in 1GB! If that guy up there fit 200ish apps in around our 140MB of space with A2SD+, then theoretically you could put like nearly 1000 apps on the nexus S!
Ah I see...I take that back then!
How comes Apple can do it with their phones but none that are running Android can?? Is it simply a cost thing?
It's obviously apparent that many Android users are installing apps/games mounting way over 500MB.
Got data2ext and have 1.7GB free. I left some directories on the internal storage and created some links. I have to say it working pretty well. Almost no performance lost. Only noticed performance issue while playing asphalt hd.
But the internal storage of nexus s is a step forward. But still more improvement needed. Once they fix those storage issues we will get greater and bigger apps.
R
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214 apps ;-)
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down to only 172 apps (29 MB internal free)...
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
I suspect knowing what to leave to have a minimal system is the trick?
Can I boot with 0 system apps installed ?
I'm thinking "why not" , I can use the command line adb , so I don't think
I even need a gui or fileexplorer app at all ?
Will think about it when the latest LeeDroid has stablised... TBA
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
I've the official last Froyo Update (I only rooted it with unrevoked and substituted the recovery but the ROM is the official one), and I've set on SD card all the apps that permit it.
Yes I know that I must install app2sd and I'm shure I will do it soon, but that is not the point.
The point is: please, someone can explain to me where I'm wrong in my calculations, or what bug or know issue I'm missing?
spile wrote: "Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed..." but again: even this search lead me to an endless list of topics in wich someone say: "Hey my contacts storage on HTC Desire is 40MB, how's that? " and someone other: "Use apps2sd 'cause HTC is bad".
Worst: that's not my case, my contacts storage state 3MB.
Again I know that in a way or another I'm ending this with apps2sd, but again I say it's not my point: my point is I want to undestand where is the problem and, most of all, if complaining directly to HTC is a waste o time that put me as the last one in a row of people condemned to ***** about HTC Desire's memory for the rest of their's life
Sorry for the long rant but I've done my search (at least I've tried, maybe I missed that one topic of revelations) and I want to put all the informations on the table so to not waste more time of yours ^^;;;
Thanks anyway
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HTC Desire, software version: 2.29.405.2, rooted with unrevoked 3.
paulgun said:
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
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On second thoughts, it appears freeing space in /system,
won't really help /data much, so this would not help:
androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-2.html#post1952939
sh500 said:
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
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After trying a dozen other things, I'd have to agree...
forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1598676#r2
Hit another wall today...
215+apps ;-)
A small number of apps won't install, even though >1GB internal free
using data2sd method.
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The logs show it failed due to internal space
Perhaps /cache is too small now ?
im using my own cooked rom, and have atleast 300 apps installed, and i have 58mb free internal storage with 22mb cache partition, 190mb system partition and 222mb data partition
100mb free after 144 apps installed. Have N1table for data partition of 200mb. And app2sd helps a bit. No need for data2ext
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I've installed about 20mb of apps (fb @ 4.8mb, music app 5mb, rest = 10x<1mb apps w/ no cache usage) yet still only have about 14mb. Somehow I'm missing 100mb ish on a RUU'd Desire. Annoying.
Cirunz said:
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
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It did not vanish, the 365 mb is used by android system files and other stuff HTC throws into the phone. In theory, we only have 140+ mb to install apps.
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Is it possible to increase the size of the small memory allocation for applications (150mb)? I think I see a lot of people having that dreading "out of memory" error when I have a large amount of phone memory left 5.88gb left. I'm running Skyraider 4. Will you have to repartition?
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Is it possible to increase the size of the small memory allocation for applications (150mb)? I think I see a lot of people having that dreading "out of memory" error when I have a large amount of phone memory left 5.88gb left. I'm running Skyraider 4. Will you have to repartition?
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The 5.88 GB your seeing is not space for apps it's your internal storage. You can't re-partition the internal partitions on the phone easily if at all. It would be possible to symlink to use a different partition for apps similar to how apps2sd works but I don't know if there are any scripts out for that sort of thing. When I was messing around with different options for DualRom I moved the data/data folder to the data/ partition instead of using the data/data partitions which is the 150mb partition you mentioned and it worked fine but someone would have to write up a script that would run at boot so the phone knew where your apps are.
I have a rooted desire running Leedroid 2.3d, a 16G class 6 card with 512Mb ext3 partition.
After recently installing Tasker, Im getting low memory warnings. I thought I understood how the a2sd+ works in Leedroid (and elsewhere), but clearly I dont because if I did this wouldn't be happening.
System monitor tells me I have 72Mb available "memory" (whatever memory that refers to). The SD card itself (irrelevant here I think) has 500Mb free.
Android settings->running service tells me I have "other 75Mb in 4", then "avail 68Mb+48Mb in 2" (I have no idea what this means), except to note the 75Mb concurs with the system monitor "72Mb free".
So is system monitor really telling me I have only 72Mb left in my 512Mb ext3 partition? Is that what it means ? I find this hard to believe since, before I rooted and installed LeeDroid I had nowhere near 512Mb of memory even available, let alone used. Since rooting I might have installed maybe a dozen apps, 20 absolute tops.
Of course if I reallyl have only 70Mb free 500Mb in my ext3 partition, I simply need to repartition it. But Id rather understand whats going on and why before I just go ahead and take a guess.
Can someone please help me understand exactly what memory is low and how I can verify it (aside from trusting system monitor, which doesn't actually confirm it knows I have 512Mb of ext3 partition).
Dears Helpers!
Like many others I got the problem that the "app memory" of my HOX is blocked with 4,8GB! mysterios "Others" that can not be found anywhere. With your help I would like to be the first one in the world who solves this memory problem.
Please help.
The status:
The HOX got 32GB internal memory. No SD-Card-Slot.
25,24GB are the "Telephone Memory" for Pictures and Videos and Music.
6,76GB are the "app Memory" for the system and apps.
In this app memory the HOX shows 0,86GB for apps and 4,8GB for "Others" only 1GB is free.
The magic thing is, that even after complet factory reset the 4,8GB stay where they are.
So I unlocked the phone, rooted it, put Clockworkmod recovery on it, made a backup (only 1,7GB!), formated all the partitions that let me do this and put the backup back. Everything stood the same.
I put on Cyanogenmod. That shows only the 0,8GB for installed apps and the 1GB free. The 4,8GB where not listed.
Now I am back on stock rom, with root and now TWRP 2.8.0.0.
TWRP shows following partitions:
Cache Size: 300 MB Used: 5MB
Data Size: 2150MB Used 1050MB
(SDCard Size (internal): 25900MB Used 4700MB)
System Size: 1250MB Used 1150MB
The partitions "AndroidSecure" and "Dalvik Cache" are shown but I cant find out how big they are.
All together the partitions are only 3,7GB big. So where are the lost 3GB! of the 6,7GB "App Memory"??!!!
Is there the possibility that there is unpartitioned memory? Can I find out and format it?
Please give me some ideas.
(PS: I tried allready the zip files for TWRP from the following thread, put they don´t execute on my phone. Installing in TWRP produces errors)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-10/development/mod-reclaim-free-space-partition-t3029605
Is there the possibility that there is unpartitioned memory? Can I find out and format it?
Anyone?
Hauke
Maybe somebody can answer me another question. I found out, that there are 4 tmpfs mount points. Each of them is 492MB big and all of them are empty. Could this the blocked memory? Can I delete or shrink them somehow?
Thank you very much