I found myself having to soft reset to get the phone back to working order like 3 or 4 times a day... Does this seem normal to all of you?
I had to soft reset mostly due to insuifficent memories when starting BT, 3rd party keyboard etc. And this is with all apps closed. I guess there must be a easier way to kill all running background apps to release memory instead of soft reset. Anyone know a good program that can do that?
The strange part is I have more than 35mb of program memory most of the time when I get the insufficent memory message...
ROM version: 1.22.00 WWE
Radio version: 1.06.02
Protocol version: 1337.38
ExtROM version: 1.12.925 WWE Cooked
I think my average is 2-3 soft resets a day. Mainly when the system becomes unresponsive and/or BT/WIFI stops working. But I had the same issue with my old HP 5455, too. So I guess it is rather a Microsoft PocketPC OS problem...
I very rarely have to soft reset my device, maybe once or twice a month at most and have never seen the insufficient memory warning despite fairly intensive usage.
I use the Omega One Battery Pack Pro software which includes a clever little tool that allows you to close down programs from the top program bar, or even reconfigure the device so that programs close down completely when you tap the X, thus freeing up the program memory.
About once a week or so, and usually not because of a hang but 'just in case'.
I also use BatteryPack Plus. Very useful, straightforward to use and good looking. Adds functionality that should have been part of the OS in the first place.
mate, i do a soft reset around once every 2 weeks. i read in this forum that doing soft resets is actually good for the unit. clears up memory or sort of cleans up the programs. something like doing a reboot for your laptop...or something like going to the loo after drinking a couple o'pints for terminating running programs; you may want to install third-party apps which allow you to shutdown progs from either the task bar or the today screen. example; i still use systeminfo; it displays my battery (in %), the memory usage and the running apps. the third one allows you to switch progs, shut down an app or shut em all down. others use apps which allow you to shut down progs from the task bar; reminds of the little thunderbolt icon on the task bar....what was that app again...
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Mine gets soft reset every Friday after I backup with sprite. Other than that, only if I install a program or change a setting that says "You must soft reset in order for this change to take effect".
I had to hard-reset a few days after I got it (too much messing around, too little knowledge!) but since then, I can't remember having to reset hard or soft due to an error. And that would be about two months now.
Try looking in this post for an program closing app - http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16199.
I recommend PocketNav (which I post at the above link). It's small and ever so easy to use!
Hope this helps!
Dom
I do have Battery Pro, but since there're just too much stuffs on my Today's desktop already, I only have the batt info running. My IIs came with a program that let you close down the running apps already and I've been doing that. But still, I'm just wondering how BA is handling memories. Like I said in my original post, I always maintain no less that 35Mb of program and storage memory each, I just don't understand how is it am I running out of memories... Or is it another type of memory that I need to free up??
It might be the Driver memory, have read in some other forums that there's a portion of memory reserved for drivers and that you can get a warning about THAT memory even though there is NO way to monitor it!! Resetting helps in these scenarios so it might be that.
If you're having issues specifically around bluetooth what build of bluetooth are you running? Anything less than build 3500 is reportedly unstable and gives this error a lot, I saw this error several times in the first few days, was resetting every couple of hours, but having applied the build 3500 patch I've HAD to reset twice in 3 weeks... once because the whole thing seemed to lock up, no buttons/screen would work (not even off!) reboot fixed, and once because I was having issues with an SD card, and resetting seemed to make it see it ok.
If you need the BT patch I have a copy, send me a PM
Thanks Sazoo, but I have 3500 already I don't know why, maybe it's because of some of the 3rd party software I've installed is draining memories... I still get the driver memory error a lot even with 3500 stack.
What exactly is driver memory anyway? Any program to free up driver memory?
Bout twice per day as Bluetooth requires this every so often Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hmm.... My problem seems to be the M$ Voice Commander... As suggested in another forum, I removed it and everything runs twice as fast... But I really missed the voice functions now
Gazza, I know what you mean. If my Bluetooth loses connection, I then have to soft reset the PDA for it to find the connection again. Pain in the bum!
No sound during calls
I have to reset every day. For some strange reason my speaker doesn't work anymore during phonecalls after during some other applications. Until now I can only solve it by a reset.
If anybody has a clue on how to fix this problem in any other way. Please let me know.
Until Friday I had never had to reset it, as far as I can remember. Then I tried a BT car mounted handsfree from MTU. (Before that I had never even turned on BT, I wouldn't use it for anything else than a handsfree after my experience with other PPCs). Since that my microphone has stopped working twice, the unit complains just about avery second time I turn it on that the storage card isn't formatted (which it is), all in all it drives me crazy! I need to do a hard reset tomorrow to clear up all this. Unfortunately I have been sloppy with backups since the last hard reset. That was for the latest firmware upgrade, and I found out that I had to do a new install since a restore reverted the WLAN driver updates (so that was as much of a software update as a firmware update).
I have to soft-reset 2 or 3 times a day.
I don't use Blue-tooth.
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Once a week max, but used to have that prob wit BT stack being out of mem. fix was to upgrade to new rom from 02 and remove MS Voice Command.
02 ROM:
Rom Version 1.31.00 WWE
ROM date 12/13/04
Radio version 1.06.00
Protocol version 1337.38
ExtROM version 1.31.139 WWE
MS Voice command:
this app eats memory and each component (i.e. voice dail, media play, app launch) takes up more. It's madnes but after looking at process usage it's clear as day.
Depending on how much I use it, but about every 7 minutes of PDA use it freezes, or roughly every 5th app I open will lock up.
If I haven't recieved a phonecall/message for an hour and a half it's usually an indicator that the radio part is not working and requires a soft reset.
Average 6 - 7 times a day as standard. With 'connections' removed from startup perhaps 5 - 6.
I find I'm resetting twice a day on average. Lately it's been because the phone just stops responding or the screen refuses to come out of its sleep after being switched "off" via the button... and then finding out that I missed several phone calls because the phone has been sitting in a crashed state! Very frustrating.
I used to own an iPaq 3630 and NEVER had to reset except when installing software that required a reset... and that was running PPC2000 and 2002.
when i got my BA, i had to soft reset 6 times a day from day 1. i downgraded to the o2 rom before the newest one i had, then i never had to soft reset after that, now i upgraded to imate 1.40rom and i havenmt needed to soft reset sincve then either.
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Since I've installed Rom 1.40, I've literally never been able to use Bluetooth without doing two consequtive soft resets. Bad case of "insufficient driver memory" -- I don't know if anybody else has it that bad? I've read all the posts about this and nothing seems to help in my case (BA with Rom 1.40, BT 3900, NOT running SPB Pocket plus).
Anyway, I did a routine pc backup just now with Sprite, which kills all processes first. When the backup is complete, it always prompts to perform a soft reset (in order to resume all processes that are normally loaded at startup, I guess). I was wondering what would happen if I didn't do this so I pressed cancel. Then I tried to turn on Bluetooth -- and voilà, it worked.
Ok, guess it's pretty logical, anyone could have figured out that some running process must cause the "insufficient driver memory" error. But I'd like to examine this further and find out which process exactly, hoping I might one day be able to use Bluetooth by killing that process (if it's nothing vital, off course) instead of doing my usual two soft resets.
So my question is: does anyone know of an application that can show and kill running processes (more selectively than Sprite Backup does), and that isn't too large?
This is a great question.
Ever since 1.40 has been installed, I feel like my SX-66 just "isn't the same" anymore.
I am not sure if it has to do with the 1.40 upgrade, or another app I installed, but I tell you...
I need to suspend the unit and turn it back on to get Wi-Fi to work sometimes.
I need soft-resets for the BT driver to work...
I'll often put it in the cradle and activesync starts and then stops right away...
(And plus I am stuck with the buzzing oscillator, too).
This has gone from my #1 favorite PPC in the world, to something that is getting more and more annoying.
I wonder how things would have been if I left the OLD firmware, the OLD EXT-ROM, and the OLD Radio ROM, right out of the box...
Strange...
Maybe a new ROM will come out soon enough that solves all these problems.
I do hope someone responds to this thread.
It would be great if we could find out which process is preventing the BT radio from working. (Although, maybe it's just the number of processes, and/or the memory used....)
I am going to try allocating more program memory and see what happens...
Thanks for your answer. Problems here, apart from Bluetooth:
WiFi -- Often can't turn it on. This is an known problem on the forum. My workaround: if I turn it on and off immediately after a soft reset, before I do anything else, it generally works fine when I need it later. Otherwise, I have to soft reset again.
Active Sync -- Sometimes slow, sometimes connects and disconnects again, sometimes does nothing at all. Also, there's a growing number of stored e-mail messages that get sync'ed almost every time, even though nothing's changed. Other than that, it usually works ok.
Whistling screen -- NO, fortunately this hasn't happened to me yet. I hope I stay safe, because from what I've read it's a pain... :?
I remember I had some WiFi and BT problems before I installed 1.40, and besides I really really want Media Player 10 so downgrading is not an option...
Well, even if the problem is the number of running processes rather than a specific one, I still hope we'll be able to kill some non-vital ones to free up driver memory...
This morning, I tried PHM Task Manager 0.1 which allows you to view running processes and, theoretically, end them, but every process I tried to end just stayed right where it was (even after refreshing the screen)!? Are there any other task managers that can do this? Anyone?
Please report if you had any luck after allocating more memory. Although I read somewhere that the amount of memory for loading drivers is limited by default, and that allocating more overall working memory doesn't help... I've tried it myself, allocating as much memory as I could (probably about 40-50 MB free program memory), but still had the "insufficient memory" issue with Bluetooth.
A way to get bluetooth working everytime
It might not be the easiest way to get your bluetooth working but it does work everytime. First thing you do is set your phone to flight mode. After that then you perform a soft reset. When you are back up then turn on your bluetooth. After your bluetooth is on then you can turn the phone back on again. Click on your signal icon at the top of the screen and choose settings. It will ask you if you want to turn the phone on. Choose yes and for me I have to do this twice before the phone comes back on. After that it will work everytime I reset until I turn off bluetooth. Hope this helps
A way to get bluetooth working everytime
It might not be the easiest way to get your bluetooth working but it does work everytime. First thing you do is set your phone to flight mode. After that then you perform a soft reset. When you are back up then turn on your bluetooth. After your bluetooth is on then you can turn the phone back on again. Click on your signal icon at the top of the screen and choose settings. It will ask you if you want to turn the phone on. Choose yes and for me I have to do this twice before the phone comes back on. After that it will work everytime I reset until I turn off bluetooth. Hope this helps
Twice ? :wink:
Active Sync -- Sometimes slow, sometimes connects and disconnects again, sometimes does nothing at all.
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Activesync conflics with McShield.exe and so runs painfully slowly.
This is the active virus scan part of McAfee Antivirus. If you are using McAfee, before you dock your BA, right click the McAfee icon in your system tray and disable virus scan.
Hope that helps.
I have a Cingular SX66. No ROM upgrades yet. I have experienced similar problems and have been able to conclusively trace mine to Goodlink. This app is a necessary evil on my (corporate) device. This hog takes 6+ MB to run, more than 3 times any other program I have. If people think MS VoiceCommand is crappy programming (although I love it), then you ought to load Goodlink on and watch it muck up the works. As soon as I kill Goodlink.exe with MemMaid (great app by the way) bluetooth has no problems.
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Ive had my SPVM2000 about a week now, I do like it, but am getting annoyed how many times I have to reset it.
Biggest problem is sometimes I can not here audio from the phone, bith in and out calls, The Mic is working and the volme control shows all the way up.
Only way to get it back is a reset.
The other problem is some times it runs slow, I do run a few apps, but even when I shut them down, I often have to do a rest to get it to respond in a reasonable time.
any clues, or can i check anything to give more info?
We had a thread on the 'no sound in call' problem. Last time I checked it, 76% of owners of this handset had the problem!
Updating ROM to 1.40 and Radio ROM to 1.13 seemed to solve it for me.
THe BA is slow by nature. Today screen plugins make it 10 times worse!
Radio 1.3 will solve the issue.
Being slow - It really depends on the type of apps you have in your PPC, especially on the 'today' screen. BA cannot be blamed for that
When ever the phone is in standby for a few minutes or so, it refuses to power back on when I press the power button. The only way to bring the phone back is a soft reset. While it is frozen in standby mode it does not receive phones calls, emails or texts. Im running lvsw 03-26. I noticed it didn’t happen with lvsw 3-20…but it was happening with both versions of xda live. I did a few hard resets to see if that will get rid of it…but nothing. I tried searching high and low on the site and even read wiki for answers but no one seems to know what is going on. I saw a few people post up the same issue but still no help….so I decided to open a new thread. Can anyone help?
It happens. Do you have a Storage Card in? If so, take it out for a while and see what happens. What 3rd party apps are you using too. I know Wisbar Advance causes this issue. Can you list what you're running and maybe I can see if you're having the same problem I was.
I've had the same problem with most WM6 roms. Having upgraded to BlackEd2.0 the problem seems to have gone though...
are you running a today plugin off storage card perhaps?
none of the roms i've tried had power on problems
Sometimes you can have that problem with having a cluttered SD Card or having a program that is accessing online in the background.
I have a 512 storage card. I’m not running much 3rd party apps…I have Mundu IM, Microsoft live search, Google maps, WM black commander, macromedia flash player active x…and that’s it. I Had mundu, live search and Google maps installed to my storage card. After reading rabanJR’s post, I uninstalled them from the card and installed them to the phone. I then went back to the card and deleted all program folders and files….I also did a general clean up of the card. Lets see what happens now.
Also to swampy…im not running much of anything on my today screen….just the messages, calendar and the com manager plug in that came with the rom. That’s all. Lets hope for the best.
Bad news, it froze up twice again today. I’m all out of ideas….any more suggestions?
funny thing, that just happened to me today. greed led was flashing, but i couldn't get out of standby mode without soft resetting. maybe some kinda software issue? Its the first time it's happened to me since going to wm6. i did notice it before however.
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Bad news, it froze up twice again today. I’m all out of ideas….any more suggestions?
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maybe try a hard reset?
What Radio Rom?
Have you flashed a new radio lately? If not, what radio ROM version do you have? I had an issue with my TyTN that was definitely a radio issue. Flashed to 1.38.0.11 and haven't had a single issue with freezing since.
Just an idea, of course.
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Bad news, it froze up twice again today. I’m all out of ideas….any more suggestions?
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yes sir...i tried many hard resets. A radio upgrade is one of the things i tried...i saw a few people trying it. i went to 1.34 though. im going to flash to 1.38 riiight now! im desperate right now. i'll let you know how it goes.
I had the same problem until I upgraded to black 2.0. I had the radio 1.38.0.11 from the time I upgraded to wm6 and my 8525 was freezing until upgrading to black 2.0 solved my problem.
well i have good news. i upgraded to LVSW(2007/04/08) last night...and so far so good. didnt freeze once today. hope the issue is gone for good. thanks all for the help.
same exact issue here running LVSW 03-26 (goes unresponsive while in standby, green blinking LED, soft reset to recover). 2gb card installed...i'll try removing it to see if freezes go away.
rzanology: if LVSW 04/08 fixes the issue, please post back and let us know!
installed (all to device, not card)
salling clicker
resco explorer/registry/ftp/today
kyphur hold comm button toggle
wmxl apps 8525 keyboard fix
shogun cing
will do...one more note...i updated to 1.38.11 i think it was. what funny is right after i updated the radio the phone froze on the first standby. while i was coming back to post i saw the new rom update for lvsw.
This has a been a long reported problem on WM6 ROMs. 'wont wake from sleep' is the common phrase. Radio and bacground app using net I think was the problem, but no real solution if I remember correctly. On LVSW 3 26 I have gone weeks without this though. In the beginning LVSW 3 26 still did the freeze but after a week it stopped and works pretty good now. Sounds like MS is behind it since it makes no sense at all. LOL.
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When ever the phone is in standby for a few minutes or so, it refuses to power back on when I press the power button. The only way to bring the phone back is a soft reset. While it is frozen in standby mode it does not receive phones calls, emails or texts. Im running lvsw 03-26. I noticed it didn’t happen with lvsw 3-20…but it was happening with both versions of xda live. I did a few hard resets to see if that will get rid of it…but nothing. I tried searching high and low on the site and even read wiki for answers but no one seems to know what is going on. I saw a few people post up the same issue but still no help….so I decided to open a new thread. Can anyone help?
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Wow, I thought I was crazy becasue nobody mentioned this issue before. I had this problem from day 1.
However, i recently noticed that the 1.38 Radio was eating up my battery life and downgraded to 1.34. This combined with installing Black2.0 seems to have taken care of this problem. I just came back from a weekend away from my phone (which i know is a crime since it is so much fun to use) and it woke up right away.
What Radio do you have?
How long are your phones in standby when it happens?
well....bad news again. even after the new rom update it is still freezing. do you guys think this is hardware? I never froze on wm5...i can't see it being a hardware issue. im almost tempted to call cingular and have them send another one, but i dont know how to go back to wm5. for me, the phone will be in standby for 30 minutes or so....then wont turn back on. any more suggestions?
try disabling everything completely.
1 events and notifications
2 beam auto receive
3 bluetooth
4 wifi
5 put device into flight mode
6 all startup items (including those in rom) move to a temp for now
7 disable activesync
8 disable push email
9 disable all today items
1. disable error reporting customer experience
11 remove anything that reads the sd card
12 remove sd card entirely
13 remove sim card
literally disable everything that runs automatically or otherwise.
power down ur phone by pressing power button for 3 secs. shutdown. leave it for 20secs.
power it back up. then test it now.
if u have a problem now then it could be scary bear notifications fix only. u could have a notification queu problem that is causing ur device to contradicory items simultaneously.
this could be caused activesync so no matter which rom u use it comes back via activesync of calendar or tasks.
if at this stage its fixed then bring things back systematically with the most important first like the sim card. turn off flight mode
c how u go. sometimes pda just gets confused and doesnt wake up from a sleep to well (bit like me in the morning... sometimes bed and sleep is just way to good compared to work/life)...
good luck.
I am using WM6 Black Edition 2.0 ROM and have been since the 12th of April. I don't know what the cause is since I have not changed any settings or added programs since the initial setup on the 12th.
Basically, sometimes when I hit the power button to turn the phone on, nothing happens. In fact, the phone doesn't even ring in this situation, thus I miss all calls and messages. The ONLY way I have found to fix this is to soft reset the device. It happens about one or two times per day now but did not happen at all for the first few weeks with this ROM.
I searched under "power on", "turn on", "power issue", and one or two other terms but didn't find much of anything related.
This has happened to me on occasion with various ROMs. I can only say that I have not experienced it with Dutty's v2, while running the same programs that I have always run. I install Egress, SBSH Pocket Weather, SBSH iLauncher, SBSH Pocket Breeze, MemMaid, AEButton Plus, numerous games, PIE Plus, and a few others that I can't remember off hand. The only fix is to find a ROM that allows you to run your platform without the need to soft reset. I searched for answers to this many times. It is often blamed on some application that I then removed only to suffer the same fate later in abscencia. Good luck with it but I think the fix will be hard to find.
@pinhead
aadadams is correct. Your screen is probably locking due to an APP running. I use to have this problem with select today plugins. Also some programs which where stored on the memory card. You should try to isolate all your software to check which one is causing the problems.
Do you have your email to automatically check? If so is the account IMAP?
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The application was the SPB Fullscreen Keyboard v4.11 that was the culprit, verified over 3 hard resets that this is the offending program.
I hope this saves anyone else from going through the grief I have suffered. I completely forgot to include it on my list below so I am glad I had the patience to test one more time. (I ussualy forget to install it, then go to txt message or something and install it).
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I am pretty much at wits end here and am preparing to return this huge lump of crap to the store. It seems that if I install "pretty much anything" and NOT use the touch-flo garbage... the phone will work great.... until i need or want to soft-reset it....
then the logo comes up, the ROM/RADIO numbers, and then the screen turns black, to never come on again.
Having worked for Sprint for 5 years, and moreover having built my own custom roms at PPCGeeks for 2 years I feel that I have a pretty good grip on the ins & outs of windows mobile.
I have NO clue what is going on with this phone.
I have three of them in my possession. It happens on all three.
I install each application, ONE-AT-A-TIME, soft reset after every single install, its fine. I wait a day or so, soft reset... SURPRISE you gotta redo your phone.
I have narrowed it down to a few programs that *may* be the cause of my irritation...
-Phonealarm (overrides the notifications...???)
-Ptravelalarm (and three other alarm programs) notification flaw???
-Memmaid (deals with notifications...???)
I dont expect anyone to know the answer, maybe someone else is having this issue (i hate Touch-Flo) and is trying to install programs to make the handset usable from the today-screen.
I am going to list my installed programs, and maybe, just maybe, someone smarter than myself can pinpoint the culprit.
-batti 2.4
-calendar plus
-sbp fullscreen keyboard 4.11
-google maps 3.21 (never GPS locks btw)
-iContact 95
-phonealarm 2.30
-pTravelalarm 2.81
-Resco File Explorer 7.05
-rlToday v22b
Thats it, thats all i use on my phone, im a creature of simplicity. On the todayscreen i have phonealarm, rltoday, ptravelalarm, calander+
I went to the forums for both phonealarm & memmaid, and there doesnt seem to be any threads with my issue. ptravelalarm has no support, but I have tried g-alarm, gsalarm & poweralarm, and they all seem to fail as well.
Again I cant narrow it down to a single application because after an install and reset it works fine. Its like "after the program simmers" that it wants to "Black-Screen" the phone.
I am 100% sure that a custom ROM will alleviate all of my issues as I am using all of those programs on a 6800 and a 6900, with WM 6.1 & WM 6.5 respectively.
They even work on the stock roms for both handsets....
Any ideas? How far out is the HARD-SPL? I have about 3 weeks left before I have to return these things.
Thank you for reading, and any help that may be forthcoming.
I'm having the exact same issue, it's very frustrating to pay $400+ for a phone only to have it blackscreen of death you every time you try to boot it up. Touchflo seems nice but it just adds extra button presses to what should be straightforward tasks. I hope things turn around but right now I'm not impressed.