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Windows Mobile 7 Series - On Rhodium??

I just seen a demo/preview of the Windows 7 Mobile Operating System and I must say it looks very nice (take a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOTrqlz4jo)
I am curious if it could be used on the TP2/Tilt2 devices once its release in November?? If so, I am very excited.
Does anyone have any insight on this??
Thanks!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611052

Until we can get a working version of 7 Series, I find this discussion pointless.
All we know is from one conference, and a bunch of videos demoing it.
From what we were told at the recent conference:
- Needs capacitative screen for multi-touch with at least four points of touch
- Needs 1Ghz processor or equivalent (the demo device had a Snapdragon)
- Accelerometer
- 5-mega-pixel camera
- FM Radio
- WVGA screen (480×800 not mentioned as a requirement, only WVGA)
- Every phone will have a Bing (search) button, Start button, and a back button.
What the Touch Pro2 is lacking:
- The 1Ghz speed
- Capacitative screen
- 5-mega-pixel camera
My guess is that it will not be a complete rewrite as history has shown time and time again. The restive screen code might still be there for some smart person to re-enable but I highly doubt that all the features of the OS will work through resistive. Also the screen size has not been listed as a requirement, only WVGA was stated. I know all current WVGA devices have a resolution of 480x800 but higher resolutions exist on paper. So at 480x800, is that enough?
My final thoughts: many will try but the screen and over all speed will be a major issue to deal with. If it does get ported to the TP2, the over all experience will be poor enough to fall back to a 6 Series OS.

i dont think it will be well received. it doesnt look like it runs any current windows mobile apps.

From looking at that youtube vid who cares if you can run it on a TP2! Why would I want to ?
Not very impressive. What's the bet it's the same old thing with a different gui ?

dik23 said:
From looking at that youtube vid who cares if you can run it on a TP2! Why would I want to ?
Not very impressive. What's the bet it's the same old thing with a different gui ?
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I couldn't help watching it and thinking "I don't see anything yet that I'm willing to pay $600 for." It looks nice, but I say wait and see how Microsoft turns it into a pile of crap...

Hey, maybe it'll come with glasses and be in 3D. Seems unlikely though.
If you want to make money short Microsoft (IMO)

I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever

I doubt very much that Windows Phone 7 Series will come to any older devices excpet for possibly the HTC HD2.
A big part is it requires a GPU for the animation, and unless WP7S has drivers for the TP2 (if the GPU is even good enough) your not gonna get anywhere.
Also Capacitive will be a stumbling block. There will be plenty of new phones out that will run it very well. So it will be a perfect time to upgrade to a CPU that is atleast 1Ghz.

sirphunkee said:
I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever
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What the hell are you expecting, really?

rorytmeadows said:
What the hell are you expecting, really?
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multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)

sirphunkee said:
multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)
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Oh yes! I was hoping I could have an iPhone while staying loyal to MS!

MCbrian said:
Oh yes! I was hoping I could have an iPhone while staying loyal to MS!
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As you've seen, Redmond anticipated your wish, and officially granted it a few days ago lol.
I should probably state my position on this a little better than I first did:
While I don't argue that this new OS is indeed advanced (perhaps even revolutionary), and seems quite capable at what it does...I still feel strongly that this is not the spiritual successor to the current evolutionary path of the windows mobile platform. I know that's why they played semantics with the marketing name, tagging it with the "7" as if it was the next logical step from 6.5...when in reality it's only a timely branding tie-in to the success of the desktop 7.
Let me put it this way...if the desktop 7 had been a flop, they would have called this new gadget The ZunePhone, because it's that much more than it is WinMo7.
Can I see a show of hands for who else is seriously concerned that what we love most about WM is not likely to be around for very much longer...? I know there's been remarks made that 6.5+ will still be supported, developed for, etc...but until I see some confirmed roadmaps and such, I still think the natural life expectancy of my platform of choice looks a lot more finite than it did a little over a week ago.
EDIT: Right after I wrote that, I found some news that makes me feel a little better about some of this

sirphunkee said:
EDIT: Right after I wrote that, I found some news that makes me feel a little better about some of this
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"Windows Phone Classic" Well...better than nothing.

MCbrian said:
"Windows Phone Classic" Well...better than nothing.
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Yes, we're now like the AM radio of the mobile phone world.
"Doesn't gramps still have his Windows Phone Classic..phone?" "Yeah he keeps it in the box under his bed with his baseball cards and war medals"

sirphunkee said:
Yes, we're now like the AM radio of the mobile phone world.
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Actually, I'm old enough to think of a different comparison:
Years ago Coke came out with "New Coke" with a new taste -- more like Pepsi...and the backlash was so strong that they had to bring back the original recipe as "Coke Classic" in parallel with New Coke.
Unfortunately, I think MS is trying to attract the majority of potential customers who don't [think they] like WM...so they're coming out with something that's not WM.

sirphunkee said:
I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever
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im more excited about getting android on my phone.
what was the point of the windows mobile marketplace and 6.5.x and all that if they where going to ditch everything about windows mobile and start a new? (remind anyone of palm?)

rorytmeadows said:
What the hell are you expecting, really?
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Yeah, I suppose expecting innovation from a massive dinosaur like MS is asking a bit much.

dik23 said:
Yeah, I suppose expecting innovation from a massive dinosaur like MS is asking a bit much.
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What would innovation be? If you want phones with simple interfaces, macforums.com can accommodate your needs.
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multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)
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I'm pretty sure that you'll be able to do this, from what I've read already. Plus, think about what you mean when it comes to multitasking because it means different things to different people.

STOP BELIEVING things that have no evidence behind them.
MS has NOT said that multitasking won't exist.
MS has NOT said that backwards compatibility won't exist.
MS has NOT said much more than the little said earlier this week. Stop believe what WMexperts has told you, it turns out MS was just taking you for a ride with those rumors.
Stop being an idiot and wait and see what happens when it comes to the release date.
You guys are basing your opinions on what you saw 8 months before the actual release of the product. THINK ABOUT IT. Just because your dumbass thinks this and that about a premature product, doesn't mean anything. STOP jumping to conclusions. It's really making you look dumb. MS is not going to sit there demoing a new product and talk about copy and paste. Why would they? Ohhhh, because SOOOOOO many people care about that in the world. I appreciate copy and paste and backwards compatibility just as everyone else does, but the truth of the matter is, you just don't know anything about Windows Phone 7.

If we have andriod rom ,i will never use WM!

If we have andriod rom ,i will never use WM!
I wanna by an andriod,but ,but ich habe nicht geld.
wm is so damn bad!it will be less and less software to support it,just like palm.

not so sure about it
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.

vicai said:
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
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actually all works beside camera..but the devs are working hard...i use android 2.1 a lot...i use windows mobile only to boot android
try a new bulid with new rootfs and zImage and all will be fast

Why did you buy a WM device at all then?

ElCondor said:
Why did you buy a WM device at all then?
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i bought a wm device because is nice having wm...i can do what i want...for example i can boot android,rhobuntu and because i love the diamond...

vicai said:
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
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well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally

farukb said:
well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
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exactly my opinion...

farukb said:
well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
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yes, you read my life history! exactly you know what i have done.
so i guess over a year with ubuntu, kubuntu or many other distros is not enough. or maybe unable to make no name scanner work in the office with linux os is not enough .. nooo, must be the smart card reader and el. payment software not working on linux are considering as prof applications
i am talking about basic office use. nothing else. but more the next-next-next-finish use.
for example, make vpn connection with mschap, and header comperssion on windows. it IS next next next finish, on linux ? you have to add 3 modules, and compile the kernel (YES on ubuntu!) .. is THAT user friendly? and that is professional usage ?
you missed my point, i am not saying it is bad, just VERY slowly developing! and on windows everything much easier to do.
but then again, we are not talking about linux and windows, it is wm and android, yes simmilar, but then, why dont you get android phone, and not force it on diamond, someone nicely said "everything is working except .. " yes, kicking ass full time

for me is working good...i hardly ever use camera..and i find a lot easier doing thing in android..

I agree, WM is much more user friendly than Android as of current situation. I know Android is good looking than windows but at some places even I have experienced that it could do much better. I guess it'll take some time. Even WM wasn't perfect at start... it took time to develop into something so user friendly.

Droid sux big time
I've just tried the HTC Incredible (kind of the better version of Desire). Such a waste to put Android on that great device...
Although fast overall, the interface is sluggish at times and confusing. It was so easy to screw around and get to a totally different page/app that what I wanted. But maybe that's because it takes time to get used to it.
However, the most horrible thing was trying to watch a video on it... even a dumb Youtube video looks awfully pixelated and it was struggling to get what looked like 15-20 fps.
After all, how many of you saw a proper video player written in java?

I powered down my beloved Diamond friend for 2 years three weeks ago and booted up into Android on a brand new Desire.
It reminded me of old times with Nokia 6xxx phones, how responsive and simple to use they were. I gave this up on WinMo and got used to fairly temperamental MS system, with its random delays in answering phone calls or dialing contacts.
But with Android that Nokia responsiveness is back, it just flies as if it was designed in Finland.
When acquiring Desire I was ready to give up on some of the functionality that was readily available on WinMo 6.5 but to my surprise I had to make very few consessions. There is actually quite a lot of new features/capabilities specific to Android, which I found really great.
I use my phone mainly for work, utilize most of the communication features frequently and can confess that Android powered Desire definitively lowered my blood pressure. It is dependable, great workhorse with hopefully bright future.
So concluding this little switch over account I am glad that we have a choice now and that smart phones can be made into well working communicators and wish that Microsoft got the WinMo 7 right, the more competition there is the better for us.
Although knowing Redmond I do not pin my hopes too high eventhough I know from internal sources that they are in a sheer state of panic over the mounting losses in WinMo marketshare.

doubt...
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...

surfboardcm said:
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
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if you would like to use camera, dont use android camera is still not working in either of androids...
gps: i found good xdandroid 2.1, but a bit slow
the myns warn donut (1.6) is pretty good, fast, and reliable (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674358&page=1)

surfboardcm said:
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
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call works,gps works,camera doesn't work and for pdf and excel i think you have to download something in the market

HELICOPTER88 said:
for me is working good...i hardly ever use camera..and i find a lot easier doing thing in android..
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Which version are you using?? Any link?
Regards

cescof said:
Which version are you using?? Any link?
Regards
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i'm using latest xdandroid bulid you can find it in the raphael android forum

this android version is really fast and great! Will there be a fix for the battery issue any time soon?

da robat said:
this android version is really fast and great! Will there be a fix for the battery issue any time soon?
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i think yes...i remember when in november i was trying android 1.6...wi-fi wasn't working..the system was slow and the battery last for 1 hour...and now we have all working except from camera and the battery lasts for 12 hour without wi-fi...the devs are doing a marvellous work

android
I have no idea why the HTC guys do not make the android for all HTC models, so we could choose which to use. only thing I know is, that god damn Windows sucks not only on my PC it also sucks in my mobile too. I've tried Xandroid but it warms up my processor and nothing works properly, I hope the guys that did hard job will fix all that problems, or I'll buy nokia again. Symbian is much easier to use than that stupid WM

Evo 4g With WINdows MObile? Is It Possible?

Question is the thread...

Sure, just like people are working on a 100% compatible Android ROM for the HD2. Just have to wait for a dev to take interest and port the OS for the Evo hardware.
If it happens, you'll see it here.

actually this has been asked MANY times in here.. just sayin... but I'm sure there isnt a 4g winmo modem driver yet.

There are a bunch of threads asking this, & the most common answer is: probably not.
Of course it's possible, but likely not going to happen due to lack of interest in the community, as well as any of the dev's.

Veritas06 said:
There are a bunch of threads asking this, & the most common answer is: probably not.
Of course it's possible, but likely not going to happen due to lack of interest in the community, as well as any of the dev's.
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Well, you'd think all of the threads about this would show an interest... right?
I'd be another one to switch an evo to winmo 6.5 or at least dual boot...

I see these threads and wonder, why? It's like buying a Corvette then putting a lawn mower engine in it. I'm sure someone could get it to work, but what's the point?

clamknuckle said:
I see these threads and wonder, why? It's like buying a Corvette then putting a lawn mower engine in it. I'm sure someone could get it to work, but what's the point?
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I don't completely agree with that wm still offers a few benefits. I have always been keen to options. I bought a lawn mower (dell mini 10v and have windows 7, osx snow leopard, android eclair, ubuntu, and jolicloud in a multiboot.) Just because I can. I think a dual boot android and wm would be a great idea similar to the iphone iboot between android and ios
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Fost04mach said:
Well, you'd think all of the threads about this would show an interest... right?
I'd be another one to switch an evo to winmo 6.5 or at least dual boot...
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For every one of these threads with a few users wanting WinMo on the EVO, it usually brings like 50 posts of flaming about it, so i'm willing to bet those wanting WinMo is a very small percentage of the community.
Also, there haven't been any dev's showing interest, which is the key part.

why not just buy a HD2? its the same exact phone win winMO (except the 4g ofcourse)....and i think dual booting a phone is pathetic that's why there's portable laptops? let a phone just be a phone...

A guy is porting Android to HTC7...

did you see this video from a guy that is porting android to the HTC7? its booting ok but almost anything works...
HAHA ITS NOT TRUT ITS A APRIL JOKE!!!! ITS DREAM
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Worst April Fool's joke ever. You should have talked about the upcoming collaboration between Apple and Microsoft for iTunes-Zune combination player, iTunZ.

don't quit your day job.
iZunes ftw.

No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.

z33dev33l said:
No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.
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I guess that's why they're trying to port Android to it.

orangekid said:
I guess that's why they're trying to port Android to it.
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so it lasts less ?

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No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.
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Doesn't seem like anybody wants the feature-lite successor to the Kin, either. Otherwise, why would MS be hiding WP7 sales figures?

Windows Phone 7
Windows Phone 7 is for smart people...

greenbrd said:
Doesn't seem like anybody wants the feature-lite successor to the Kin, either. Otherwise, why would MS be hiding WP7 sales figures?
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Because they've been admittedly poorer than they assumed they would have and because the general populace wants an iphone or something that can resemble an iphone because quite frankly they're all sheep.

The joke's on you
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumor-hd7-running-android/

rhn said:
The joke's on you
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumor-hd7-running-android/
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This seems pretty real. At first i thaught it was a HD7 Chinese replica phone,
but in the top right corner it clearly says T-Mobile. I did google translate on
the page, and it says that it is a Chinese cooked ROM. I've read somewhere else
that the cellular functions (and multimedia = camera, music, videos) might not be
working yet, but judging by the current progress, it probably won't be long until
this project gets completed.

It's still pointless to turn ur WP7 power phone into a medicore Android phone with worse batterylife, except just for fun.
The guy did this because in mainland China HD7 is cheaper than HD2.

Well, ok, i somehow agree, but i still think that having an option to do such a thing
(out of fun or whatever ones wishes may be) is not bad at all
Therefore i give thumbs up for this project!
P.S.
If you ask me, I would rather prefer a port to WM 6.1 or 6.5...

Besides the really bad joke-telling skills of the OP (word choice and spelling can make or break a joke), it's obvious Android on WP7 will happen eventually.
I don't know WHY -- what's the point? -- but it will.

[Q] Can Windows phone 7 be put on the original Evo?

I really want a Windows 7 phone but I don't want to abandon Android altogether. I was wondering if I could flash WP7 on my Evo and tinker around with it?

There is a Windows Phone 7 project somewhere within EVO general
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tropicalbrit said:
There is a Windows Phone 7 project somewhere within EVO general
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Any link??

Search
Deck's + SZ + SuperCharger script + ViperMod script.

There's always the "Windows phone Android" launcher on the market if you just wanna dabble without doing too much modding to your phone.
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jayare313 said:
There's always the "Windows phone Android" launcher on the market if you just wanna dabble without doing too much modding to your phone.
Sent from hell.
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No thanks, I want to use an actual, fully functional version of Windows Phone on my Evo.

david black said:
No thanks, I want to use an actual, fully functional version of Windows Phone on my Evo.
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I'm pretty sure it was abandoned awhile ago. Sorry
free the dirk

Just keep android... WP7 isn't that great anyway. Android is way more powerful and easy to use and a WP7 port wouldn't be fully functional anyway.

nickelghandi said:
Just keep android... WP7 isn't that great anyway. Android is way more powerful and easy to use and a WP7 port wouldn't be fully functional anyway.
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Why would you come in here and tell him, "Just keep Android. Don't worry about WP7." If he's like any tech enthusiast, he probably likes to tinker and just experience other operating systems and setup just for the sake of experiencing them. Hell, I do this all the time with computer operating systems.
If he wants to try out WP7, let him try out WP7. Don't tell him, "Just keep Android."

UndeadCircus said:
Why would you come in here and tell him, "Just keep Android. Don't worry about WP7." If he's like any tech enthusiast, he probably likes to tinker and just experience other operating systems and setup just for the sake of experiencing them. Hell, I do this all the time with computer operating systems.
If he wants to try out WP7, let him try out WP7. Don't tell him, "Just keep Android."
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Well Put, #CoSign

Just like you stated your opinion, I am free to state mine. Personally, I like android. I like the custom ROMs available and I use them. As someone who came from WindowsPhone to Android I would not want to go back. I didn't mean to sound like I was against tinkering, it was simply my opinion on that specific subject. If they want to port it then fine lol. I won't try and stop them.
Here is the link to one of the themes available anyway:
https://market.android.com/details?id=info.tikuwarez.launcher3&feature
Here are a couple of threads that were for a WP7 Port:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1214061
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813184
And that is probably as far as it will go.

I do love to tinker and I really think I'd like a windows phone, I just don't want to buy one without playing with it for a week or so to make sure it's a worthy purchase. Perhaps I'll just wait til my contract is up and try a windows phone for 30 days...

david black said:
I do love to tinker and I really think I'd like a windows phone, I just don't want to buy one without playing with it for a week or so to make sure it's a worthy purchase. Perhaps I'll just wait til my contract is up and try a windows phone for 30 days...
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I know a few people that have WP7 Devices and they seem pretty satisfied with them as far as functionality. The OS is closed source though so there isn't much in the way of tinkering. At least not legally. I like the open source code of Android although that is getting too controlled now also by companies like HTC that don't want to allow redistribution of their software. Anyway check out the links I posted in my last comment. The theme from the market is kind of dumb but the other threads I've linked to may be of some help because even though they're old threads some posts in them point to other places where development may be going on currently. I hope I have been more helpful with this post and the one before this than with my first one lol.