Good Morning team, someone knows what could have happened here, I went into a jacuzzi and the water was very hot, apparently the protection glue disluded.
As I can detect that I would be failing to replace it.
The same thing happened to the smartwacth, the screen loosened
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While waiting for your answers, I remain attentive.
Yeah...
Even if your phone is IPx8, you should keep it out of water. Your phone is destroyed. Jacuzzi water is chlorinated; chlorine is corrosive.
Your best bet would be to request a warranty repair, but as an electronics technician, I can guarantee you that any sign of water intrusion and corrosion will result in the warranty claim being denied.
Got it.
There is no way to get the information out ?
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Got it.
There is no way to get the information out ?
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No boot, no nothing. Power down and pull the battery immediately. The rear cover must be pulled and it must be completely dried out. If the water's ph was high it's probably dead already.
If after drying it will boot, grab the data (which you should've backed up redundantly before something unforeseen *giggle* happened) as it will likely eventually die sooner than latter.
Other than that your only other option is a data recovery $ervice. They might be able to recover the data.
It does not start, but when I press volume +- this image that I present below remains:
Here it does not restart alone, it stays the time I leave
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It does not start, but when I press volume +- this image that I present below remains:
Here it does not restart alone, it stays the time I leave
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That's download mode, you can use Odin to flash firmware in that mode
Why haven't you put your phone in a dessicant bag yet? A cheap option is to use regular rice and a sealed Ziploc bag.
A better option would be something like this
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That's download mode, you can use Odin to flash firmware in that mode
Why haven't you put your phone in a dessicant bag yet?
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Because of my lack of knowledge !
alex9111 said:
Because of my lack of knowledge !
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I mean, there's knowledge, then there's common sense. Water isn't supposed to be inside a phone, right? So, you want to do something to get it out.
Power your phone down and put it in a sealed Ziploc bag with a few tablespoons of rice. Leave it alone for at least a week. After you put the phone in the bag, get on Amazon and order yourself something like this.
V0latyle said:
That's download mode, you can use Odin to flash firmware in that mode
Why haven't you put your phone in a dessicant bag yet? A cheap option is to use regular rice and a sealed Ziploc bag.
A better option would be something like this
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I use a little hair dryer, and from there to here it is turning on, but in reality it does nothing.
But I will try to do this today, more or less how many days you recommend me to leave it in the Ziploc?
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I use a little hair dryer, and from there to here it is turning on, but in reality it does nothing.
But I will try to do this today, more or less how many days you recommend me to leave it in the Ziploc?
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You don't want to apply direct heat, you might cause damage.
Depending on how long it was immersed, I would say a week. Make sure you remove anything that is removeable - stylus, SIM card tray, SD card tray, etc. While you're waiting, make sure you order one of those wet phone rescue bags; silica is a more efficient dessicant than rice, and doesn't cause dust.
And, given how accident prone you are around water, you may want to order an extra one or two.
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I mean, there's knowledge, then there's common sense. Water isn't supposed to be inside a phone, right? So, you want to do something to get it out.
Power your phone down and put it in a sealed Ziploc bag with a few tablespoons of rice. Leave it alone for at least a week. After you put the phone in the bag, get on Amazon and order yourself something like this.
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Thank you for your recommendations my friend, I will do everything to the letter as you tell me, I thank you very much
V0latyle said:
You don't want to apply direct heat, you might cause damage.
Depending on how long it was immersed, I would say a week. Make sure you remove anything that is removeable - stylus, SIM card tray, SD card tray, etc. While you're waiting, make sure you order one of those wet phone rescue bags; silica is a more efficient dessicant than rice, and doesn't cause dust.
And, given how accident prone you are around water, you may want to order an extra one or two.
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Copied !
I really appreciate your recommendations
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Thank you for your recommendations my friend, I will do everything to the letter as you tell me, I thank you very much
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Be aware that this may not rescue your phone. If the jacuzzi water had any dissolved minerals, salts, or chlorine, those will likely leave deposits inside your phone as the water dries and cause corrosion. But, let's hope for the best.
V0latyle said:
You don't want to apply direct heat, you might cause damage.
Depending on how long it was immersed, I would say a week. Make sure you remove anything that is removeable - stylus, SIM card tray, SD card tray, etc. While you're waiting, make sure you order one of those wet phone rescue bags; silica is a more efficient dessicant than rice, and doesn't cause dust.
And, given how accident prone you are around water, you may want to order an extra one or two.
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I still hope?
What percentage of 100 would I recover with what I have already shown you?
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Be aware that this may not rescue your phone. If the jacuzzi water had any dissolved minerals, salts, or chlorine, those will likely leave deposits inside your phone as the water dries and cause corrosion. But, let's hope for the best.
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I still hope?
What percentage of 100 would I recover with what I have already shown you?
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There's no way to know. The absolute best thing you could do is take your device to a repair center because they can take it apart, dry it, and remove anything that isn't supposed to be in there. You'll pay out of pocket, so the next best thing you can do without spending a lot of money would be the silica rescue bag.
The most important thing right now is getting all the moisture out. Once we do that, we can move on to trying to get the phone working again.
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There's no way to know. The absolute best thing you could do is take your device to a repair center because they can take it apart, dry it, and remove anything that isn't supposed to be in there. You'll pay out of pocket, so the next best thing you can do without spending a lot of money would be the silica rescue bag.
The most important thing right now is getting all the moisture out. Once we do that, we can move on to trying to get the phone working again.
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Thanks !
It needs to have the rear cover removed asap.
That's the only way to dry it at this point.
Heat* will drive out moisture but all the while it's in there it's causing more damage. It could take weeks using heat alone as these devices aren't vented. As long as the battery is connected corrosion is likely taking place on the always powered circuits. This includes the SOC which is a BGA form factor; all it's pins are under the chipset, inaccessible and a water trap.
*do not use heat with the rear cover on!!! AMOLEDs displays are very susceptible to water damage if any water or vapor finds its way in. It will destroy it... water soluble OLED elements.
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It needs to have the rear cover removed asap.
That's the only way to dry it at this point.
Heat* will drive out moisture but all the while it's in there it's causing more damage. It could take weeks using heat alone as these devices aren't vented. As long as the battery is connected corrosion is likely taking place on the always powered circuits. This includes the SOC which is a BGA form factor; all it's pins are under the chipset, inaccessible and a water trap.
*do not use heat with the rear cover on!!! AMOLEDs displays are very susceptible to water damage if any water or vapor finds its way in. It will destroy it... water soluble OLED elements.
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Yes, I used the heat cautiously.
I already removed the cover, disconnected the battery, at night, I will use the ziploc bag as I get the desiccant bag
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Yes, I used the heat cautiously.
I already removed the cover, disconnected the battery, at night, I will use the ziploc bag as I get the desiccant bag
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Good. Now that the pesky battery is disconnected...
Negative on the desiccant.
Any visible water?
Place on side in a warm/hot, DRY room. Put a strong fan on it to give good airflow. Use a dehumidifier if the air isn't dry. Allow to sit for at least a few days like this.
There are more aggressive things you do but if no water is visible try the above.
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Yup, it took a plunge this morning for about 2-3 seconds. Anyways, right afterwards, I took it all apart and let it dry out for a couple hours. Booted it up and it worked fine but I let it dry for another couple hours to be safe. So I got home from work and used it for a bit and the ONLY thing I noticed is that the headphone icon would come on when I didn't have headphone plugged in to it. Then.....it just went bad. The touchscreen is 100% unresponsive. I can boot in to recovery and all that but I can't do a restore which makes me think my SD card was damaged. It looks like I can still run ADB through my computer if that makes a difference. I'm really trying not to have to get a new phone so right now its in the oven at 100F trying to pull some moisture out. Oh, the camera lens seems to be holding water as well =(
Anyone have any first hand ideas?
I've read on multiple occasions of a little trick with some rice. As I understand it, if you take a large bag of rice (dry/uncooked obviously) and plunge your device into it for a while...the rice will pull the moisture out of the device and hopefully get all things running smoothly again. Never had to try this, but I sure hope one way or the other you get your device up and running.
Oh and i would suggest NOT to turn on and use the device untill you're 100% certain that it's as dry as it's going to get. Just one bead of water on a circuit somewhere can spell disaster for the entire device. Good luck!
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I've read on multiple occasions of a little trick with some rice. As I understand it, if you take a large bag of rice (dry/uncooked obviously) and plunge your device into it for a while...the rice will pull the moisture out of the device and hopefully get all things running smoothly again. Never had to try this, but I sure hope one way or the other you get your device up and running.
Oh and i would suggest NOT to turn on and use the device untill you're 100% certain that it's as dry as it's going to get. Just one bead of water on a circuit somewhere can spell disaster for the entire device. Good luck!
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The rice trick is legit, but I think it's too late
You should have avoided turning it on for at least a day, maybe two or three. Also, now that you're already seeing problems there is likely corrosion already built up, or things got shorted out when you turned it on.
But don't feel bad, the rice trick is usually a long shot.
I'd say go ahead and submit for a replacement and get ready to fork over the $100 deductible (surely you have insurance right?)
try the rice or other similar absorbent material. I'd avoid putting it in the oven...that type of heat would concern me.
the tortoise will win this race...not the hare.
Take out battery
Don't turn on
Rice in Ziplop bag for 2 days -
Worked once for me
the rice thing works. worked for my old iphone. I left it in the rice for a week though. and the screen still had a blotch on it.
Rice, definitely. Do NOT put the battery back in until it is totally dry.
Phederico said:
I've read on multiple occasions of a little trick with some rice. As I understand it, if you take a large bag of rice (dry/uncooked obviously) and plunge your device into it for a while...the rice will pull the moisture out of the device and hopefully get all things running smoothly again. Never had to try this, but I sure hope one way or the other you get your device up and running.
Oh and i would suggest NOT to turn on and use the device untill you're 100% certain that it's as dry as it's going to get. Just one bead of water on a circuit somewhere can spell disaster for the entire device. Good luck!
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thats absolutely right. i recommend this to a buddy that dropped his iPhone in the sink. worked wonders. took him about 3 days total(he wanted to be extra careful)
The rice trick works but I think there is one better. As small a box as possible that will fit your phone and a box of baking soda. The box should be made as air tight as possible, to prevent humidity from spoiling the baking soda's absorbency.
The baking soda does as good a job pulling out the moisture as the rice but it doesn't have the same problems with dust intrusion.
Or you could use the silica beads that come in packets with shoes and the like
Silica beads also known as dessicant it pulls moisture out of anything I work for a packaging company and we sell and use them everywhere when shipping large electronic components over-seas. For anyone who drops their phone into water try the rice if you can't find Silica gel. You can find some Silica gel packets the size of small bean bags at sports authority, or any sporting goods store used for gym bags to suck the moisture and o and moisture hope this helps.
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I have heard (but never tested) that taking the battery out of the device and dunking it in rubbing alcohol helps. The alcohol displaces the water and it dries out extremely fast. It just seems so wrong to intentionally dunk something like an evo though that I dont know if I would have the balls to do it.
The rice sounds legit and much less scary that a redunk
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The rice trick is legit, but I think it's too late
You should have avoided turning it on for at least a day, maybe two or three. Also, now that you're already seeing problems there is likely corrosion already built up, or things got shorted out when you turned it on.
But don't feel bad, the rice trick is usually a long shot.
I'd say go ahead and submit for a replacement and get ready to fork over the $100 deductible (surely you have insurance right?)
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i highly doubt there is any corrosion in less than a day
do the rice thing now and hope for the best
Rice is a placebo. Sorry about offending anybody that thinks it works. The best thing you can do is leave it in front of a fan in the driest possible environment, not seal it.
Probably too late to really help now though. Let it sit and hope. You shouldn't have turned it on so soon either.
Regarding rice. It isn't very absorbant. Leave some rice siting out. It will not change size. Rice is placed in salt shakers to agitate the rice, not remove moisture, like the agitator in a can of paint. It breaks it up when it's shook. That's where the myth/rationalization tends to come from.
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I have heard (but never tested) that taking the battery out of the device and dunking it in rubbing alcohol helps. The alcohol displaces the water and it dries out extremely fast. It just seems so wrong to intentionally dunk something like an evo though that I dont know if I would have the balls to do it.
The rice sounds legit and much less scary that a redunk
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Mixes actually, however the stuff you have laying around your house likely has a lot of water in it. You want the 99% stuff. A full dunk followed by a fan would be beneficial soon after a submersion.
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Or you could use the silica beads that come in packets with shoes and the like
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Silica gel is legit in that it really absorbs water readily unlike rice. However the amount needed to dry a water clogged device isn't feasible for most people to obtain. Moving dry air is still going to be more effective. Silica gel is more for controlling humidity, not for active drying.
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Hmm... these phones use lithium ion batteries right? I don't know if submerging them in liquid is a good idea. When I was in the military I've seen some batteries make some pretty big explosions and I think that's how they did it.
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Hmm... these phones use lithium ion batteries right? I don't know if submerging them in liquid is a good idea. When I was in the military I've seen some batteries make some pretty big explosions and I think that's how they did it.
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Lol, you disassemble as much as possible before any method of course
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You need a massive amount of desiccant. Go buy a bag of "Fresh Step Litter Crystals". You must buy this exact brand and formula.
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This product, and only this product, is 100% silica gel. Put some painter's tape over the usb/hdmi holes, the speakerphone holes, and the ear piece vent. toss it in a plastic bag filled with fresh step crystals and give it a couple days. If you're impatient put it on your window sill where it'll get some sunlight to warm it up a little and help evaporate the water so it can be easily absorbed by the crystals.
I have also heard a trick of putting it on the dash of your car on a hot day... maybe try that too.
These phones are RoHS compliant. That means no lead in the solder. I've seen "cat whiskers" develop on the solder joints within a hour or so post exposure. Get some high grade electrical contact cleaner and scrub the snot all the solder joints then let dry. These little whiskers can grow, and bridge the gap between solder joints and PCB lands. Had to deal with the fallout post flooding after an AC pipe broke in a NYC office rise that flooded three floors. The company had to replace a brand new quarter million dollar laser plotter just due the humidity expose.
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Hi guys.
So, last night I had a can in my pocket. Unfortunately, it was the same pocket that my phone was in Anyway, as I just walked past the gate, it caught it slightly, which caused the can to gash, and start pouring liquid.
I quickly took the phone out of the pocket and ripped the battery out... It was working when I took the battery out, and quickly shook it to try and get all liquid out of the phone. I don't think much got in to it, but there was some. I tried to wipe out as much of the liquid as possible, and the phone has currently been left standing in dry rice overnight.
My question is, was this the right thing to do? As far as I remember it is... But, I also wonder where the liquid indicators are, and what they look like? I know that there is one on the battery at the bottom. On my phone, it is all white... Is this what it looks like when apparantly no water damage has occured? What does it look like when water damage has occured?
Where else are the indicators?
Any info greatly received.
Feel such an idiot for putting them both in the same pocket Hopefully if worst comes to worst, my insurance will cover it. Only other problem is, I only claimed about 3 months ago!!! lol
Also, how long should I leave it in the rice?
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Hi guys.
So, last night I had a can in my pocket. Unfortunately, it was the same pocket that my phone was in Anyway, as I just walked past the gate, it caught it slightly, which caused the can to gash, and start pouring liquid.
I quickly took the phone out of the pocket and ripped the battery out... It was working when I took the battery out, and quickly shook it to try and get all liquid out of the phone. I don't think much got in to it, but there was some. I tried to wipe out as much of the liquid as possible, and the phone has currently been left standing in dry rice overnight.
My question is, was this the right thing to do? As far as I remember it is... But, I also wonder where the liquid indicators are, and what they look like? I know that there is one on the battery at the bottom. On my phone, it is all white... Is this what it looks like when apparantly no water damage has occured? What does it look like when water damage has occured?
Where else are the indicators?
Any info greatly received.
Feel such an idiot for putting them both in the same pocket Hopefully if worst comes to worst, my insurance will cover it. Only other problem is, I only claimed about 3 months ago!!! lol
Also, how long should I leave it in the rice?
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Since it is soda the perfectly right thing whould actually have been to wash the phone in water to get all the suger liquid out of the phone.. But who would do that when they werent absolutely sure the phone actually got soda on the internal parts?
I would have done the same thing as you .. !
I would say you did exactly the right thing by powering off the phone (i.e. taking the battery out) as quickly as possible. Then leave the phone off until you're sure it's all dried out, then you can try to turn it on again.
The moisture indicators start off white and turn pink/red when exposed to water - at least, that's the colour they went on my Touch Pro 2 (whose indicators gradually turned that way over time, even though they hadn't got directly wet).
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I would say you did exactly the right thing by powering off the phone (i.e. taking the battery out) as quickly as possible. Then leave the phone off until you're sure it's all dried out, then you can try to turn it on again.
The moisture indicators start off white and turn pink/red when exposed to water - at least, that's the colour they went on my Touch Pro 2 (whose indicators gradually turned that way over time, even though they hadn't got directly wet).
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Thanks for the vote of confidence
Just been out to get some more rice, as unfortunately, last night I had rice for tea, and only just had enough to barely cover the phone. So, totally covered it now... Hopefully will suck up any last drop of moisture...
As for the indicators, I can see one on the inside under where the battery compartment is, but not sure whether there will be any inside the actual phone, but not opening it up to see...
Will give it until tonight at some point. How long do people think I should give it? A full 24 hours? Would less be ok, or should I give it more?!
I can't see any water indicators other than the one on the bottom of the battery. Which seems slightly odd to me, given that the battery is easily replaceable. Perhaps there are some more underneath the covers inside ?
As for how long to leave it, difficult to say because only you know how much liquid your phone was exposed to. I would err on the side of caution if I was you. You could also put the phone in an airing cupboard or similarly warm place to try and help.
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I can't see any water indicators other than the one on the bottom of the battery. Which seems slightly odd to me, given that the battery is easily replaceable. Perhaps there are some more underneath the covers inside ?
As for how long to leave it, difficult to say because only you know how much liquid your phone was exposed to. I would err on the side of caution if I was you. You could also put the phone in an airing cupboard or similarly warm place to try and help.
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I am quite sure there is one under the battery along the side of the casing too, can't take the battery out mine at the moment to check though.
Take a look at VERKION's breakdown http://tjworld.net/blog/htc-desire-z-tear-down
... there's another circle one under the casing, as well as the one next to the sd that Lenny said.
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Take a look at VERKION's breakdown http://tjworld.net/blog/htc-desire-z-tear-down
... there's another circle one under the casing, as well as the one next to the sd that Lenny said.
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Cheers for the link.
Would that be what look like 2 here (next to bar codes and next to the microsd):
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Are they the only 2, as I don't think any liquid got near them...
Will put the tub in the airing cupboard tonight when I get home... Probably leave till the morning at least...
Those don't look like moisture indicators to me though, I think they're just covering the screws.
I only assumed, I don't know shizzle.
But it looks to me like they stay intact throughout his mod. So I don't think they are screw covers.
.... Just jabbed at mine a bit with a screwdriver, I still think it could be the moisture things, but I cant be sure.
Also, because it looks to be exactly the same type of thing as what's on the battery (albeilt circular, not rectangular), I assume they are the liquid detection things... I originally thought they were screw covers, but then realised that there was the void cover over one of the screws, as shown in the teardown... So, I imagine they are just the moisture detectors...
Someone could always try licking one hehe
ok cool, I assumed they were screw covers, looks like I'm wrong then.
OK, turned phone on. Working fine from what I've tested. Seemed a little sluggish, but dunno whether it's just me thinking it, or it actually is... But, one problem ... The screen appears to have got a little damaged...
Look at the dull/bright contrasts
Looks like it's time to read t&c's of insurance...
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OK, turned phone on. Working fine from what I've tested. Seemed a little sluggish, but dunno whether it's just me thinking it, or it actually is... But, one problem ... The screen appears to have got a little damaged...
Look at the dull/bright contrasts
Looks like it's time to read t&c's of insurance...
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Give it a little time. That's what my wife's phone looked like after spending the night in a room that had some condensation problems (waterdrops literally hanging from the ceiling). It dried out just fine. Of course no dousing in her case, just very humid air that condensed so YMMV.
Dont feel bad, it happens to all of us. A friend of mine put his Vibrant in a bag that had his soda bottle in it. The soda bottle had a leak or something and after maybe 30 minutes, he pulled out his phone and it was drenched...now he owns a MT4G Best mistake he ever made
Anyway, Good luck, I always put my phone in rice after leaving in my pants pocket and sending it through the wash...several times this happend...It just kept ticking - but it was not a smart phone so...
Oh yeah it definitely happens to all of us as some point. I had a brand new HTC Dash (yes this was a while ago). Literally out of the box less than an hour.
I had it sitting in my shirt pocket and bent over in to an engine compartment.
Yes, the phone went flying.
Now this was a pretty clean, large, diesel engine compartment on a boat. Odds should have been on my side. They weren't though.... the phone found a tiny puddle of hydraulic fluid and soaked that stuff up really good before I managed to fish it out. To it's credit it kept on working just fine afterwards but the screen never quite got get rid of the lavalamp look the hydraulic oil caused.
The Dash in question was the replacement for a phone that drowned in the bilge of a dinghy. Boating is hard on phones I guess
lol, thanks for all the support guys...
Guess I'll give it a bit of time to see how things go. Don't think the screen will ever return to normality, as I imagine it's just the sugar that's giving that effect. Working ok though...
Question is, do I wait it out, until I get another issue at all? Or do I just go straight to insurance?! Decisions, decisions
I would be tempted to try disassembling it and cleaning the sceen. You have nothing to loose since you are already doing an insurance claim if it doesn't get better anyway.
i wonder if hair dryer would help at all?
any thoughts on this idea?
Hello, proper panicking put my phone down in some water. What should i do?
Help please...!
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put it in a bag with uncooked rice. forget you own a phone for at least 24 hours.
Ok the rice wont damage it any more will it.
It wasnt in it for long. And it was a very small puddle....[emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]
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Uncooked rice, the more the better, will absorb the moisture. Leave it in long enough, and you should be good to go
Did the phone rest any longer in the water? If yes you should use rice and cotton pad if it wasnt all that long you don't need tovworry about it cause it's splash proof
Do not try to turn it on until the rice absorb the moisture.
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Hello, proper panicking put my phone down in some water. What should i do?
Help please...!
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I wouldn't be that worried buddy, watch this vid. The rice for a day is like a guarantee just to be safe. Chances are its fine though
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I just put it in the airing cup oars seems good. Thanks.
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I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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Damn. If mine broke I'd claim on house insurance. But mine seems OK.
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sam-man said:
I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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That's weird, someone on YouTube dunked their 10 in a bowl of water for like a some amount of minutes and it worked fine afterwards. Not sure if sound was working though.
Ndaoud360 said:
That's weird, someone on YouTube dunked their 10 in a bowl of water for like a some amount of minutes and it worked fine afterwards. Not sure if sound was working though.
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Mine's just gone dead, nothing at all, it heats up if I put it on charge.
I'll call HTC tomorrow to see if I can do a deal of some sort with them.
The rice won't do anything since the water you want it to absorb is inside the phone, where the rice won't reach anyway. The best thing you can do is open the phone up and dry it up with a blow dryer or heat gun. If this is something you can't do or are uncomfortable with doing, putting it in the oven at around 120°f (50°c) is the next best thing.
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mekanismen said:
The rice won't do anything since the water you want it to absorb is inside the phone, where the rice won't reach anyway. The best thing you can do is open the phone up and dry it up with a blow dryer or heat gun. If this is something you can't do or are uncomfortable with doing, putting it in the oven at around 120°f (50°c) is the next best thing.
#killthericemyth
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This Popular Mechanics article contradicts all of your claims:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a3419/dry-out-your-cell-phone/
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With the battery safely set aside, you now have one goal--dry your phone, and dry it fast. If you let the moisture evaporate naturally, the chance of corrosion damaging the phone's innards increases. Instead, blow or suck the water out. But don't use a hair dryer--its heat can fry your phone's insides. Instead, opt for a can of compressed air, an air compressor set to a low psi or a vacuum cleaner (a wet/dry Shop-Vac would be perfect). The idea is to use air to push or pull moisture out through the same channels it entered.
Finally, use a desiccant to wick away any leftover moisture.*The most convenient choice is uncooked rice.*Just leave the phone (and its disconnected battery) submerged in a bowl of grains overnight. If you're worried about rice dust getting inside your phone, you can instead use the packets of silica gel that often come stuffed in the pockets of new clothes. But acting fast is far more important than avoiding a little dust, so don't waste time shopping if you don't already have a drawer full of silica gel.
The most important thing to remember is to avoid heat. That means no hair dryers, ovens, microwaves or extended periods in direct sunlight. While heat will certainly evaporate the moisture, it could also warp components and melt adhesives.
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pidzero said:
This Popular Mechanics article contradicts all of your claims:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a3419/dry-out-your-cell-phone/
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With the battery safely set aside, you now have one goal--dry your phone, and dry it fast. If you let the moisture evaporate naturally, the chance of corrosion damaging the phone's innards increases. Instead, blow or suck the water out. But don't use a hair dryer--its heat can fry your phone's insides. Instead, opt for a can of compressed air, an air compressor set to a low psi or a vacuum cleaner (a wet/dry Shop-Vac would be perfect). The idea is to use air to push or pull moisture out through the same channels it entered.
The key here is, as in so many other cases, common sense. Don't go crazy with a 1200°f heat gun and don't broil your phone.
Finally, use a desiccant to wick away any leftover moisture.*The most convenient choice is uncooked rice.*Just leave the phone (and its disconnected battery) submerged in a bowl of grains overnight. If you're worried about rice dust getting inside your phone, you can instead use the packets of silica gel that often come stuffed in the pockets of new clothes. But acting fast is far more important than avoiding a little dust, so don't waste time shopping if you don't already have a drawer full of silica gel.
The most important thing to remember is to avoid heat. That means no hair dryers, ovens, microwaves or extended periods in direct sunlight. While heat will certainly evaporate the moisture, it could also warp components and melt adhesives.
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Believe what you want; I'm IPC certified and have been doing PCB-repairs for over four years. I'm simply sharing the knowledge you need to best deal with an issue like this.
The only thing that can actually get fried from the heat that a hair dryer produces is the battery. If you for some reason hold the hair dryer ON the battery for an extended period of time. Not that I know why you'd want to do that. Any surface mounted component on the board should be perfectly fine with direct heat up to almost 500°f.
The key here is common sense. Don't go crazy with a 1200°f heat gun and don't broil or microwave your phone.
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Believe what you want;
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The only thing that can actually get fried from the heat that a hair dryer produces is the battery. If you for some reason hold the hair dryer ON the battery for an extended period of time. Not that I know why you'd want to do that. Any surface mounted component on the board should be perfectly fine with direct heat up to almost 500°f.
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I believe that uncooked rice is a desiccant, and can wick-up proximate moisture.
You can stick your phone (battery removed, of course) in the oven at 500°F.
I decline in spite of your "qualifications" on the grounds that 63/37 has a melting point of 370°F [edit]361°F (pardon)[/edit].
If you told me you never messed up a single component by holding the iron on it too long, I wouldn't believe you.
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I believe that uncooked rice is a desiccant, and can wick-up proximate moisture.
You can stick your phone (battery removed, of course) in the oven at 500�°F.
I decline in spite of your "qualifications" on the grounds that 63/37 has a melting point of 370�°F.
If you told me you never messed up a single component by holding the iron on it too long, I wouldn't believe you.
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Proximate moisture as in moisture it is in fact in contact with. The water the rice is able to absorb isn't water that does any harm to the phone anyway, hence the uselessness. Or are you saying that the rice somehow magically sucks the moisture out through the speaker and microphone grills?
63/37 does indeed melt at 370°f, but applying 500°f using a heat gun for a minute or two from a couple of inches distance will not make the solder reach that kind of temperature. I never recommended anyone to put their phone in an oven at 500°f.
If I said that I never messed up a single component by applying too much heat I'd be lying. I've done it too many times to count.
Anyway people, feel free to put your phone in a bag filled with edible seed of your choice , but don't be surprised if starts acting up a couple of days later.
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Proximate moisture as in moisture it is in fact in contact with. The water the rice is able to absorb isn't water that does any harm to the phone anyway, hence the uselessness. Or are you saying that the rice somehow magically sucks the moisture out through the speaker and microphone grills?
63/37 does indeed melt at 370°f, but applying 500°f using a heat gun for a minute or two from a couple of inches distance will not make the solder reach that kind of temperature. I never recommended anyone to put their phone in an oven at 500°f.
If I said that I never messed up a single component by applying too much heat I'd be lying. I've done it too many times to count.
Anyway people, feel free to put your phone in a bag filled with edible seed of your choice , but don't be surprised if starts acting up a couple of days later.
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In hindsight of my original reply to the OP, it would have been wise to include instructions on drying the phone by means of draining through the introduction path and using compressed air. The OP would have benefited from the information.
It is unnecessary for a desiccant to have direct contact with water. If desiccants didn't absorb moisture, they wouldn't be in the packaging of everything from shoes to medicine to electronics.
It is important that most water be eliminated by other means first, but the dry rice will absorb, with time, remaining moisture, just like dry air climates reduce drenching sweat from your body on a hot day.
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In hindsight of my original reply to the OP, it would have been wise to include instructions on drying the phone by means of draining through the introduction path and using compressed air. The OP would have benefited from the information.
It is unnecessary for a desiccant to have direct contact with water. If desiccants didn't absorb moisture, they wouldn't be in the packaging of everything from shoes to medicine to electronics.
It is important that most water be eliminated by other means first, but the dry rice will absorb, with time, remaining moisture, just like dry air climates reduce drenching sweat from your body on a hot day.
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Okay so let's say that the rice somehow WILL absorb the moisture. Even in this case it will work way too slow, things start to corrode within hours (or minutes, dependent on what kind of liquid the phone has been dropped in). You don't want a fix that takes days or weeks, you want the moisture out as soon as possible.
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Okay so let's say that the rice somehow WILL absorb the moisture. Even in this case it will work way too slow, things start to corrode within hours (or minutes, dependent on what kind of liquid the phone has been dropped in). You don't want a fix that takes days or weeks, you want the moisture out as soon as possible.
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I admit, I would like to get to the bottom of this.
After some more research, I agree, it may take more time than ideal.
Cat litter has even more drying power than rice. Its cheap and readily available.
Infact, the article I get that info from http://smartphones.wonderhowto.com/...st-way-save-your-water-damaged-phone-0154799/ places uncooked rice low on their list of drying power:
The Sponge Test
Pre-weighed sponges soaked with water (and then weighed again) were used in this experiment.
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Each sponge was placed on top of wax paper, to prevent direct contact with the drying agents, since in a smartphone, there is normally no direct contact with the drying agent.
Uncooked White Rice Ain't Cutting It
After 24 hours, the sponges were weighed again to see how much weight had been lost. And would you believe it—according to the results, uncooked white rice placed dead last in effectiveness as a drying agent. Here's the list, from best to worst.
Open-air sponge - 7.6 mL lost
Silica gel - 6.1 mL lost
Cat litter - 5.5 mL lost
Instant couscous - 5.0 mL lost
Instant rice - 5.0 mL lost
Instant oatmeal - 5.0 mL lost
Uncooked white rice - 4.0 mL lost
Sealed-container sponge - 0.7 mL lost
Cat litter, instant couscous, instant rice, and instant oatmeal all performed better than uncooked white rice—everyone's favorite damn drying agent.
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I rescind my argument for rice. I give you credit for calling it pretty much useless. There are better desiccant alternatives.
Personally, I'd rather use cat litter than blow-dryer--not because I argue that it works better, but that I have cat litter, and no blow-dryer.
We agree that 500°F in the oven is ill-advised, and I am glad for that.
My Phone(OnePlus 3) Was Sinked Accidentally & Now My Phone Won't Turn On...
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My Phone(OnePlus 3) Was Sinked Accidentally & Now My Phone Won't Turn On...
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Put it in a bag of rice, it might work.
I heard putting it in destilled water does help ro wash out the minerals from regular water. And after that let it dry some time.
But better google that again yourself before im telling bull**** here.
i just wanted to give my experience with electronics in water.
If you submerge your device in water the first few hours are critical. First you must power down the device and if so remove the battery doing so might prevent a short and kill the device. If you can, rise the phone with distilled water. (Its not the liquid that kills electronics its the minerals in water that will cause the short. ) Shake any water you can out of the device. If you have access to desiccant packs, like the ones you find in beef jerky or new shoes. place them in a sealed container. if you dont have access to them, you can use rice but this will not be as effective as actual desiccant. Allow a lot of time for the moisture to evaporate. its going to take a while because the phone is semi sealed and its hard for water vapor to escape.
Enjoy your Oneplus 5!
Guysss! My Drowned Oneplus 3 Is Back to life... But the issue is rear camera and capacitive buttons are unfunctional.
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Guysss! My Drowned Oneplus 3 Is Back to life... But the issue is rear camera and capacitive buttons are unfunctional.
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Keep it in there a little longer I would say... Distilled water might safe your camera.. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the contact points.
A lil longer is not two hours btw. We talk about 2-3 days of waiting.
Buddiess... Finally My phone recovered only thing , the recent capacitive button ain't working .. other than that no issues with it... thanks for your help guys!
Seems like waiting and not risking the phone to die completely is impossible here... Good luck then.
Greetings, I know this post may sound absurd for some people, however, I play sometimes with my Pixel 6 Pro, and I experience some heat, I'm talking about 43-46° battery temp, what I do to avoid this is putting my case in the freezer for like 10-15m, and then put it back on for 5-10 minutes, then back to the freezer and so, with this I avoid heating and any thermal throttling at all, that's only less than a minute break every 15 or so mins.
Some results are:
41.9 degrees before doing it (without any case)
34.6 degrees after 2 minutes with the freezing cold case on, gaming, did not stop using the device
Buying a fan for the device is an option, but this is free, for some time this has been my way to cool down this and other devices.
Justarandomguy said:
Greetings, I know this post may sound absurd for some people, however, I play sometimes with my Pixel 6 Pro, and I experience some heat, I'm talking about 43-46° battery temp, what I do to avoid this is putting my case in the freezer for like 10-15m, and then put it back on for 5-10 minutes, then back to the freezer and so, with this I avoid heating and any thermal throttling at all, that's only less than a minute break every 15 or so mins.
Some results are:
41.9 degrees before doing it (without any case)
34.6 degrees after 2 minutes with the freezing cold case on, gaming, did not stop using the device
Buying a fan for the device is an option, but this is free, for some time this has been my way to cool down this and other devices.
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might as well just put the phone in the fridge lmao
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might as well just put the phone in the fridge lmao
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Li batteries should never be charged below 40F.
Temperature extremes aren't good for the mobo and solder especially no lead solders get brittle when cold. The freezer treatment sounds like a bad plan...
Otherwise...
If the air is dry cradling it a damp microfiber cloth does the trick... desert survival.
A reusable gel ice pack?
I hold mine in front of the AC in the car if I have been using and it's hot.
Otherwise I just put it down a few minutes and walk away
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might as well just put the phone in the fridge lmao
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it may be bad for some fridges to do so, at least on some cheap ones, this way also allows you to continue playing and there is no need to stop
blackhawk said:
Li batteries should never be charged below 40F.
Temperature extremes aren't good for the mobo and solder especially no lead solders get brittle when cold. The freezer treatment sounds like a bad plan...
Otherwise...
If the air is dry cradling it a damp microfiber cloth does the trick... desert survival.
A reusable gel ice pack?
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Do you think the case in the freezer thing is a bad one? I've been doing that for years and worked well, had devices for like 2-3 years and they worked fine, however I don't want to expose my device to bad things, if there is any risk I'll stop doing that.
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it may be bad for some fridges to do so, at least on some cheap ones, this way also allows you to continue playing and there is no need to stop
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true, i was thinking that would be useful for benchmarks where u dont have to touch the phone after starting it
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true, i was thinking that would be useful for benchmarks where u dont have to touch the phone after starting it
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Yeah, that should work well, but if you have the phone at good temp and you do the case thing you will end the benchmark with a lower temp than before starting it, but yeah, it works
Justarandomguy said:
Do you think the case in the freezer thing is a bad one? I've been doing that for years and worked well, had devices for like 2-3 years and they worked fine, however I don't want to expose my device to bad things, if there is any risk I'll stop doing that.
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Those low temperature extremes probably aren't needed to effectively cool the device. Phone manufacturers are exempt from the leaded solder ban but may comply if they wish to. More temperature extremes mean more component expansion and contraction, in time it could cause a solder joint failure. Not an issue unless it fails...
Another potential problem could be the case it's self. My case's inner liner is stiff at room temperature and more so if cooled. As a result I'm careful taking on and off even warming it up to do so, and don't do it excessively. As best I can tell it doesn't flex the phone doing this as that could end badly.
Moisture condensation is another potential issue. Always assume a IP68 rated phone will leak, keep them dry. Including using a damp microfiber cloth... make sure it's damp not wet.
Forced air cooling is the safest. I try not to expose my phone to excessive temperatures as that's something somewhat within my control. I protect it in the winter and try to keep it at least 60F whenever possible.
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Those low temperature extremes probably aren't needed to effectively cool the device. Phone manufacturers are exempt from the leaded solder ban but may comply if they wish to. More temperature extremes mean more component expansion and contraction, in time it could cause a solder joint failure. Not an issue unless it fails...
Another potential problem could be the case it's self. My case's inner liner is stiff at room temperature and more so if cooled. As a result I'm careful taking on and off even warming it up to do so, and don't do it excessively. As best I can tell it doesn't flex the phone doing this as that could end badly.
Moisture condensation is another potential issue. Always assume a IP68 rated phone will leak, keep them dry. Including using a damp microfiber cloth... make sure it's damp not wet.
Forced air cooling is the safest. I try not to expose my phone to excessive temperatures as that's something somewhat within my control. I protect it in the winter and try to keep it at least 60F whenever possible.
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Oh yeah, that's the safe and how should it be done way, at least here for me it doesn't get wet or so, it comes out cold to the touch, but yep humidity and so can really mess things up, you really know a lot and explained it well, it's nice to see comments like this, thanks for your time and explanation
Me that was thinking it was cool...
Justarandomguy said:
Oh yeah, that's the safe and how should it be done way, at least here for me it doesn't get wet or so, it comes out cold to the touch, but yep humidity and so can really mess things up, you really know a lot and explained it well, it's nice to see comments like this, thanks for your time and explanation
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You're welcome.
A gel cold pack with a cotton shop cloth in between might be easier and work better.
A continuous cold supply with 2 or more rotating.
Everything in life is temporary and we like everything around us are just passing through. Use what works best for you in that allotted time frame. It's fked up... use whatever comes in handy.
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You're welcome.
A gel cold pack with a cotton shop cloth in between might be easier and work better.
A continuous cold supply with 2 or more rotating.
Everything in life is temporary and we like everything around us are just passing through. Use what works best for you in that allotted time frame. It's fked up... use whatever comes in handy.
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I can try that, I have something like that here to try, the next time I experience strong heat I will do it, thanks!