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[Q] Liquid Damage on phone?!

Hi guys.
So, last night I had a can in my pocket. Unfortunately, it was the same pocket that my phone was in Anyway, as I just walked past the gate, it caught it slightly, which caused the can to gash, and start pouring liquid.
I quickly took the phone out of the pocket and ripped the battery out... It was working when I took the battery out, and quickly shook it to try and get all liquid out of the phone. I don't think much got in to it, but there was some. I tried to wipe out as much of the liquid as possible, and the phone has currently been left standing in dry rice overnight.
My question is, was this the right thing to do? As far as I remember it is... But, I also wonder where the liquid indicators are, and what they look like? I know that there is one on the battery at the bottom. On my phone, it is all white... Is this what it looks like when apparantly no water damage has occured? What does it look like when water damage has occured?
Where else are the indicators?
Any info greatly received.
Feel such an idiot for putting them both in the same pocket Hopefully if worst comes to worst, my insurance will cover it. Only other problem is, I only claimed about 3 months ago!!! lol
Also, how long should I leave it in the rice?

lovelldr said:
Hi guys.
So, last night I had a can in my pocket. Unfortunately, it was the same pocket that my phone was in Anyway, as I just walked past the gate, it caught it slightly, which caused the can to gash, and start pouring liquid.
I quickly took the phone out of the pocket and ripped the battery out... It was working when I took the battery out, and quickly shook it to try and get all liquid out of the phone. I don't think much got in to it, but there was some. I tried to wipe out as much of the liquid as possible, and the phone has currently been left standing in dry rice overnight.
My question is, was this the right thing to do? As far as I remember it is... But, I also wonder where the liquid indicators are, and what they look like? I know that there is one on the battery at the bottom. On my phone, it is all white... Is this what it looks like when apparantly no water damage has occured? What does it look like when water damage has occured?
Where else are the indicators?
Any info greatly received.
Feel such an idiot for putting them both in the same pocket Hopefully if worst comes to worst, my insurance will cover it. Only other problem is, I only claimed about 3 months ago!!! lol
Also, how long should I leave it in the rice?
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Since it is soda the perfectly right thing whould actually have been to wash the phone in water to get all the suger liquid out of the phone.. But who would do that when they werent absolutely sure the phone actually got soda on the internal parts?
I would have done the same thing as you .. !

I would say you did exactly the right thing by powering off the phone (i.e. taking the battery out) as quickly as possible. Then leave the phone off until you're sure it's all dried out, then you can try to turn it on again.
The moisture indicators start off white and turn pink/red when exposed to water - at least, that's the colour they went on my Touch Pro 2 (whose indicators gradually turned that way over time, even though they hadn't got directly wet).

steviewevie said:
I would say you did exactly the right thing by powering off the phone (i.e. taking the battery out) as quickly as possible. Then leave the phone off until you're sure it's all dried out, then you can try to turn it on again.
The moisture indicators start off white and turn pink/red when exposed to water - at least, that's the colour they went on my Touch Pro 2 (whose indicators gradually turned that way over time, even though they hadn't got directly wet).
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Thanks for the vote of confidence
Just been out to get some more rice, as unfortunately, last night I had rice for tea, and only just had enough to barely cover the phone. So, totally covered it now... Hopefully will suck up any last drop of moisture...
As for the indicators, I can see one on the inside under where the battery compartment is, but not sure whether there will be any inside the actual phone, but not opening it up to see...
Will give it until tonight at some point. How long do people think I should give it? A full 24 hours? Would less be ok, or should I give it more?!

I can't see any water indicators other than the one on the bottom of the battery. Which seems slightly odd to me, given that the battery is easily replaceable. Perhaps there are some more underneath the covers inside ?
As for how long to leave it, difficult to say because only you know how much liquid your phone was exposed to. I would err on the side of caution if I was you. You could also put the phone in an airing cupboard or similarly warm place to try and help.

steviewevie said:
I can't see any water indicators other than the one on the bottom of the battery. Which seems slightly odd to me, given that the battery is easily replaceable. Perhaps there are some more underneath the covers inside ?
As for how long to leave it, difficult to say because only you know how much liquid your phone was exposed to. I would err on the side of caution if I was you. You could also put the phone in an airing cupboard or similarly warm place to try and help.
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I am quite sure there is one under the battery along the side of the casing too, can't take the battery out mine at the moment to check though.

Take a look at VERKION's breakdown http://tjworld.net/blog/htc-desire-z-tear-down
... there's another circle one under the casing, as well as the one next to the sd that Lenny said.

ddotpatel said:
Take a look at VERKION's breakdown http://tjworld.net/blog/htc-desire-z-tear-down
... there's another circle one under the casing, as well as the one next to the sd that Lenny said.
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Cheers for the link.
Would that be what look like 2 here (next to bar codes and next to the microsd):
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Are they the only 2, as I don't think any liquid got near them...
Will put the tub in the airing cupboard tonight when I get home... Probably leave till the morning at least...

Those don't look like moisture indicators to me though, I think they're just covering the screws.

I only assumed, I don't know shizzle.
But it looks to me like they stay intact throughout his mod. So I don't think they are screw covers.
.... Just jabbed at mine a bit with a screwdriver, I still think it could be the moisture things, but I cant be sure.

Also, because it looks to be exactly the same type of thing as what's on the battery (albeilt circular, not rectangular), I assume they are the liquid detection things... I originally thought they were screw covers, but then realised that there was the void cover over one of the screws, as shown in the teardown... So, I imagine they are just the moisture detectors...
Someone could always try licking one hehe

ok cool, I assumed they were screw covers, looks like I'm wrong then.

OK, turned phone on. Working fine from what I've tested. Seemed a little sluggish, but dunno whether it's just me thinking it, or it actually is... But, one problem ... The screen appears to have got a little damaged...
Look at the dull/bright contrasts
Looks like it's time to read t&c's of insurance...

lovelldr said:
OK, turned phone on. Working fine from what I've tested. Seemed a little sluggish, but dunno whether it's just me thinking it, or it actually is... But, one problem ... The screen appears to have got a little damaged...
Look at the dull/bright contrasts
Looks like it's time to read t&c's of insurance...
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Give it a little time. That's what my wife's phone looked like after spending the night in a room that had some condensation problems (waterdrops literally hanging from the ceiling). It dried out just fine. Of course no dousing in her case, just very humid air that condensed so YMMV.

Dont feel bad, it happens to all of us. A friend of mine put his Vibrant in a bag that had his soda bottle in it. The soda bottle had a leak or something and after maybe 30 minutes, he pulled out his phone and it was drenched...now he owns a MT4G Best mistake he ever made
Anyway, Good luck, I always put my phone in rice after leaving in my pants pocket and sending it through the wash...several times this happend...It just kept ticking - but it was not a smart phone so...

Oh yeah it definitely happens to all of us as some point. I had a brand new HTC Dash (yes this was a while ago). Literally out of the box less than an hour.
I had it sitting in my shirt pocket and bent over in to an engine compartment.
Yes, the phone went flying.
Now this was a pretty clean, large, diesel engine compartment on a boat. Odds should have been on my side. They weren't though.... the phone found a tiny puddle of hydraulic fluid and soaked that stuff up really good before I managed to fish it out. To it's credit it kept on working just fine afterwards but the screen never quite got get rid of the lavalamp look the hydraulic oil caused.
The Dash in question was the replacement for a phone that drowned in the bilge of a dinghy. Boating is hard on phones I guess

lol, thanks for all the support guys...
Guess I'll give it a bit of time to see how things go. Don't think the screen will ever return to normality, as I imagine it's just the sugar that's giving that effect. Working ok though...
Question is, do I wait it out, until I get another issue at all? Or do I just go straight to insurance?! Decisions, decisions

I would be tempted to try disassembling it and cleaning the sceen. You have nothing to loose since you are already doing an insurance claim if it doesn't get better anyway.

i wonder if hair dryer would help at all?
any thoughts on this idea?

Water Damage

We've all seen the various posts of HELP I HAVE WATER DAMAGE. In fact a global search of XDA will net you with a LOT of posts asking for help.
Everything from I dropped it in the snow, to my kid put it in the toilet, and my personal favorite, I was listening to music while in the shower and it vibrated itself into the toilet. :good:
But in all these cases the poster is asking what to do, their beloved device won't power on and they have something "important" that they forgot to back up and need off of the device.
I've seen such things as put it into a bag of rice (usually about a 25% chance of recovery), and wrap it in paper towels. Even 1 suggested to put it in the microwave.
Lets put some of these myth's do rest shall we. Lets start with the microwave. DUDE WTH are you thinking? Electronics, microwave, BAD IDEA! No ten seconds, no 5 seconds, not even 1 second. You are just begging for BAD to happen, DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT!
Wrap the device in paper towels, while YES paper towels are absorbent, they are NOT going to get the water out from the inside of the device, no matter how "open" you have it.
Putting the device in a bag or jar of flour. AGAIN BAD IDEA! While YES flour is very good at pulling moisture it is just going to cake up and actually cause even MORE damage to the device.
Hair dryer, Ok this does have SOME merit, but again heat to an electronic device is not something that you REALLY want. Especially with many devices being made of plastic now days. This will end up with permanent fogging of the glass and render the device virtually unusable.
Rice Rice Baby....duh nah nuh nuh nah nuh nuh, put it in a bag of white rice baby. Rice is a FOOD, while it does react to water well, it is not a very good idea, but then again it is a FAR CRY better then the ones above. This could work, but I would rather leave the device as open to the air as possible and let it air dry for a week then put an electronic device into a bag of rice.
Silica Jell, Silica Jell WILL pull moisture out of the air, and in fact in an enclosed space such as a zip locking bag, they work VERY WELL at pulling moisture out of electronic devices. Now I've heard of complaints about how expensive these little baggies are to the average consumer, but NO they are not.
You say you can't afford to buy silica jell packs? Well why not? Many of you are married, and have had to take that HORRID trip to the shoe store. Instead of just playing with your phone or what ever, while your wife is off looking at some new pumps or heels that she "needs," go up to a store clerk and ask them if they have any of the little bags of silica sitting around. Tell them what you need it for, and 9 out of 10 times you will walk out of the shoe store with not just new shoes for your wife, but a FREE insurance policy for your beloved electronic devices.
Hit up several shoe stores, get yourself a bag full of them. Get them home and hide them away. I prefer to put them into a vacuum seal jar and vacuum seal the jar closed. This does a couple things. It keeps the silica jell from absorbing any free moisture in the air, and often makes it so that little hands won't mess with them. All in all you want about 200 of the little baggies. WHY. Because I told you to, no really the reason is, that some will already be full, and others will not, you just never know for certain.
When that inevitable moment comes that you need to recover from your arse hole brother in law pushing you into the pool with your new device, open that jar up, grab a zip locking type bag, drop your device in it, then cover that sucker with all you can fit. Leave your device in the bag for AT LEAST 3 days with the battery out and all in the bag. let those little insurance policies do their job for you. There is of course a level of failure in this but it is by far more effective then any of the above posted "methods."
I did a personal test over the last 2 weeks with an old HTC Tilt. That dad burned thing has been sitting in my desk for a couple years now BEGGING to have something done to it. Well now it did.
I filled a mixing bowl with water and turned the phone on, and waited for it to get done booting up. Once it was done I dropped it into the bowl and waited 5 seconds. Reached in, grabbed it out and yanked the back off and took the battery out. Put the phone, battery, back and all into a zip locking type bag, and removed the sim card and sd card. Opened up my handy dandy jar of silica jell packs and poured them into the bag.
I zipped it closed and left the phone in there for 5 days. Pulled it out, and looked over the phone. YES the water indicator had been tripped I put the battery back in, put the back on, put in the sim card, and pressed the power button. Then out of no where I heard my phone come to life, and the screen was just fine. The phone has been sitting plugged into a wall socket and left on for 5 days now. So far no issues, not even a speaker issue.
After I pulled the Tilt out of the bag, I decided WHY NOT, and dropped my old Tilt 2 into a bowl of water and did the same thing. And now, it too is sitting plugged in to a wall socket and left on for a couple days. Only issue with it so far is that it OCCASIONALLY has a bit of "static" with certain alert tones.
So here I sit with a 100% success rate for 2 devices intentionally put into what would normally be the end of life for an electronic device.
So do yourself a favor, and get a bunch of those little baggies and save them up for when you need them. I would however recommend replacing the ENTIRE LOT of them every few months, even if you have them vacuum sealed. Why, because i told you to. No, really, it is because everything has some sort of expiration. Better to keep them refreshed then to find out that you didn't change them out 2 years ago and they absorbed all the moisture out of the air in the bathroom where you hid them.

Rice is hygroscopic and works just fine as a drying agent since you're not drying your phone for a month. better than open air.
gel, not jell

I got a cracked up screen, i'm really hoping I don't have to fight water damage... (i know how to replace the glass and I plan on doing it sometime sorta soon)
I think I'd prefer cracked screen to water damage if I had to pick.
Way back when I had a little iPod nano that went into the wash with and old Samsung flip phone the phone died but the iPod survived. I had put them in front of a wall heater, basically equivalent to a hair dryer i guess.
just be smart don't get your phone wet
OH any thoughts on Liquipel? http://www.liquipel.com/
sounds like they use a vacuum to coat everything inside.
I'd be interested to try some of NeverWet's product with my vacuum pump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7is6r6zXFDc
http://www.neverwet.com/index.php
But it sounds like they aren't in production yet.

Ok. My wife dropped her two week old GS3 in the toilet and few weeks back. She claims it started making weird noises and the screen was flashing. She turned it off and let it dry out in the sun. A couple of hours later she returned home and I turned it on. There was a green hue to the screen.The touch screen was unresponsive. I turned it off and took out the battery, sd card and sim card. I shook the phone and felt some water come out. We put the phone in a zip lock bag filled with rice and a handful of those little descicant packets. Her idea. We let the phone sit there for around 36 hours. We then turned it back on and everything did and still does work fine.
I doubt the rice or packets actually did anything. I think just giving it time to dry was all that was needed. Just my personal experience.
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jjm3175 said:
I doubt the rice or packets actually did anything. I think just giving it time to dry was all that was needed. Just my personal experience.
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The rice and silica absolutely did something - its the chemical equivalent of vacuuming the moisture out of every nook and cranny. You'll never air dry it as much.
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Silca gel does 999x better then air drying,it even takes the moisture from water spots. Do not air dry please. You will build corrosion from water and oxygen on electronic parts
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Saiboogu said:
The rice and silica absolutely did something - its the chemical equivalent of vacuuming the moisture out of every nook and cranny. You'll never air dry it as much.
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+1
The air in your home has some moisture/humidity already, making air drying much less effective than silica gel or rice.

I guess I should be thankful for my wife's shoe buying habit since I'm the one who paid for the phone lol.
Good thread.
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H815 - Dropped in water. Stuck in "Firmware Update".

My slippery fingers dropped the G4 in water (not salt water). Removed the battery as quick as I could and put the phone, battery into a rice bowl. Booted it up after about an hour and it's just showing me "Firmware Update" without a USB cable plugged in.
I haven't tried flashing it to anything just yet. Is it possible that the water might got somewhere into the USB port and making the phone think it's in download mode? I'm gonna dump it in the rice bowl for a few more hours.
Edit - The liquid contact indicator above the SD card is still white. The LCI on the battery is red thou.

Try replacing battery first

bender_007 said:
Try replacing battery first
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Thanks for the advice. Now it's booting fine with both batteries (I had one extra that wasn't water damaged).
I think there's still some water left in the headphone jack since the G4 thinks it's plugged into an audio out device. I've tried cleaning the hole with some very soft cloth but no change. If I blow hard enough into the jack, it'll momentarily come out of that mode just to go back soon as I stop. I guess I just have to wait a few more hours.
Edit - When blowing air into the headphone jack, LG Voice Mate app comes up. Rather weird.

Sadly yes, it´s a known issue, first when they see the headphones they will think the phone was skinny diving

I'd like to take this opportunity to advise people not to put their phones in a bag of rice. You don't put your laundry in a bag of rice to dry it, you hang it up in a warm area with moving air. The rice and bag will keep the water in your phone longer than drying it in the sun. It works eventually, but it isn't as good as putting it on your heating vent or just in a sunny spot. By the way, I don't recommend a clothes dryer.

bender_007 said:
Sadly yes, it´s a known issue, first when they see the headphones they will think the phone was skinny diving
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After a few more hours of rest near in a dry, warm place, the jack is back in service. Hopefully no more crazy jack again.
The battery with red LCI seems to be working fine still. Should I retire it completely?
Robert18 said:
I'd like to take this opportunity to advise people not to put their phones in a bag of rice. You don't put your laundry in a bag of rice to dry it, you hang it up in a warm area with moving air. The rice and bag will keep the water in your phone longer than drying it in the sun. It works eventually, but there's it isn't as good as putting it on your heating vent or just in a sunny spot. By the way, I don't recommend a clothes dryer.
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Rice always seems to have worked for me. Anyway, I chose a sunny spot later on.

I have heard the opposite about rice - it is better than putting your phone on heater or using hair dryer. The best solution would be to put it in an airtight bag with silica gel (those small, white paper packages that come with your newly purchased bags and shoes).

You and everyone else have heard the same thing, but testing has shown that putting your wet phone in a bag of rice will keep it wet longer than just putting it on a counter (that's not in a locker room). And it makes sense, compare putting a wet sock in a sealed bag of rice (or silica) and another hanging somewhere, like over a heating vent. In one you've sealed the moisture in a bag, in the other you're letting heat evaporate the water and providing air to take the moisture away. It's a myth that a bag of rice is helping you.

Throwing my rice experience in here. It is TRUE. Rice does work and absorbs the moisture. My son took a swim (SWIM!) with his Atrix 4G in the DEEP END of the pool. He immediately disassembled it as I've told him to. We got rice and a bag, completely submerged in the rice and put ALL pieces (except the back) in it for 5 days in the window of our house that got sunlight. After 5 days, the Atrix booted up as good as before the swim. The trick is to disassemble right away AND DO NOT TRY TO POWER IT ON FOR MINIMUM 3 DAYS! We also shook it out until no more water was coming out of any holes. So to those skeptics, you're wrong, it does work if you have patience.

I don't doubt that a phone which has been wet, then put into a bag of rice, will eventually dry. My point is that it would have dried much faster if you had done something else. Just because your phone worked after putting it in rice, doesn't mean the rice helped you, it just means it didn't hurt enough to keep the phone from recovering. Again, try wetting 2 socks, then put one in a bag of rice, and one on a clothes line. The one on the clothes line will dry faster, but maybe the one in the rice will eventually dry also. Most people don't want to wait 5 days for their laundry, so we've found better ways of getting water out of objects.
Water will hurt your electronics in a few ways, one is that it is the universal solvent and may dissolve something (like a glue or flux) if left there too long. But most likely the biggest issue is that it conducts electricity if it has enough minerals in it. If the phone is on when it gets wet and the water has high mineral content, it's possible that some parts will just short circuit and burn out some. If most of the electronics are off, then the biggest problem is the left over residual minerals that will stick to phone parts and conduct electricity where it shouldn't, but that depends on how hard your water is. In some cases, you'd be better off washing the phone in deionized water which doesn't conduct electricity and is used in cleaning electronics.

Just stood my phone up usb port and speaker in puddle of water

Hello, proper panicking put my phone down in some water. What should i do?
Help please...!
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put it in a bag with uncooked rice. forget you own a phone for at least 24 hours.

Ok the rice wont damage it any more will it.
It wasnt in it for long. And it was a very small puddle....[emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]
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Uncooked rice, the more the better, will absorb the moisture. Leave it in long enough, and you should be good to go

Did the phone rest any longer in the water? If yes you should use rice and cotton pad if it wasnt all that long you don't need tovworry about it cause it's splash proof

Do not try to turn it on until the rice absorb the moisture.
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nathlynn22 said:
Hello, proper panicking put my phone down in some water. What should i do?
Help please...!
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I wouldn't be that worried buddy, watch this vid. The rice for a day is like a guarantee just to be safe. Chances are its fine though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzh6ypmNwSg

I just put it in the airing cup oars seems good. Thanks.
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I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.

sam-man said:
I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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Damn. If mine broke I'd claim on house insurance. But mine seems OK.
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sam-man said:
I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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That's weird, someone on YouTube dunked their 10 in a bowl of water for like a some amount of minutes and it worked fine afterwards. Not sure if sound was working though.

Ndaoud360 said:
That's weird, someone on YouTube dunked their 10 in a bowl of water for like a some amount of minutes and it worked fine afterwards. Not sure if sound was working though.
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Mine's just gone dead, nothing at all, it heats up if I put it on charge.
I'll call HTC tomorrow to see if I can do a deal of some sort with them.

The rice won't do anything since the water you want it to absorb is inside the phone, where the rice won't reach anyway. The best thing you can do is open the phone up and dry it up with a blow dryer or heat gun. If this is something you can't do or are uncomfortable with doing, putting it in the oven at around 120°f (50°c) is the next best thing.
#killthericemyth

mekanismen said:
The rice won't do anything since the water you want it to absorb is inside the phone, where the rice won't reach anyway. The best thing you can do is open the phone up and dry it up with a blow dryer or heat gun. If this is something you can't do or are uncomfortable with doing, putting it in the oven at around 120°f (50°c) is the next best thing.
#killthericemyth
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This Popular Mechanics article contradicts all of your claims:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a3419/dry-out-your-cell-phone/
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With the battery safely set aside, you now have one goal--dry your phone, and dry it fast. If you let the moisture evaporate naturally, the chance of corrosion damaging the phone's innards increases. Instead, blow or suck the water out. But don't use a hair dryer--its heat can fry your phone's insides. Instead, opt for a can of compressed air, an air compressor set to a low psi or a vacuum cleaner (a wet/dry Shop-Vac would be perfect). The idea is to use air to push or pull moisture out through the same channels it entered.
Finally, use a desiccant to wick away any leftover moisture.*The most convenient choice is uncooked rice.*Just leave the phone (and its disconnected battery) submerged in a bowl of grains overnight. If you're worried about rice dust getting inside your phone, you can instead use the packets of silica gel that often come stuffed in the pockets of new clothes. But acting fast is far more important than avoiding a little dust, so don't waste time shopping if you don't already have a drawer full of silica gel.
The most important thing to remember is to avoid heat. That means no hair dryers, ovens, microwaves or extended periods in direct sunlight. While heat will certainly evaporate the moisture, it could also warp components and melt adhesives.
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pidzero said:
This Popular Mechanics article contradicts all of your claims:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a3419/dry-out-your-cell-phone/
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With the battery safely set aside, you now have one goal--dry your phone, and dry it fast. If you let the moisture evaporate naturally, the chance of corrosion damaging the phone's innards increases. Instead, blow or suck the water out. But don't use a hair dryer--its heat can fry your phone's insides. Instead, opt for a can of compressed air, an air compressor set to a low psi or a vacuum cleaner (a wet/dry Shop-Vac would be perfect). The idea is to use air to push or pull moisture out through the same channels it entered.
The key here is, as in so many other cases, common sense. Don't go crazy with a 1200°f heat gun and don't broil your phone.
Finally, use a desiccant to wick away any leftover moisture.*The most convenient choice is uncooked rice.*Just leave the phone (and its disconnected battery) submerged in a bowl of grains overnight. If you're worried about rice dust getting inside your phone, you can instead use the packets of silica gel that often come stuffed in the pockets of new clothes. But acting fast is far more important than avoiding a little dust, so don't waste time shopping if you don't already have a drawer full of silica gel.
The most important thing to remember is to avoid heat. That means no hair dryers, ovens, microwaves or extended periods in direct sunlight. While heat will certainly evaporate the moisture, it could also warp components and melt adhesives.
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Believe what you want; I'm IPC certified and have been doing PCB-repairs for over four years. I'm simply sharing the knowledge you need to best deal with an issue like this.
The only thing that can actually get fried from the heat that a hair dryer produces is the battery. If you for some reason hold the hair dryer ON the battery for an extended period of time. Not that I know why you'd want to do that. Any surface mounted component on the board should be perfectly fine with direct heat up to almost 500°f.
The key here is common sense. Don't go crazy with a 1200°f heat gun and don't broil or microwave your phone.

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Believe what you want;
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The only thing that can actually get fried from the heat that a hair dryer produces is the battery. If you for some reason hold the hair dryer ON the battery for an extended period of time. Not that I know why you'd want to do that. Any surface mounted component on the board should be perfectly fine with direct heat up to almost 500°f.
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I believe that uncooked rice is a desiccant, and can wick-up proximate moisture.
You can stick your phone (battery removed, of course) in the oven at 500°F.
I decline in spite of your "qualifications" on the grounds that 63/37 has a melting point of 370°F [edit]361°F (pardon)[/edit].
If you told me you never messed up a single component by holding the iron on it too long, I wouldn't believe you.

pidzero said:
I believe that uncooked rice is a desiccant, and can wick-up proximate moisture.
You can stick your phone (battery removed, of course) in the oven at 500�°F.
I decline in spite of your "qualifications" on the grounds that 63/37 has a melting point of 370�°F.
If you told me you never messed up a single component by holding the iron on it too long, I wouldn't believe you.
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Proximate moisture as in moisture it is in fact in contact with. The water the rice is able to absorb isn't water that does any harm to the phone anyway, hence the uselessness. Or are you saying that the rice somehow magically sucks the moisture out through the speaker and microphone grills?
63/37 does indeed melt at 370°f, but applying 500°f using a heat gun for a minute or two from a couple of inches distance will not make the solder reach that kind of temperature. I never recommended anyone to put their phone in an oven at 500°f.
If I said that I never messed up a single component by applying too much heat I'd be lying. I've done it too many times to count.
Anyway people, feel free to put your phone in a bag filled with edible seed of your choice , but don't be surprised if starts acting up a couple of days later.

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Proximate moisture as in moisture it is in fact in contact with. The water the rice is able to absorb isn't water that does any harm to the phone anyway, hence the uselessness. Or are you saying that the rice somehow magically sucks the moisture out through the speaker and microphone grills?
63/37 does indeed melt at 370°f, but applying 500°f using a heat gun for a minute or two from a couple of inches distance will not make the solder reach that kind of temperature. I never recommended anyone to put their phone in an oven at 500°f.
If I said that I never messed up a single component by applying too much heat I'd be lying. I've done it too many times to count.
Anyway people, feel free to put your phone in a bag filled with edible seed of your choice , but don't be surprised if starts acting up a couple of days later.
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In hindsight of my original reply to the OP, it would have been wise to include instructions on drying the phone by means of draining through the introduction path and using compressed air. The OP would have benefited from the information.
It is unnecessary for a desiccant to have direct contact with water. If desiccants didn't absorb moisture, they wouldn't be in the packaging of everything from shoes to medicine to electronics.
It is important that most water be eliminated by other means first, but the dry rice will absorb, with time, remaining moisture, just like dry air climates reduce drenching sweat from your body on a hot day.

pidzero said:
In hindsight of my original reply to the OP, it would have been wise to include instructions on drying the phone by means of draining through the introduction path and using compressed air. The OP would have benefited from the information.
It is unnecessary for a desiccant to have direct contact with water. If desiccants didn't absorb moisture, they wouldn't be in the packaging of everything from shoes to medicine to electronics.
It is important that most water be eliminated by other means first, but the dry rice will absorb, with time, remaining moisture, just like dry air climates reduce drenching sweat from your body on a hot day.
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Okay so let's say that the rice somehow WILL absorb the moisture. Even in this case it will work way too slow, things start to corrode within hours (or minutes, dependent on what kind of liquid the phone has been dropped in). You don't want a fix that takes days or weeks, you want the moisture out as soon as possible.

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Okay so let's say that the rice somehow WILL absorb the moisture. Even in this case it will work way too slow, things start to corrode within hours (or minutes, dependent on what kind of liquid the phone has been dropped in). You don't want a fix that takes days or weeks, you want the moisture out as soon as possible.
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I admit, I would like to get to the bottom of this.
After some more research, I agree, it may take more time than ideal.
Cat litter has even more drying power than rice. Its cheap and readily available.
Infact, the article I get that info from http://smartphones.wonderhowto.com/...st-way-save-your-water-damaged-phone-0154799/ places uncooked rice low on their list of drying power:
The Sponge Test
Pre-weighed sponges soaked with water (and then weighed again) were used in this experiment.
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Each sponge was placed on top of wax paper, to prevent direct contact with the drying agents, since in a smartphone, there is normally no direct contact with the drying agent.
Uncooked White Rice Ain't Cutting It
After 24 hours, the sponges were weighed again to see how much weight had been lost. And would you believe it—according to the results, uncooked white rice placed dead last in effectiveness as a drying agent. Here's the list, from best to worst.
Open-air sponge - 7.6 mL lost
Silica gel - 6.1 mL lost
Cat litter - 5.5 mL lost
Instant couscous - 5.0 mL lost
Instant rice - 5.0 mL lost
Instant oatmeal - 5.0 mL lost
Uncooked white rice - 4.0 mL lost
Sealed-container sponge - 0.7 mL lost
Cat litter, instant couscous, instant rice, and instant oatmeal all performed better than uncooked white rice—everyone's favorite damn drying agent.
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I rescind my argument for rice. I give you credit for calling it pretty much useless. There are better desiccant alternatives.
Personally, I'd rather use cat litter than blow-dryer--not because I argue that it works better, but that I have cat litter, and no blow-dryer.
We agree that 500°F in the oven is ill-advised, and I am glad for that.

Water detection

Good Morning team, someone knows what could have happened here, I went into a jacuzzi and the water was very hot, apparently the protection glue disluded.
As I can detect that I would be failing to replace it.
The same thing happened to the smartwacth, the screen loosened
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While waiting for your answers, I remain attentive.

Yeah...
Even if your phone is IPx8, you should keep it out of water. Your phone is destroyed. Jacuzzi water is chlorinated; chlorine is corrosive.
Your best bet would be to request a warranty repair, but as an electronics technician, I can guarantee you that any sign of water intrusion and corrosion will result in the warranty claim being denied.

Got it.
There is no way to get the information out ?

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Got it.
There is no way to get the information out ?
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No boot, no nothing. Power down and pull the battery immediately. The rear cover must be pulled and it must be completely dried out. If the water's ph was high it's probably dead already.
If after drying it will boot, grab the data (which you should've backed up redundantly before something unforeseen *giggle* happened) as it will likely eventually die sooner than latter.
Other than that your only other option is a data recovery $ervice. They might be able to recover the data.

It does not start, but when I press volume +- this image that I present below remains:
Here it does not restart alone, it stays the time I leave

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It does not start, but when I press volume +- this image that I present below remains:
Here it does not restart alone, it stays the time I leave
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That's download mode, you can use Odin to flash firmware in that mode
Why haven't you put your phone in a dessicant bag yet? A cheap option is to use regular rice and a sealed Ziploc bag.
A better option would be something like this

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That's download mode, you can use Odin to flash firmware in that mode
Why haven't you put your phone in a dessicant bag yet?
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Because of my lack of knowledge !

alex9111 said:
Because of my lack of knowledge !
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I mean, there's knowledge, then there's common sense. Water isn't supposed to be inside a phone, right? So, you want to do something to get it out.
Power your phone down and put it in a sealed Ziploc bag with a few tablespoons of rice. Leave it alone for at least a week. After you put the phone in the bag, get on Amazon and order yourself something like this.

V0latyle said:
That's download mode, you can use Odin to flash firmware in that mode
Why haven't you put your phone in a dessicant bag yet? A cheap option is to use regular rice and a sealed Ziploc bag.
A better option would be something like this
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I use a little hair dryer, and from there to here it is turning on, but in reality it does nothing.
But I will try to do this today, more or less how many days you recommend me to leave it in the Ziploc?

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I use a little hair dryer, and from there to here it is turning on, but in reality it does nothing.
But I will try to do this today, more or less how many days you recommend me to leave it in the Ziploc?
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You don't want to apply direct heat, you might cause damage.
Depending on how long it was immersed, I would say a week. Make sure you remove anything that is removeable - stylus, SIM card tray, SD card tray, etc. While you're waiting, make sure you order one of those wet phone rescue bags; silica is a more efficient dessicant than rice, and doesn't cause dust.
And, given how accident prone you are around water, you may want to order an extra one or two.

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I mean, there's knowledge, then there's common sense. Water isn't supposed to be inside a phone, right? So, you want to do something to get it out.
Power your phone down and put it in a sealed Ziploc bag with a few tablespoons of rice. Leave it alone for at least a week. After you put the phone in the bag, get on Amazon and order yourself something like this.
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Thank you for your recommendations my friend, I will do everything to the letter as you tell me, I thank you very much

V0latyle said:
You don't want to apply direct heat, you might cause damage.
Depending on how long it was immersed, I would say a week. Make sure you remove anything that is removeable - stylus, SIM card tray, SD card tray, etc. While you're waiting, make sure you order one of those wet phone rescue bags; silica is a more efficient dessicant than rice, and doesn't cause dust.
And, given how accident prone you are around water, you may want to order an extra one or two.
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Copied !
I really appreciate your recommendations

alex9111 said:
Thank you for your recommendations my friend, I will do everything to the letter as you tell me, I thank you very much
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Be aware that this may not rescue your phone. If the jacuzzi water had any dissolved minerals, salts, or chlorine, those will likely leave deposits inside your phone as the water dries and cause corrosion. But, let's hope for the best.

V0latyle said:
You don't want to apply direct heat, you might cause damage.
Depending on how long it was immersed, I would say a week. Make sure you remove anything that is removeable - stylus, SIM card tray, SD card tray, etc. While you're waiting, make sure you order one of those wet phone rescue bags; silica is a more efficient dessicant than rice, and doesn't cause dust.
And, given how accident prone you are around water, you may want to order an extra one or two.
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I still hope?
What percentage of 100 would I recover with what I have already shown you?

V0latyle said:
Be aware that this may not rescue your phone. If the jacuzzi water had any dissolved minerals, salts, or chlorine, those will likely leave deposits inside your phone as the water dries and cause corrosion. But, let's hope for the best.
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I still hope?
What percentage of 100 would I recover with what I have already shown you?
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There's no way to know. The absolute best thing you could do is take your device to a repair center because they can take it apart, dry it, and remove anything that isn't supposed to be in there. You'll pay out of pocket, so the next best thing you can do without spending a lot of money would be the silica rescue bag.
The most important thing right now is getting all the moisture out. Once we do that, we can move on to trying to get the phone working again.

V0latyle said:
There's no way to know. The absolute best thing you could do is take your device to a repair center because they can take it apart, dry it, and remove anything that isn't supposed to be in there. You'll pay out of pocket, so the next best thing you can do without spending a lot of money would be the silica rescue bag.
The most important thing right now is getting all the moisture out. Once we do that, we can move on to trying to get the phone working again.
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Thanks !

It needs to have the rear cover removed asap.
That's the only way to dry it at this point.
Heat* will drive out moisture but all the while it's in there it's causing more damage. It could take weeks using heat alone as these devices aren't vented. As long as the battery is connected corrosion is likely taking place on the always powered circuits. This includes the SOC which is a BGA form factor; all it's pins are under the chipset, inaccessible and a water trap.
*do not use heat with the rear cover on!!! AMOLEDs displays are very susceptible to water damage if any water or vapor finds its way in. It will destroy it... water soluble OLED elements.

blackhawk said:
It needs to have the rear cover removed asap.
That's the only way to dry it at this point.
Heat* will drive out moisture but all the while it's in there it's causing more damage. It could take weeks using heat alone as these devices aren't vented. As long as the battery is connected corrosion is likely taking place on the always powered circuits. This includes the SOC which is a BGA form factor; all it's pins are under the chipset, inaccessible and a water trap.
*do not use heat with the rear cover on!!! AMOLEDs displays are very susceptible to water damage if any water or vapor finds its way in. It will destroy it... water soluble OLED elements.
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Yes, I used the heat cautiously.
I already removed the cover, disconnected the battery, at night, I will use the ziploc bag as I get the desiccant bag

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Yes, I used the heat cautiously.
I already removed the cover, disconnected the battery, at night, I will use the ziploc bag as I get the desiccant bag
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Good. Now that the pesky battery is disconnected...
Negative on the desiccant.
Any visible water?
Place on side in a warm/hot, DRY room. Put a strong fan on it to give good airflow. Use a dehumidifier if the air isn't dry. Allow to sit for at least a few days like this.
There are more aggressive things you do but if no water is visible try the above.