I'm creating this thread, but if any Senior Mods or Admins feel it would best be discussed in [All XDA Members] Feedback/Recommendations for XDA thread (I was unsure as that thread is more for suggestions & feedback, I don't know if criticism falls in the spirit of the thread) or some other more appropriate spot, please move these posts there.
Because there isn't any dedicated unlocked thread regarding the rules, policy, stance, and instances on this site (XDA) concerning (Telegram primarily; WhatsApp was mentioned once) external links that may or may not require registration to download files or public/private "channels" or how devs (there and here) deal with the policy, I am moving discussions made from THIS THREAD to a thread here devoted to the topic so it is on-topic here (rather than off-topic there) and anyone can feel free to discuss it further in a dedicated space for it.
Also, in the spirit/theme of the thread, I will also post some related materials to re-establish with an excerpt from Forum Rule 11 and the link to XDA's current rules, policy, & stance on Telegram directly below:
XDA Developers Forum Rules said:
11.
...This includes promoting sites similar / substantially similar to XDA-Developers.com.
Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
Off-site downloads are permitted if the site is non-commercial and does not require registration.
Off-site downloads from sites requiring registration are NOT encouraged but may be permitted if both of the following conditions are met:
A) The site belongs to a member of XDA-Developers with at least 1500 posts and 2 years membership, who actively maintains an XDA-Developers support thread(s) / posts, related to the download.
B) The site is a relatively small, personal website without commercial advertising / links (i.e. not a competitor forum-based site with purposes and aims similar to those of XDA-Developers.com.)
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swer45 said:
So you can download it, give root permissions to Alpha and direct install it.
Random Telegram channel? The dev is one of the contributors of official Magisk, LSPosed and Shamiko. I don't think it's a random telegram channel
Give it a try : mod edit;telegram link removed
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Can't believe you not only got away with this but got thanked by an XDA mod for it!... Impressive!... Rules on TG links on XDA have changed, to allow information but maybe we can give TG as file source now @V0latyle?... I ask because of past warnings... PW
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Can't believe you not only got away with this but got thanked by an XDA mod for it!... Impressive!... Rules on TG links on XDA have changed, to allow information but maybe we can give TG as file source now @V0latyle?... I ask because of past warnings... PW
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According to these rules, download links from Telegram should be ok as long as...
What about download links?
Download links from hosts, platforms or other sources are allowed as long as they do not require registration. Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed. Please check them before posting.
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Can't believe you not only got away with this but got thanked by an XDA mod for it!... Impressive!... Rules on TG links on XDA have changed, to allow information but maybe we can give TG as file source now @V0latyle?... I ask because of past warnings... PW
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Check out the TG policy in my sig. We treat files hosted on TG like we do any other file host - they must be available to the public without registration, I.e., a TG account must not be necessary to download them.
I personally can't figure out how to download it but I'm also not TG literate, so...
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Can you say app then?... Or did I miss it... PW
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You mean the app name?
Main bank is Navy Federal but you can't test biometric sign in unless you have an account.
Other app is Mid America Bank, it complains about root unless DenyList is enabled on it, then it complains about USB Debugging.
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According to these rules, download links from Telegram should be ok as long as...
What about download links?
Download links from hosts, platforms or other sources are allowed as long as they do not require registration. Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed. Please check them before posting.
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This.
V0latyle said:
Check out the TG policy in my sig. We treat files hosted on TG like we do any other file host - they must be available to the public without registration, I.e., a TG account must not be necessary to download them.
I personally can't figure out how to download it but I'm also not TG literate, so...
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Well that's what's confusing about XDA... Rules were strictly no TG except one per development thread in OP originally, then was told still no links to TG threads needing registration but can link relevant information on public threads but CANNOT give TG links as file sources regardless... PW
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According to these rules, download links from Telegram should be ok as long as...
What about download links?
Download links from hosts, platforms or other sources are allowed as long as they do not require registration. Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed. Please check them before posting.
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Ok, got it thanks... I missed the change nearly a year ago! ... Guess better late than never... PW
pndwal said:
Well that's what's confusing about XDA... Rules were strictly no TG except one per development thread in OP originally, then was told still no links to TG threads needing registration but can link relevant information on public threads but CANNOT give TG links as file sources regardless... PW
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Ok, got it thanks... I missed the change nearly a year ago! ... Guess better late than never... PW
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Yeah. If you read the policy, we allow one TG link for developers in the OP, with the condition that support and updates must be provided in the XDA thread. There's been a few developers that try to keep everything on TG, and that's the point where we consider it to be self promotion under Rule 5:
Links to an external source are only allowed if relevant to the topic in hand. A description must be included, no copy & pasting from the original source.
Self-promotion is forbidden, this includes blogs, social media and video channels etc. Random links will be removed.
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I'm not going to quote the TG policy here since you can just click on the far right link in my sig and read it, but you get the idea
Speaking of Telegram, can someone help me figure out how to download the file? I don't have Telegram on my phone and while I have an account (that I don't frequently use) I'd rather not join the channel
swer45 said:
To download the file you must have Telegram installed in your phone and had an account
But I can share it
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Thank you. If the previous link you shared does indeed require an account I recommend you remove it
V0latyle said:
Check out the TG policy in my sig. We treat files hosted on TG like we do any other file host - they must be available to the public without registration, I.e., a TG account must not be necessary to download them.
I personally can't figure out how to download it but I'm also not TG literate, so...
You mean the app name?
Main bank is Navy Federal but you can't test biometric sign in unless you have an account.
Other app is Mid America Bank, it complains about root unless DenyList is enabled on it, then it complains about USB Debugging.
This.
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Ok, so seems what I was told is actually still correct:
pndwal said:
... Rules were strictly no TG except one per development thread in OP originally, then was told still no links to TG threads needing registration but can link relevant information on public threads but CANNOT give TG links as file sources regardless...
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Members "can link relevant information" from TG as the links (to public channels) can be opened in browser as a 'preview' (eg with /s/ inserted before the channel name).
However they "CANNOT give TG links as file sources regardless" as files cannot be downloaded without registering an account.
The cited rule
What about download links?
Download links from hosts, platforms or other sources are allowed as long as they do not require registration. Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed. Please check them before posting.
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may possibly apply to WhatsApp (can that be accessed without registering an account? ) per its banner heading, but for TG the statement "Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed" seems wishful, superfluous and misleading to me as all Telegram links require registration for downloads unless I'm mistaken. PW
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Ok, so seems what I was told is actually still correct:
Members "can link relevant information" from TG as the links (to public channels) can be opened in browser as a 'preview' (eg with /s/ inserted before the channel name).
However they "CANNOT give TG links as file sources regardless" as files cannot be downloaded without registering an account.
The cited rule
may possibly apply to WhatsApp (can that be accessed without registering an account? ) per its banner heading, but for TG the statement "Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed" seems wishful, superfluous and misleading to me as all Telegram links require registration for downloads unless I'm mistaken. PW
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Someone had demonstrated to me at some point that TG files can be made publicly available. But I don't remember who. The only thing I can suggest is getting one of the more Telegram knowledgeable mods in here like @karandpr or @Oswald Boelcke or @alecxs
V0latyle said:
Someone had demonstrated to me at some point that TG files can be made publicly available. But I don't remember who. The only thing I can suggest is getting one of the more Telegram knowledgeable mods in here like @karandpr or @Oswald Boelcke or @alecxs
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I think it was Oswald I discussed this with previously...
Seems you can download without Telegram "by joining a Telegram group called Files Web Downloader" or similar:
https://techlizar.com/how-to-download-telegram-files-without-telegram/
but "you’ll need to join the group and forward the downloadable link" before "they will convert the link as a fast downloadable link", but that's no good due to need to register...
Apparently a Telegram bot called GetPublicLinkBot might work per link above. "You can use it to download any large files without Telegram... This bot will generate a direct download link for any file you send it" but it didn't work in my test:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
... Doubt such third party file-mirroring solutions would be acceptable to XDA anyway, at least unless 3rd party links are used... Original TG links still require registered account to work. PW
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Someone had demonstrated to me at some point that TG files can be made publicly available. But I don't remember who. The only thing I can suggest is getting one of the more Telegram knowledgeable mods in here like @karandpr or @Oswald Boelcke or @alecxs
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Telegram posts with external links are available publicly.
Telegram download links required a Telegram account.
karandpr said:
Telegram posts with external links are available publicly.
Telegram download links required a Telegram account.
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For context, this:
pndwal said:
Ok, so seems what I was told is actually still correct:
pndwal said:
... Rules were strictly no TG except one per development thread in OP originally, then was told still no links to TG threads needing registration but can link relevant information on public threads but CANNOT give TG links as file sources regardless...
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The cited rule
What about download links?
Download links from hosts, platforms or other sources are allowed as long as they do not require registration. Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed. Please check them before posting.
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may possibly apply to WhatsApp (can that be accessed without registering an account? ) per its banner heading, but for TG the statement "Some Telegram links require registration for downloads, so they will not be allowed" seems wishful, superfluous and misleading to me as all Telegram links require registration for downloads unless I'm mistaken. PW
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So it seems that despite the rule update and the fact that many here use Telegram to communicate or to peruse forums, we still cannot link even main Magisk test forks from principal Magisk Devs like @vvb2060's Alpha (with no GitHub published releases) or other apps etc published (for root hiding etc) there...
-------An aside: @ipdev recently made me aware of the "official XDA-Developers Telegram chat hub"... ("Here you will find links to all official XDA Telegram chat groups. The XDA-Developers Telegram chats are run by members of XDA Management with help from various trusted community members.")
https://t.me/xdadevelopershub
I couldn't find rules there against posting or linking files and many have been posted... So I wonder if an acceptable workaround for regular XDA members would be to post such files in the XDA TG General Discussion channel, then reply to that post with a reference to the app/mod like "The Alpha build is 13mb" and link that post (not a download source itself; only a source of 'pertinent information' ) from an XDA forum response to a member asking about such releases(?)...
As a for-instance, I ran early versions of Shamiko and posted on XDA about this new hiding module's development long before @nullptr gave it a public GitHub home, but I couldn't post a source for release files when members asked for it as it was only available on TG for some time...
Now (since the extinction of MagiskHide) Shamiko is a staple module for XDA Magisk users too, but it would still be taboo here if it hadn't been for @nullptr's (and @canyie's?) initiative, because of XDA policy... PW
The Telegram discussion doesn't really belong here, we (used to?) have a thread about Telegram and XDA, I'm currently trying to find it
pndwal said:
For context, this conversation:
So it seems that despite the rule update and the fact that many here use Telegram to communicate or to peruse forums, we still cannot link even main Magisk test forks from principal Magisk Devs like @vvb2060's Alpha (with no GitHub published releases) or other apps etc published (for root hiding etc) there...
Also, @ipdev recently made me aware of the "official XDA-Developers Telegram chat hub"... ("Here you will find links to all official XDA Telegram chat groups. The XDA-Developers Telegram chats are run by members of XDA Management with help from various trusted community members.")
https://t.me/xdadevelopershub
I couldn't find rules there against posting or linking files and many have been posted... So I wonder if an acceptable workaround for regular XDA members would be to post such files in the XDA TG General Discussion channel, then reply to that post with a reference to the app/mod like "The Alpha build is 13mb" and link that post (not a download source itself; only a source of 'pertinent information' ) from an XDA forum response to a member asking about such releases(?)...
As a for-instance, I ran early versions of Shamiko and posted on XDA about this new hiding module's development long before @nullptr gave it a public GitHub home, but I couldn't post a source for release files when members asked for it as it was only available on TG for some time...
Now (since the extinction of MagiskHide) Shamiko is a staple module for XDA Magisk users too, but it would still be taboo here if it hadn't been for @nullptr's (and @canyie's?) initiative, because of XDA policy... PW
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The problem xda had was a few Devs were using XDA to promote their telegram groups and not contributing to xda at all. Several of these Devs were then selling their work on telegram. All though the xda rules are far from ideal, this is what they were trying to stop
pndwal said:
For context, this conversation:
So it seems that despite the rule update and the fact that many here use Telegram to communicate or to peruse forums, we still cannot link even main Magisk test forks from principal Magisk Devs like @vvb2060's Alpha (with no GitHub published releases) or other apps etc published (for root hiding etc) there...
Also, @ipdev recently made me aware of the "official XDA-Developers Telegram chat hub"... ("Here you will find links to all official XDA Telegram chat groups. The XDA-Developers Telegram chats are run by members of XDA Management with help from various trusted community members.")
https://t.me/xdadevelopershub
I couldn't find rules there against posting or linking files and many have been posted... So I wonder if an acceptable workaround for regular XDA members would be to post such files in the XDA TG General Discussion channel, then reply to that post with a reference to the app/mod like "The Alpha build is 13mb" and link that post (not a download source itself; only a source of 'pertinent information' ) from an XDA forum response to a member asking about such releases(?)...
As a for-instance, I ran early versions of Shamiko and posted on XDA about this new hiding module's development long before @nullptr gave it a public GitHub home, but I couldn't post a source for release files when members asked for it as it was only available on TG for some time...
Now (since the extinction of MagiskHide) Shamiko is a staple module for XDA Magisk users too, but it would still be taboo here if it hadn't been for @nullptr's (and @canyie's?) initiative, because of XDA policy... PW
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OMG, I thought you have successfully finished the thesis on this topic, but apparently it's still on the table
andy242 said:
The problem xda had was a few Devs were using XDA to promote their telegram groups and not contributing to xda at all. Several of these Devs were then selling their work on telegram. All though the xda rules are far from ideal, this is what they were trying to stop
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Exactly. This is largely a non profit site, and the only revenue we get is from traffic on this site...so anything that directs users elsewhere is bad. That's also why we discourage self promotion, etc. The idea is that XDA and the content shared herein should be available to the general public for anyone to get useful information...not a platform to promote oneself, one's website, social media, etc.
@pndwal trying to compete with @Oswald Boelcke for the Wall of Text!
@karandpr is it still true that only channels allow free download of files, but groups require using a TG account? Or is it both?
andy242 said:
The problem xda had was a few Devs were using XDA to promote their telegram groups and not contributing to xda at all. Several of these Devs were then selling their work on telegram. All though the xda rules are far from ideal, this is what they were trying to stop
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Correct.
There is also the security perspective.
We had previous instances when some malicious actor passed malware onto devices from a telegram group.
That resulted in device bricks. Furthermore, malicious actors also cheated members of their money via crypto.
It's a reasonable line we have drawn .
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@karandpr is it still true that only channels allow free download of files, but groups require using a TG account? Or is it both?
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You can view public channels, public groups, and posts in public groups.
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Who would like to join extreme beta kernel tester please visit the link down below and join us.
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Who would like to join extreme beta kernel tester please visit the link down below and join us.
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Per the forum rules, promoting social media is not allowed on XDA.
the Doctor said:
Per the forum rules, promoting social media is not allowed on XDA.
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But but but XDA is social media itself
/starts infinite loop exception
zacharias.maladroit said:
But but but XDA is social media itself
/starts infinite loop exception
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The rules are so users aren't siphoned off to some other site. Any discussion can happen here. This is the development forum.
I've seen people promote their Facebook page or YouTube channel, and it's just a ploy to make money.
You can have closed group testing off site, but don't promote those links publicly. Like, "hey, that other place is where the cool stuff if happening."
I really don't trust anything that's not on XDA, related to my phone. If it's real, it's going to be here.
ChazzMatt said:
The rules are so users aren't siphoned off to some other site. Any discussion can happen here. This is the development forum.
I've seen people promote their Facebook page or YouTube channel, and it's just a ploy to make money.
You can have closed group testing off site, but don't promote those links publicly. Like, "hey, that other place is where the cool stuff if happening."
I really don't trust anything that's not on XDA, related to my phone. If it's real, it's going to be here.
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yep, and that's the "classic" opensource , opendevelopment approach - that should also make sure that everyone benefits and before ran-into issues are documented and fixed
thus others don't have to figure fixes out again (re-inventing the wheel) so it can be focused on new/different issues - otherwise we'll end up at grsecurity-type development (behind closed doors).
Nothing against grsecurity - it's great, but I hate it e.g. when folks take your work and release stuff based on it (e.g. kernels) but don't release the changes back so that you can improve upon that,
which in actuality is a requirement by the GPL
let's all come together and make a combined list of all the roms available for our device via telegram since it gets hard to find em sometimes.
we can make it with like a nice format in the main op thread here which I can update
we can have the name of the rom and if it's not against the rules of xda a link to the group as well
lemme know what you guys think
https://treskmod.ru/
^ or AOSiP (if you guys didn't see, AOSiP got support for F2FS)
Treskmod is not being updated for 7T as far as Telegram group states.
Other roms that are available are
Aosip
MSM Xtended
Omni Rom
Paranoid Android says they are going to release a build soon in the next days...but that is being since past 2 months...
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umair shaikh said:
let's all come together and make a combined list of all the roms available for our device via telegram since it gets hard to find em sometimes.
we can make it with like a nice format in the main op thread here which I can update
we can have the name of the rom and if it's not against the rules of xda a link to the group as well
lemme know what you guys think
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@umair shaikh THREAD CLOSED!
We grant developers the privilege to provide links to their social media including Telegram in the OP of their own development threads. These conditions obviously don't apply to your thread. I realise that you haven't posted any Telegram link yet; however, this thread more or less calls for it. You assumed correctly it would be against the rules.
XDA Forum Rules again (excerpt):
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5. Create a thread topic or post a message only once, this includes external links & streaming media.
As a large forum, we don't need unnecessary clutter. You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer, revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time so it might take a while before you receive an answer.
You can bump your unanswered question once every 24 hours
Duplicate threads and posts will be removed
Always post in an existing thread if a topic already exists, before creating a new thread.
Use our search function to find the best forum for your device.
Links to an external source are only allowed if relevant to the topic in hand. A description must be included, no copy & pasting from the original source.
Self-promotion is forbidden, this includes blogs, social media and video channels etc. Random links will be removed.
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P_R said:
Hi guyz if anyone has problems with activating VOLTE on xiaomi devices with MTK or SD chips,they can take a look to the this channel and watch the guid clips
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@P_R
Welcome to XDA. I hope you'll always get the support you require, and we're happy if you share your experiences and knowledge. However, I've removed the link from your above post.
As an exemption from the last bullet of rule no. 5 of the XDA Forum Rules, we grant only developers the privilege to share references to their social media in their own development threads. These conditions obviously don't apply to this thread or you. Additional information is also available here:
Telegram Chat Channels - Way Forward
WhatsApp/Telegram Groups and Channels - Going Forward Hello XDA family! Just notifying all members that posting certain links to Telegram and other sites like WhatsApp is now allowed on XDA. What does that mean? We will allow links to messages...
forum.xda-developers.com
Please refrain from sharing social media links in future unless done in your own development thread.
Additionally, I deleted the post you made here, and which was only a duplicate of this thread. In the above mentioned rule no. 5 you'll also find the "request" to post only ONCE! It might be advisable to review the complete forum rules as you agreed to adhere to them when you registered a few minutes ago.
Thanks for your cooperation!
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Good evening, my name is Anderson and it's an honor to be in this group here full of professionals, and I want you to ask me a question and if you can help me I really appreciate it, does anyone know of a Custom One UI ROM for the samsung Galaxy S9 G9600 of Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor?
I really need to leave my S9 with a custom rom with the kernel much more updated, who can help me I would be very grateful with that.
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@butchieboy I've edited your above post and removed the reference to Telegram! Regarding social media links please observe that as an exemption from the last bullet of rule no. 5 of the XDA Forum Rules, we grant only developers the privilege to share references to their social media in their own development threads and if thorough support is provided in the thread. These conditions obviously don't apply to your posts, threads or you. Additional information is also available here:
Telegram Chat Channels - Way Forward
WhatsApp/Telegram Groups and Channels - Going Forward Hello XDA family! Just notifying all members that posting certain links to Telegram and other sites like WhatsApp is now allowed on XDA. What does that mean? We will allow links to messages...
forum.xda-developers.com
Please refrain for sharing of social media references unless within your own development threads and do not drag members away from XDA to your social media!
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Ok gotcha. But I see Telegram links posted here all the time. No biggie
I’ve noticed that on XDA there aren’t roms like CorvusRom, DerpFest, CherishOS,..
Especially CorvusRom, which seems to be really good
take a look on his changelog
The decision is up to the developers.
Check out this Telegram-Group, lots of ROMs and all their updates for munch...
UniNick said:
Check out this Telegram-Group, lots of ROMs and all their updates for munch...
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@UniNick I've removed the links to Telegram from your OP.
Regarding social media links please observe that as an exemption from the last bullet of rule no. 5 of the XDA Forum Rules, we grant only developers the privilege to share references to their social media in their own development threads and if thorough support is provided in the thread. These conditions obviously don't apply to your posts, threads or you. Additional information is also available here:
Telegram Chat Channels - Way Forward
WhatsApp/Telegram Groups and Channels - Going Forward Hello XDA family! Just notifying all members that posting certain links to Telegram and other sites like WhatsApp is now allowed on XDA. What does that mean? We will allow links to messages...
forum.xda-developers.com
Please refrain for sharing of social media references unless within your own development threads!
Thanks for your future cooperation.
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gius0161 said:
I’ve noticed that on XDA there aren’t roms like CorvusRom, DerpFest, CherishOS,..
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@gius0161 Thread has been closed as you've created the following one just a few hours later:
Available ROMs list guide
This topic born with the goal to contain all links of available ROMs for our Poco F4 - munch. So, if you know other projects, reply here and I’ll edit the first post. MIUI BASED Miui Global - BackToStock Miui.eu MIUIMOD OG Casanova (only on...
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You could easily have edited this existing thread.
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