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Developer support?

I've read a news article on Pulse that this phone won't have much developer support due to Samsung keeping some files locked out for developer support, and that Cyanogenmod won't be developing on this phone due to that.
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I don't understand the situation fully, but it sounds like Samsung has committed to releasing the source, so I am hoping that means it will get Cyanogenmod and good dev support.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203

acey_zero said:
I don't understand the situation fully, but it sounds like Samsung has committed to releasing the source, so I am hoping that means it will get Cyanogenmod and good dev support.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203
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Interesting..hate Touchwiz but it does have some nice features.
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This might be a dumb question, I've just begun researching this but it concerns development. I'm considering jumping from my Verizon contract to AT&T for this phone, based on the virtual certainty that the Verizon version will have a locked bootloader. Are AT&T phones locked on a case by case basis, or is it already a given that this phone will release with devs able to mess with it? I don't want to play a waiting game like the S3 on Verizon despite their huge number of users.

From my understanding there will be NO cm support on any further samsung devices..But then I seen this? so who knows...lol
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/cyanogenmod-10-cm10-for-galaxy-note-2-development-starts/

wish777 said:
From my understanding there will be NO cm support on any further samsung devices..But then I seen this? so who knows...lol
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/cyanogenmod-10-cm10-for-galaxy-note-2-development-starts/
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Pretty sure that is a port, not the actual CM team doing the work

i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.

BLOWNCO said:
i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.
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Personally I agree, but this is xda and people will want to mod. I'll be rooting, but I doubt I'll flash any custom ROM's.

My order is in and I agree,:laugh:
UNLESS...the many features including the S Pen etc. are ported to new ROMS I don't think I'll flash...
BTW ...anyone know of a cure for ORD

gtalum said:
Personally I agree, but this is xda and people will want to mod. I'll be rooting, but I doubt I'll flash any custom ROM's.
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oh i will be doing the same ill flash customs roms just TW ones as i want to keep the features like spen and all that jazz.
on older devices cm was awesome cause it was fast but now as the phones are more powerful then ever i dont see a need to run them. just me tho

Same. I don't think I'll be flashing any Non-TW ROM on the Note 2. I've been flashing AOKP and CM10 on the Note 1 so I've been missing the TW S-Pen features.

This is why im glad i got the N7100 model, just sayin

wish777 said:
From my understanding there will be NO cm support on any further samsung devices..But then I seen this? so who knows...lol
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/cyanogenmod-10-cm10-for-galaxy-note-2-development-starts/
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Pretty much all I know is what I read on rootzwiki, but I thought that they were not going to drop all Samsung devices, but only the ones that used Exynos CPU's due to inadequate source or documentation or something. But then I think Samsung has committed to releasing this, so hopefully that means Cyanogenmod will not drop them anymore, but I haven't heard anything official.
links:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...veloper-support-for-exynos-based-phones-r1151
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...exynos-code-or-is-this-another-pr-stunt-r1176
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203
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BLOWNCO said:
i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.
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I have to admit a lot of the features they added do seem genuinely useful, but I still think I would give them up for Cyanogenmod.
It is my understanding (from what I have read about the Note 1, etc) that android natively supports stylus input since ICS, and so it should be able to still work in Cyanogenmod. It is just that there are very few apps that really make use of it besides the ones from Samsung, Hopefully this will improve over time though.

I am with you guys, I personally will root the device and debloat it for now... But stock rom right now seems to be very nice..lol...
We will have alot of great roms coming out either way with or without cm support. I know a couple devolpers coming here shortly and there work is awesome.

There will be plenty of support. I will be working on a few things myself once I get the device. I helped start the CM development in the original note.
And the reason why we run AOSP vs all the craptastic useless stuff Samsung adds its because I personally like vanilla Google. Samsung changes to much. Android in stock form is beautiful. Just my opinion not trying to start a flame war.
If I run stock it will be stripped down deodexed and debloated likke a mofo.
If I decode to build an device tree and attempt to build CM I will. With the open support from Samsung it won't be difficult.

I know of a few developers coming this way also we will have plenty of support I'm sure

antiochasylum said:
There will be plenty of support. I will be working on a few things myself once I get the device. I helped start the CM development in the original note.
And the reason why we run AOSP vs all the craptastic useless stuff Samsung adds its because I personally like vanilla Google. Samsung changes to much. Android in stock form is beautiful. Just my opinion not trying to start a flame war.
If I run stock it will be stripped down deodexed and debloated likke a mofo.
If I decode to build an device tree and attempt to build CM I will. With the open support from Samsung it won't be difficult.
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Normally I agree, and my S3 i definitely agree. But this phone is built around samsungs incorporation of the s-pen and related features. If AOKP roms ignore the s-pen, theyre useless to me.. why even get this phone then?
I think the most popular roms on this phone will be stock based, debloated and feature rich roms, much like Ariel rom for the ATT Galaxy s3 out now.

BLOWNCO said:
i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.
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Touchwiz is hideous.
Don't get me wrong, Samsung has done some great things with the multitask and S-pen, but AOSP Jellybean makes Touchwiz look like a featurephone UI from 2003.

xeper said:
Touchwiz is hideous.
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Which aspects of touchwiz (beyond the launcher, which is easily replaced) are hideous?

theraker007 said:
Normally I agree, and my S3 i definitely agree. But this phone is built around samsungs incorporation of the s-pen and related features. If AOKP roms ignore the s-pen, theyre useless to me.. why even get this phone then?
I think the most popular roms on this phone will be stock based, debloated and feature rich roms, much like Ariel rom for the ATT Galaxy s3 out now.
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This is exactly how I feel about it. I will root it, but I'm going to take my time about flashing a custom ROM. I want the full functionality of that stylus as designed - as an old Palm girl, this is one of the main reasons I'm getting the Note 2. That plus the excellent GPS - coming from a woefully awful Captivate GPS. I had a Garmin iQue 3600, the Palm OS GPS unit, and am frankly spoiled by that integration. If only Garmin hadn't given up like that.....

Is this phone right for me?

I currently use a Moto X Pure Edition with Straight Talk (AT&T) prepaid, and a custom ROM (with Xposed)... and my requirements for a new phone are removable storage, under $500, an AMOLED screen, and the ability to root and install Xposed (and a headphone jack).
I don't understand the lack of popularity surrounding this phone and was posting this here to see if I was missing something. No other phone has a great screen, form, battery, and price that I've come across.
The phone is currently on sale on the Moto website for $350 in both colors so I need to make a decision soon...
Thanks in advance for any responses and I apologize if I've posted this is in the wrong place.

The phone's great. The battery last the whole day, it's fast, the camera it's okay, and it doesn't have any major problem.
The only thing I don't like it's that the phone it's not very popular, so there are not many roms for it and development is not as big as with other phones (There's not even official LOS for this phone).
As I see, you like to root and install custom roms, and if you're planning to do so with this phone, I wouldn't consider you bought it.

I can root it and at least install Xposed though, correct?
And is there an unofficial LOS rom for this phone?
If so/if not what's the best rom for this phone?

Yes, there's an unofficial LOS 15, but take into account that it still have problems, and currently, there's no complete way to go back to stock in case you don't like it.
I think you can install Xposed and Root the phone, but don't forget to back up everything!

If you thinking of rooting the phone amd installing custom ROMs, then
my opinion is.. Don't buy the Moto Z2 play.
The main reason is that , till now there is no sure shot way of going
back to completely stock with a locked bootloader, in case you don't like
the overall community support for the phone which may make you think
of going back to stock to re-sell it.
Secondly, i have came to know that the phone is not that popular overall,
hence there are hardly any developers for making custom ROM's for this phone.
Before this phone being my daily driver, i had a Galaxy S4 mini as my daily
driver which is almost a 5 year old phone, and i enjoyed installing and trying
out alot of Custom ROMs on it, Till date the community for the S4 mini hasn't
shrinked much and is still active, just checkout the XDA community for S4 mini
and you will be surprised how many developers used to support it, and still are
supporting it.
Moreover The S4 mini has Stock firmware available on its official site of Multiple
android Versions.
So coming from a phone which still has such an active community, I got disappointed after seeing the Z2 Play forums.
I have my Moto Z2 Play rooted with Xposed installed, came to know of the lack of support only after I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it, wanted to re-sell it, but the stock Firmware for my Z2 play version is not available.

flashnub said:
If you thinking of rooting the phone amd installing custom ROMs, then
my opinion is.. Don't buy the Moto Z2 play.
The main reason is that , till now there is no sure shot way of going
back to completely stock with a locked bootloader, in case you don't like
the overall community support for the phone which may make you think
of going back to stock to re-sell it.
Secondly, i have came to know that the phone is not that popular overall,
hence there are hardly any developers for making custom ROM's for this phone.
Before this phone being my daily driver, i had a Galaxy S4 mini as my daily
driver which is almost a 5 year old phone, and i enjoyed installing and trying
out alot of Custom ROMs on it, Till date the community for the S4 mini hasn't
shrinked much and is still active, just checkout the XDA community for S4 mini
and you will be surprised how many developers used to support it, and still are
supporting it.
Moreover The S4 mini has Stock firmware available on its official site of Multiple
android Versions.
So coming from a phone which still has such an active community, I got disappointed after seeing the Z2 Play forums.
I have my Moto Z2 Play rooted with Xposed installed, came to know of the lack of support only after I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it, wanted to re-sell it, but the stock Firmware for my Z2 play version is not available.
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As long as I can get Xposed on it everything would be okay I'm thinking. I intend to unlock the bootloader and reselling it isn't a concern (although if it dies in the first year I'd like to be able to return it to Lenovo/Motorola or something).

several questions - beginner

Hi,
since several years i had samsung S... but two days ago i bought pixel 2 xl. I remember when i had nexus 5 was very a lot of customrom's. Today is very poor. Why ?
2. question. Do you have factory image or customroom. if custom, which is the best ? have many add funcionality ? perhaps i must to think xposed + gravitybox for a8.1?
What solution You use it ?
Big thx for answers.
sorry for my poor English but i learning all the time

ds78 said:
Hi,
since several years i had samsung S... but two days ago i bought pixel 2 xl. I remember when i had nexus 5 was very a lot of customrom's. Today is very poor. Why ?
2. question. Do you have factory image or customroom. if custom, which is the best ? have many add funcionality ? perhaps i must to think xposed + gravitybox for a8.1?
What solution You use it ?
Big thx for answers.
sorry for my poor English but i learning all the time
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The A/B partitions on the P2XL make development much more difficult, therefore, not as many. However, there are some very good ones out there. DU, Nitrogen, Carbon, and RR to name a few. I personally use stock + root with substratum themes, and that's good enough for me. I used to do the custom rom scene a lot, however, I just don't see the benefits as much as I used to. Not to mention I don't have as much down time or bug chasing to do with my device anymore. But that's just my opinion

As @Badger50 said, the A/B system makes development a challenge. But the recovery being part of the boot image doesn't help.
I run a stock ROM, rooted of course. I find the few features I needed from custom ROMs in the past can easily be handled by apps, so there is no point in me using a custom ROM until Google no longer supports the device. By that time I should be on the Pixel 4 XL.
Now, what custom ROM is best is subjective because your needs won't be the same as mine. You'll need to try the ROMs out for yourself to answer that question as well as the question you have about their features.

Custom Roms/Kernels

Hi abit weird to ask but why isn't there any loads of customs roms or kernel in note 10 + ? supposedly is a good phone but the amount of roms and kernels avail are just a small handful. Is this due to samsung lockdown the device or less popularity among devs? i could only count 2 roms which are stock and 1 lineageos plus nemesis kernel.

The Snapdragon US models have locked bootloaders and therefore cannot take any roms or kernels. The international (Exynos) models have unlockable bootloaders and the roms you see are for them.

enginuity2 said:
The Snapdragon US models have locked bootloaders and therefore cannot take any roms or kernels. The international (Exynos) models have unlockable bootloaders and the roms you see are for them.
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Yeah i do know that. Is just that for exynos variant there isnt much roms such as havosOS or custom kernels. And threads were pretty much dull or dead. I do understand no etas but some of the threads were like dead or simply no response. Pretty much like a good phone with zero options for custom roms and kernels. I rly do wish some dev out there picked this phone up as a custom project.

I think the high price of the device means people are more afraid to lose their warranties, which results in less demand for custom ROMs and less people being interested in developing them. I'm glad I have yet to bootloader unlock as I'm having the screen replaced under warranty later this week.

Question Disappointment, with solution?

I am a big fan of cell phones and installing custom roms.
In the past I have had several oneplus like the o 3t, 6t, 7pro, and without a doubt the one that has disappointed me the most is the one I have now, the 9 pro European version.
It was already a big shock the purchase price, but I longed for the old days in which you could find dozens of functional roms for your oneplus and enjoyed exploring it.
Before I bought it I saw that there was community so I decided to get the 9 pro... but after half a year I am quite disappointed.
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.

Unfortunately, the stability does suffer on the 9 Pro. It's one of the things you'll have to live with. To be fair, most phones aren't that great in 2022. Samsung has horrible battery life and Apple's caught in that iCloud scanning controversy. Pixel 6 is meh for a phone, the chip just can't keep up.
So pick your poison.

aforocars said:
I am a big fan of cell phones and installing custom roms.
In the past I have had several oneplus like the o 3t, 6t, 7pro, and without a doubt the one that has disappointed me the most is the one I have now, the 9 pro European version.
It was already a big shock the purchase price, but I longed for the old days in which you could find dozens of functional roms for your oneplus and enjoyed exploring it.
Before I bought it I saw that there was community so I decided to get the 9 pro... but after half a year I am quite disappointed.
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
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if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.

aforocars said:
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
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I'm afraid you don't understand how development works. Custom ROM developers rely mainly on how developer friendly a phone manufacturer is. OnePlus has known a steady decline in community support in the past few years. You would be amazed how difficult it is to make components like a fingerprint reader or camera work properly if no sources are released. This is a massive challenge that this community struggles with every single day. To be honest I'm even surprised they get the hardware working so fast. I'm not familiar with today's hacks but I remember the camera of the OnePlus "Bacon" One was quite the piece of work. I am still thankful to @Sultanxda for the near magic he performed on this and many other devices. Interesting read: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code
But that was then, "simpler times". With all added security measures by Big G nowadays and how reluctant OnePlus has become to cooperate with the very community that made them so great it can only have become more difficult. They say "added security" but they really mean "protecting our economic interests". If custom development is so important to you it should've been a part of your selection process when buying a new phone. That's what I asked myself when I was looking for a device for my son: "What's cheap, has a decent battery, some gaming capabilities and has a solid development community?". I got him a Xiaomi Poco M3, no regrets. I've been on the 6T for over 3 years now and will likely be on the lookout for an upgrade later this year. Development will be an important selling point. Nothing looks promising! If it's going to be as 'open' as they claim, it will have amazing community support.
TL;DR: Don't look to independant devs about quirky ROM development, complain to the companies about their lack of community support instead.

vincemue said:
if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
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vincemue said:
if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
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The point of my comment was not any criticism of developers, maybe I should have put this " I admire developers a lot" in bold.
Neither stock rom nor custom roms are what they used to be in oneplus devices.

Timmmmaaahh! said:
I'm afraid you don't understand how development works. Custom ROM developers rely mainly on how developer friendly a phone manufacturer is. OnePlus has known a steady decline in community support in the past few years. You would be amazed how difficult it is to make components like a fingerprint reader or camera work properly if no sources are released. This is a massive challenge that this community struggles with every single day. To be honest I'm even surprised they get the hardware working so fast. I'm not familiar with today's hacks but I remember the camera of the OnePlus "Bacon" One was quite the piece of work. I am still thankful to @Sultanxda for the near magic he performed on this and many other devices. Interesting read: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code
But that was then, "simpler times". With all added security measures by Big G nowadays and how reluctant OnePlus has become to cooperate with the very community that made them so great it can only have become more difficult. They say "added security" but they really mean "protecting our economic interests". If custom development is so important to you it should've been a part of your selection process when buying a new phone. That's what I asked myself when I was looking for a device for my son: "What's cheap, has a decent battery, some gaming capabilities and has a solid development community?". I got him a Xiaomi Poco M3, no regrets. I've been on the 6T for over 3 years now and will likely be on the lookout for an upgrade later this year. Development will be an important selling point. Nothing looks promising! If it's going to be as 'open' as they claim, it will have amazing community support.
TL;DR: Don't look to independant devs about quirky ROM development, complain to the companies about their lack of community support instead.
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I probably know the world of development a lot better than you think... , I wasn't complaining at all about the developers, just my misconception that oneplus was what it used to be.

aforocars said:
I probably know the world of development a lot better than you think... , I wasn't complaining at all about the developers, just my misconception that oneplus was what it used to be.
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So we're basically saying the same thing? Alright then! Easy discussion. Maybe literally say you're disappointed in OnePlus next time, that would've made more sense.