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Question is the OnePlus 9pro still Worth getting

im thinking about buying the 9 pro but at has been out for a while should i just wait or should i pull the trigger need some advice

If you want it to install roms forget it, the developers have it very abandoned. For example, no developer has compiled a beta version for Android 12, But if you want to use it normally, I really recommend the 9 more because the 9 Pro with the Rom stock the battery is ****.

JesusOmarMJ23 said:
If you want it to install roms forget it, the developers have it very abandoned. For example, no developer has compiled a beta version for Android 12, But if you want to use it normally, I really recommend the 9 more because the 9 Pro with the Rom stock the battery is ****.
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yea im big on roms i might wait for a good deal on a one plus 8pro

As with most other devices, A12 roms are unlikely to be available until after the OOS 12 ROM is released (GA, not Beta).
There are lots of good A11 ROMs out there, and the phone itself (LE2125) is excellent. The stock OOS 11 is also very very good.
But hey, doesn't affect me one way or another what phone/ROM you use. I'm very happy with what I have!
Cheers

JesusOmarMJ23 said:
If you want it to install roms forget it, the developers have it very abandoned. For example, no developer has compiled a beta version for Android 12, But if you want to use it normally, I really recommend the 9 more because the 9 Pro with the Rom stock the battery is ****.
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A12 OOS official isn't out yet and most devs actually prefer to use finished sources before releasing anything to public. I'm sure some are building ROM's off the beta builds for testing but not releasing them. Also, only some people seem to have issues with the battery, heat, etc. I (and others) have no such issues with our 9pros even on stock OOS. I would suggest the phone to anyone honestly.

COCODRILO45 said:
im thinking about buying the 9 pro but at has been out for a while should i just wait or should i pull the trigger need some advice
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DON'T...
Go for pixel 6pro...

Wait for what ? OnePlus 10 ?
OnePlus 8 pro Oxygen OS too will get worse because of google BS.
About roms look in Development section.

COCODRILO45 said:
im thinking about buying the 9 pro but at has been out for a while should i just wait or should i pull the trigger need some advice
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Been using the device for over 3 months and can confidently say that nothing makes the device worth the price. The phone heats up with general use. Battery life is pretty ordinary. Not much into camera, screen and performance are the only saving grace.
If I was into ROMs, I would buy a device with the best price to specs ratio like mi 11 series or ROG 5 or even the standard 9 and upcoming 9RT. But avoid the 9 pro at all cost.

The answer for you will depend on your priorities ;-)
I needed a phone recently and found an open box 9 Pro on ebay within my budget. I wouldn't have bought this phone at msrp. My experience has overall been positive. The only time I've overheated the phone was transferring about 80 GB from my old phone before realizing both were on a heat soaked surface. Putting the phone where it could breathe resolved this. Even with extended gaming sessions, the phone has run cool since. Battery life more than meets my daily needs. PD support is ideal as that's what my pc uses at work, so I don't worry about carrying a charger. A 10 min top up at 45W from PD or 65W from the stock charger is a game changer. Going from 20-90% in ~12 mins on the included charger while making coffee & breakfast is great!
Note on battery life: I tend to power off my device for a few mins a couple times each month for consistency. Especially after the primary Google Assistant app updates (this one).
I'm a photography enthusiast and have been generally happy with the 9 Pro IQ. If you do end up getting this phone or the OP9, take some time to review the different options (like Photo, Pro, Portrait) and settings - they are extensive and can be fine tuned for your use case. Be sure to take some test shots to dial this in.
The biggest shortcoming is the selfie cam, which has low dynamic range, easily washing out. I installed gcam MGC by BSG (currently v8.1.101) and it takes much better selfie shots. For the rear facing sensors, the stock camera app vs. gcam HDR+ generally show parity.
My partner has a Pixel 5 so using her phone for selfies is also an option. I prefer the FOV on the OP tho.
The screen is gorgeous! I tried 60 hz vs 120 hz with lpto and noted little effect on battery life, so have remained on the latter. I've found FHD+ meets my needs as the screen size shows little benefit bumping up to QHD+. I appreciate the stock Screen Calibration options and find Advanced > AMOLED Wide Gamut gives the color palette I prefer.
Two things requiring workarounds for my use:
a) My previous phone had a notification light, which I used more than I realized. Rather than turn the screen on periodically, I enabled the Always on Display during my waking hours, problem solved.
b) Historically I've traveled internationally for work, so having dual sims has been a must. It looks like there is work from XDA devs underway to enable this if OP doesn't themselves. Otherwise my partner has an old mobile hotspot from her job I'll commandeer when/if work travel resumes.
Reviews that helped me make an informed decision:
o XDA Devs : of course!
o Notebookcheck
https://www.notebookcheck.net/OnePl...end-phone-charges-twice-as-fast.530399.0.html
o GSM Arena review and comparison to other phones
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_9_pro-10806.php
o Photography Blog
https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/oneplus_9_pro_review
o Danny Winget Youtube firmware comparison
Hope this helps!

In a lot of ways, the OnePlus 9 Pro is a great phone, with a super-smooth screen, the fastest wired and wireless charging, pleasant software, with a solid long-term update commitment. I even enjoy the camera.

aman2125 said:
Been using the device for over 3 months and can confidently say that nothing makes the device worth the price. The phone heats up with general use. Battery life is pretty ordinary. Not much into camera, screen and performance are the only saving grace.
If I was into ROMs, I would buy a device with the best price to specs ratio like mi 11 series or ROG 5 or even the standard 9 and upcoming 9RT. But avoid the 9 pro at all cost.
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Horrible advice

RumRunner19 said:
Horrible advice
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In hindsight; you may be right.
But, still, thermal issues are for sure my biggest gripe.
Besides, yeah, I do feel it is a good device, but getting it over Oneplus 9 or 9RT would depend on the user's preferences.

If your into rooting and modding, warp charging then yes. If you don't root then get a Pixel 6 Pro.

cultofluna said:
DON'T...
Go for pixel 6pro...
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Is it available for sale?

vangry2020 said:
If your into rooting and modding, warp charging then yes. If you don't root then get a Pixel 6 Pro.
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It's better to wait for Pixel 6 and see what it brings and see real time performance and then choose

cranberry_vanilla said:
It's better to wait for Pixel 6 and see what it brings and see real time performance and then choose
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Performance will be close at worst but when it comes to software and features and picture quality the Pixel 6 is on a whole different level. That's just my opinion.

vangry2020 said:
Performance will be close at worst but when it comes to software and features and picture quality the Pixel 6 is on a whole different level. That's just my opinion.
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Nobody really knows yet. Since Pixel 6 series is using a new in-house cpu (Tensor) and there are no reviews out yet (product ships on 10/28) so no one really knows what it's going to really perform like. I also would be curious if/how easy it will be to root or unlock bootloader since it's a totally different CPU architecture.

I came from a OnePlus 3T. Overall I think this phone is great, the camera and functionality is slick. I also appreciate that having the phone on max performance levels, screen brightness and sync enabled will impact the battery.
I like that it has an active community here, and on the OnePlus forums. I've logged a few bugs and evidenced how to recreate them. Am I unhappy about the companies communication style, not being open about throttling etc, yes. However I understand that people are human and make mistakes. It's still a young device released 6 months ago. Let's see where we are in a year from now

COCODRILO45 said:
yea im big on roms i might wait for a good deal on a one plus 8pro
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Funny enough, I was thinking recently if I should get the 8 pro as well. Specifically for rooting/custom ROMs. I'm currently using a OP6T (rooted with CrDroid ROM), I can literally get the 8 Pro for free with a screen protector + case and some cash left from my £500 Amazon giftcard. But I just don't know if I should get a 8 pro or not and I can't justify the purchase tbh

COCODRILO45 said:
yea im big on roms i might wait for a good deal on a one plus 8pro
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Be careful. I am not able to send text msgs randomly I am on Sprint/T-Mobile and nothing works. It's why I'm trying to get the 9 pro.

Question The Pixel 6 Pro absolutely lives up to the hype

My 6 Pro got delivered this morning and I've spent the entire day setting up and playing with it - this phone is absolutely incredible! (Also the nerd in me is happy to see people shortening the 6 Pro to 6P, I loved my Nexus 6P)
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Can't comment on battery life yet but wow, the display, the cameras and the speakers are all excellent! Haptics are nice and tight, the entire phone feels snappy and gorgeous! Also shout out to the natural depth effect from the 4x telephoto camera, that's a lot of fun to play with.
As someone who's owner multiple Pixel phones in the past, I think every reviewer is on the mark when they say this is the first no compromise Pixel - Google have outdone themselves I fully believe it deserves the hype it's getting!
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Got to admit I've never had a phone like it, not with as many bugs that's for sure especially the freezing screen one and still waiting for Google to certify my phone on my network for 5G so no 5G out of the box

Shipoftheline said:
Got to admit I've never had a phone like it, not with as many bugs that's for sure especially the freezing screen one and still waiting for Google to certify my phone on my network for 5G so no 5G out of the box
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and that search bar so annoying

alleshi said:
and that search bar so annoying
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Yep and no option to change or move it

Shipoftheline said:
Yep and no option to change or move it
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.....Except changing to a different launcher like Nova ( which is far better anyway ) which takes all of 30 seconds. Nice complaint.

Burt Squirtz said:
.....Except changing to a different launcher like Nova ( which is far better anyway ) which takes all of 30 seconds. Nice complaint.
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Yes we all buy phones like you so we can put Nova on

Shipoftheline said:
Yes we all buy phones like you so we can put Nova on
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By your logic, you may as well not download ANY apps on the playstore and just strictly use apps that are stock on the phone. Pfft.
Stock launchers, since the dawn of Android, have been the most atrocious launchers there are. I've been using Nova ever since Android Donut and have never looked back since.

It was one of the worst phones I've owned, sadly. Sold it in the end after 3 months.

Burt Squirtz said:
.....Except changing to a different launcher like Nova ( which is far better anyway ) which takes all of 30 seconds. Nice complaint.
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Totally agree. Nova fits my needs very well and gives me everything I want in a launcher, with one small (but sometimes big to me) caveat. Anyone else notice that when you go home from an app, you have to wait a split second before tapping on anything on the home screen in the Nova launcher? If you tap too quickly, the tap is ignored and you have to tap again. I believe this is a widespread issue that Nova has recognized and I think their stance is "that's how it's designed, take it or leave it."
Like I said, not a big deal and I'll take it like that. Just a little bummed out because it almost feels like I have a low/mid range phone that isn't fully ready to tackle that initial tap on the home screen because the processor is too slow or the RAM is too low. I really wish it picked up that first immediate tap when going back to the home screen after exiting an app, only thing I miss from the stock launcher. Ok, my rant is done.

I had a high degree of interest in the Pixel 6 pro but in the end a few things steered me in another direction:
- Canada wasn't deemed worthy of the 512 GB model.
- Placed an order for the 256 GB model Jan 01, was still waiting for it Feb 09.
- Spent my time learning as much as I could about the device while waiting for it only to come to the conclusion that
there are way to many unresolved issues with conectivity and audio DAC incomatability etc.
Hopefully they get it right with the Pixel 7 Pro and decide that all regions deserve the same storage options.

The only issue I've run into, is the signal level on the phone. In areas where I would have "full bars", on my old A71 samsung, I have 1/2 bars.

Running A12L and 13 radio. Finally, I am enjoying the phone. I've been on Pixel since OG XL and not an iPhone fan. Other Android phones may have better hardware, but blocking ads, easy rooting, and the best AI & ML are the most important factors for my loyalty.

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....... with one small (but sometimes big to me) caveat. Anyone else notice that when you go home from an app, you have to wait a split second before tapping on anything on the home screen in the Nova launcher? If you tap too quickly, the tap is ignored and you have to tap again. I believe this is a widespread issue that Nova has recognized and I think their stance is "that's how it's designed, take it or leave it."
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It's a well known issue with 3rd-party launchers and A12. I have the same experience with Smart Launcher and still can't find a solution.

I don't fully agree honestly.
There really hasn't been a phone released in the past 3 or 4 years that has lived up to any real hype.
Maybe the Foldables but those are not on my radar currently.
Phone tech is pretty stagnant and the biggest issue we have right now are companies releasing BETA products and BETA software to consumers.
Consumers keep buying into the hype and companies will keep releasing BETA products.
I have the P6P, P6 and a S21 Ultra.
My S21 Ultra has more advanced Google features than any of my Pixel 6's do.

MArtyChubbs said:
Running A12L and 13 radio. Finally, I am enjoying the phone. I've been on Pixel since OG XL and not an iPhone fan. Other Android phones may have better hardware, but blocking ads, easy rooting, and the best AI & ML are the most important factors for my loyalty.
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13 radio on 12L? worth it?

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Personally I have found the Pixel 6 Pro to be a very good phone. I have been fortunate that I have not had the issues that some have had and Fingerprint reader on the whole reads first time, no random reboots, battery that lasts all day even when only charged to 80% (and still leaves me with 30% before re-charging).
I have the Mobile Network Standby reading a stupid number (40%+ recently) but this was 6% back when I got it and the actually battery usage has not changed, so don't feel it is an issue of any consequence.
Signal wise, not had any issues, its about the same as my OnePlus 6T was but this gets 5G when in a signal area which that phone couldn't.
There have been some things I haven't liked in Android 12 and the Pixel Launcher, so I have kept the Apex Launcher I used on the OnePlus and have kept the backgrounds to a minimum to not trigger the colour theming (do prefer greyscale anyway).
On the phone pretty pleased with it and don't have anything that is annoying me.
Will soon swap to a eSim so that I can add my work Sim which from what I am hearing may cause an issue, but will see what happens, can always switch back if needs be until fixed.
One of the reasons for using Android is the freedom to customise things like the launcher and the experience. If I was going to stick solely to what the manufacturer was supplying then I would have an iPhone (Not )

can we just be civil please. We all bought a Pixel 6 because we are the 1%'ers (kind of like a biker club). There are lots of great things about the Pixel Launcher (fluidity, simplicity etc) but there are also great things about Nova Launcher (customization etc). So it's about personal preference - just like choosing a Pixel over a Samsung.
Many times when reading comments on a forum, its hard to get your point across (or the real meaning behind your comment gets hidden). So I just wanted everyone to think about that for a second.

Sui77 said:
13 radio on 12L? worth it?
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Works for me, best reception and speed I've had yet

I love my p6pro with root I'm on 12L and have experienced bugs though, like occasional freezing and unresponsive screen. The Bluetooth cuts out on my headphones sometimes, but it's still the best phone I've owned. No complaints at all here with the p6pro

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13 radio on 12L? worth it?
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I'm running the latest 12l radio on stock February update. Also the best bandwidth I've had yet.

Question Help me choose my next phone

Hi everyone, so i have a Redmi Note 9 Pro Max, and while it is a decent phone, MIUI and the various other issues of this phone made me lose trust in Xiaomi/Redmi and i want to upgrade to a more premium brand/phone.
my options are:
Pixel 6 pro
iphone 13 pro
Oppo Reno 5 Pro
wait for pixel 7 pro
S21 Ultra ( i dislike the s22 Ultra look/grip)
Oneplus 10 pro NOPE
I don't really game on my phone, but battery longevity and top notch performance with best cameras are my requirements but since am listing all premium phones i doubt any will have issues in those points right?
i was thinking of just going for an Iphone 13 Pro, but the switch from android to apple is worrisome as am used to the freedom of customization that Android allows, i am also a Flutter developer and debugging apps on android is much quicker/easier than on iOS, but i can't help but see the iphone 13 series just an all around premium, the look, the grip, its very different.
But if i want to go for a Pixel, shall i just wait for Pixel 7 pro when its released? or just get Pixel 6 Pro
Am very undecided...

If you don't mind oxygenos get the op10pro otherwise get a google pixel 6 pro if I'm not mistaken it's on sale right now

spart0n said:
If you don't mind oxygenos get the op10pro otherwise get a google pixel 6 pro if I'm not mistaken it's on sale right now
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Thank you for your response,
I've never had experience with oxygenos, is it comparable to MIUI?
Also doesn't the pixel 6 pro have several issues with hardware since the pixel 6 pro is the first phone to use googles in-house processor?

I am curious to see what the Nothing Phone delivers.....should be announced soon...

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Thank you for your response,
I've never had experience with oxygenos, isn't comparable to MIUI?
Also doesn't the pixel 6 pro have several issues with hardware since the pixel 6 pro is the first phone to use googles in-house processor?
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I've had a p6p and my wife has a p6 and we've had zero problems with them. The problems seem to be a hit or miss. And oxygenos is almost clean android

Start at the 7 minute mark for the pertinent content.

android_dan said:
Start at the 7 minute mark for the pertinent content.
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Jeeesus,i can see it in the thumbnail but i saw the video anyway... ye oneplus out!!!
didn't know the Oneplus 10 pro had a new feature: DIY foldable phone!

simlol12 said:
Hi everyone, so i have a Redmi Note 9 Pro Max, and while it is a decent phone, MIUI and the various other issues of this phone made me lose trust in Xiaomi/Redmi and i want to upgrade to a more premium brand/phone.
my options are:
Pixel 6 pro
iphone 13 pro
Oppo Reno 5 Pro
wait for pixel 7 pro
S21 Ultra ( i dislike the s22 Ultra look/grip)
Oneplus 10 pro
I don't really game on my phone, but battery longevity and top notch performance with best cameras are my requirements but since am listing all premium phones i doubt any will have issues in those points right?
i was thinking of just going for an Iphone 13 Pro, but the switch from android to apple is worrisome as am used to the freedom of customization that Android allows, i am also a Flutter developer and debugging apps on android is much quicker/easier than on iOS, but i can't help but see the iphone 13 series just an all around premium, the look, the grip, its very different.
But if i want to go for a Pixel, shall i just wait for Pixel 7 pro when its released? or just get Pixel 6 Pro
Am very undecided...
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I have Pixel 6 Pro now and unfortunately, I am one of those who has many bugs. I switched to the iPhone 13 Pro for a few days and now using the OnePlus 8T until the OnePlus 10 is released. I tried a few iPhones for a week and every time I go back to Android.

ram4ufriends said:
I have Pixel 6 Pro now and unfortunately, I am one of those who has many bugs. I switched to the iPhone 13 Pro for a few days and now using the OnePlus 8T until the OnePlus 10 is released. I tried a few iPhones for a week and every time I go back to Android.
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What made you switch back from Iphone? and what kind of issues did you experience with p6p?

Purchase the Pixel from Google and you have two weeks to return it. Surly by then you can decide yay or nay.

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What made you switch back from Iphone? and what kind of issues did you experience with p6p?
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I like the clean android experience, so Pixel and OnePlus are my options. With Pixel 6 Pro bugs and OnePlus planning to retire OxygenOS, I wanted to check if I can survive iPhone and I couldn't. I am planning to flash Evolution X ROM on my OnePlus 8T and try it out for few days.
Pixel 6 Pro Bugs:
Missed calls (Sometimes I don't get a call when my friends try reaching me, no voice mail, no missed call. Happens after a factory reset as well. I miss important calls as well)
Consistent Bluetooth disconnection from my car.
Occasional frame drops. Animations are smooth on Pixel 6 Pro, but it has occasional frame drops.
Finicky fingerprint.
iPhone issues for me:
Terrible notifications management
No YouTube Vanced
Screen TIme bug and a few other issues

it is up to you to decide. we cant decide what phone is best for you as we all look at phone differently. you be your own judge.

ram4ufriends said:
I like the clean android experience, so Pixel and OnePlus are my options. With Pixel 6 Pro bugs and OnePlus planning to retire OxygenOS, I wanted to check if I can survive iPhone and I couldn't. I am planning to flash Evolution X ROM on my OnePlus 8T and try it out for few days.
Pixel 6 Pro Bugs:
Missed calls (Sometimes I don't get a call when my friends try reaching me, no voice mail, no missed call. Happens after a factory reset as well. I miss important calls as well)
Consistent Bluetooth disconnection from my car.
Occasional frame drops. Animations are smooth on Pixel 6 Pro, but it has occasional frame drops.
Finicky fingerprint.
iPhone issues for me:
Terrible notifications management
No YouTube Vanced
Screen TIme bug and a few other issues
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ram4ufriends said:
I like the clean android experience, so Pixel and OnePlus are my options. With Pixel 6 Pro bugs and OnePlus planning to retire OxygenOS, I wanted to check if I can survive iPhone and I couldn't. I am planning to flash Evolution X ROM on my OnePlus 8T and try it out for few days.
Pixel 6 Pro Bugs:
Missed calls (Sometimes I don't get a call when my friends try reaching me, no voice mail, no missed call. Happens after a factory reset as well. I miss important calls as well)
Consistent Bluetooth disconnection from my car.
Occasional frame drops. Animations are smooth on Pixel 6 Pro, but it has occasional frame drops.
Finicky fingerprint.
iPhone issues for me:
Terrible notifications management
No YouTube Vanced
Screen TIme bug and a few other issues
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Well, it sounds like mostly software bugs, hopefully they'll patch em.
Oh man you're right. No YouTube Vanced oof...

Well, you ARE on a google pixel 6 forum...can't imagine what responses you will get. LOL

If you want something that just works and you use it in the way it was designed then the iPhone is a good candidate. If you want something that you can get to how you want it to look the the Pixel 6 Pro would still be my pick of Android devices.
Jumped from OnePlus as they have massively dropped the ball. Their devices are no longer cheap and their software has become very buggy and even slower to get updated.

I'm having the P6P and honestly I'm thinking of switching to samsung.
The phone is good don't get me wrong, but the battery life for me has been quite bad, considering always high mobile network battery drain(40% rn, and no workaround has helped me with that).
It falls down to your preference of which android skin you prefer the most, all of them are great in every requirement that you need, iphone 13pm wins the battery for sure, pixel is better on cameras if you're the kind of people that wants absolutely the most details possible on any level(It's better but not by a lot comparing to other phones).
Performance wise you won't notice difference between any of those, it can be again just the OS being laggy.
I don't know pixel just feels to simple for me, there's not a lot of customization in here, so I've had to root to gain more of what I want from a phone, install the addon features module for that and a couple of others.
So far yes, you can get lucky with the unit, and if you don't mind that pixel is a little bit more simple(kind of like iphone) in comparison with others, you can go for it.
The only 2 things that I hugely dislike about this phone is the battery life and just the simple OS, but I knew what I was going for so it's my fault that I've chose a phone with such limited and simple amount of settings.
I would wait for next samsung/pixel for now, and about current pixel, I cannot say for sure since I'm struggling with battery life, so cannot recommend a phone that I have problems with myself.
The /oneplus/oppo just don't cut it because of their android skins, iphone is better surely, but that's the phone that you'd want if you just want to buy it and use it without thinking about anything else.

I'd say wait and see what the P7P offers if you're not in a rush. Chances are it's going to just be a minor bump compared to the 6, as mobile tech has pretty much reached a peak for the time being. Unless the 2nd gen Tensor completely blows away the 1st gen, but even then probably won't see much difference in terms of every day usage. You could then just grab the p6p, which will probably have a nice discount by that time.

ram4ufriends said:
Pixel 6 Pro Bugs:
Missed calls (Sometimes I don't get a call when my friends try reaching me, no voice mail, no missed call. Happens after a factory reset as well. I miss important calls as well)
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That is actually an issue on the network side, not the phone. Basically the issue is that you connect to one network for data, and it needs to switch to another network for voice. Sometimes that network carrying voice is just not available and the call breaks. For example, if you have an LTE network that doesn't support VoLTE, then when a call comes in it has to switch down to HSPA. I've heard that "5G" networks are in a non-voice state, so they need to fall down to VoLTE or HSPA for a call. The solution is to lock your phone into a network that supports both data and voice. Like LTE with VoLTE enabled.
I had this problem *all the time* with my Pixel 2XL, which my network never authorized for VoLTE.
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Consistent Bluetooth disconnection from my car.
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That was DEFINITELY a problem for a while, but it was a software issue that has been fixed.
ram4ufriends said:
Occasional frame drops. Animations are smooth on Pixel 6 Pro, but it has occasional frame drops.
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Um, hardly worth mentioning.
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Finicky fingerprint.
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Fingerprint is probably not a good unlock method anyway, since it isn't clear if it is protected by the US 5th amendment or similar anti-self-incrimination laws in countries outside the US. GrapheneOS offers a hybrid unlock method that fully disables fingerprint on the lockscreen, but leaves it enabled for other places within the OS.

lesafijndt said:
I'm having the P6P and honestly I'm thinking of switching to samsung.
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Heh, P6P *is a samsuck*. Yes, I'm serious. Its an Exynos SoC+modem with a gooble sticker stuck onto it.

96carboard said:
Heh, P6P *is a samsuck*. Yes, I'm serious. Its an Exynos SoC+modem with a gooble sticker stuck onto it.
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Well, when it comes to hardware part sort of, but not so on software side and features/possibilities

Question Is the OnePlus 9 Pro worth buying in 2022?

I've purchased a renewed OnePlus 9 Pro from Amazon and will try it out. However, I am not committed to keeping the device yet. My concerns are likely similar to many: ColorOS as a replacement for OOS. I also have reservations about purchasing phones from country-controlled corporations. However, this is personal preference and no offense to others. Any input to the survey would be appreciated.

If you're not going to use a custom ROM, run far away.

johninsf said:
I've purchased a renewed OnePlus 9 Pro from Amazon and will try it out. However, I am not committed to keeping the device yet. My concerns are likely similar to many: ColorOS as a replacement for OOS. I also have reservations about purchasing phones from country-controlled corporations. However, this is personal preference and no offense to others. Any input to the survey would be appreciated.
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I have just last week bought a new OP 9 Pro for an amount equivalent to $580 roughly. I had OOS out of the box and now ver.11.2.10.10 after updating and not ColorOS. Based on the usage of about 3 days, I am happy with my purchase. No overheating or other bugs noticed so far . I had a OP 3 before for 6 years.

TNSMANI said:
I have just last week bought a new OP 9 Pro for an amount equivalent to $580 roughly. I had OOS out of the box and now ver.11.2.10.10 after updating and not ColorOS. Based on the usage of about 3 days, I am happy with my purchase. No overheating or other bugs noticed so far . I had a OP 3 before for 6 years.
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You're on OOS11, that's why you're happy with it. As long as you're cool being on outdated software on a flagship device, you will probably continue to enjoy it. Everything goes south when OOS12 comes into the equation though.

EtherealRemnant said:
You're on OOS11, that's why you're happy with it. As long as you're cool being on outdated software on a flagship device, you will probably continue to enjoy it. Everything goes south when OOS12 comes into the equation though.
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I am yet to read about the issues with OOS12. Once I do, I will decide about moving to it or blocking it. I had A11 custom ROM on my OP 3 and I am happy with A11. I am not mad about upgrading just for the sake of it. My philosophy is why meddle with it if it is running and performing to my satisfaction.
Anyway thanks for the warning!

OnePLus 9 Pro is still a Awesome phone.
On colorOS you will have notification bug, because notigication is made to work on chinese app/market. Not google. And clock alarm did not ring if the phone is power off (this is a problem. I have to wake up at 05.30 for work & i like to keep the phone off at night ).
On OxygeOS i did not have any issue on 12 or 12.1, but i did not root, unlock botloader.

I've been rocking OP9P le2125(which is my first OP) for about 5-6 months and I don't regret it whatsoever.
I Never gave oos, nor coloros a chance so can't say much about stock firmware besides reverting back to stock due to user error flashing this n that aimlessly.
I've always been a custom rom kinda guy ever since I discovered rooting existed many moons ago. The XDA forum is thriving with copius amounts of stable and actively maintained roms. Makes me feel like a kid in a candy store!
Forgive me once, for I'm getting a bit off course of this threads original topic.
IMO, the op9p is still a fantastic choice overall. My reasoning for buying op9p has easily been justified and continues to appease my andriod flasholism sort of speak lol.

We have just bought one each. Replacing our Xiaomi Mi 11. Even though these phone of the same time...and chipset, this phone is hugely better in every way. It feels new, fast and fresh, even though they're both SD888.
Antutu score shoe only a small jump...but everything is slick. Battery life is better. In fact, on these phones, battery life is improved by leaving 120hz on. The reason....adaptive refresh rate. When needed...the refresh rate drops to 1hz. Leave it is 60hz....and it is locked to 60hz.
We have the 12GB, 256 GB version,EU.

Its absolutely worth it. Plenty of ROMs if that's your thing and the stock firmware is really good.
I came from the Galaxy S20 with their bloated One UI and don't regret getting the OP9 Pro at all

@cave.man1908 @pjaysnowden @null0seven @TNSMANI @EtherealRemnant thank you for the replies!
I really appreciate your input!! Like @cave.man1908 says, XDA is awesome and you all prove it.
Q: Which custom rom has the most comprehensive functionality for OP9? (e.g. everything or most everything works without work-arounds or hacks)
Off-topic:
My P6P has been underwhelming with connectivity issues so I am considering jumping ship to a used/renewed device.
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I tried a new S22+ but sent it back. Even though it is a beautiful well made device, the largest display and font size settings do not adjust the status bar font size. This is trivial to most but a must-have for me due to my sh1tty vision + I hate using the magnifying app.
Even further off-topic:
In the past 2 weeks, I broke two phone displays while traveling on holiday = vacation in US = Without insurance which I have never forgone on a device since 2011. I have never broken a phone or display going way back to 1999 flip phones (read old man). As such, I was way overdue, I guess.
Again thanks for the feedback and to those who hit the survey.

johninsf said:
@cave.man1908 @pjaysnowden @null0seven @TNSMANI @EtherealRemnant thank you for the replies!
I really appreciate your input!! Like @cave.man1908 says, XDA is awesome and you all prove it.
Q: Which custom rom has the most comprehensive functionality for OP9? (e.g. everything or most everything works without work-arounds or hacks)
Off-topic:
My P6P has been underwhelming with connectivity issues so I am considering jumping ship to a used/renewed device.
Off-off-topic:
I tried a new S22+ but sent it back. Even though it is a beautiful well made device, the largest display and font size settings do not adjust the status bar font size. This is trivial to most but a must-have for me due to my sh1tty vision + I hate using the magnifying app.
Even further off-topic:
In the past 2 weeks, I broke two phone displays while traveling on holiday (vacation in US = Without insurance which I have never forgone on a device since 2011. I have never broken a phone or display going way back to 1999 flip phones (read old man). As such, I was way overdue, I guess.
Again thanks for the feedback and to those who hit the survey.
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I couldn't tell you about RoMs. Personally, I find OxygenOS 12 to be perfectly ok. It is slick....and nearly stock. I have rooted mine with Magisk and removed some bits and pieces....but mostly I root to install Adaway....which is a must for me.
I think you will be happy with stock.

johninsf said:
@cave.man1908 @pjaysnowden @null0seven @TNSMANI @EtherealRemnant thank you for the replies!
I really appreciate your input!! Like @cave.man1908 says, XDA is awesome and you all prove it.
Q: Which custom rom has the most comprehensive functionality for OP9? (e.g. everything or most everything works without work-arounds or hacks)
Off-topic:
My P6P has been underwhelming with connectivity issues so I am considering jumping ship to a used/renewed device.
Off-off-topic:
I tried a new S22+ but sent it back. Even though it is a beautiful well made device, the largest display and font size settings do not adjust the status bar font size. This is trivial to most but a must-have for me due to my sh1tty vision + I hate using the magnifying app.
Even further off-topic:
In the past 2 weeks, I broke two phone displays while traveling on holiday (vacation in US = Without insurance which I have never forgone on a device since 2011. I have never broken a phone or display going way back to 1999 flip phones (read old man). As such, I was way overdue, I guess.
Again thanks for the feedback and to those who hit the survey.
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StagOS 12.1 is incredible. I have zero desire to go back to stock. The only major issue it has is that after a reboot, the microphone and in-call volume control don't work right on my 9 until I make a call and engage and then disengage the speakerphone once. It works fine after that and hopefully this bug will be fixed soon as it's one of the first to be based on OOS12 firmware and it will take time to fully sort out. I have been running it for a few days and the battery life is insane and no sluggish performance like OOS because the SoC throttle isn't in this kernel.
I never really messed with font sizes on stock but StagOS is like Pixelized AOSP and I just tested and can confirm that both font and UI size adjustments increase the size of the font in the status bar.
Sorry for your luck with the broken screens! I have yet to do that going back to my first phones - a cheap Cricket Audiovox I had for a few days, a Nokia 5190 my mom gave me, and the Nokia 3390 Gold I bought because it had AOL Instant Messenger back in 2001, so I stopped getting insurance too. I know it's probably just a matter of time but I do put a Spigen Tough Armor on every phone I get for those times dropping the phone happens and so far, it's been more than enough.

golfgtiedition30 said:
Its absolutely worth it. Plenty of ROMs if that's your thing and the stock firmware is really good.
I came from the Galaxy S20 with their bloated One UI and don't regret getting the OP9 Pro at all
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Thank you @golfgtiedition30
FYI, I have had two GTIs in my lifetime. 1984 and 1997 VR6.
The '84 was spectacular fun. I got so many speeding tickets. It was unbelievably nimble.

johninsf said:
Thank you @golfgtiedition30
FYI, I have had two GTIs in my lifetime. 1984 and 1997 VR6.
The '84 was spectacular fun. I got so many speeding tickets. It was unbelievably nimble.
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I had the MK2 and currently own my 2008 MK5 Edition 30. Its a wonderful car!!
Pleased to help your decision

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StagOS 12.1 is incredible. I have zero desire to go back to stock. The only major issue it has is that after a reboot, the microphone and in-call volume control don't work right on my 9 until I make a call and engage and then disengage the speakerphone once. It works fine after that and hopefully this bug will be fixed soon as it's one of the first to be based on OOS12 firmware and it will take time to fully sort out. I have been running it for a few days and the battery life is insane and no sluggish performance like OOS because the SoC throttle isn't in this kernel.
I never really messed with font sizes on stock but StagOS is like Pixelized AOSP and I just tested and can confirm that both font and UI size adjustments increase the size of the font in the status bar.
Sorry for your luck with the broken screens! I have yet to do that going back to my first phones - a cheap Cricket Audiovox I had for a few days, a Nokia 5190 my mom gave me, and the Nokia 3390 Gold I bought because it had AOL Instant Messenger back in 2001, so I stopped getting insurance too. I know it's probably just a matter of time but I do put a Spigen Tough Armor on every phone I get for those times dropping the phone happens and so far, it's been more than enough.
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Thank you for checking the font size in status bar! I am shocked (not really) that S22 doesn't adjust. I had the Note9 which I loved but it had the same issue with OneUI 2.0 and hoped they had changed this.
I need to get comfy with custom ROMs again. It has been so long since I used one as my daily.

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Thank you for checking the font size in status bar! I am shocked (not really) that S22 doesn't adjust. I had the Note9 which I loved but it had the same issue with OneUI 2.0 and hoped they had changed this.
I need to get comfy with custom ROMs again. It has been so long since I used one as my daily.
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Flashing ROMs gets addictive lol. If I had a 9 Pro, I would be flashing it all of the time because of the huge wealth of ROMs that were ported for the 9 Pro and not the 9.

johninsf said:
@cave.man1908 @pjaysnowden @null0seven @TNSMANI @EtherealRemnant thank you for the replies!
I really appreciate your input!! Like @cave.man1908 says, XDA is awesome and you all prove it.
Q: Which custom rom has the most comprehensive functionality for OP9? (e.g. everything or most everything works without work-arounds or hacks)
Off-topic:
My P6P has been underwhelming with connectivity issues so I am considering jumping ship to a used/renewed device.
Off-off-topic:
I tried a new S22+ but sent it back. Even though it is a beautiful well made device, the largest display and font size settings do not adjust the status bar font size. This is trivial to most but a must-have for me due to my sh1tty vision + I hate using the magnifying app.
Even further off-topic:
In the past 2 weeks, I broke two phone displays while traveling on holiday = vacation in US = Without insurance which I have never forgone on a device since 2011. I have never broken a phone or display going way back to 1999 flip phones (read old man). As such, I was way overdue, I guess.
Again thanks for the feedback and to those who hit the survey.
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Let it be known though that if you choose to go custom, one major thing you won't be able to have is the oos camera. Decent amount of ppl stay stock or even revert back to stock just to have it. However, there are plenty of alternatives. Along with the plethora of roms available, so is an abundance of gcam(google camera) mods. Other than that, really just minor bugs here and there(purely my opinion). that tend to get addressed fairly quickly thx to the amazing minds and talents of the devs, builders, maintaners, etc... That create such Magisk us end users get to experience. The support within the op9p community is nothing short of amazing.
I'd recommend maybe surfin op9p Telegram channels to get more insight of the community and just how active it truly is.

#1 option was closest for me.
WARNING:
Highly Opinionated Content follows (LOL)
I would say so (worth buying it in 2022) because it has 2X the storage of the 10 Pro model supported in US and 12GB RAM (vs. 8GB), a metal frame (vs. a much more accidentally foldable/crunchable plastic one...) and couple other things. Snapdragon 888 is still a high end processor. But to each their own. I studied differences hard between 9 Pro and 10 Pro (and few other mfgr's models) and decision was easy for me.
Before I had even decided on which phone (or brand) I wanted, good custom ROM's support was a non-negotiable. Especially LineageOS for my own reasons.
As far as camera quality I am one of those "weirdos" that thinks if you want a pro photographer quality digital camera THEN BUY A PRO PHOTOGRAPHER QUALITY DIGITAL CAMERA... don't expect your smartphone to be one or you are just going to be disappointed.
Yes that is just my opinion but I've seen a lot of sales hype over the years -- and at the end of the day it comes down to how well a phone's cameras are supported even by the vendor's own software developers. So don't hold your breath -- and even more so, don't expect android developers who can only "make" a few bucks per license sold and compete in the app market to come to your rescue and support your phone mfgr's choice of camera sensors any better than the mfgrs themselves do. It is truly great and amazing how well so many independent Android camera software developers support so many different phone models when they can, and the open development platform is one of the reasons I will always choose Android over the others -- but my point is the indie camera software devs do not always have great incentive or an uninhibited shot at doing so. Sometimes the camera hardware is very deliberately just a black box...
I am glad this phone's cameras have some decent software support options (stock OOS or otherwise) but I am not surprised there is basically nothing that supports them perfectly. This isn't my first flagship model lacking in the camera software support department.... our last phones were LG V20's...
In my opinion you just have to decide whether a phone's price is worth only mediocre camera support even if it has high end camera sensors. That is usually going to be the case. AT BEST. Because the hardware vendor is most likely going to "move on" before you want them to.
(because we continue to reward this type of business model and development model with more business, ie, we tolerate it and keep buying more of their unfinished products).
I'm just being realistic.
We ran V20's for as long as we did (~4 years) for their other features, which basically no longer exist in newly manufactured phones. Like a removable/replaceable battery, headphone jack onboard, etc.
And the sooner you figure out your phone's cameras aren't there for YOUR enjoyment the better off you are gonna be...
But if you want a brand new one and you haven't pulled trigger yet, you better hurry, or somebody is gonna be laughing all the way to the bank...

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If you're not going to use a custom ROM, run far away.
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Is there any custom ROM that works?
Tried multiple, but I have problems with recording audio.
Equal to no sound on snapchat and camera recording.
To OP:
I were very pleased with OnePlus 8 Pro, but I cracked it and had to buy a OnePlus 9 Pro. Worst thing after android 12 came. Had some problems on 11, but its messy on 12. Even considering apple for next phone.
If i were to buy today, I would have bought samsung even knowing of all the bloatware.

zwirc said:
Is there any custom ROM that works?
Tried multiple, but I have problems with recording audio.
Equal to no sound on snapchat and camera recording.
To OP:
I were very pleased with OnePlus 8 Pro, but I cracked it and had to buy a OnePlus 9 Pro. Worst thing after android 12 came. Had some problems on 11, but its messy on 12. Even considering apple for next phone.
If i were to buy today, I would have bought samsung even knowing of all the bloatware.
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Use the OOS11-based StagOS until the C.48 ROMs get fixed. The new firmware always poses new problems but I am sure they will get sorted quickly. The OOS11-based StagOS was great too though.
It's too bad that the fix I found for my microphone and speaker issues on my 9 doesn't work for the 9 Pro. Whenever I reboot, I just have to load the stock dialer, make a call, turn the speakerphone on, and turn it back off, then everything works fine on StagOS C.48. Unfortunately when I told someone with a 9 Pro to try it, they said it didn't work.

Question Anyone upgrade from 8T, is it worth it?

Hi, all.
Had my 8T since Dec 2020 (longest ever for a device), and just can't find a device worth upgrading to. Anyone here jumped to 11 and thinks it was worth it?
Thanks!

I made the jump from the 8T to the 11 and I like it (mostly). The phone is super-fast and the software is pretty darn good. I'm starting to get antsy for some custom ROM's though (eg: paranoid android, pixel extended, etc).
The only thing I didn't really like (at the beginning) was the waterfall display on the edges. I don't really notice it any more but (personally) I prefer flat displays.

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I made the jump from the 8T to the 11 and I like it (mostly). The phone is super-fast and the software is pretty darn good. I'm starting to get antsy for some custom ROM's though (eg: paranoid android, pixel extended, etc).
The only thing I didn't really like (at the beginning) was the waterfall display on the edges. I don't really notice it any more but (personally) I prefer flat displays.
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Good deal. I just feel like 8T is still plenty fast until they discontinue the update support here in a year or so. How's the camera on 11?

1. This is not OxygenOS. I wouldn't say it's complete crap but it's leaves a lot to be desired.
2. Battery life is poor.
3. Camera is barely any better than for my even older than yours OnePlus.
4. Yeah, it's fast, too bad it's overheating even when using light apps like Google Maps.
I've no idea what to upgrade to but I'm not a fan of OnePlus 11 by a long shot. I've heard some Lenovo/Motorola and Asus phones feature a ROM which is close to stock Android.
Oh, and the Pixel 7 Pro is certainly an option as well, though stock Google Android is missing a ton of features from OxygenOS, even simple ones such as double tap to wake (it can be single tapped to wake but that leads to an extreme number of unnecessary wake up's).

I can't recommend it.
I have 8T and with the update to A13 it went way down in terms of sw quality :/
That worse sw quality + unreliable USB-C connecter made me looking for other devices.
After watching some reviews I got an incorrect impression that the OS/SW is better on OnePlus11...
But it's not...
- constantly fighting with android auto, when you connect the phone to your car, usually 1st attempt works, 2nd and any following doesn't and you need to do some dance like usb debug enable/disable or reboot to make it working...
- now with latest update, it has broken pressed state so most of apps don't have it visible
- whole UI is weirdly bloated, I prefer more dense content, I was already using the custom DPI value to override it, now the number must be even higher, but this value doesn't survive reboot... what a pain, if I have to reboot every other day...
- Notifications UX is somehow weird comparing to pixel 7 with A13, I have hard time to just dismiss it by swiping it out, very annoying.
- I don't like much the oneplus photos app, so I just disable it to get rid of it. What a surprise to see that the camera app has the oneplus photos app hardwired, so it it doesn't open any photos app, so I had to reenable it back again just to be able to see a history of photos directly from camera app...

Thanks, guys. My wife has a pixel 7 (non-pro) and I don't like it at all lol I hear youtubers raging about xiaomi and other Chinese phones (hell, OP is one also), but I'm on the fence on those due to security and update support.
Is Samsung any better than when it had that weird UI back in the day?

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Thanks, guys. My wife has a pixel 7 (non-pro) and I don't like it at all lol I hear youtubers raging about xiaomi and other Chinese phones (hell, OP is one also), but I'm on the fence on those due to security and update support.
Is Samsung any better than when it had that weird UI back in the day?
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I can't recommend it.
I have 8T and with the update to A13 it went way down in terms of sw quality :/
That worse sw quality + unreliable USB-C connecter made me looking for other devices.
After watching some reviews I got an incorrect impression that the OS/SW is better on OnePlus11...
But it's not...
- constantly fighting with android auto, when you connect the phone to your car, usually 1st attempt works, 2nd and any following doesn't and you need to do some dance like usb debug enable/disable or reboot to make it working...
- now with latest update, it has broken pressed state so most of apps don't have it visible
- whole UI is weirdly bloated, I prefer more dense content, I was already using the custom DPI value to override it, now the number must be even higher, but this value doesn't survive reboot... what a pain, if I have to reboot every other day...
- Notifications UX is somehow weird comparing to pixel 7 with A13, I have hard time to just dismiss it by swiping it out, very annoying.
- I don't like much the oneplus photos app, so I just disable it to get rid of it. What a surprise to see that the camera app has the oneplus photos app hardwired, so it it doesn't open any photos app, so I had to reenable it back again just to be able to see a history of photos directly from camera app...
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I must be one of the lucky ones because I haven't had any issues with the USB charger, battery life (I can get almost 2 full days if I really stretch it out), Android Auto, the notifications or the photo app. I agree that it's not the Oxygen OS we've grown accustomed to but it's not the worst thing in the world (in my opinion).
But to each his own. Everyone has to make their own decision on what they can live with and what they can't.
I'd love to have a Pixel for the streamlined OS but the charging speed to stupid slow compared to the OnePlus 11 (hell, even the OnePlus 8t is way faster at charging). The camera on the OnePlus 11 is (for me) fine for the daily quick photo but I have a Canon DSLR that I use if I really want a good photo.
RussianBear, my suggestion is the try the OnePlus 11. If you like it, great. If not, send it back.

I just can't seem to justify paying full retail for this thing. It'd have to be that much better than 8T for me to drop near 1k (looking for max specs) on a new phone. Their 100 day gimmick is cool, tho lol

birdie said:
1. This is not OxygenOS. I wouldn't say it's complete crap but it's leaves a lot to be desired.
2. Battery life is poor.
3. Camera is barely any better than for my even older than yours OnePlus.
4. Yeah, it's fast, too bad it's overheating even when using light apps like Google Maps.
I've no idea what to upgrade to but I'm not a fan of OnePlus 11 by a long shot. I've heard some Lenovo/Motorola and Asus phones feature a ROM which is close to stock Android.
Oh, and the Pixel 7 Pro is certainly an option as well, though stock Google Android is missing a ton of features from OxygenOS, even simple ones such as double tap to wake (it can be single tapped to wake but that leads to an extreme number of unnecessary wake up's).
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I have 10-9hrs average screen on time while traveling.
Nothing overheats while having gps navigation active during my trips.
SOT are great, especially when I switched from OP7Pro.

I enjoy using my OnePlus 11, it's my first day to day device back with Android since I left behind the 6T and went to the iPhone lol The camera has improved to the point where it can be in the conversation with the Pixel and Galaxy phones, OxygenOS isn't as clunky as I thought it would be, and 80W charging is amazing.

GoldChildTX said:
I enjoy using my OnePlus 11, it's my first day to day device back with Android since I left behind the 6T and went to the iPhone lol The camera has improved to the point where it can be in the conversation with the Pixel and Galaxy phones, OxygenOS isn't as clunky as I thought it would be, and 80W charging is amazing.
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I jumped from 6T to 8T

Camera is snappier, fast charging, more battery, faster device.

I moved from OP8T to OP11, and the first big thing is the vastly superior battery life of the 11.
Wiht my OP8T I had grown used to the idea that i would need to take a powerbank with me if i was going to be out all day, and that it would need to be left on charge overnight to ensure it was full in the morning - before going out for day , my new OP11 - at the moment easily lasts all day - and no longer needs an overnight charge
So OP11 has
better battery life
much nicer screen
its faster/ more responsive
havent had enough time to use the camera yet - but first impressions are its an improvement over the 8T

I have the 11 and 8T and much prefer my 8T. I'm actually actively trying to sell my 11. I probably would have a different opinion if OnePlus didn't take away a person's rights to fix their phones themselves with MSM, but that's mostly an Oppo issue. I tinker with my 8T because I know if I botch something, MSM will save my ass.

RussianBear said:
I just can't seem to justify paying full retail for this thing. It'd have to be that much better than 8T for me to drop near 1k (looking for max specs) on a new phone. Their 100 day gimmick is cool, tho lol
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Then you can wait a bit for a lower price and I think the 100 day offer ended on April 30th. I've upgraded from both OP6 and 9 and I think it was worth it. Some people have hardware issues as it happens with any brand, while some just need a factory reset to straight up things. Everything is running perfectly here. Everything launches faster, haven't had heat issues, not even with Maps and the five year updates gives the thing longevity. Battery life is also lasting much more than OP9 despite using OOS. The only thing I wish is to once more have tools like MSM publicly available and of course, custom development which might come one day.