Hi all. I am debating the switch from the regular 6 to the pro.
Looks I will be getting bigger higher refresh screen (pro) which is curved (con) and with worse battery life.
One thing that is not clear to me - is the zoom lens used in any other situations than when actively selecting it? For example - which of the lenses is being used when you select the portrait mode in the camera app? Is it using the telephoto lens to battle the fish eye effect?
monocay said:
Hi all. I am debating the switch from the regular 6 to the pro.
Looks I will be getting bigger higher refresh screen (pro) which is curved (con) and with worse battery life.
One thing that is not clear to me - is the zoom lens used in any other situations than when actively selecting it? For example - which of the lenses is being used when you select the portrait mode in the camera app? Is it using the telephoto lens to battle the fish eye effect?
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I have never gotten the telephoto lens to show up in gcam. Only the 50MP wide cam and the 12MP ultra wide cam. The 50 gives you zoom options but the 48MP telephoto never shows up
monocay said:
Hi all. I am debating the switch from the regular 6 to the pro.
Looks I will be getting bigger higher refresh screen (pro) which is curved (con) and with worse battery life.
One thing that is not clear to me - is the zoom lens used in any other situations than when actively selecting it? For example - which of the lenses is being used when you select the portrait mode in the camera app? Is it using the telephoto lens to battle the fish eye effect?
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It's a 4x telephoto, which is a lot for portraits (so portraits are taken using main camera at 2x magnification).
No, it's not being used for enhancing ultrawide. I suppose it's also because if the same reason mentioned above (OnePlus uses it's 2x tele for this as well).
Telephoto is really only useful for zooming 4x and up all the way to 20x, when photos are still kinda useful (depending on a scenario), thanks to being a 50 MP sensor and some Google's AI magic.
I take a lot of zoomed pictures and I don't mind curved display. Battery is okay, 6 hours of SOT are real for me, usually on social networks and news scrolling. Sometimes I play a League of Legends, than it will drop to 4-5 hours.
Zoom lens is for... zooming in. I would think that would be self-explanatory?
It kicks in when the magnification reaches about 4.5x. Switching between sensors is exclusively a matter of changing the magnification level, not by "selecting" a particular camera. There are other details considered before switching sensors, such as exposure requirements.
You can tell which sensor is in use by briefly blocking sensors with your finger. When you see your finger on the screen, you found the sensor that is in use.
Yeah, thanks
What was not clear to me was if it is being used when shooting portrait photos, as some phones (e.g. Oneplus) do.
Looks like this is not the case.
I will stick with my vanilla 6 then, not missing out on much, subjectively.
monocay said:
Yeah, thanks
What was not clear to me was if it is being used when shooting portrait photos, as some phones (e.g. Oneplus) do.
Looks like this is not the case.
I will stick with my vanilla 6 then, not missing out on much, subjectively.
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Portrait photos can be made with ANY lens, depending on the distance and direction to the subject(s).
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Portrait photos can be made with ANY lens, depending on the distance and direction to the subject(s).
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Is it so? How does the portrait UI looks on Pixel 6 Pro? On the vanilla pixel I have the options to shoot it in 1x and 2x only. Does the pro version offer a higher magnification, using the zoom lens instead of main one?
monocay said:
Is it so? How does the portrait UI looks on Pixel 6 Pro? On the vanilla pixel I have the options to shoot it in 1x and 2x only. Does the pro version offer a higher magnification, using the zoom lens instead of main one?
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No. 1x and 2x are the only options available. The telephoto lens isn't used in portrait mode.
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anyone have success in running google pixels camera on P10 for HDR +, and what other camera apps You use ?
I use Cortex camera for quality slow photography (multi processing) like S8 but much more frames (s8 takes 3 photos and combine them) Cortex use 10 - 100 photos for best quality.
I also use A better camera, but still missing Super sensor option on P10 for best output.
Stock camera use too much sharpening for landscapes and distance objects, but it is fine for near objects...
I've not had any problems with the stock camera and can't get Google pixel camera to install.
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Google camera apk with hdr enabled
Not working with my mate 9
Anyone having problems with the panorama photos they are crap! The joins are rubbish and any horizon shots I take look like the Manhattan skyline!
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Looks mostly fine to me when shooting horizontal panoramas. The only vertical panorama I've shot is blurry on one half and I don't like manual switching between shooting vertical and horizontal panoramas. Overall I like samsung's panorama user experience better but I think I'll live
The Huawei Leica camera also use stacking when processing the pictures.
ClausG76 said:
The Huawei Leica camera also use stacking when processing the pictures.
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Yes but stack bw & color photo? result is fine details but also some noise is present.
The P10 raw image have very high dynamic range. So it can stack them like the Pixel does.
https://youtu.be/Fuqz_iiodSM
Here is my test against Galaxy S8, what You think about camera ? sry for maybe boring music
Video part is recorded on Huawei P10 in 4K..
streetewok said:
Anyone having problems with the panorama photos they are crap! The joins are rubbish and any horizon shots I take look like the Manhattan skyline!
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Yes they are ... Huawei have to improve ?
The panorama is really not good. I hope Huawei will fix it soon.
For now, I have a photo for you all I made with my P10. Nothing edited, shot in manual mode free handed.
Hola
RE: P10 Camera a talk
I'm seeing much better results than Pixel or iPhone 7.
Quiet satisfied with the camera but I hope they will port PanoSphere to their Camera Mode
This is one shot with a really hard light, the phone however did a really great job.
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This is one shot with a really hard light, the phone however did a really great job.
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You edit it?
A bit of snapseed, I used hdr filter and some detail.
Coguar said:
anyone have success in running google pixels camera on P10 for HDR +, and what other camera apps You use ?
I use Cortex camera for quality slow photography (multi processing) like S8 but much more frames (s8 takes 3 photos and combine them) Cortex use 10 - 100 photos for best quality.
I also use A better camera, but still missing Super sensor option on P10 for best output.
Stock camera use too much sharpening for landscapes and distance objects, but it is fine for near objects...
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Just casually run into this thread (I own a Mi5s) since I have also looked for alternatives to Google's multiframe hdr+.
On the Mi5s Cortex works wonderfully on low light still subjects. But my favorite app is Snap Hdr Camera on multiframe Nightmode (usually set to 4-8 frames) for those shots that require iso 400-2000, much faster than Cortex, and better than Better Camera on my phone. Incidentally Almalence, Better Camera's developper has licensed its technology to Huawei in the past.
Is there a way to completely disable all the beautification and bokeh options for the front camera? I don't like the effect at all and disabling it every time can't be the only solution.
That's weird. On my phone, it's only on if i left it on the last time I used the camera..
As the title says
I've been playing around with my phone and while trying to cover the lenses one by one and changing camera mode, this is what I found :
The main middle camera Is the 32mp one and I can cover it when taking normal pictures
The zoomed out camera (I don't remember the technical name) is the top one
I then tried the 3d function of Google measure but it still uses the middle one
So any idea about what the bottom camera is for?
Thanks in advance!
Depth sensor, it's used for live view
Sweet! Thanks for the reply and merry Christmas! (if you celebrate it anyway)
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Depth sensor, it's used for live view
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This is incorrect.
It is in fact the bottom camera, ie the one directly above the flash, that does the Ultra Wide photography.
The one in the middle is the high resolution, normal camera with 32 MP.
The top camera, ie closest to the edge of the phone, does depth measuring. This has a low resolution but has the same zoom percentage as the high resolution camera. It has 5MP.
So I noticed that the zoom lens only activates at 5x zoom. You can see this by covering the lens with your finger and zooming in.
I gather this must mean that the optical 4x lens is fixed at 4x, but as it only kicks in at 5x zoom you can never get 4x optical zoom shots as it is cropped to 5x ?
This would also mean that up to 5x zoom you are just getting a digital crop of the main lens?
Am I missing something here? Seems a little weird that you cant get a 4x optical shot with a 4x optical lens fitted.
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So I noticed that the zoom lens only activates at 5x zoom. You can see this by covering the lens with your finger and zooming in.
I gather this must mean that the optical 4x lens is fixed at 4x, but as it only kicks in at 5x zoom you can never get 4x optical zoom shots as it is cropped to 5x ?
This would also mean that up to 5x zoom you are just getting a digital crop of the main lens?
Am I missing something here? Seems a little weird that you cant get a 4x optical shot with a 4x optical lens fitted.
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Googles periscope lens doesn't kick in a "fixed" manner, it uses an algorithm (ambient light, shaking, distance to object etc) to decide "on its own" when to kick in the dedicated zoom lens. You can easily test this out/replicate this by lowering the light in your room/and or change your distance to your desired object and see that the point where periscope lens kicks in, changes.
Best just try to focus on the amount of details you can see, if you play around with it, you can quickly see through the Preview when periscope kicks in, since that will improve the amount of details in your preview window significantly.
Many people here want "fixed" values, but as of now, Google doesn't offer that.
This is also a big problem in reviews, since those people don't know about this limitation and you can often see a "here, 4x shot, not looking good" and my eyes tell me "jea, that's a digital crop, you m*ron" and none are the wiser.
So your saying you never know whether you will get a crop or an optical zoom shot at 4x, this makes the 4x lens pointless imho.
Google are basically stopping you using a feature of the phone whenever you want. If every zoom shot is a gamble on cropped or optical, decided by the phone, surely they are stopping you from getting the best performance from the camera every shot/zoom length.
If I choose a 4x shot I want optical every time or I may as well have bought the 6 instead of the pro and saved some money.
The deciding factor on whether it's digital zoom or the telephoto lens is the distance of the object. I estimate the telephoto lens minimum focus distance is around 4 feet. As you go between close and far objects, you can see the stutter between the digital 4x and telephoto 4x. You could always cover the either the main lens or telephoto and figure it out too. What they really need to do is add an icon in the camera app that lets you know it's 4x digital zoom or 4x telephoto.
This isn't something that's only unique to the 6 Pro.
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What they really need to do is add an icon in the camera app that lets you know it's 4x digital zoom or 4x telephoto.
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This. I think that's the best solution for now, let people know what they have at the moment.
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So your saying you never know whether you will get a crop or an optical zoom shot at 4x, this makes the 4x lens pointless imho.
Google are basically stopping you using a feature of the phone whenever you want. If every zoom shot is a gamble on cropped or optical, decided by the phone, surely they are stopping you from getting the best performance from the camera every shot/zoom length.
If I choose a 4x shot I want optical every time or I may as well have bought the 6 instead of the pro and saved some money.
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The threshold in the HAL is at about 4.3x provided that all the other requirements for the switch are met. You can see the image "jump" slightly when it crosses the threshold because the image characteristics do not match perfectly. So yes, you can definitely tell which sensor it is using.
The reason why they don't alert you to which sensor it is using is because they (gooble) think they're smarter than you and better able to pick the right sensor.
Another thing to keep in mind is if the 4x telephoto was the default, anything too close would be immediately blurry. Then how do you switch to a digital zoom?
They could just give us a way of selecting the lens in use manually. Instead of treating us all like idiots.
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They could just give us a way of selecting the lens in use manually. Instead of treating us all like idiots.
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Good luck with that. Truly given the way the entire world is being run right now, its pretty clear that the vast majority of people *ARE* idiots. And that is putting it mildly. So best way to make money is to sell to the majority, who are stupid enough to trust government -- those people clearly can't think for themselves.
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So your saying you never know whether you will get a crop or an optical zoom shot at 4x, this makes the 4x lens pointless imho.
Google are basically stopping you using a feature of the phone whenever you want. If every zoom shot is a gamble on cropped or optical, decided by the phone, surely they are stopping you from getting the best performance from the camera every shot/zoom length.
If I choose a 4x shot I want optical every time or I may as well have bought the 6 instead of the pro and saved some money.
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yes, return your pro and get the 6. be happier.
It's worse on video. I took a supposedly 4x video of my dog and it looks terrible. Pixelated, oversharpened and unusable.
MacGuy2006 said:
It's worse on video. I took a supposedly 4x video of my dog and it looks terrible. Pixelated, oversharpened and unusable.
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Do you have 4k60fps enabled?
For some odd reason, Google only allows the dedicated sensors to kick in if you use 30fps, since both the ultrawide and Tele module do not support 4k60fps.
So if you zoom in whilst having 4k60fps enabled, it will always be a digital zoom.
This is one of the most annoying features. The 4x lense can focus as reasonably close range but the "ai" deciding to either crop and main lense or switch to the periscope is crap.
You can trick it by switching to 4x and focusing on a distant object and back again and hope it's just within range.
People ask why use it so close, but the 4x can really aid in composing a shot without the wide distortions.
Another issue is if you adjust anything like HDR or temperature on the main lense and switch focal length to other options it doesn't switch to the actual lense you want anymore!!
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It's worse on video. I took a supposedly 4x video of my dog and it looks terrible. Pixelated, oversharpened and unusable.
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You can't use the telephoto sensor for video. Only the other two.
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This is one of the most annoying features. The 4x lense can focus as reasonably close range but the "ai" deciding to either crop and main lense or switch to the periscope is crap.
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In my book, that's an idiotic "feature" and is in fact a bug.
It makes zooming in day-to-day use unusable in most common cases.
When I zoomed to 4x and took a video, the result (1080) was not usable. It's a joke.
I think the conclusion here is the entire camera system really needs work. The hardware is better but the software is letting it down. Jerky transitions, bugs and a processing algorithm left over from the lower quality sensor days that actually over works the 50mp images.
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You can't use the telephoto sensor for video. Only the other two.
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No, you can. I just tested it by setting it to 4x, making sure I'm focused on something far enough, and blocking the telephoto lens does block the picture.
Just discussing this elsewhere, with regard to the MWP GCam mod. This is a *serious* improvement over the stock app; the one thing they could do to make it perfect is give you control over when the periscope kicks in. If anyone here knows the people working on this, please mention this. The mod is here, btw — you really should try it! The version you want is 8.3.252-V1c_MWP:
MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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Just discussing this elsewhere, with regard to the MWP GCam mod. This is a *serious* improvement over the stock app; the one thing they could do to make it perfect is give you control over when the periscope kicks in. If anyone here knows the people working on this, please mention this. The mod is here, btw — you really should try it! The version you want is 8.3.252-V1c_MWP:
MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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That may not actually be an option. The hal only presents one logical camera on that side of the phone and transparently switches between the sensors based on the level of zoom requested, and an assortment of other data.
I haven't looked into what the hal looks like, is it open source? If it is, presumably it could be modified to present 3 or 4 logical cameras (I.e. 3 individual + 1 combined).
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Just discussing this elsewhere, with regard to the MWP GCam mod. This is a *serious* improvement over the stock app;
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How is it an improvement?
Testing zoom, it still uses the main lens on 1x, 2x ad 4x. Just like the stock camera does.
This is another reason to dislike this phone and to recommend against buying it.
What is going on with S22 telephoto.
I was expecting some difference between 3x and 4x, what I found was atrocious. S22 telephoto looked like it was not a telephoto camera at all, at least compared to P6P.
Is there some kind of a bug in S22 camera software?
Pixel 6 gives a great photo than the S22 because the google camera is the best!!!
Maskman_101 said:
Pixel 6 gives a great photo than the S22 because the google camera is the best!!!
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Opinions, opinions..., I have S22 and am very impressed with this phone and its camera, went outside yesterday to check it out and I think this 'vanilla' is a hit. Had an embarrassing moment though, thinking that the camera was a dud when I unknowingly left 'portrait' button on and saw ghosts appearing in the viewfinder(Ai was attempting to create a blurr effect in the scene background) but it's all good now and the x3 zoom feature is perfect, some examples bellow.
I also have S22U if I'd feel the urge to "zoom it to the moon".
Tomorrow, I'll post comparison pix between S22 x3 and P6P x4 to illustrate my point.
I think I know what happened - when I was testing the telephoto camera in S22, it was getting dark. So S22 must have switched the camera to wide automatically, so the 3x zoom was entirely in software.
Beware of that.
Pixel 6 Pro did not have that issue, so the result of 4x was nice and crisp.
Here's a comparison in daylight.
P6P pictures were taken with wide and telephoto.
S22 pictures were taken with wide, telephoto, and telephoto at 0.75 x distance to emulate 4x of pixel.
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Opinions, opinions..., I have S22 and am very impressed with this phone and its camera, went outside yesterday to check it out and I think this 'vanilla' is a hit. Had an embarrassing moment though, thinking that the camera was a dud when I unknowingly left 'portrait' button on and saw ghosts appearing in the viewfinder(Ai was attempting to create a blurr effect in the scene background) but it's all good now and the x3 zoom feature is perfect, some examples bellow.
I also have S22U if I'd feel the urge to "zoom it to the moon".
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Nice photos! we should Expert raw app and it'll be the best of Samsung!
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I think I know what happened - when I was testing the telephoto camera in S22, it was getting dark. So S22 must have switched the camera to wide automatically, so the 3x zoom was entirely in software.
Beware of that.
Pixel 6 Pro did not have that issue, so the result of 4x was nice and crisp.
Here's a comparison in daylight.
P6P pictures were taken with wide and telephoto.
S22 pictures were taken with wide, telephoto, and telephoto at 0.75 x distance to emulate 4x of pixel.
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Both camera samples look out of focus, idk why. Are the lenses clear?
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Nice photos! we should Expert raw app and it'll be the best of Samsung!
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Thank you, the more I use this phone the more I like it.
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Both camera samples look out of focus, idk why. Are the lenses clear?
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What are you talking about?
These are tiny crops of much larger pictures to illustrate the point.
For example, the S22 wide shot is a crop of 190x130 pixels from the full shot of 4000x3000.
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What are you talking about?
These are tiny crops of much larger pictures to illustrate the point.
For example, the S22 wide shot is a crop of 190x130 pixels from the full shot of 4000x3000.
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So why are you showing compressed/reduced photos asking for opinion?
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So why are you showing compressed/reduced photos asking for opinion?
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I am demonstrating the quality of the telephoto camera in comparison with the wide camera, and also in comparison with the P6P.
If I posted full pictures, then you would have to do the crop and zoom by yourself to see the difference.
So I did the cropping and zooming myself, for your benefit.
Are you new at this?
The P6P has a real 4X zoom from the Periscope camera, the S22/S22+ doesn´t have it this system
The S22U Camera App (not the expert Raw) is horrible.
The images all look muddy, far too little details.
I hope they fix it.
Like title.I want to buy p6p but the tele lens just have 20x zoom level,can I change it? I have heard that the imx 586 tele lens is great.
It starts to look kack once you get past about 13x so i wouldn't want to go further than 20X to be honest.
MrBelter said:
一旦超过 13 倍，它就会开始看起来很奇怪，所以说实话，我不想超过 20 倍。
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I am now using pixel 4. To be honest, the imaging effect of instantaneous HDR is sometimes not as good as expected, especially when pulling up the dark exposure bar and higher magnification zoom, which will bring more noise and worse imaging quality I use a Google camera (version 7. X) that supports old-fashioned HDR +, and the image quality is better than the official one. I am willing to sacrifice continuous shooting to obtain better image quality, and the camera supports up to 50x zoom. The following is an example image. which zoom level is 1x 5x 10x. translation from Google form China
Walk closer. ;-)