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So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
Well, I haven't.
I hate to be the buzz killer but there is a fundamental flaw with the way apps are installed and uninstalled that means even moving them to a spacious SD card is not solving the problem.
Before I go rooting the phone and hacking as a way to eliminate some of the more annoying problems with Android, we need to first distinguish between bugs, technical limitations and poor implementation. Not allowing installs to the SD card out of the box is a technical limitation...Apps2sd creates a Linux partition on your SD but it's not ideal.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not here to discuss the reletive merits of rooting or using apps2sd. What I want is the underlying code to work properly before I go hacking. It doesn't matter if we only have 100mb of space or 2GB for apps. If I install a 2mb app and them remove it I want the WHOLE 2mb back.
This morning news of the pre release alpha of Fennec (mobile Firefox) was announced. I attempted to install it but there was only 25mb of space on my phone. Apparently this is a BIG install and needed about 39mb. Anyway long story short, it didn't work. No matter how much space I cleared (up to 40.89mb at one point) it still told me I didn't have enough space.
So now I have a phone with 40mb of space and I had to clear out some unused apps to get there...I also cleared out my IM app, Nimbuzz, which I DO use. So I figure I'd install it again...but I'm thinking, it was big! Over 4mb installed. I figure I'll look for a smaller lighter app. I try Meego. Nice, small, but no Skype chat. So I uninstall and try Fring. Nice, has Skype...but no Facebook. The only one with the features I want is Nimbuzz. So I uninstall Fring. Two apps installed. Two apps removed. I look at my space. 35mb.
5mb has seemingly vanished into nothing!!! Meego was only about 500kb. Fring about 1.5mb. Where did all that space go?!?
I reset and there's no difference.
So to my experiment. I needed to verify the space suck bug.
Reset phone. I'm starting with 39.89mb.
Install Robo Defence Free. It's advertised as 1.25mb.
Reset phone. 38.02mb. I've used up 1.87mb with that install. According to App Manager Robo Defence is using up 1.41mb.
Uninstall Robo Defence. 38.18mb. Restart. final = 39.42mb.
In just one app install and removal, I've lost 0.47mb
Why? What has used that space?
Despite having 40mb of space this morning when attempting to install Fennec, I have since removed Nimbuzz, Shopper, Robo Defence, Poker, Layar, and Google Translate and I've not gotten back up to 40mb.
Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?
Yeah this is a major worry.
I hope someone can get to the bottom of it...
Try going to settings - applications - manage applications then hit menu and choose sort by size. This should show you the biggest space hog. My guess is that the browser and/or market caches are getting big as you're browsing for these apps. You can press on market and there will be a button to clear the cache, same for internet.
Hope this helps
Nope, that didn't even dent it. This is a real bother.
Have you tried to delete the cache and the data of the application before uninstalling it ?
Under settings/applications/manage applications when you choose an app you can see the size of the application but also the size of the data and the size of the cache. Maybe uninstalling an app don't remove at least the data and/or cache...
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
JupiterDroid said:
dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with.
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What about those of us who don't plan to root? I think the OP's point here was that this is an issue and rooting isn't really a solution for a lot of people.
Why would you not root? I dont see why you would not open your phone up to obvious advantages and extra app's, especially when these apps have the potential to extend battery life and volume levels, two of which we know with the Desire are pretty dire.
JD
Perfect volume and 2 days battery here mate
I'd only root for A2SD, but might see if Google sort it themselves first as I don't use a lot of apps anyway - it's just a phone after all
JupiterDroid said:
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
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First installing to SD slows down your apps noticeably. It's not ideal. It's the best solution we have RIGHT NOW, but don't mistake that for being a good thing.
I'm not quibbling over 0.45mb. If you reread I LOST 5mb! That's enough space for a few apps, no?
My point being that up until now this clear bug (losing data that doesn't seem to be associated with an app so is therefore not counted in it's cache and is not cleared) has been ignored by throwing SD space at it. That's foolish.
Well i get just over 1.5 days battery life and volume is not too bad for me, but i would like the music volume to be louder Also the main thin gthe root would mean for me is that i could get the Nexus rom on to my Desire and hopefully get a quick update to Froyo Because lets face it, how long are we going to wait for HTC to update sense???
JD
Don't like stock Android - I'm happy with Sense!
But enough thread hijacking!!
So you will be happy to wait 6 months for HTC to update Sense to intergrate with Froyo? (based on past updates, eg.. Hero, which is still on 1.6)?? I can understand your point, but sense for me is just a waste of screen space
The only reason i bought the desire was because of the slightly more RAM and actual buttons instead of touchscreen buttons Sense isnt a real big must for me
JD
Well, yeah! The Desire as it is does exactly what I want it to out the box. I had to cook my own ROM for my HD2 to get it working as I want but this just works!!
I prefer the eye candy of Sense, stock Android is boring and I hate using garish themes...if I feel the need to root it I will but as it is I have no need to
Very true mate Well i hope they have a frozen youghut ready for you apon release
JD
Guys, take it somewhere else eh.
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So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
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same here. I've two Desire, installed exactly the same apps and had a difference of 12 mb afterwards. I tried to delete every cache a.s.o, still a difference of 5 mb.. reboot .. nothing changed. Next day -> reboot again -> 2 mb difference? No clue what's exactly going on with the rom.
@sense: I bought the desire cause i thought it can't be worse than the nexus one cause if i don't like sense, just install launcher2 and deactivate it. What i did not know: HTC just removed some stock android applications and integrated their crappy apps, and in addition they implement some features i want to REMOVE, i do not want to see them anymore (f.e. flickr.. why flickr? this is android/google, i want a picasa button!, tweet, stocks a.s.o... no uninstall option).
I need root to get rid of the things i don´t like.
I did say sorry for it - he's the one coming back at me!!
I'll leave it now mate, my 2p though, I personally don't care about the memory - if it gets to a point when I do I'll hard reset and start again. Probably just needs the Android equivalent of a defrag!!
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
al89nut said:
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
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That's strange. After a hard reset it should have exactly the same memory each time. After all, that's the whole point of a hard reset.
And I must say that the issue raised by OP is very worrying. Installing and then uninstalling applications should give you back the exact same memory as you had before. I can accept residual files on the SD card, but the precious space on the internal flash should definately be fully reclaimed after an uninstall.
If not, there is a fundamental flaw somewhere. If anyone can shed more light on this issue, please do so!
Hi
On our beloved Nexus, I cant find a decent app cleaner, that act. works on ICS..
I used to use the app cache app, that had a scedule task within it. And that worked great on my desire..
Now I´v tried many different app, that seems to work, but they dont, None of them can clean all my cache files with 1-click - I have to manual do it with every program...
I would like to have a 1- click and perfektly also a scedule task within it (like the app cache from Infolife)
Why would you want to?
Kalavere said:
Why would you want to?
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I want to free up memory by my self (or this app) and not by android it self..
I have a few apps, which is not working perfectly on ics - even though they should (or ??) and they stop working from time to time, unless I often do (by manual) the "app cache cleaner" on this app..
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I want to free up memory by my self (or this app) and not by android it self..
I have a few apps, which is not working perfectly on ics - even though they should (or ??) and they stop working from time to time, unless I often do (by manual) the "app cache cleaner" on this app..
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I have never experience any apps not working well on ICS (4.0.3), I've never needed to manage apps or run short of memory on any Android phone I've owned and because of my experience I think cache cleaners are absolutely pointless.
I use cache cleaner ng. works for me if i dont select use old cleaning method also the auto daily clean is working on it. you can find it in the market.
jmk4412 said:
I use cache cleaner ng. works for me if i dont select use old cleaning method also the auto daily clean is working on it. you can find it in the market.
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Which application do you refer to.. There are so many just called cache cleaner..
Thanks
cache cleaner NG the developer is L.Sartory hope that is a little clearer,btw im rooted and running different roms . I dont know if that will make a difference
jmk4412 said:
cache cleaner NG the developer is L.Sartory hope that is a little clearer,btw im rooted and running different roms . I dont know if that will make a difference
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It's only for rooted phones.
And I'm not rooted...
Kalavere said:
I have never experience any apps not working well on ICS (4.0.3), I've never needed to manage apps or run short of memory on any Android phone I've owned and because of my experience I think cache cleaners are absolutely pointless.
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This, I understand where this idea comes from since its a PC world right now, but I wish people would read up on these things beforehand. Android manages its memory and applications differently than your used to, and "clearing" your memory or cache is not recommended on our androidOS. It will actually slow down your phone and eat your battery.
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This, I understand where this idea comes from since its a PC world right now, but I wish people would read up on these things beforehand. Android manages its memory and applications differently than your used to, and "clearing" your memory or cache is not recommended on our androidOS. It will actually slow down your phone and eat your battery.
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Did you mean to quote me? You're talking like I don't already know that.
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Did you mean to quote me? You're talking like I don't already know that.
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I'm sure he was referring to the OP......Although his statement was typed in general form
Screwedupsmitty said:
This, I understand where this idea comes from since its a PC world right now, but I wish people would read up on these things beforehand. Android manages its memory and applications differently than your used to, and "clearing" your memory or cache is not recommended on our androidOS. It will actually slow down your phone and eat your battery.
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Yes.. You´r right and I know that... But even though, it seems to be "not that statement" for some of my apps..
The developer of the app claims that its ics ready.. but as I said before.. I see that the cache for this app is getting bigger og bigger and the app is getting slower and slower... If I do nothing it just happend that the app is crashing... From my experience is, that if I from time to time do a cashe cleaner (ie once or twice a day) it never lag/getting slower and then never crash..
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Try this . Second one down. Magic, works just fine for me.
Kalavere said:
Try this . Second one down. Magic, works just fine for me.
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Ha ha
Been there.. and tried a ton of different solutions, without any luck yet..
And since this forum should be a place where we can help each other etc.. I wrote here..
But I might be wrong...
So If I find a solution I should just keep it for my self.. instead of sharing the information for others??
How can it not work? It worked just fine for me.
Screwedupsmitty said:
This, I understand where this idea comes from since its a PC world right now, but I wish people would read up on these things beforehand. Android manages its memory and applications differently than your used to, and "clearing" your memory or cache is not recommended on our androidOS. It will actually slow down your phone and eat your battery.
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I feel like this point needs to be re-iterated.
Free memory (including cache) is WASTED memory. If you interfere with the way Android manages its memory, you make things less efficient - apps that would otherwise be preloaded in the background will take more time and juice to start up. This is how Android was designed from the ground up, and it was designed that way for good reasons. Please save yourself from headaches and don't fsck with things you don't understand.
hello
My note 2's 2GB of RAM is ****ed up, some apps I don't know about them uses up all the RAM and it makes my phone ****ing slow. It's ****ing pissing me off.
It goes to 357MB then to 1.34GB.
Is there any way to fix this issue?
Thank you.
I don't have ****cking idea why that *****cking problem is *****cking happening,but there's lots of ****cking apps that take a lot of *****cking ram
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I don't have ****cking idea why that *****cking problem is *****cking happening,but there's lots of ****cking apps that take a lot of *****cking ram
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^^^^^^^^_^
HI ***KING LARIOUS
sent from my future SPH-L900
please no trolls.
I asked if there's any ****ing solution for this problem. How can i permanently close those running apps. I ****ing force close them and they ****ing starts again.
Can you post a ****ing screen shot or make a ****ing list of the ****ing apps that are ****ing opening so that we can see what they are?
Maybe other people will have the same apps running and know how to shut them off
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Seeing as you're new here, i though i'd be nice to you this first time.
Please, no swearing.
The people who posted in the thread are making fun of you because of the absolutely unneeded swearing and nonsense.
To fix your problem you're going to have to tell us some more about your phone and what you've done.
Is it rooted? If so, what rom and kernel are you running?
Did you try to simply reboot the phone? (Also a good idea to cold boot it, meaning to shut it off, remove the battery, put it back in and boot up).
It's doesn't help what so ever to force close apps that are not misbehaving. The Android system manages this perfectly fine. Only force close an app if there is something wrong with it.
What apps have you installed? Some of them might be taking up alot of RAM and running in the background.
I was nice to you, now please do the same to us.
You came to us asking a question like that, you should be gracious that we're even replying.
Moonbloom said:
Seeing as you're new here, i though i'd be nice to you this first time.
Please, no swearing.
The people who posted in the thread are making fun of you because of the absolutely unneeded swearing and nonsense.
To fix your problem you're going to have to tell us some more about your phone and what you've done.
Is it rooted? If so, what rom and kernel are you running?
Did you try to simply reboot the phone? (Also a good idea to cold boot it, meaning to shut it off, remove the battery, put it back in and boot up).
It's doesn't help what so ever to force close apps that are not misbehaving. The Android system manages this perfectly fine. Only force close an app if there is something wrong with it.
What apps have you installed? Some of them might be taking up alot of RAM and running in the background.
I was nice to you, now please do the same to us.
You came to us asking a question like that, you should be gracious that we're even replying.
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Sure.
My Samsung Galaxy note 2 is not rooted.
I restart my phone couple of times if the number exceeded.
I have 39 apps downloaded from Google Play.
I was angry because it annoys crap out of me so pardon me.
Mporp said:
Sure.
My Samsung Galaxy note 2 is not rooted.
I restart my phone couple of times if the number exceeded.
I have 39 apps downloaded from Google Play.
I was angry because it annoys crap out of me so pardon me.
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Okay.
If your phone is running slowly and you're not rooted, then it is 99% sure an app problem.
It could be a hardware flaw in your phone, but my guess is app related (If your phone was as slow as it is now, when you got it, it is probably hardware related).
Try uninstalling any unneeded apps, like various tools you downloaded once to try it out, games you dont really play, etc etc.
Try to clear your cache. There are several apps out there that can do it (Some require root, and can clear more caches than non-root ones can, just try a non-root cache cleaner).
After doing that, do a cold boot as i refered to in my last post and see if it is better.
If not, try and go into Settings, Applications, Running Applications and see if there are any major apps that you installed yourself (not the ones that came with the phone) running and try to uninstall the ones taking up the most power, then do a cold boot again and see if it improved.
If nothing works, try and post a list of the apps you have installed on your phone that you installed yourself.
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Okay.
If your phone is running slowly and you're not rooted, then it is 99% sure an app problem.
It could be a hardware flaw in your phone, but my guess is app related (If your phone was as slow as it is now, when you got it, it is probably hardware related).
Try uninstalling any unneeded apps, like various tools you downloaded once to try it out, games you dont really play, etc etc.
Try to clear your cache. There are several apps out there that can do it (Some require root, and can clear more caches than non-root ones can, just try a non-root cache cleaner).
After doing that, do a cold boot as i refered to in my last post and see if it is better.
If not, try and go into Settings, Applications, Running Applications and see if there are any major apps that you installed yourself (not the ones that came with the phone) running and try to uninstall the ones taking up the most power, then do a cold boot again and see if it improved.
If nothing works, try and post a list of the apps you have installed on your phone that you installed yourself.
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I don't think its hardware related. When I got first my Note 2 it was suprisingly fast. So it's probably the apps.
I've cleared all my caches, deleted a lot of unneeded apps and also done the cold boot after that I navigated to Settings>Applications manager> running apps.
I noticed samsung's keyboard took 55mb of ram, google service 20mb. maps 32mb. play store 10mb. settings 39mb 0_0. Those apps that came with the phone took a lot of ram. why is that? is there anyway to decrease the number?
You can use Titanium Backup to freeze or unintstall any apps that aren't needed by the OS. This will prevent them from ever starting up again.
Is the used up ram actually causing you problems? As I understand it android will make use of the ram to help switch apps quicker. So if its high its not a problem.
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there are apps out there that tells you which apps uses the most cpu cycles. i can't recommend one as i don't use them, but might help you pinpoint your problem-app.
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So you want more Ram han? Here is a very simple trick
Go to developer option
Select limit background processes and then select 4 processes...
You will see ram will fall below 1 gb
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As far as I know, it makes my phone laggy when the number is high and the animation when you open a folder seems slow and also for notifications
I've had my 8 for several months but now it's starting to slow down. I have done everything except a factory reset (because thats just a pain in the ass) but it is still slow. Short of the reset does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
rogerperk said:
I've had my 8 for several months but now it's starting to slow down. I have done everything except a factory reset (because thats just a pain in the ass) but it is still slow. Short of the reset does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
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I assume your battery drain is normal, or has not changed since the slowness has happened.
You have not stated if you rooted or custom ROM has been installed.
I found a few apps will do this time to time... depending on when they update. I always monitor my apps so troubling apps are always reverted back to their previous version.
You can use security 360 to monitor your tablet... It is a very good antivirus with some nice built in features. One is memory speed up and usage.
Basically it lets you know what apps are running in background, and releases them to speed up the tablet. I like it because it is like having 3 or 4 apps all into one and does not hog memory.
You can search the Q&A for battery drain if you have issues with battery as well ... there are many threads, so at least one will help. The lengthy threads have some good info near the end... as I try to help using simple methods that work with stock ROMs.
rogerperk said:
I've had my 8 for several months but now it's starting to slow down. I have done everything except a factory reset (because thats just a pain in the ass) but it is still slow. Short of the reset does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
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If not rooted, do so and you can eliminate apps that you don't use and that suck up RAM. You can as well move programs to an SD Card to increase the memory available.
Additionally, rooted or not you can go in and clean out the cache of all your apps. They build up over time.
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Went to Best Buy and talked to the Samsung rep and he had the answer! First, get rid of SPB launcher then use Clean Sweep (in the store) to get rid of bloatware. Fast as Hell now! App only works on non-rooted I think. But it DOES work! Thanks for the help!
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Went to Best Buy and talked to the Samsung rep and he had the answer! First, get rid of SPB launcher then use Clean Sweep (in the store) to get rid of bloatware. Fast as Hell now! App only works on non-rooted I think. But it DOES work! Thanks for the help!
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SPB launcher??? It must have been rooted. I have a mostly stock ROM... never had speed issues, but it is all in the choice of apps I install.
Given that many apps are developer driven, and from my experience with developers here on the forum, makes me cautious about installing apps. I install only what I need and does the job cleanly. Sometimes the best apps are buggy when being updated to run 4.4.x, as I seen that a lot since Xmas. Though May has been a good start for the year... many apps have been sorted out, but still iffy as there are thousands of apps to choose from.
I places a thread, and an answer to battery, and apps disabling in a simple and minimalistic method. If anyone is interested, they can search for posts by me... they are within this year.
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rogerperk said:
Went to Best Buy and talked to the Samsung rep and he had the answer! First, get rid of SPB launcher then use Clean Sweep (in the store) to get rid of bloatware. Fast as Hell now! App only works on non-rooted I think. But it DOES work! Thanks for the help!
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SPB launcher??? It must have been rooted. I have a mostly stock ROM... never had speed issues, but it is all in the choice of apps I install.
Given that many apps are developer driven, and from my experience with developers here on the forum, makes me cautious about installing apps. I install only what I need and does the job cleanly. Sometimes the best apps are buggy when being updated to run 4.4.x, as I seen that a lot since Xmas. Though May has been a good start for the year... many apps have been sorted out, but still iffy as there are thousands of apps to choose from.
I places a thread, and an answer to battery, and apps disabling in a simple and minimalistic method. If anyone is interested, they can search for posts by me... they are within this year.
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You should not have needed to uninstall SPB unless you already had a whole bunch of apps. I have 200+ Apps with no issues.
Also Clean Sweep is a nice app, but you can do this already without the added app. Open you Google search, look at the bottom left hand tab, open it and you can do the same thing.
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SPB launcher??? It must have been rooted. I have a mostly stock ROM... never had speed issues, but it is all in the choice of apps I install.
Given that many apps are developer driven, and from my experience with developers here on the forum, makes me cautious about installing apps. I install only what I need and does the job cleanly. Sometimes the best apps are buggy when being updated to run 4.4.x, as I seen that a lot since Xmas. Though May has been a good start for the year... many apps have been sorted out, but still iffy as there are thousands of apps to choose from.
I places a thread, and an answer to battery, and apps disabling in a simple and minimalistic method. If anyone is interested, they can search for posts by me... they are within this year.
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Nope. Not rooted and the launcher worked fine but apparently it slowed the system down. Now it's smokin'.
I rooted my phone recently using Magisk and when I'm trying to convert an app to system app I'm getting an error of no space. The system space is 816mb and is full. Please guide me on how to increase it.
Aayushgoel001 said:
I rooted my phone recently using Magisk and when I'm trying to convert an app to system app I'm getting an error of no space. The system space is 816mb and is full. Please guide me on how to increase it.
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The system partition partition is locked out as of Android 10 (the out of space error is misleading). There are ways to make systemless changes that mirror system changes with Magisk Modules. You'll need to do some research.
Same here search everywhere for a magisk mod to fix. I hit a wall lol
This is just another way of Google giving the modding community the middle finger. I for one will be getting a 1 plus phone on my next device. Not sure exactly why everything seems to be different from them but I don't hear any complaints from anybody using their phones.
Google is literally doing everything they can to smash the modding community. Personally, and I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but if they ever totally get rid of root I am gone. There is no point in putting up with all the third-party BS and all of Google's broken apps malware-filled Play store and sub-par performance if it's not for root
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...........and I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but if they ever totally get rid of root I am gone. There is no point in putting up with all the third-party BS and all of Google's broken apps malware-filled Play store and sub-par performance if it's not for root
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Why would you think you'd catch flack?? Your 100% spot on! The only reason I got this phone is to be able to strip out as much google as I possibly could. I have 95% of google apps disabled with TB (don't trust googles 'disable' nonsense) and use alternate apps from alternate sources. I also use AdGuard to disable most google IP's and tracking and a VPN to further my privacy effort. Not that I'm a 'tin hat' guy but to me the challenge to eradicate google is a fun hobby of sorts. So I agree, not being able to write to system and lack of TWRP support will most likely have me going OnePlus 8 next time. The only reason I chose 3XL over OnePlus 7 was lack of wireless charging, that was a deal breaker for me but would have tolerated it if I knew there would (looks like) never be TWRP.