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[Q] startup apps

hey all
another question for me today...
my g2 has been slowing down quite a bit lately. almost ready to root. but first i wanted to see if i can deal with this a bit longer.
first things first, i've read plenty of posts and articles, even a thing from cyanogen himself i believe that said that taskkillers are worthless in the android operating system. that being said, according to an app i just installed called "startupcleaner2.0" i have 42 apps loading at startup. my g2 takes almost 5 minutes to boot. some of these apps are of course required apps and system things, things that i absolutely need, but then there are things like, "CardioTrainer," an app i've never even used but would like to check out sometime, or "G4" which i see no reason why it should need to run until i run it myself, or "HootSuite" which I don't even use (I just use the separate facebook and twitter apps) but just haven't gotten around to uninstalling yet.
i have plenty of space left on my sd card, and really don't want to uninstall all these extra apps because i'd like to try them at sometime, and if i don't like them then delete them (and some apps like for example, G4, i REALLY don't want to install cause i do use them, just see no reason for them to start at startup). so, should i actually make use of this StartUpCleaner2.0 and have it stop these apps from running? or is it the same situation as the supposedly useless (and potentially bad for your phone taskkillers) where it's sort of counterproductive to the way android is meant to be managed?
thanks for your input. it just seems lame that with all this space there should be a limit to the amount of apps i can have installed for my phone to run good. but if that really is the case i'll uninstall some (i just did a sweep of like 20 apps/games i never used). if not, then i'll give this StartUpCleaner2.0 a try and stop pretty probably half of these things from starting at startup.
thanks!
Dave

anyone? would love to find out about this.

polarbearmc said:
anyone? would love to find out about this.
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All I can say is: Read this: http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/ And for what is worth; thats the truth, the only truth and nothing but the truth there is about this subject.
P.S. You may always thank me afterwards when you have concluded that installing a app killer did not help you in any way improving your battery life.

You might use watchdog or titanuim backup to freeze those apps so they can't run at all while still leaving them installed. That's what I'd do, or use a startup/autorun manager.
I use Autorun Manager since I use the apps, just don't want them running at boot because like you pointed out, it increases boot times.

you know i think that is one of the things i had read telling me not to use task killers which is why i stopped using them. but there's still the fact that my phone is sluggish now with lots of apps installed in a way that it wasn't when i first got it. and i refuse to believe it's sluggish just from "having them installed" even if i'm not using them ... if that's the case, then android REALLY doesn't do a great job of shutting down tasks and whatnot on its own...
also i wasn't considering using a task killer exactly, it was something to stop apps from running at startup in the first place. especially apps that i simply don't use at all but apparently are loading.
HLeenders said:
All I can say is: Read this: http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/ And for what is worth; thats the truth, the only truth and nothing but the truth there is about this subject.
P.S. You may always thank me afterwards when you have concluded that installing a app killer did not help you in any way improving your battery life.
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I use the Autostarts app for the same thing, disabling apps on startup. It can help with boot times a little, but honestly it doesn't make too much of a difference. One of the problems now is that many apps that start on boot don't show up in Autostarts and other autorun manager type apps, so you can't control their boot priority. I think this started in 2.3.
And yes, don't use a task killer with Android. I used to use one a while back, and it made absolutely no difference in battery life or performance. In fact, it made some apps a lot slower to restart. That was with my old Cliq. Ever since I've had my G2 I haven't used one.

[Q] RAM problem....

hello
My note 2's 2GB of RAM is ****ed up, some apps I don't know about them uses up all the RAM and it makes my phone ****ing slow. It's ****ing pissing me off.
It goes to 357MB then to 1.34GB.
Is there any way to fix this issue?
Thank you.

I don't have ****cking idea why that *****cking problem is *****cking happening,but there's lots of ****cking apps that take a lot of *****cking ram

donhashem.dh said:
I don't have ****cking idea why that *****cking problem is *****cking happening,but there's lots of ****cking apps that take a lot of *****cking ram
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^^^^^^^^_^
HI ***KING LARIOUS
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please no trolls.
I asked if there's any ****ing solution for this problem. How can i permanently close those running apps. I ****ing force close them and they ****ing starts again.

Can you post a ****ing screen shot or make a ****ing list of the ****ing apps that are ****ing opening so that we can see what they are?
Maybe other people will have the same apps running and know how to shut them off
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Seeing as you're new here, i though i'd be nice to you this first time.
Please, no swearing.
The people who posted in the thread are making fun of you because of the absolutely unneeded swearing and nonsense.
To fix your problem you're going to have to tell us some more about your phone and what you've done.
Is it rooted? If so, what rom and kernel are you running?
Did you try to simply reboot the phone? (Also a good idea to cold boot it, meaning to shut it off, remove the battery, put it back in and boot up).
It's doesn't help what so ever to force close apps that are not misbehaving. The Android system manages this perfectly fine. Only force close an app if there is something wrong with it.
What apps have you installed? Some of them might be taking up alot of RAM and running in the background.
I was nice to you, now please do the same to us.
You came to us asking a question like that, you should be gracious that we're even replying.

Moonbloom said:
Seeing as you're new here, i though i'd be nice to you this first time.
Please, no swearing.
The people who posted in the thread are making fun of you because of the absolutely unneeded swearing and nonsense.
To fix your problem you're going to have to tell us some more about your phone and what you've done.
Is it rooted? If so, what rom and kernel are you running?
Did you try to simply reboot the phone? (Also a good idea to cold boot it, meaning to shut it off, remove the battery, put it back in and boot up).
It's doesn't help what so ever to force close apps that are not misbehaving. The Android system manages this perfectly fine. Only force close an app if there is something wrong with it.
What apps have you installed? Some of them might be taking up alot of RAM and running in the background.
I was nice to you, now please do the same to us.
You came to us asking a question like that, you should be gracious that we're even replying.
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Sure.
My Samsung Galaxy note 2 is not rooted.
I restart my phone couple of times if the number exceeded.
I have 39 apps downloaded from Google Play.
I was angry because it annoys crap out of me so pardon me.

Mporp said:
Sure.
My Samsung Galaxy note 2 is not rooted.
I restart my phone couple of times if the number exceeded.
I have 39 apps downloaded from Google Play.
I was angry because it annoys crap out of me so pardon me.
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Okay.
If your phone is running slowly and you're not rooted, then it is 99% sure an app problem.
It could be a hardware flaw in your phone, but my guess is app related (If your phone was as slow as it is now, when you got it, it is probably hardware related).
Try uninstalling any unneeded apps, like various tools you downloaded once to try it out, games you dont really play, etc etc.
Try to clear your cache. There are several apps out there that can do it (Some require root, and can clear more caches than non-root ones can, just try a non-root cache cleaner).
After doing that, do a cold boot as i refered to in my last post and see if it is better.
If not, try and go into Settings, Applications, Running Applications and see if there are any major apps that you installed yourself (not the ones that came with the phone) running and try to uninstall the ones taking up the most power, then do a cold boot again and see if it improved.
If nothing works, try and post a list of the apps you have installed on your phone that you installed yourself.

Moonbloom said:
Okay.
If your phone is running slowly and you're not rooted, then it is 99% sure an app problem.
It could be a hardware flaw in your phone, but my guess is app related (If your phone was as slow as it is now, when you got it, it is probably hardware related).
Try uninstalling any unneeded apps, like various tools you downloaded once to try it out, games you dont really play, etc etc.
Try to clear your cache. There are several apps out there that can do it (Some require root, and can clear more caches than non-root ones can, just try a non-root cache cleaner).
After doing that, do a cold boot as i refered to in my last post and see if it is better.
If not, try and go into Settings, Applications, Running Applications and see if there are any major apps that you installed yourself (not the ones that came with the phone) running and try to uninstall the ones taking up the most power, then do a cold boot again and see if it improved.
If nothing works, try and post a list of the apps you have installed on your phone that you installed yourself.
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I don't think its hardware related. When I got first my Note 2 it was suprisingly fast. So it's probably the apps.
I've cleared all my caches, deleted a lot of unneeded apps and also done the cold boot after that I navigated to Settings>Applications manager> running apps.
I noticed samsung's keyboard took 55mb of ram, google service 20mb. maps 32mb. play store 10mb. settings 39mb 0_0. Those apps that came with the phone took a lot of ram. why is that? is there anyway to decrease the number?

You can use Titanium Backup to freeze or unintstall any apps that aren't needed by the OS. This will prevent them from ever starting up again.

Is the used up ram actually causing you problems? As I understand it android will make use of the ram to help switch apps quicker. So if its high its not a problem.
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there are apps out there that tells you which apps uses the most cpu cycles. i can't recommend one as i don't use them, but might help you pinpoint your problem-app.
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So you want more Ram han? Here is a very simple trick
Go to developer option
Select limit background processes and then select 4 processes...
You will see ram will fall below 1 gb
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As far as I know, it makes my phone laggy when the number is high and the animation when you open a folder seems slow and also for notifications

Gnex slowing down for apprently no reason

Hi guys, I'm writing in desperate need of help.
I've had this GNex for a little less than 2 years and it always worked great until January when I started to have a lot of problems and bringing it to the technical center at the end of March I found out it had major hardware problems, but luckly I still had the warranty back then.
Now, since more or less 3 weeks, it started out of the blue to have great slowing down problems: apps take a lot to open and are often unresponsive and when I tap the power button it takes up to 5 seconds to start the screen.
I don't have a lor of apps, but uninstalling some of them it seemed like it's a little faster.
BTW, if it matters, I've never flashed alternative ROMs, I've always been on stock, and now it's not even rooted.
Is there something that I can do without factory resetting?
I'd prefer to keep it as the last possible option, 'cause I've not much time in this period and it would be a mess having to install again all the apps and stuff.
Thanks

I've heard that our GNEX makes problems with less than 3 GB of free space . Look how much memory are still available on SD card.
Sorry for my English.

Having almost 8gb free I doubt this is the problem

sciacallo010 said:
Having almost 8gb free I doubt this is the problem
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whats installed? have you updated/installed anything recently? do you have social media apps running all the time? have you cleared caches from apps/recovery? check your memory usage. use an app like Smart Booster to clean up the RAM.
there are also SO many advantages to at LEAST rooting the device.

dragonhart6505 said:
whats installed? have you updated/installed anything recently? do you have social media apps running all the time? have you cleared caches from apps/recovery? check your memory usage. use an app like Smart Booster to clean up the RAM.
there are also SO many advantages to at LEAST rooting the device.
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As soon as I'll have some time, hopefully this afternoon, I'll check all those things, thanks.
For the rooting thing I didn't do it just because I still haven't had time, I plan to do it in the future.
Talking about advantages are you talking in general or also about this specific issue?

sciacallo010 said:
As soon as I'll have some time, hopefully this afternoon, I'll check all those things, thanks.
For the rooting thing I didn't do it just because I still haven't had time, I plan to do it in the future.
Talking about advantages are you talking in general or also about this specific issue?
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well aside from the obvious (flashing/backups/unlocking) there are loads of useful apps in the Play Store that require root to help optimize the Android system. My favorites are Root Uninstaller and Disable Service. now, i know what im doing with these apps so they suit my needs pretty well and i havent broken anything (yet) but they are quite self explanitory. they both do pretty much the same thing, but on a different scale.
Root Uninstaller does just that...it allows you to uninstall ANYTHING from your device, including system apps that you normally wouldnt be able to. it also allows you to freeze apps or convert user apps (apps YOU installed) to system apps (this is very situational). it also reads your sdcard (internal in the case of the GNex) and finds apk's and can install them as well.
Disable Service is pretty much an advanced version of Root Uninstaller. it allows you to freeze/uninstall apps with the added ability to freeze any PROCESS that an app might run. for example, you could completely disable Bluetooth functionality (meaning any time you try to turn it on it just wont) or you can disable just Bluetooth file transfer. its really handy for showing what processes are running in the background and how many of them are from one app/how many that app can run. so, say you dont use an app feature but you still the app. fine, disable just that feature. its not TOO terribly complicated to understand as long as you know what does what, but hopefully i described it well enough.
basically what im getting at is these apps can free up so much memory/RAM by disabling/uninstalling apps or processes that run in the background when you just dont want them to with the ability to unlock them when you do.
then there is Titanium Backup. if you dont know what this app is, or never heard of it, you must live under some damn large rocks lol
lastly, using the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit you can root your phone in quite literally 30 seconds...just sayin >_<

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lastly, using the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit you can root your phone in quite literally 30 seconds...just sayin >_<
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Yeah, I well know that, before I had to bring it to the technical service it was rooted.
Thanks for the suggestions, while I know very well Titanium (it saved mt life more than once), I've never heard of the other apps you mentioned, so I'll try them.

I just runned Smart Booster and I'm totally amazed, the phone is way smoother, I hope it'll last.
I think that now I'll root time, I just have one last question: if I well remember to root I need to have the phone unlocked (the tech service locked it again), will it wipe it?

sciacallo010 said:
I just runned Smart Booster and I'm totally amazed, the phone is way smoother, I hope it'll last.
I think that now I'll root time, I just have one last question: if I well remember to root I need to have the phone unlocked (the tech service locked it again), will it wipe it?
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Glad it worked for ya ^_^
No it shouldn't wipe your phone, also unlocking the bootloader isn't required for root

Great, can you link me a guide to root it without unlocking? The nexus toolkit wants me to unlock before rooting, so I have to go for another way...

sciacallo010 said:
Great, can you link me a guide to root it without unlocking? The nexus toolkit wants me to unlock before rooting, so I have to go for another way...
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What Android version are you on?

4.3

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4.3
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Ah, OK. There ISNT a method of rooting without unlocking the bootloader on 4.3/4.4 and sadly it will reset the phone, but it will not wipe the SD data

Lol, that's ok, I just need to wait when I'll have some time to backup some things and do the whole thing, thank you dragonhart you've been very helpful

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Lol, that's ok, I just need to wait when I'll have some time to backup some things and do the whole thing, thank you dragonhart you've been very helpful
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Hey no problem!
I been fixing/flashing/porting this thing for about a year. I've got so many phones in my office (including S5/One M8/iphones) this still the one I pick up and play with as my DD. I can understand why you would want it to run at its top performance!

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Lol, that's ok, I just need to wait when I'll have some time to backup some things and do the whole thing, thank you dragonhart you've been very helpful
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Unlocking the bootloader will wipe everything on the phone. Use helium to backup apps and then backup everything to your computer.
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mrgnex said:
Unlocking the bootloader will wipe everything on the phone. Use helium to backup apps and then backup everything to your computer.
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Yes unlocking bootloader to root has always been the only way for Nexus devices and it will definitely wipe everything!

Apps that can be safely Frozen or Removed

Thought this may be useful for everyone to have as the device does sadly have a tendency to be a bit laggy.
Have followed a few guides and got some great info from XDA so trying to give a little back if I can
From what I have done I have found no ill effects that I have noticed so far, all fairly obvious choices so early on, but will get braver as I get more used to the handset and I'm sure others have been more adventurous than me and can help bulk the list up a bit and we can do away with a whole bunch of bloat to get a smoother ride from out G3. Some of these I froze as I prefer other 3rd party apps.
Frozen/Removed
Cell Broadcast
E-Mail
Documents
File Manager
Internet/Stock Browser
LG Health
LG Search Widget Provider
LG Setup Wizard
McAfee Security
Messaging (stock)
Music
Video
Video Trim
Weather
Weather Theme
Weather Platform
If you have any other suggestions please post and and I'll add updates to Post 1 for easy reference :highfive:
Hope this helps some fellow G3 users

557953 said:
Thought this may be useful for everyone to have as the device does sadly have a tendency to be a bit laggy.
Have followed a few guides and got some great info from XDA so trying to give a little back if I can
From what I have done I have found no ill effects that I have noticed so far, all fairly obvious choices so early on, but will get braver as I get more used to the handset and I'm sure others have been more adventurous than me and can help bulk the list up a bit and we can do away with a whole bunch of bloat to get a smoother ride from out G3. Some of these I froze as I prefer other 3rd party apps.
If you have any other suggestions please post and and I'll add updates to Post 1 for easy reference :highfive:
Hope this helps some fellow G3 users
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I think you should do a different list for the Google apps, the main attention people will give this thread is to find out what LG apps they can freeze and remove, most people will not be interesting in removing the Google apps from their devices.

Lennyuk said:
I think you should do a different list for the Google apps, the main attention people will give this thread is to find out what LG apps they can freeze and remove, most people will not be interesting in removing the Google apps from their devices.
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Understood, you are most likely correct. Google Apps removed from list

If possible, can you post the real app name (the apk name in /system/app or /system/app-priv) ?
Thanks

Get my G3 later today. Thanks for the list! I'm completely new to Android, so how do I remove bloat ware?

you need to keep file manager if you wish to write to the extsd card
I've not been able to disable the mcafee software

walkerx said:
you need to keep file manager if you wish to write to the extsd card
I've not been able to disable the mcafee software
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I didn't find the apk by myself, but root uninstaller found somehow

Is freezing them through TB essentially a better version of hibernating them through Greenify?

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Is freezing them through TB essentially a better version of hibernating them through Greenify?
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They do different things. Freezing them is like uninstalling them - they are gone and won't work at all but can be retrieved by unfreezing. Greenifying them just hibernates them but they work as normal.

bartito said:
If possible, can you post the real app name (the apk name in /system/app or /system/app-priv) ?
Thanks
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Also in system/vendor/app. Found some stuff in there that tibu couldn't get rid of. Here's most of what I froze. If it's not in my list of frozen apps I deleted it lol
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Could we have a non-root list, and also a description of what gets disabled/broken for each one. E.g. what does Cell Broadcast do? (I've googled, I 'm now aware, not relevant currently in the UK).
ActionManager service? Board Content Provider?
I've found this list but most of the bloat on Verizon wasn't on mine, since I'm not in the US: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general/list-bloatware-safe-to-disable-t2819370

I wonder if anyone has the time, patience, and good will to compile all of these threads into one master index?
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Could we have a non-root list, and also a description of what gets disabled/broken for each one. E.g. what does Cell Broadcast do? (I've googled, I 'm now aware, not relevant currently in the UK).
ActionManager service? Board Content Provider?
I've found this list but most of the bloat on Verizon wasn't on mine, since I'm not in the US: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general/list-bloatware-safe-to-disable-t2819370
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I've noticed that the system doesn't allow you to disable everything if you're not rooted so maybe anything you are allowed to disable is safe to disable.
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Also in system/vendor/app. Found some stuff in there that tibu couldn't get rid of. Here's most of what I froze. If it's not in my list of frozen apps I deleted it lol
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And how is everything working out after having disabled all those 3 weeks ago? Any anomalies or bad experiences? So far your screenshots give the best list of the removable apps (I'm completely new to LG so I don't know about their stock stuff), and I'd love to remove them but I'm afraid to experiment without a fully working recovery to restore nandroid.

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And how is everything working out after having disabled all those 3 weeks ago? Any anomalies or bad experiences? So far your screenshots give the best list of the removable apps (I'm completely new to LG so I don't know about their stock stuff), and I'd love to remove them but I'm afraid to experiment without a fully working recovery to restore nandroid.
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Everything is working great. Battery life is spectacular. There are 0 negative results to report.

drock212 said:
Everything is working great. Battery life is spectacular. There are 0 negative results to report.
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Awesome, thanks for the quick feedback! I just got a notification about a new downloadable software update (will not do it ofc), I suppose freezing the software update app will mean no more notifications and to setbacks either?

Horcza said:
Awesome, thanks for the quick feedback! I just got a notification about a new downloadable software update (will not do it ofc), I suppose freezing the software update app will mean no more notifications and to setbacks either?
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Correct. I have mine frozen to avoid receiving update notifications. Also this is good until you find out if the new update is rootable. If its not then its good to stick with the current software.

drock212 said:
Also in system/vendor/app. Found some stuff in there that tibu couldn't get rid of. Here's most of what I froze. If it's not in my list of frozen apps I deleted it lol
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My list is almost this one of yours. Had to unfreeze some of those because it made the home screen very lagged.

Everything Google uninstalled or frozen for over 2 weeks. No problems or complaints.

thanks the development has really taken off for this great device

So I froze most of these. Will it free up memory or do I have to delete them? Kinda scared to delete them. I have nandroid backup, just hate to possibly have to restore when the phone is running good.

Lag Question - Reflash?

Never had a non-rooted Android until now (Note 2, 3, 4) and the lag is insane for me. I use Greenify and have it killing nearly everything that is non-essential. I only have GPS, WiFi, basic SPan, and Sync enabled, none of the other stuff. I'll reboot every day or two. I close out apps when I'm done using them, etc. There isn't anything super obvious I'm doing to increase lag. But it's there. Even Contacts force closes every few days. Hangouts does not play nice with Swype. Just to pull up the phone log takes a long time. Any advice or should I just reflash stock to see if that helps?
Thanks, and if you haven't pledged to the root bounty, please do! Let's get this thing solved!

Oh my god!
that's why I hate Touchwiz UI! :thumbdown:

SuperMan(Alex) said:
Oh my god!
that's why I hate Touchwiz UI! :thumbdown:
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I use Nova Prime for the launcher which hopefully doesn't add to the problem.

tfpHumorBlog said:
I use Nova Prime for the launcher which hopefully doesn't add to the problem.
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I use Nova as well and my Note is fairly snappy. I have found that every so often an app will either kill battery or slow the UI down.
There are lots of things that can be causing it so I'm on sure if there's a quick fix without really k owing more of your setup. (what's installed, art/davlik, developer settings, etc.)
I personally don't use greenify on a no rooted device cause I couldn't get it to automatically work. What I did do, and it seems to have helped greatly is to block/disable a bunch of bloat with the program at the following link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998294
Works great and leaves everything in place so OTA updates still work.