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bing maps almost got it right, any fix?

sounds ridiculous but i just updated my focus to mango on monday. for the longest time my home pc would not update it, kept giving different error codes each time. i had to replace my original phone with an ATT refurbished one and so i just assumed in the refurbishing process this "new" phone was FUBAR with updates. anyway someone recommended trying another PC, so i used my netbook to no avail and then my work laptop with great success. mango is awesome!
anyway, i love how bing maps will read directions through bluetooth in my car, but i am a little irritated that it won't continue to read the directions until i get to my destination? it will just read the direction i click on and the one after it, but then say "thank you, goodbye" and will stop giving directions. i have to manually go into bing maps again and click on the direction i want to be read to me. just curious if anyone has gotten it to read all the directions until you get to the new location without touching your phone? i notice you can go through a text message conversation without touching your phone via bluetooth, so it would be nice if you could do that with maps also.

Nope, that is the way it was designed to "work" (despite it being an illegal activity in many areas). There is nothing you can do about it, short of buying a real GPS nav system from the marketplace.

Question, Why wasn't this an issue with WM? As crapy as WM was the Maps app worked flawlessly and makes this new one look like crap. Just trying to understand I guess at to why it wasn't an issue before but it is now. It is kind of dangerous to have to tap and look at the screen to see where your going.

Google Now.. Worthless?

I'm not trying to start an argument but I just like to know exactly what the point of Google Now is.
I've had my GNex for around 4 weeks now and despite me setting up Now correctly (defining home, work etc), it never shows me anything useful. Occasionally it shows me a route to work and a route home but they are totally the worst route that I could take. It never seems to learn any route and if I dare to look at Location History in Google maps, all I see are a bunch of crazy lines that in no way represent where I've actually travelled! It's like someone strapped my Nexus on a bird's back and started shooting at it!
For example, I took a day off yesterday and stayed at home, but late in the day I took my daughter to the shops 3 miles away. Location History says that I travelled 40miles with a bunch of random lines all over the map!
The weather has only ever popped up once in the last few weeks and vanished a couple of minutes later.
It never shows anything of any interest anywhere I go (ok, this may be where I live )
Is this a UK thing or is Google Now genuinely useless and a work-in-progress?

I'm using a nexus 7 and personally I love Google now, I have no trouble with it and weather is fine
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Seems like you might have your GPS off. That kind of erratic behavior as far as location goes make me think it's only going by cell towers/WiFi hotspots, which is not entirely accurate.
I will admit though, it's not as informational as I thought it would be, but it will improve with time. I do have a schedule on my phone for work, and every single instance is named "Work". Because of this, it calculates how long of a commute I should expect, and let's me know what time I need to leave by.
It also displays my favorite NFL team's next game about 2 days in advanced, and displays the score for the rest of the day the day of the game.
It also always displays restaurants near me, but I've never really used that feature.

95% agree. I'm in UK too and cannot see the value yet.
The weather does pop up pretty often, say twice a day?
The travel reports are ok. When my alarm goes off for work Now shows my route and time which is helpful for me, but could live without.
I searched for a restaurant recently and Now popped up with a travel card, directions and time. That was cool.
But the question is; where is Google going with Now? Can we expect more great development in the near future?
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i think outside us google now is crap. hope they introduce more services with android 4.2.

Mine is pretty useful, even if just for the traffic info between home and work. The weather info isn't as useful as I typically have weather on my homescreen as a widget. But I have Google Now display the local Baseball and Football team scores. I don't follow sports much but I do like the information.
Honestly I don't use mine as much either. I can't seem to make it talk anymore. Most results are just google results. Seems like when I had it setup from the original leaked JB rom, every response was spoken.
Granted I still use the search feature like I always have to find local restaurants and phone numbers, etc.

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Seems like you might have your GPS off. That kind of erratic behavior as far as location goes make me think it's only going by cell towers/WiFi hotspots, which is not entirely accurate.
I will admit though, it's not as informational as I thought it would be, but it will improve with time. I do have a schedule on my phone for work, and every single instance is named "Work". Because of this, it calculates how long of a commute I should expect, and let's me know what time I need to leave by.
It also displays my favorite NFL team's next game about 2 days in advanced, and displays the score for the rest of the day the day of the game.
It also always displays restaurants near me, but I've never really used that feature.
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Actually, my GPS is on all the time!

For weather, try checking the settings? Mine is set to show in the morning and evening and they always show up fine. It is not that useful for me since I already have weather widgets on my home screen but oh well.
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You sure your not using apple maps?

Maybe it is a regional/country-specific thing? I'm located in the US near Boston and it works pretty well for me.
I use it often because it'll show me my commute to work when I'm home, my commute to home a few hours before I leave work, movies on Fridays/Saturdays/Sundays, places I've searched for and how long it'll take to get there (restaurants, shops, etc.), weather warnings for my area, flight information (I don't fly often but experienced this recently, very cool), restaurant recommendations, score updates for the teams I follow, and my next calendar event and how long it'll take to get there if there's an address attached. Public transit directions (subway, bus) will also show up when I'm walking around Boston.
I noticed over the last month or so that Google Now became "better" than it was before. I'm not sure if it's because I've been checking into places I eat at or visit but now it's giving me 4-6 recommendations on average. Maybe try checking into more places? I only share my checkins with close family on Latitude if you're not comfortable with doing that.
If you want to get a feel for a really in-your-face Google Now experience, I recently went on a trip to New York City, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles and my Google Now exploded. I attached some screenshots to show you!

Google Now doesn't even recognize what I'm saying, its useless for me

Google Now always recognizes my voice and has relevant information for weather and traffic for me, it only took about a month to learn my travel habits. The only thing I am unhappy with GN is it doesn't know SEC scores/games/teams, Siri does.

Now works for me in the UK, but only when it feels like it. Cards randomly disappear and the GPS drain, for me, is not a decent tradeoff. I do use it for routing to recently searched addresses so that all well and good, nut constantly polling for weather and other travel alerts is a no go for me. It needs IMO to be opened up to devs so BBC and sky news can be sent to it, then it would be worthwhile. Apart from that I use seperate widgets for everything.
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Google now is cool, but I found it, in combination with location services to be a huge battery hog.
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I am in the US and find it basically useless. However, I think part of that has a lot to do with what you want to get out if it.
The maps usually showed me the worst way to get to work or not up-to-date weather info.
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only use it for weather and set the alarm, its basically a lazy way to do things on your phone/tablet. it does work alot faster than the one on the iphone(siri)
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I don't use Google Now, just not worth the battery drain of location always being on.

Google Now is OK, but I'm having the same issue with location history
Generally, I find Google Now to be fine, but when I look at location history, I see the same symptoms as you. It seems to me that at times, it thinks that it is at home while I'm out. The location history map online really shows what's happening.
I do disable WiFi when I'm not near a known hotspot that I use (Tasker, using Cell Near to enable and when WiFi connected to populate the list), and I'm wondering if that might be related. I'll try leaving WiFi on to see what happens.
Does anyone know how to tell where the location data is coming from? I'm thinking of rerolling my own with Tasker, based on Cell ID when not charging if this doesn't get fixed soon.
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Homey said:
I'm not trying to start an argument but I just like to know exactly what the point of Google Now is.
I've had my GNex for around 4 weeks now and despite me setting up Now correctly (defining home, work etc), it never shows me anything useful. Occasionally it shows me a route to work and a route home but they are totally the worst route that I could take. It never seems to learn any route and if I dare to look at Location History in Google maps, all I see are a bunch of crazy lines that in no way represent where I've actually travelled! It's like someone strapped my Nexus on a bird's back and started shooting at it!
For example, I took a day off yesterday and stayed at home, but late in the day I took my daughter to the shops 3 miles away. Location History says that I travelled 40miles with a bunch of random lines all over the map!
The weather has only ever popped up once in the last few weeks and vanished a couple of minutes later.
It never shows anything of any interest anywhere I go (ok, this may be where I live )
Is this a UK thing or is Google Now genuinely useless and a work-in-progress?
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I forgot to mention - this is on a Galaxy Note II. I know I'm in the wrong forum, but thought it was interesting that the issue was the same.
rickafterburner said:
Generally, I find Google Now to be fine, but when I look at location history, I see the same symptoms as you. It seems to me that at times, it thinks that it is at home while I'm out. The location history map online really shows what's happening.
I do disable WiFi when I'm not near a known hotspot that I use (Tasker, using Cell Near to enable and when WiFi connected to populate the list), and I'm wondering if that might be related. I'll try leaving WiFi on to see what happens.
Does anyone know how to tell where the location data is coming from? I'm thinking of rerolling my own with Tasker, based on Cell ID when not charging if this doesn't get fixed soon.
Rick
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iTzLOLtrain said:
You sure your not using apple maps?
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hehahahahahahah...
holy ****.. what a blow..:laugh:

Won't stay connected

Just got this watch. I had the Moto 360 before, it worked fine.
This doesn't want to stay connected. I have to reset the watch, uninstall Android Wear and re-install it, then it'll connect once. After that, it disconnects and won't connect again. So notifications, syncing, weather, etc don't work.
Looking at my phone in Android Wear it just says Connecting.... on the watch, it says disconnected. Going into Bluetooth settings doesn't do a damn thing either.

Try Bluetooth Auto Connect from Playstore, it´s working for me on a Note3 with Omega Rom

Thanks for the reply. I managed to sort it out... I missed the step to click "trust device" during the initial set up. I didn't realize that was a necessary step for the watch to stay connected. You'd think it'd just do it automatically.

I don´t know, if it´s automatic, but i have the function with klicking on "trust device", no change, only the "Blutetoot Auto Connect" app is working.

This piece of crap is doing it again. Once its been disconnected, it won't connect again without complelety startinh over and resetting everything.
I'll check out that app.
You know, people can bash apple all they want, but at least their **** actually works properly.

Hasn't happened in a while, but if mine won't connect I just go to the android wear app and disconnect the Zenwatch then connect again. Works every time...

Tried that, many times.. never works. That app doesn't work either.

Well this is a serious problem I've had the watch for about six weeks now it took awhile to get initial set up to begin with I was at the point to return it on the first day , then I don't know how but it just paired and started working fine , I was very happy until today turned the watch on it wasn't paired and I've literally been trying for hours to get this chit to connect with no luck I've reset it ,tried the app mentioned above no luck at this point I give up I bough it at best buy but I'm past the return period I'm going to try and find some customer service rep ,at this point I give up trying to get the watch to work,if anyone knows of a customer service phone number I would greatly appreciate it , or if anyone here has any helpful information , ,I'm pretty tech wavy. But I surrender at this point what a shame I really liked the watch but the aggravation factor is to much ,sorry for the.long rant but there's no where else to vent or look for help maybe together as a group we can find some answers again any help would be greatly appreciated......

did you forget the watch in your phones Bluetooth settings?

kellybrf said:
did you forget the watch in your phones Bluetooth settings?
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Thank's for replying but yes I've tried everything under the sun , just got home from work , going to see if I can't find a customer service number , if I can't get it resolved by the weekend I might as well throw 200$ in the Trash because That's where it's Going ....................:crying:

Go to settings / apps on your phone. Find google play services under running apps. See if device connection service is running. If not try rebooting your phone then the watch in that order and try to pair. You could also check if there is an update for play services and update if there is.
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Same issue here, boxing up my ZenWatch and bringing it back to Best Buy today. Still within the 15 days. I really like the watch but these random disconnects are a killer. Most of the time it auto-reconnects but every now and then I have to reboot everything--which is kinda ridiculous if I'm out running.
At least I'll have a different watch with everything else the same for comparison sake and report back.

Have you tried uninstalling zenwatch manager? Mine started disconnecting after the last update, and uninstalling seems to have fixed my issue
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I had the same problem I think the update from google services broke it.
unpair the watch from your phone then factory reset the watch and this is IMPORTANT pair your watch using "android wear" NOT the Bluetooth from the system phone
after I paired my watch using Android Wear now the watch stay connected and reconnect normally

keops777 said:
I had the same problem I think the update from google services broke it.
unpair the watch from your phone then factory reset the watch and this is IMPORTANT pair your watch using "android wear" NOT the Bluetooth from the system phone
after I paired my watch using Android Wear now the watch stay connected and reconnect normally
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After half a day working this seems to be the solution, thanks. :good:

Bad luck: two days later same problem persists (frequently disconnecting)

I am getting pretty tired of my Zenwatch not staying connected either. $200 is a lot of money for a watch that doesn't work right. It's had three or four updates since I bought it and it still sucks, should have sent it back the first week.
The Google nag to enable Google Now in the Android Wear screen is also a sore spot with me, if I wanted it enabled it would be enabled.
This whole "wearables" thing seems to be a poorly executed fad more than anything else, one that I'll be avoiding from here on out.

why would you have a watch that relies so heavily on google now and not enable it? connection has been just fine for me no several phones and software versions since I got it in January

kellybrf said:
why would you have a watch that relies so heavily on google now and not enable it? connection has been just fine for me no several phones and software versions since I got it in January
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Same here. I mean, it has disconnected maybe 3 times since I got it in November, but it hasn't been a big issue. Toggling BT on the phone reconnected it. I also agree with you about Google Now. It's central to how Wear works. Using a Wear device without Now would be like buying a car and trying to drive it without starting the engine.

kellybrf said:
why would you have a watch that relies so heavily on google now and not enable it? connection has been just fine for me no several phones and software versions since I got it in January
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You don't need Google now to benefit from owning this watch.
1. I like the ability to change watch faces and create my own with Watchmaker.
2. I can answer or dismiss a call from the watch.
3. Text and email notifications.
That's all I care about, anything else is an unnecessary distraction.

Question Multiple users on a freaking tablet in the 21st freaking century!!! (a little frustrated :) )

I bought this Mi Pad 5 (EU version) in hopes to have multiple users to switch between.
There is an app, SwitchMe, which (I think) would solve my problems, but I just bought the damn thing and have no need to loose warranty just to unlock the bootloader and root it in order to use the beforementioned app.
The included solution from MIUI, second room, doesn't allow the second user, to connect to google. Nor easy way to switch between users (actually, easy way to switch to first user, but not back to second user, AND only while using the tablet and not from lock-screen).
The last thing I found on the internet was, to enable multiple users via developer options.
The way to enable multiple user is to turn off MIUI optimization. But that is not an option on my tablet. As in, there is no slider to swipe to off.
Have I missed anything? Are there any way to have multiple users on a freaking tablet in the 21st freaking century?
Save me! you wonderful super nerds!

Hello,
Try post #20 of this :
Cannot access Google
Hello, Just got the tablet, it was really quick. Ordered when it went for sale in Italy on Thursday and today Friday morning already received it. Maybe I'm one of the first to receive the tablet with Global ROM, but I'm going to ask anyway: I...
forum.xda-developers.com

I've had the same frustrations and can't for the life of me understand why Xiaomi would feel the compulsion to strip away Android's core multi-user stuff just to introduce a half-baked porrly thought out substitute. What if we're more than 2 in our household anyways ?
If the above suggestion kind of works for some google accounts, it won't for accounts supervised with family link. So if you wanted to share the tablet with a kid, registered as such, you're out of luck. I'm in the process of trying a custom ROM to get rid of MIUI, because I already can't stand the thing. And that makes me sad, because I thought such OEM nonsense had been left behind YEARS ago, and I can now see I was deeply mistaken :-(

So I have the pro version and I can connect to google just fine.
But when I go try it on the regular pad 5 yeah it can't connect both on second space and multiple users. Is it a rom issue maybe? that might get fixed?
Anyway.. to access multiple users try this:
1.Download Activity launcher from the play store.
2. Open the app and search for "multiple users".
Click on it and add users from there.
Extra step: press & hold on "multiple users" to create a shortcut to this menu to your home screen.
Make sure to enable Home screen shortcuts permission for the app first.
It's still inconvenient to use. Only way to access other profiles is from that settings menu.
And it won't connect to google, just wait and hit skip.
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The included solution from MIUI, second room, doesn't allow the second user, to connect to google. Nor easy way to switch between users (actually, easy way to switch to first user, but not back to second user, AND only while using the tablet and not from lock-screen).
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You can switch between the users using different passwords from the lockscreen. I'm using a different pattern for the second space.
You can switch to first and back to second user while using the tablet just you have to enable it from the settings. " add shortcut to home screen"
Also check the solutions on the mentioned thread above. I can see on post #24 someone got it connected to google on second space.

@Half Alive , you rock ! While I was waiting for Xiaomi to allow me to unlock the bootloader on my Pad 5, I tried your suggestion with Activity Launcher and, lo and behold, it worked ! I was able to add my son's Google account and family link is now doing its thing. Now, since the multiuser features are still there, why did Xiaomi jumped through hoops to hide them ? That still feels quite a bit dumb to me, but hey, as long as I can use them, I guess it'll do.
Thanks again !

I can confirm that the fix mentioned on the other thread is working to fix the login error on the second space Account. To solve the problem do the following:
* Go to Apps, show all
* Google Play Store -> uninstall updates
* Google Play Services -> uninstall updates (after this the app list disappear)
* You can go to the Play store and login
* Repeat for the other space if necessary
Thanks for the help
u363840​

I posted my thread late December and unfortunately forgot all about it. Though I did have my dad and his wife staying over new year, so I was preoccupied.
Thank you for your replies and I will test the posted solution come dawn, and report back after that.

Thank you all for your contribution!
I am now a happy owner of a tablet with multiple users via second space. Not as polished as I would like it. But it works and I'm happy.
Thank you

peulaupeu said:
@Half Alive , you rock ! While I was waiting for Xiaomi to allow me to unlock the bootloader on my Pad 5, I tried your suggestion with Activity Launcher and, lo and behold, it worked ! I was able to add my son's Google account and family link is now doing its thing. Now, since the multiuser features are still there, why did Xiaomi jumped through hoops to hide them ? That still feels quite a bit dumb to me, but hey, as long as I can use them, I guess it'll do.
Thanks again !
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Hi, can I have details on how you managed to get family link to work?
I tried to install my child's profile first but it wouldn't let me, kept hanging on family link manager. I also removed all accounts and added mine first and tried to set up multiple users but I couldn't set up the account. It would just loop on trying to contact Google. I also tried to uninstall updates and clear data on Google play and services without success.

Well, I ended up installing a phh GSI on it, because switching profiles was way too bothersome for everyday use in the end. So I can only try to remember, but I don't think I did anything other than what you said coupled with the trick mentionned by @Half Alive . I'm sorry I can't remember doing anything else :-/

peulaupeu said:
Well, I ended up installing a phh GSI on it, because switching profiles was way too bothersome for everyday use in the end. So I can only try to remember, but I don't think I did anything other than what you said coupled with the trick mentionned by @Half Alive . I'm sorry I can't remember doing anything else :-/
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Not a prob. Thanks anyway. I'll keep hacking away at it. Hopefully the MIUI 13 update sorts it. Otherwise I'll have to try an alternate rom too. Thanks.

DuneBug said:
Not a prob. Thanks anyway. I'll keep hacking away at it. Hopefully the MIUI 13 update sorts it. Otherwise I'll have to try an alternate rom too. Thanks.
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Updated today to MIUI 13 Global version and.... not working. Again boot loop while configuring second space as a child's account

For anyone interested in setting up a managed child's account, I seemed to have figured it out. Take note, this is only for a single child's account on the Tab 5. Not for a tab being shared by two users.
When I first got the Tab, I set it up with a child's account and it was successful but I couldn't manage the account from family link and so tried to remove the accound and re add it but despite all the tricks above, it didn't work.
But this did work:
Totally factory reset the device and on the first boot set up the tab with the child's account. On this attempt everything went totally smooth (with no additional tricks). The account works fine and is totally managed by Family Link. Have been using it for almost a week smoothly.

DuneBug said:
For anyone interested in setting up a managed child's account, I seemed to have figured it out. Take note, this is only for a single child's account on the Tab 5. Not for a tab being shared by two users.
When I first got the Tab, I set it up with a child's account and it was successful but I couldn't manage the account from family link and so tried to remove the accound and re add it but despite all the tricks above, it didn't work.
But this did work:
Totally factory reset the device and on the first boot set up the tab with the child's account. On this attempt everything went totally smooth (with no additional tricks). The account works fine and is totally managed by Family Link. Have been using it for almost a week smoothly.
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With this particular option, one single child account, does it allow to install miui system updates? Tried with miui 12 with no luck

ximenin01 said:
With this particular option, one single child account, does it allow to install miui system updates? Tried with miui 12 with no luck
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Yee, I updated to miui 13 a couple of weeks ago. No problem. But I did install family link on my phone to monitor the device. No problem on the update. All has been working smoothly.

General Whomp - A Tale of Swift Return (lol)

Kind of bummed, ahh well.
Now that that is unrooting and relocking is out of the way... have to say I am sad about this one. I was excited for it, spent HOURS getting it all setup. You all know the deal, lol.
Ran into two issues that I found that apparently showed up with OnePlus' implementation of Android 12 and persist even still... all this time later.
1. The Display Timeout option is not properly (normally) exposed to things like Tasker
2. Call redirection (for things like Google Voice) is broken
I recognize that these are probably issues that 90% of people don't notice/care about, but they're also extremely well documented and reported in all of the normal OnePlus places. I find it bonkers that after all this time, those issues still exist. I use Google Voice to make calls as needed for business when I am on the move without exposing my personal number (and to avoid carrying two devices). I made a number of calls before realizing that it was not working properly (since it's not obvious).
Coupled with some of the little Pixel things I was fine giving up... eh. Just feel sour about long time bugs like that.
Maybe I will try the OnePlus 12 next year. For now, the OnePlus 11 goes back to Amazon.
Just a little rant into the void.

I can't believe they still haven't fixed call redirection. That's been an issue since Android 12 on the OP9. It was so annoying I just switched Google Voice to prefer wifi/mobile data and used the dialer in the app to work around it.

EtherealRemnant said:
I can't believe they still haven't fixed call redirection. That's been an issue since Android 12 on the OP9. It was so annoying I just switched Google Voice to prefer wifi/mobile data and used the dialer in the app to work around it.
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Yeah... I could work around that... yes, it would be annoying when I am getting in the car to remember to have to get out of the parking lot (off wifi) before making the call... but it would end up ok. Then sometimes (hit or miss in my experience) the call would get messed up when I arrive somewhere and connect to wifi again during the call).
And I could work around the Display Timeout issue using different apps and such.
And workaround this and that, etc. But it's just BS to me. Like... fix these old bugs that you create in your build that don't exist in Android/every other build. Admittedly, I was really annoyed at the several calls I made where I had no idea the wrong number was being shown on the receivers ID. Soured the whole thing for me.

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Yeah... I could work around that... yes, it would be annoying when I am getting in the car to remember to have to get out of the parking lot (off wifi) before making the call... but it would end up ok. Then sometimes (hit or miss in my experience) the call would get messed up when I arrive somewhere and connect to wifi again during the call).
And I could work around the Display Timeout issue using different apps and such.
And workaround this and that, etc. But it's just BS to me. Like... fix these old bugs that you create in your build that don't exist in Android/every other build. Admittedly, I was really annoyed at the several calls I made where I had no idea the wrong number was being shown on the receivers ID. Soured the whole thing for me.
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Totally agreed. I dumped my OnePlus 9 for the Pixel 7 Pro and chose the S23 Ultra over the much cheaper OnePlus 11 because of my software experience with the 9.

EtherealRemnant said:
Totally agreed. I dumped my OnePlus 9 for the Pixel 7 Pro and chose the S23 Ultra over the much cheaper OnePlus 11 because of my software experience with the 9.
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I would love to try the S23 Ultra, but from what I've read... the hoops to unlock and root are just a pain. Getting an import model, etc etc.
I root for many fewer reasons than I once did... but I still have reasons to do it. Someday.

dmarden said:
I would love to try the S23 Ultra, but from what I've read... the hoops to unlock and root are just a pain. Getting an import model, etc etc.
I root for many fewer reasons than I once did... but I still have reasons to do it. Someday.
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Yeah I kept my Pixel for my rooting needs (really just for Network Signal Guru) and haven't missed it at all on the S23U. There's no way I'll ever import a phone with all the compatibility issues AT&T and Verizon have with them plus they never have n71 for T-Mobile either.

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Yeah I kept my Pixel for my rooting needs (really just for Network Signal Guru) and haven't missed it at all on the S23U. There's no way I'll ever import a phone with all the compatibility issues AT&T and Verizon have with them plus they never have n71 for T-Mobile either.
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Every year I think more and more about it. At this point I am using root for 4 apps and only 2 of them matter.
1. Adguard - So I can nicely adblock without using VPN style blocking.
2. Swift Backup because I actually find myself regularly wanting to roll back or recover.
The other two are Tasker, but that's mostly just for self granting permissions, and my file explorer that I can easily live without.

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Every year I think more and more about it. At this point I am using root for 4 apps and only 2 of them matter.
1. Adguard - So I can nicely adblock without using VPN style blocking.
2. Swift Backup because I actually find myself regularly wanting to roll back or recover.
The other two are Tasker, but that's mostly just for self granting permissions, and my file explorer that I can easily live without.
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I switched to Brave so I don't need an ad blocker (ads in apps don't bother me, just the nonsense that happens in the browser, and in fact I get free service from Boost for watching ads anyway) and I started noticing problems with backups that included app data so I just switched to Google Backup. I will say though, Shizuku is supported by Swift Backup. You can back up and restore everything except the app data without root using Shizuku.

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I switched to Brave so I don't need an ad blocker (ads in apps don't bother me, just the nonsense that happens in the browser, and in fact I get free service from Boost for watching ads anyway) and I started noticing problems with backups that included app data so I just switched to Google Backup. I will say though, Shizuku is supported by Swift Backup. You can back up and restore everything except the app data without root using Shizuku.
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Yeah, I have needed that app data a number of times... for better or worse, I guess.

I'm selling my OnePlus 11. The software is beyond frustrating and the simple tweaks one can do with Developer Options and ADB are either locked out on this phone or revert to defaults upon reboot. Clearly, OnePlus doesn't listen to their fan base outside of China. The development potential was what drove me to buy this, but it has been a complete disappointment. The lack of wireless charging has also proven to be an inconvenience and I don't trust the longevity of the charging port.
It looks like if you want a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 running clean versions of Android, Motorola and Sony are the way to go.