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Refund Snapdragon For Exynos?

My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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Take a look at this before making any decisions...

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Take a look atthisbefore making any decisions...
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That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?

acheney1990 said:
That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?
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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update

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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.
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I agree get the Exynos if you can. The Snapdragon is full of problems and terrible battery life compared to the Exynos version.
Literally the only way I can make my Exynos lag is too open all 120 apps while multi windows + running Antutu (exaggeration obviously) in all seriousness I have never seen my device lag even when gaming order and chaos 2, dead trigger 2, Pokemon Go, clash of clans..etc

stevierayvaughan said:
I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update
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I talked to them today over chat support. I asked about exchange or refund. They seemed reluctant at first but said were gonna put a note in my account for when I went back to the store I got it from... Saying to refund it. No if they actually do so at the store or what trouble they give me is another thing.

So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!

phame said:
So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!
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I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.

the only issue I'm having with the exynos is button lag (have to keep pressing the button esp on the phone app before it works) and occasional reboots. It also hung when sending a SMS whilst listening to music, taking 2 restarts to go back to normal.

imatts said:
I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.
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Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.

phame said:
Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.
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So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.

acheney1990 said:
So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.
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Nope.
I have been using the SM-N9300 (Hong Kong version) of the Note 7 w/ the Snap Dragon 820 for 6 days now. Have not had a single lag issue. No problems whatsoever with the typing. I have installed and used the stock Samsung, Google and Swift Key keyboards and all of them work perfectly fine with no lag whatsoever.
What is funny is that the Exynos version I recently purchased and have had for almost 3 days now, has had that lag with typing. But only once or twice and nothing too extreme. There is actually a whole thread of people using the Exynos version who are experiencing the Key board lag issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/galaxy-note-7-singapore-thread-sm-t3444909
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here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help/note-7-repeated-restart-bootloop-issues-t3444510/page11

Snapdragon = locked bootloader.
Exynos= unlocked.
That's all that needs to be said and should be an easy choice if your here on XDA.
sent from my Note 7 or S6

Might be blasphemy here but after years of custom ROMs on S3 and shortly on S5 (which made the experiences great, no doubt), I can't think of any reason to need root with what I can do on the Note 7 as it is. Even Good Lock takes me back to that nice notification and quick settings I was used to. Of course that's just my requirements of the phone, no doubt plenty want root.

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Overall speed

Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy A51 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy A51 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy A51 with Feb 2020 Patch, performance is very sluggish and slow compared to other 6gb ram devices that I used last year, you can "Feel" the delay of animation from fingerprint, opening, and closing apps, I am totally disappointed with the performance of this device, hopefully Samsung can find a way to optimize its software with its hardware capability.

It's a little all over the place for me, but ultimately disappointing. I don't know if it's a problem with my device, but it seems like my phone just ****s the bed during random intervals. There are times when I'll be using my phone and it will be surprisingly smooth considering the hardware, and other times where the animations feel very choppy and unpleasant. I've been running a lot of AnTuTu benchmarks, and I've got scores up to 180,000 when it's doing good, and down to almost 130,000 when ****s going on. And that's not just AnTuTu, these are differences I can feel in normal operations. So it's weird. I'm not sure if it's some kind of hardware bug or I've got some background process eating away performance that I'm unaware of, or something else. It's a real shame, because there's a lot I love about this phone.
But that's my experience. For the record, I have the Latin American variant with 4gb of ram. I still have yet to get any updates on it. It seems I'm stuck with the December security patch (I'm not sure what's up with that).

Alfalfalaffa said:
It's a little all over the place for me, but ultimately disappointing. I don't know if it's a problem with my device, but it seems like my phone just ****s the bed during random intervals. There are times when I'll be using my phone and it will be surprisingly smooth considering the hardware, and other times where the animations feel very choppy and unpleasant. I've been running a lot of AnTuTu benchmarks, and I've got scores up to 180,000 when it's doing good, and down to almost 130,000 when ****s going on. And that's not just AnTuTu, these are differences I can feel in normal operations. So it's weird. I'm not sure if it's some kind of hardware bug or I've got some background process eating away performance that I'm unaware of, or something else. It's a real shame, because there's a lot I love about this phone.
But that's my experience. For the record, I have the Latin American variant with 4gb of ram. I still have yet to get any updates on it. It seems I'm stuck with the December security patch (I'm not sure what's up with that).
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Think I am having a similar experience, much choppier then I would have expected. Hangs a lot when opening or switching apps. Battery life disappointing as well. I am also on December security patch.

Takes a second for home screen to refresh and load folders etc when going from an app to the home screen, not ideal.

Slow performance
Samsung A51 became slower after the new updates..

Good my variant is the SM-A515F (Panama), I am in with the firmware A515FXXU3ATC5 with security 2020-03-13. It is super fast and very stable, it does not have to be root, just apply disinfestation of garbage apk, through the ADB method, and the phone has shown very good behavior, getting 34 to 36 hours of battery, and in games this Super fast. I recommend you to update your official bases and remove garbage apk, with the ADB method.

[email protected] said:
Good my variant is the SM-A515F (Panama), I am in with the firmware A515FXXU3ATC5 with security 2020-03-13. It is super fast and very stable, it does not have to be root, just apply disinfestation of garbage apk, through the ADB method, and the phone has shown very good behavior, getting 34 to 36 hours of battery, and in games this Super fast. I recommend you to update your official bases and remove garbage apk, with the ADB method.
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Hello,
Good.
What is the packages to uninstal ?
Thanks you

I wanted to chime in here. I just got this device via Sprint so US model not the international one. I was a bit fearful coming from a pixel 4 based on the performance comments. I like plastic phones that have good specs and can be replaced if I drop it and crack the screen (refuse to use cases).
My experience with performance has been pleasantly surprising. Is it as fast as my pixel 4 was, heck no but for day to day use do i really notice enough that makes me regret the switch? Nope, not one bit. Most are probably aware but there is a good YouTube guide to speed this device up. A lot of it is common knowledge via Developer options but some of the other tips are good ones to apply if you aren't familiar with Samsung phones specifically.
How to enable Beast Mode on Galaxy A51: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0Lkax0QSs&t=331s
Now if we can get a good ADB bloatware removal guide for this device we should see even further improvements.

Using the debloat guide for the A50 works just fine. The phone looks and works great for me and it's the 4GB version. Fingerprint unlock also works reasonably well and reliably after applying the tips listed on these pages.

It's pretty bad, yeah. My Nokia 7 Plus is faster and a better phone.

Seconded, trick is to remove all the bloatware
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Good my variant is the SM-A515F (Panama), I am in with the firmware A515FXXU3ATC5 with security 2020-03-13. It is super fast and very stable, it does not have to be root, just apply disinfestation of garbage apk, through the ADB method, and the phone has shown very good behavior, getting 34 to 36 hours of battery, and in games this Super fast. I recommend you to update your official bases and remove garbage apk, with the ADB method.
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I'll second this. Once I removed all of the bloatware (or technically, disabled, via the well known ADB method) and changed launchers (Lawnchair), this device runs like a dream. Hell, Asphalt plays w/o issue and is smooth and fast.
My only gripe so far is that I have been unable to find a working Gcam, the camera software leaves much to be desired.

dosangst said:
I'll second this. Once I removed all of the bloatware (or technically, disabled, via the well known APK method) and changed launchers (Lawnchair), this device runs like a dream. Hell, Asphalt plays w/o issue and is smooth and fast.
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Hello,
I desabled some apk.
Do you have a list of the apk you desabled ?
Thanks

Why is turning the screen horizontally or vertically so slow? I've never had a phone where it takes 3 seconds for the screen to rotate after I turn my phone until a51.

Wikhatib said:
It's pretty bad, yeah. My Nokia 7 Plus is faster and a better phone.
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I was considering a galaxy a51 as replacement for my nokia 7 plus, because of its infamous hardware issue are starting to bother me (display brightness, loose usb port).
I take it from your comment this phone isn't a good replacement

had it for a little over a week now, not a heavy user but moderate (mostly taking photos or using social media).
It's not bad, ofc it can't be compared to a flagship, but for simple daily tasks it's more than enough at this point
opening the camera takes quite long sometimes and apps tend to take a second or two to start, but then they're pretty fast and snappy
paid 280 € for it and that seems absolutely reasonable to me

Shizuwi said:
I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy A51 with Feb 2020 Patch, performance is very sluggish and slow compared to other 6gb ram devices that I used last year, you can "Feel" the delay of animation from fingerprint, opening, and closing apps, I am totally disappointed with the performance of this device, hopefully Samsung can find a way to optimize its software with its hardware capability.
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The cure for lag is simple, I've used it on every Samsung device since the S2:
Uninstall or disable all the bloatware you can. Install another launcher (I use Nova) - set all animations to the fastest.
For good measure, disable all animations in settings -> developer options.
Lag gone.
CAVEAT I don't do gaming (life is too short) so can't comment on that.

Shizuwi said:
I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy A51 with Feb 2020 Patch, performance is very sluggish and slow compared to other 6gb ram devices that I used last year, you can "Feel" the delay of animation from fingerprint, opening, and closing apps, I am totally disappointed with the performance of this device, hopefully Samsung can find a way to optimize its software with its hardware capability.
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Probably due the low end processor Samsung put on it, sadly it has its limits

I've setup several A51's for people and it is hands down the slowest budget phone I've used in awhile. If you have Verizon, I strongly recommend the A51 5G UW or the S20 FE instead. The Snapdragon 765G and 865 are much faster and seem more stable. Given that the 5G models are also affordable, I cannot recommend the regular A51 to anyone.

Guyinlaca said:
I've setup several A51's for people and it is hands down the slowest budget phone I've used in awhile. If you have Verizon, I strongly recommend the A51 5G UW or the S20 FE instead. The Snapdragon 765G and 865 are much faster and seem more stable. Given that the 5G models are also affordable, I cannot recommend the regular A51 to anyone.
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Yes, perhaps. But...My wife and I both have the A51 and I have recommended it to my brother. He and his wife now have the A51. None of the 4 of us play games, and we all are between 70 and 80 years old. For us, it's the best phone we've ever had and I sold my S8 to buy the A51. At my age, the S8 was just too small and had a good but limited Camera. The A51 is perfect for all our needs.
It's a great phone for the $279 we each paid IF you don't do any heavy gaming. It's plenty fast enough for us old folks.
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Improved Spen latency with One UI 2.5

Has any one noticed any improvement on Spen latency after One UI 2.5 update ? I compared it next to Note 20 and I can barely see any difference in Spen response , I tested using Samsung note app in full screen

That be cool if true... thought the 20U's reduced latency was hardware though?
Lol, I'm still running Pie with no intentions of going to Q.

Might be a placebo effect, but, I feel a little less latency on ui 2.5… meh… I am almost sure it is indeed a placebo effect

winol said:
Might be a placebo effect, but, I feel a little less latency on ui 2.5… meh… I am almost sure it is indeed a placebo effect
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Q may have made firmware improvements that UI 2.5 benefited from, but lacks the hardware to fully implement it.
Samsung is dicking us around trickle feeding us hardware improvements.
Samsung hopes we'll choke up $1+G every year rather than give us our bang for the buck.
The spen latency and the 120 hz display rate was doable on the 10+ maybe even faster cpu and memory.
I'm not happy with fragmented, dysfunctional, greedy Sammy... you're only as good as your last smartphone.
Yes, well... I'm staying on Pie and 1 ui even though Samsung isn't making the newest Good Lock apps available for it. Simply not worth losing a fast, rock stable OS for a few tokens and trinkets.
Q is still a downgrade as best I can tell.
That's Google's fault, worse 11 maybe be even more fractured and inefficient. Scope storage is a disaster.
Maybe Android will get it's act together with 12 or go the way of W10; completely useless trashware.

blackhawk said:
Q may have made firmware improvements that UI 2.5 benefited from, but lacks the hardware to fully implement it.
Samsung is dicking us around trickle feeding us hardware improvements.
Samsung hopes we'll choke up $1+G every year rather than give us our bang for the buck.
The spen latency and the 120 hz display rate was doable on the 10+ maybe even faster cpu and memory.
I'm not happy with fragmented, dysfunctional, greedy Sammy... you're only as good as your last smartphone.
Yes, well... I'm staying on Pie and 1 ui even though Samsung isn't making the newest Good Lock apps available for it. Simply not worth losing a fast, rock stable OS for a few tokens and trinkets.
Q is still a downgrade as best I can tell.
That's Google's fault, worse 11 maybe be even more fractured and inefficient. Scope storage is a disaster.
Maybe Android will get it's act together with 12 or go the way of W10; completely useless trashware.
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Mate if you are in the US, Canada or South Korea you can't complain about hardware. The rest of the world got the Exynos ****set (sorry, chipset) while those guys got Snapdragon... Note 20 didn't fair any better but got left even further behind with Samsung trying to feed us the bull**** that they are "virtually identicle" performance wise... What a crock of sh!t that is...

winol said:
Might be a placebo effect, but, I feel a little less latency on ui 2.5… meh… I am almost sure it is indeed a placebo effect
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Mate if you are in the US, Canada or South Korea you can't complain about hardware. The rest of the world got the Exynos ****set (sorry, chipset) while those guys got Snapdragon... Note 20 didn't fair any better but got left even further behind with Samsung trying to feed us the bull**** that they are "virtually identicle" performance wise... What a crock of sh!t that is...
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I hear you. More of that infamous Samsung fragmentation.
Truth be told it took me months and PD MDM to sort the US version out. It was a hot running, battery and bandwidth eating terror more then once. Still running on Pie but finally got it sorted out.
It's very stable and runs well but it wasn't always like that!
Can't say about your version as I never mucked with it.
Keep playing with it; the US version can be a terror out of the box too.

blackhawk said:
That be cool if true... thought the 20U's reduced latency was hardware though?
Lol, I'm still running Pie with no intentions of going to Q.
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It is half hardware half software in the Note 20 ultra ”9ms”, but in the Regular Note 20 , it is pure software as it is 60hz display ”24ms” in Note10plus they said it is ”42ms”
But when I compared it to the Note 20 & Note 20 ultra after 2.5 update it was exactly the same as Note20 and slightly slower not recognizable also as Note 20 ultra

winol said:
Might be a placebo effect, but, I feel a little less latency on ui 2.5… meh… I am almost sure it is indeed a placebo effect
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It is not placebo i think I have both devices at my hand

I never experienced any latency related issues when using Spen since Note 4. On note 10+ I cannot detect any form of latency when drawing or writing with the Spen.
So I cannot imagine a lot of people are going out of their skull with this reduced latency on Note 20 series....

Question Is it worth it to upgrade to z fold 3

I received a used z fold 2 in pristine condition that was used for a month or less and can upgrade to the z fold 3 for $500. Is it worth the upgrade for $500?

droid745 said:
I received a used z fold 2 in pristine condition that was used for a month or less and can upgrade to the z fold 3 for $500. Is it worth the upgrade for $500?
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I would say no. You get
CONS:
a smaller outer display
A smaller battery,
PROS
a tad better processor
a kinda invisible under display inner camera, which is a worse compared to fold 2.

Fytdyh said:
I would say no. You get
CONS:
a smaller outer display
A smaller battery,
PROS
a tad better processor
a kinda invisible under display inner camera, which is a worse compared to fold 2.
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Thanks, that is what I was thinking. Just wish the z fold 2 had a better inner screen protector like the 3 as the rubbery feeling kind of sucks on the 2. I think I will just keep the 2 and see what they do with the z fold 4 next year and then maybe upgrade to that.

droid745 said:
Thanks, that is what I was thinking. Just wish the z fold 2 had a better inner screen protector like the 3 as the rubbery feeling kind of sucks on the 2. I think I will just keep the 2 and see what they do with the z fold 4 next year and then maybe upgrade to that.
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You will probably be able to get a better deal on trade in, too. I managed to snaffle an au$1,300 trade in discount (~us$900) plus half price care + by trading in my Z Flip that only cost au$1,000 last year. It was a limited time offer, and Samsung often do these.

Fytdyh said:
I would say no. You get
CONS:
a smaller outer display
A smaller battery,
PROS
a tad better processor
a kinda invisible under display inner camera, which is a worse compared to fold 2.
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droid745 said:
I received a used z fold 2 in pristine condition that was used for a month or less and can upgrade to the z fold 3 for $500. Is it worth the upgrade for $500?
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The outer display is the exact same size on both devices. And the battery size is very close. 4500 vs 4400.
You also get water resistance and SPen compatibility.
I had the ZF2 for almost a year, and the ZF2 has been a great upgrade, well worth the money in my opinion. $500 to upgrade is a really good real, but I think Best Buy has some pretty crazy offers right now too.

droid745 said:
I received a used z fold 2 in pristine condition that was used for a month or less and can upgrade to the z fold 3 for $500. Is it worth the upgrade for $500?
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I would say what's $500 worth to you. $500 isnt much to some, I spend more on dinner. So I would upgrade all day everyday. I will say that the z fold 3 is the first phone in years that I won't switch from until it's successor comes out (the Motorola RAZR back in 2004 was the last). It does everything right for me. Especially since I use the camera only once a month.

I would upgrade without question. If not just for the fact that I live in an area with bad reception and the F3 is getting much better reception then the F2 to the point where I don't have to be on wifi calling to use the phone on the F3. The internal screen is much better to the touch and definitely feels tougher and certainly not as sticky and rubbery as the F2 screen does...love the F3.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
The outer display is the exact same size on both devices. And the battery size is very close. 4500 vs 4400.
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Whilst battery is 5% smaller, SOT & usage from a full charge is 25 to 30% less on the Fold3..
Definitiely a much worse battery drain on an Fold3 vs Fold2. I would NOT upgrade right now!
(I do have my fingers crossed Android 12 closes the battery life gap ... but am not holding my breath).

dezborders said:
Whilst battery is 5% smaller, SOT & usage from a full charge is 25 to 30% less on the Fold3..
Definitiely a much worse battery drain on an Fold3 vs Fold2. I would NOT upgrade right now!
(I do have my fingers crossed Android 12 closes the battery life gap ... but am not holding my breath).
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I've had the ZF3 since launch and yes at first battery life was terrible. All new devices are like that. Go through ANY forum here, and you'll see complaints on every single one of them about battery life at launch. ALL of them.
But it has improved and I would say it's very comparable now to the ZF2, which I owned for almost a year.
I would definitely upgrade from the ZF2 to the ZF3 given a good deal.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
I've had the ZF3 since launch and yes at first battery life was terrible. All new devices are like that. Go through ANY forum here, and you'll see complaints on every single one of them about battery life at launch. ALL of them.
But it has improved and I would say it's very comparable now to the ZF2, which I owned for almost a year.
I would definitely upgrade from the ZF2 to the ZF3 given a good deal.
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I had a Fold3 for 2 months and battery life was CONSISTENTLY 25 - 30% poorer than on the F2
Some Forum members point at Snapdragon 888 as a power hog. Other people have other ideas
Constant factor for me is 25% WORSE battery life.on F3 over what I had with F2
@OP Don't upgrade from a F2 to an F3 if getting a full days use on one full charge is important to you

dezborders said:
I had a Fold3 for 2 months and battery life was CONSISTENTLY 25 - 30% poorer than on the F2
Some Forum members point at Snapdragon 888 as a power hog. Other people have other ideas
Constant factor for me is 25% WORSE battery life.on F3 over what I had with F2
@OP Don't upgrade from a F2 to an F3 if getting a full days use on one full charge is important to you
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I didn't have the Fold 2 but I had S20 Ultra and the Fold 3 battery time is better than the S20 Ultra's.

vinczetibor said:
I didn't have the Fold 2 but I had S20 Ultra and the Fold 3 battery time is better than the S20 Ultra's.
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Cool yes coming from different devices will be a different experience for Fold3 upgrade
I was trying to answer the OP who has an F2 and asked if it's worth the upgrade to F3

I can only offer my experience of battery and that it has been excellent. I have about 40% left at the end of a day.
Thats with alot of spotify streaming, gps/fitbit as I use for a run, YouTube for about an hour, with Twitter and Facebook thrown in for extra.

The real question is if you didn't have the Z fold 3 and being 60 days away when the S22 Ultra/Note with Spen hits the stores is it even worth upgrading? You know many on XDA will be running to the S22 Ultra with built in Spen when it hits.
I currently have the S21Ultra and love the Note line. Saki will be Flossy will be all saying to get it when it hits.

Blues fan said:
The real question is if you didn't have the Z fold 3 and being 60 days away when the S22 Ultra/Note with Spen hits the stores is it even worth upgrading? You know many on XDA will be running to the S22 Ultra with built in Spen when it hits.
I currently have the S21Ultra and love the Note line. Saki will be Flossy will be all saying to get it when it hits.
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-If- Samsung gets their sorry Note act together it will likely be in the fall of next year.
Even if that happens Android has dropped the ball twice now with Android 11 and 12.
It will be probably closer to 2 years before their scoped storage mess gets effectively implemented.

blackhawk said:
-If- Samsung gets their sorry Note act together it will likely be in the fall of next year.
Even if that happens Android has dropped the ball twice now with Android 11 and 12.
It will be probably closer to 2 years before their scoped storage mess gets effectively implemented.
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the S22 Ultra IS the Note It's called the S22 Ultra but it's just the Note with a new name. Going forward the Ultra is the Note device released with the S series.
I don't like the Android 12 myself. My S21 Ultra is flawless, was and Android 12 it's acting buggy now. Seeing a lot of people complaining about it with their Fold devices as well.

Blues fan said:
the S22 Ultra IS the Note It's called the S22 Ultra but it's just the Note with a new name. Going forward the Ultra is the Note device released with the S series.
I don't like the Android 12 myself. My S21 Ultra is flawless, was and Android 12 it's acting buggy now. Seeing a lot of people complaining about it with their Fold devices as well.
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We'll see what the rabid box of gerbils know as Samsung does in the coming year.
I bought my second new N10+ 2 months ago because I like them a lot, they're a solid workhorse and don't want to deal with the multiple issues both Samsung and Android are having with their new technologies. I'm running on Android 9 and 10 with zero incentive to go beyond Android 10.
Of course it depends what's important to the individual. I've never had any major security issues even on the 2 yo Pie variant, but scoped storage would trash my freeware office app for starters.
Color rendering, good low light display usability and battery life are more important variable refresh rates. Add to that I know the N10+'s display is long lived and reliable.
5G isn't worth the power trade off as 4G gets it done and will even speed up a bit because of the 5G users reducing the pressure on the 4G bandwidth.
A faster Snapdragon and ram memory be nice but that be offset somewhat by scoped storage and forced encryption.
A SD card slot is mandatory; I need my dual drive computer.
I prefer the square display corners immensely as well as the 7mm profile with no cam hump.
Absolutely insist on a native spen, preferably on the right side and with bt remote capability.
Samsung runs hot and cold.
When they're running what you consider to be hot, grab it.
When they're cold, let Samsung hold on to it
When in doubt, wait.

blackhawk said:
I bought my second new N10+ 2 months ago because I like them a lot, they're a solid workhorse and don't want to deal with the multiple issues both Samsung and Android are having with their new technologies. I'm running on Android 9 and 10 with zero incentive to go beyond Android 10.
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Each to their own.... N10+ x2 and Android 9 and 10. on them. You are in a unique group with a membershuip of 1!
I will stick to using the latest & greates devices with the current OS & all available security patches applied as soon as released.
(like 99.9999% of XDA users I imagine)

dezborders said:
Each to their own.... N10+ x2 and Android 9 and 10. on them. You are in a unique group with a membershuip of 1!
I will stick to using the latest & greates devices with the current OS & all available security patches applied as soon as released.
(like 99.9999% of XDA users I imagine)
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Remember Google stopped reporting their user Android version adaptation... we know why.
Had Goggle and particularly Samsung done their job well... I be holding it

blackhawk said:
Remember Google stopped reporting their user Android version adaptation... we know why.
Had Goggle and particularly Samsung done their job well... I be holding it
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To he honest I have used Android 10 11 and 12 on many brands and devices and never had any serious issues with any of them - never ever ...
In the last 8 weeks I have used Android 12 as daily driver on Xiaomi Mi11, Google Pixel 6 Pro and S21 Ultra and all of them were stable and smooth as butter... And all with spectacular battery life over my own previous Android 11 SOT experience with each of them
That's why I'm holding onto my F3 until A12 stable is released... just to see if I can manage a full days use on a Fold3 without experiencing battery anxiety by mid afternoon

Question Experience Performance of the vivo x80 pro and heating issues

I've been wanting to get this phone as my daily driver. I've been wanting something with stellar performance and a top notch camera.
If I do end up getting it, I want to use it for four years.
I'm coming from a oneplus 6, which has handled its fair share of hardcore usage. From heavy multi tasking, to having its hot-spot stay on for 12 hours a day, to heavy gaming, and a phone loaded with data, Its seen it all.
I wanted to know whether the vivo users here think that the x80 pro will be able to take such hardcore usage day in and out for at least 4-5 years?
I am just a little worried before I spend all this money on a brand which I know very little about. Especially because most of the information online seems to be "sponsored" by vivo. I mean the phone does look really promising on paper. But would it be able to take this beating in real life?
I also heard that the vivo x80 pro heats up doing regular things such as watching YouTube videos etc. and that I'd be better off waiting for the vivo x80 pro plus. Would that be a good idea? I was really looking forward to the vivo. So any input would be appreciated.

Hi,
I've the vivo x80 pro (origin is, 512 gb, dim9000) since two weeks, coming from OnePlus 5 which was my hardcore daily driver. After solving some issues with notifications and drawer style I'm very happy with it. Camera, display, charging, customize options, speed is really perfect compared to OnePlus.
Having a videocall over 45 min with turned on selfiecamera the phone gets warm - we had 35 degrees of Celsius yesterday in Germany ... Haven't played any game so far, so no experience with that. I'm getting also used to the missing notification badges on my home display and to its size/weight.
Battery performance improves day by day - after one day normal usage (weekend day: Reddit, YouTube, Spotify, WhatsApp, browsing, taking pictures) more than 50% capacity is left, therefore it would last about 2 days without recharging in my case.
Summary: I'm very happy with the purchase hoping that the x80 pro will last 5 years at least.

ZarW said:
Hi,
I've the vivo x80 pro (origin is, 512 gb, dim9000) since two weeks, coming from OnePlus 5 which was my hardcore daily driver. After solving some issues with notifications and drawer style I'm very happy with it. Camera, display, charging, customize options, speed is really perfect compared to OnePlus.
Having a videocall over 45 min with turned on selfiecamera the phone gets warm - we had 35 degrees of Celsius yesterday in Germany ... Haven't played any game so far, so no experience with that. I'm getting also used to the missing notification badges on my home display and to its size/weight.
Battery performance improves day by day - after one day normal usage (weekend day: Reddit, YouTube, Spotify, WhatsApp, browsing, taking pictures) more than 50% capacity is left, therefore it would last about 2 days without recharging in my case.
Summary: I'm very happy with the purchase hoping that the x80 pro will last 5 years at least.
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Hey, thank you so much for your reply. However, I am in India so I would probably be getting the snapdragon version. The dimensity version is either too expensive or too difficult to get where I live.
I wanted to know the above about the snapdragon version.

Hi
I've the vivo x80 pro (origin is, 512 gb, dim9000) since last week. I have ordered the Snapdragon version but i get the Dim 9000.
My daily driver was a redmi Note 10. The Vivo had some issues which i sorted out last weekend.
It was very warm here in Germany, 38 degrees, and I was busy the whole weekend with my new phone.
A lot has been tried, installed, adjusted and tested, of course the phone has also been charged several times.
This phone hasn't gotten warmer than the Redmi Note 10.
But with the quick charge it gets warm.
I ´am very happy this this phone and the performance an camera is a big step up from the old phone

Shawarma_thoum said:
Hey, thank you so much for your reply. However, I am in India so I would probably be getting the snapdragon version. The dimensity version is either too expensive or too difficult to get where I live.
I wanted to know the above about the snapdragon version.
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Depending on scenario there is not that big difference between snap and dim9000 - in my opinion, you will not notice a 2-3% difference in performance, battery life or heat. 2% based on 40 degrees of celsius is 0.8 degrees difference -> your hand will be not able to tell you if the phone is 40.0 or 40.8 degrees hot. Therefore, the difference between snap and dim9000 is really negligible when benchmarking normal day usage.
/edit: I've been watching youtube videos yesterday more than 1.5 hours, the phone was not getting too hot although we had crazy high temperatures in Southern Germany.

Wow, thank you so much for your comprehensive reply.
I will definitely take this into consideration.
However, I would also want input from a snapdragon user just for the peace of mind before I put all this money into purchasing this phone.

Just got the X80 Pro SD8G1 version and already got some nice updates as well as optinal updates(They call it Trial updates, though it acts like Beta).
On the first day, due to all the transferring I've done from mine legendary Mate 40 Pro, it got hot but not scorching hot.
The camera is SuperB as you've heard and seen thought the reviews, it's extremely versatile and the ISP is fast, yet again it did get hot but ever so slightly, nothing to worry about.
Battery is being tested so i don't have a conclusion yet, but it should be solid though probably nothing like iPhone 13 Pro Max or the Mate 20 X(best Android battery life EVER).
Speakers are very good but lacks some bass.
Overall performance are very solid and the charge speed is fast as hell.
Now, battery will get a hit over the year with heavy use and i'm unsure how this will unfold, but judging from my past you should not worry about it.
You'll have a blast with this phone, just wish it was bigger with bigger battery but well...

Derpling said:
Just got the X80 Pro SD8G1 version and already got some nice updates as well as optinal updates(They call it Trial updates, though it acts like Beta).
On the first day, due to all the transferring I've done from mine legendary Mate 40 Pro, it got hot but not scorching hot.
The camera is SuperB as you've heard and seen thought the reviews, it's extremely versatile and the ISP is fast, yet again it did get hot but ever so slightly, nothing to worry about.
Battery is being tested so i don't have a conclusion yet, but it should be solid though probably nothing like iPhone 13 Pro Max or the Mate 20 X(best Android battery life EVER).
Speakers are very good but lacks some bass.
Overall performance are very solid and the charge speed is fast as hell.
Now, battery will get a hit over the year with heavy use and i'm unsure how this will unfold, but judging from my past you should not worry about it.
You'll have a blast with this phone, just wish it was bigger with bigger battery but well...
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may I ask, Funtouch (global) or Origin OS (CN) version ?
thinking of selling my S22U for X80 Pro global, but would certainly like to hear some user feedback first because global version is very expensive in EU

Derpling said:
Just got the X80 Pro SD8G1 version and already got some nice updates as well as optinal updates(They call it Trial updates, though it acts like Beta).
On the first day, due to all the transferring I've done from mine legendary Mate 40 Pro, it got hot but not scorching hot.
The camera is SuperB as you've heard and seen thought the reviews, it's extremely versatile and the ISP is fast, yet again it did get hot but ever so slightly, nothing to worry about.
Battery is being tested so i don't have a conclusion yet, but it should be solid though probably nothing like iPhone 13 Pro Max or the Mate 20 X(best Android battery life EVER).
Speakers are very good but lacks some bass.
Overall performance are very solid and the charge speed is fast as hell.
Now, battery will get a hit over the year with heavy use and i'm unsure how this will unfold, but judging from my past you should not worry about it.
You'll have a blast with this phone, just wish it was bigger with bigger battery but well...
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is there any site where we can track optional updates? i have opted in for optional updates but havent got any so far.
whats your current sw version?

Derpling said:
Just got the X80 Pro SD8G1 version and already got some nice updates as well as optinal updates(They call it Trial updates, though it acts like Beta).
On the first day, due to all the transferring I've done from mine legendary Mate 40 Pro, it got hot but not scorching hot.
The camera is SuperB as you've heard and seen thought the reviews, it's extremely versatile and the ISP is fast, yet again it did get hot but ever so slightly, nothing to worry about.
Battery is being tested so i don't have a conclusion yet, but it should be solid though probably nothing like iPhone 13 Pro Max or the Mate 20 X(best Android battery life EVER).
Speakers are very good but lacks some bass.
Overall performance are very solid and the charge speed is fast as hell.
Now, battery will get a hit over the year with heavy use and i'm unsure how this will unfold, but judging from my past you should not worry about it.
You'll have a blast with this phone, just wish it was bigger with bigger battery but well...
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Derpling said:
Just got the X80 Pro SD8G1 version and already got some nice updates as well as optinal updates(They call it Trial updates, though it acts like Beta).
On the first day, due to all the transferring I've done from mine legendary Mate 40 Pro, it got hot but not scorching hot.
The camera is SuperB as you've heard and seen thought the reviews, it's extremely versatile and the ISP is fast, yet again it did get hot but ever so slightly, nothing to worry about.
Battery is being tested so i don't have a conclusion yet, but it should be solid though probably nothing like iPhone 13 Pro Max or the Mate 20 X(best Android battery life EVER).
Speakers are very good but lacks some bass.
Overall performance are very solid and the charge speed is fast as hell.
Now, battery will get a hit over the year with heavy use and i'm unsure how this will unfold, but judging from my past you should not worry about it.
You'll have a blast with this phone, just wish it was bigger with bigger battery but well...
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Wow, Thank you for your reply.
I am so glad to hear all these positive things about the phone.
However, I can't help but mention a review i was watching online where they used the camera on this phone for a while. Perhaps around 20+ minutes outdoors and it got super hot to the point where it was unable to perform.
Just wanted to see whether you've experienced anything like this using the camera?

tobias14 said:
may I ask, Funtouch (global) or Origin OS (CN) version ?
thinking of selling my S22U for X80 Pro global, but would certainly like to hear some user feedback first because global version is very expensive in EU
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Funtouch OS 12 and you can try FunTouch os13 if you want.
So far it's very smooth outside the stock gallery app which lags a bit, but that can be easily replaced.

Shawarma_thoum said:
Wow, Thank you for your reply.
I am so glad to hear all these positive things about the phone.
However, I can't help but mention a review i was watching online where they used the camera on this phone for a while. Perhaps around 20+ minutes outdoors and it got super hot to the point where it was unable to perform.
Just wanted to see whether you've experienced anything like this using the camera?
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I'll try it this week and report back but it's understandable.
That happened to me with mine Mate 9 and Galaxy devices, you should minimize the sun reflection on the phone as it heats it up massively, don't forget that black colour sucks heat more than any others.

bala_gamer said:
is there any site where we can track optional updates? i have opted in for optional updates but havent got any so far.
whats your current sw version?
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Not that i know but i'll seach for it.
SW version 12.0.12.5.W30.v000l1

Derpling said:
Funtouch OS 12 and you can try FunTouch os13 if you want.
So far it's very smooth outside the stock gallery app which lags a bit, but that can be easily replaced.
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thanks, much appreciated
I'm still on the fence whether to hit "buy now" on amazon or not

tobias14 said:
thanks, much appreciated
I'm still on the fence whether to hit "buy now" on amazon or not
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Well Vivo should release X80Pro Plus in July if rumors are to be believed.
You can always wait but it's kinda endless, for now i ordered the Vivo x80 pro to replace the legendary Mate 40 pro.
If they'll be a much better phone down the road, then i'll sell it.

Derpling said:
I'll try it this week and report back but it's understandable.
That happened to me with mine Mate 9 and Galaxy devices, you should minimize the sun reflection on the phone as it heats it up massively, don't forget that black colour sucks heat more than any others.
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Thank you. Will be waiting for your reply.

tobias14 said:
thanks, much appreciated
I'm still on the fence whether to hit "buy now" on amazon or not
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If you like a phone where the notifications are not working, you should definetly consider buying it, or maybe you want mine?
I got tired already, that no notifications and floating windows works... and this in a flagship phone...

xperia81 said:
If you like a phone where the notifications are not working, you should definetly consider buying it, or maybe you want mine?
I got tired already, that no notifications and floating windows works... and this in a flagship phone...
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I guess you have the China version with Origin OS?

tobias14 said:
I guess you have the China version with Origin OS?
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Of course, I bought it few weeks ago. There was no other version.

xperia81 said:
Of course, I bought it few weeks ago. There was no other version.
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Well, I definitively avoid phones with CN roms. Basic things like fully working Google apps, notifications, Android auto, 3rd party launchers etc are often problematic with these