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[Q] will note 10.1 2014 see Note 4 improvements?

This may come off as a silly question, but I haven't seen much in regard to whether or not the note tablet will see the improved features of Note 4. I'd like to think the tablet line up will see the new features with s-pen and whatnot but has anyone heard anything yet?
Thanks in advanced!

@evilpenguin123 its a good question but my guess would be no.
They need to differentiate the different devices so the features on Note 4 will probably be released on the next Note 10.1. Just as I dont expect them to improve the Note 3 features I wouldnt expect them to improve our tablets. Its so they make people want to upgrade.

No. The N2 didn't receive N3 improvements. The N10.1-12 didn't receive N10.1-14 improvements. And the N10.1-14 didn't get all the Pro improvements.

thats why samsung suck.

I have/had a good time with Samsung devices the past 3 years (sgs3 and note 10.1-14) but now it's time to move on. The note is still absolutely amazing for handwriting (I use it every day for work - I'm a teacher) but my next phone will be the Sony z3 compact and I really hope some other manufacturer will make a stylus note taking tablet in the next years. Samsung pretty much owns the market atm.
Their update process and software is just a mess and all over the place. There is soo much potential with Samsung. But it always feels like they put all their energy into one device and make something great but instead of improving upon that they scrap everything and make something totally different and forget about the older devices.
I wish apple would make android devices :silly:

i think developers will port it to our Note
but sadly we dont have much developers here :/

clouds5 said:
I have/had a good time with Samsung devices the past 3 years (sgs3 and note 10.1-14) but now it's time to move on.
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Here's my take and it's a bit long.
We've reached the point where each generational device update cycle is becoming less meaningful. The M7>M8, SGS4>SGS5, and now the N3>N4 are all evolutionary. It's no one's fault, smartphones and tablets perform certain functions and you reach a point where those functions can only be improved/enhanced so far; be it via h/w or s/w. I have a N3 which I gladly upgraded from an N2 for because of the move from 720P>1080P, much improved performance, a better form factor, and Samsung's latest s/w (EG: S Note). Looking at the N4 the QHD display is a waste (over 300ish PPI the human eye can't register additional detail) and it's larger and heavier than the N3 with the same size display. It's more powerful but the display's going to take its toll and truthfully, how powerful does a smartphone need to be? I could care less about a heart rate monitor, a metal surround vs. plastic, and "enhanced S Pen feel." I'd like OIS and the better camera but outside of that there's nothing really compelling.
Some of Samsung's newer app versions are worse than their predecessors. I'll give you an example. AT&T did something to their network that borked S Voice for N3 users. That means if you have a Gear its voice capabilities become useless. With some screwing around with the APN and using the SGS5 version of S Voice folks got it working again. The amount of functionality removed from S Voice in the SGS5 version to make it "cleaner and flatter" is staggering. Driving mode got stripped of half its features and the ability to use "Hi Galaxy" from anywhere in the device was removed. A security update Samsung pushed fixed older S Voice versions and I couldn't wait to go back. So don't assume "new" S Note, My Files, Scrapbook, et. al., are better just because they're "new."
In terms of upgraded s/w Samsung's failure to keep their apps updated across older devices is actually going to start to hurt them. The N3 and N10.1-14 are really close in terms of app compatibility and versioning across Samsung's proprietary apps (EG: S Note, My Files, Scrapbook). I don't want to get a N4 with new and different versions of the same apps I use on my N10.1-14. It would be a pain in the ass to bounce back and forth between them not to mention potential incompatibility (EG: Current S Note being incompatible with earlier versions). If you think about it, the N10.1-14 is Samsung's "last great tablet." The 4.4 s/w is solid as a rock, M-UX is causing performance issues on the Pro's and S' which we avoided, AMOLED sucks on whites battery wise making it a productivity user's nightmare, we have all the stock widgets (EG: Mail, S Planner) which got shoved in to M-UX for those that have it, and S-800/Exynos 5420 is powerful enough to support a 2,560 x 1,600 display.
So my next device isn't going to be a N4. It's going to be a SM-P605M from Brazil so I can use it with AT&T's LTE bands. Samsung will eventually release a N10.1-15. It'll most likely have a 4K display ( http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-Samsung-going-to-launch-a-4K-tablet-by-the-end-of-2014_id56929 ) which won't provide much improvement (the human eye being the lowest common denominator) but will suck tremendous amounts of battery and tax the enhanced CPU/GPU that it'll come with making it not much faster or even slower than the N10.1-14. If the N10.1-15 is AMOLED it's either going to gain a ton of weight accommodating a bigger battery or end up getting crappy battery life compared to the N10.1-14's LCD display. I'm guessing the N10.1-14 will get Android 5.0 but pretty much keep the current s/w outside the OS. Fine by me. That would be my preference knowing my N3 is never going to see the N4's improvements; the latter most likely being a good thing.
So as someone who rode the upgrade train with every generation of phone or tablet I'm done. If the N10.1-15 turns out to be compelling and and has the same Samsung s/w as the N4 maybe I'll get both. But that's a big maybe and I'm in no rush. For the first time I'm actually happy and comfortable exactly where I am.

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Here's my take and it's a bit long
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So as someone who rode the upgrade train with every generation of phone or tablet I'm done. If the N10.1-15 turns out to be compelling and and has the same Samsung s/w as the N4 maybe I'll get both. But that's a big maybe and I'm in no rush. For the first time I'm actually happy and comfortable exactly where I am.
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I completely agree with you. As I said Samsung doesn't seem to try and improve upon things they try to sell as many devices as possible every year. And they feel the best way to do that is by pushing as many "new" things in newer models as possible.
Every year the new galaxy HAS to be bigger. The s3 was still usable with one (big) hand in most situations but the s4 and s5 had to be bigger. That's their logic: it has to be bigger faster and more pixels every year. All the numbers have to be bigger on the spec sheet. There aren't any top smartphones for single hand use anymore (except sony z3 compact) and I personally don't know anybody that really wants such big devices. And then they do they go for the note anyway! Literally everyone I know has either a "mini" version from samsung/htc/sony, the iPhone or a note 2/3.
And yeah smartphones are "figured out". We know exactly what we can do with them and where the limits are, which have been reached. Now they need to improve battery life and software and usability. Simple specs won't cut it anymore. Another reason why I go for Sony with my next device.
In terms of tablets, again they need to be as light as possible and as comfortable to carry and use on the go as they can get. I'm actually fine with the note 10.1-2014. I have very little to complain except the way Samsung handles upgrades and software Dev.
It's why i said i want an iPhone with android. I don't like IOS but they have great hardware and they usually use their brain when building their devices instead of just making all the numbers bigger for the specs sheet.

Overall speed

Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy A51 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy A51 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy A51 with Feb 2020 Patch, performance is very sluggish and slow compared to other 6gb ram devices that I used last year, you can "Feel" the delay of animation from fingerprint, opening, and closing apps, I am totally disappointed with the performance of this device, hopefully Samsung can find a way to optimize its software with its hardware capability.

It's a little all over the place for me, but ultimately disappointing. I don't know if it's a problem with my device, but it seems like my phone just ****s the bed during random intervals. There are times when I'll be using my phone and it will be surprisingly smooth considering the hardware, and other times where the animations feel very choppy and unpleasant. I've been running a lot of AnTuTu benchmarks, and I've got scores up to 180,000 when it's doing good, and down to almost 130,000 when ****s going on. And that's not just AnTuTu, these are differences I can feel in normal operations. So it's weird. I'm not sure if it's some kind of hardware bug or I've got some background process eating away performance that I'm unaware of, or something else. It's a real shame, because there's a lot I love about this phone.
But that's my experience. For the record, I have the Latin American variant with 4gb of ram. I still have yet to get any updates on it. It seems I'm stuck with the December security patch (I'm not sure what's up with that).

Alfalfalaffa said:
It's a little all over the place for me, but ultimately disappointing. I don't know if it's a problem with my device, but it seems like my phone just ****s the bed during random intervals. There are times when I'll be using my phone and it will be surprisingly smooth considering the hardware, and other times where the animations feel very choppy and unpleasant. I've been running a lot of AnTuTu benchmarks, and I've got scores up to 180,000 when it's doing good, and down to almost 130,000 when ****s going on. And that's not just AnTuTu, these are differences I can feel in normal operations. So it's weird. I'm not sure if it's some kind of hardware bug or I've got some background process eating away performance that I'm unaware of, or something else. It's a real shame, because there's a lot I love about this phone.
But that's my experience. For the record, I have the Latin American variant with 4gb of ram. I still have yet to get any updates on it. It seems I'm stuck with the December security patch (I'm not sure what's up with that).
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Think I am having a similar experience, much choppier then I would have expected. Hangs a lot when opening or switching apps. Battery life disappointing as well. I am also on December security patch.

Takes a second for home screen to refresh and load folders etc when going from an app to the home screen, not ideal.

Slow performance
Samsung A51 became slower after the new updates..

Good my variant is the SM-A515F (Panama), I am in with the firmware A515FXXU3ATC5 with security 2020-03-13. It is super fast and very stable, it does not have to be root, just apply disinfestation of garbage apk, through the ADB method, and the phone has shown very good behavior, getting 34 to 36 hours of battery, and in games this Super fast. I recommend you to update your official bases and remove garbage apk, with the ADB method.

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Good my variant is the SM-A515F (Panama), I am in with the firmware A515FXXU3ATC5 with security 2020-03-13. It is super fast and very stable, it does not have to be root, just apply disinfestation of garbage apk, through the ADB method, and the phone has shown very good behavior, getting 34 to 36 hours of battery, and in games this Super fast. I recommend you to update your official bases and remove garbage apk, with the ADB method.
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Hello,
Good.
What is the packages to uninstal ?
Thanks you

I wanted to chime in here. I just got this device via Sprint so US model not the international one. I was a bit fearful coming from a pixel 4 based on the performance comments. I like plastic phones that have good specs and can be replaced if I drop it and crack the screen (refuse to use cases).
My experience with performance has been pleasantly surprising. Is it as fast as my pixel 4 was, heck no but for day to day use do i really notice enough that makes me regret the switch? Nope, not one bit. Most are probably aware but there is a good YouTube guide to speed this device up. A lot of it is common knowledge via Developer options but some of the other tips are good ones to apply if you aren't familiar with Samsung phones specifically.
How to enable Beast Mode on Galaxy A51: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0Lkax0QSs&t=331s
Now if we can get a good ADB bloatware removal guide for this device we should see even further improvements.

Using the debloat guide for the A50 works just fine. The phone looks and works great for me and it's the 4GB version. Fingerprint unlock also works reasonably well and reliably after applying the tips listed on these pages.

It's pretty bad, yeah. My Nokia 7 Plus is faster and a better phone.

Seconded, trick is to remove all the bloatware
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Good my variant is the SM-A515F (Panama), I am in with the firmware A515FXXU3ATC5 with security 2020-03-13. It is super fast and very stable, it does not have to be root, just apply disinfestation of garbage apk, through the ADB method, and the phone has shown very good behavior, getting 34 to 36 hours of battery, and in games this Super fast. I recommend you to update your official bases and remove garbage apk, with the ADB method.
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I'll second this. Once I removed all of the bloatware (or technically, disabled, via the well known ADB method) and changed launchers (Lawnchair), this device runs like a dream. Hell, Asphalt plays w/o issue and is smooth and fast.
My only gripe so far is that I have been unable to find a working Gcam, the camera software leaves much to be desired.

dosangst said:
I'll second this. Once I removed all of the bloatware (or technically, disabled, via the well known APK method) and changed launchers (Lawnchair), this device runs like a dream. Hell, Asphalt plays w/o issue and is smooth and fast.
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Hello,
I desabled some apk.
Do you have a list of the apk you desabled ?
Thanks

Why is turning the screen horizontally or vertically so slow? I've never had a phone where it takes 3 seconds for the screen to rotate after I turn my phone until a51.

Wikhatib said:
It's pretty bad, yeah. My Nokia 7 Plus is faster and a better phone.
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I was considering a galaxy a51 as replacement for my nokia 7 plus, because of its infamous hardware issue are starting to bother me (display brightness, loose usb port).
I take it from your comment this phone isn't a good replacement

had it for a little over a week now, not a heavy user but moderate (mostly taking photos or using social media).
It's not bad, ofc it can't be compared to a flagship, but for simple daily tasks it's more than enough at this point
opening the camera takes quite long sometimes and apps tend to take a second or two to start, but then they're pretty fast and snappy
paid 280 € for it and that seems absolutely reasonable to me

Shizuwi said:
I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy A51 with Feb 2020 Patch, performance is very sluggish and slow compared to other 6gb ram devices that I used last year, you can "Feel" the delay of animation from fingerprint, opening, and closing apps, I am totally disappointed with the performance of this device, hopefully Samsung can find a way to optimize its software with its hardware capability.
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The cure for lag is simple, I've used it on every Samsung device since the S2:
Uninstall or disable all the bloatware you can. Install another launcher (I use Nova) - set all animations to the fastest.
For good measure, disable all animations in settings -> developer options.
Lag gone.
CAVEAT I don't do gaming (life is too short) so can't comment on that.

Shizuwi said:
I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy A51 with Feb 2020 Patch, performance is very sluggish and slow compared to other 6gb ram devices that I used last year, you can "Feel" the delay of animation from fingerprint, opening, and closing apps, I am totally disappointed with the performance of this device, hopefully Samsung can find a way to optimize its software with its hardware capability.
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Probably due the low end processor Samsung put on it, sadly it has its limits

I've setup several A51's for people and it is hands down the slowest budget phone I've used in awhile. If you have Verizon, I strongly recommend the A51 5G UW or the S20 FE instead. The Snapdragon 765G and 865 are much faster and seem more stable. Given that the 5G models are also affordable, I cannot recommend the regular A51 to anyone.

Guyinlaca said:
I've setup several A51's for people and it is hands down the slowest budget phone I've used in awhile. If you have Verizon, I strongly recommend the A51 5G UW or the S20 FE instead. The Snapdragon 765G and 865 are much faster and seem more stable. Given that the 5G models are also affordable, I cannot recommend the regular A51 to anyone.
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Yes, perhaps. But...My wife and I both have the A51 and I have recommended it to my brother. He and his wife now have the A51. None of the 4 of us play games, and we all are between 70 and 80 years old. For us, it's the best phone we've ever had and I sold my S8 to buy the A51. At my age, the S8 was just too small and had a good but limited Camera. The A51 is perfect for all our needs.
It's a great phone for the $279 we each paid IF you don't do any heavy gaming. It's plenty fast enough for us old folks.
OldBob

60hz/120hz

Why is this on my note 10+ in settings and does it work

This has been discussed before, No, it doesn't do anything on our phone...
Just a placebo effect...
Lazy coding by Samsung as it was brought over from the S20 series where it does do something, hence it is "hidden" in our firmware...
But feel free to try it out....

ultramag69 said:
This has been discussed before, No, it doesn't do anything on our phone...
Just a placebo effect...
Lazy coding by Samsung as it was brought over from the S20 series where it does do something, hence it is "hidden" in our firmware...
But feel free to try it out....
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Sad but true. It's a cruel joke from Samsung, a tease.
Samsung could have made the Note 10+ forward compatible for the variable refresh rates seen on their new Note 20 Ultra.
That would have been the customer friendly thing to do. Denon's been doing that for over a decade with their flagship receivers; hardware and software upgrades.
Samsung may customization friendly but it's far from consumer friendly... this coming from the world's leading OLED manufacturer.
Really?
Why reward Samsung by upgrading to the expensive Note 20 U for variable display rates when the also very expensive Note 10+ should have been software upgradable?
Lame Samsung.

yeah as said it's just code left locked out in the back end of the firmware from being ported from devices with the option for it.
it's fairly common for stuff like this to be left in the code but just blanked from view as it is often easier than totally removing the code.

I was just snooping around trying to see if I can find ims settings to see if the video chat icon would appear on my contact again but its not there and I found the this idk why samsung disabled that icon

yeah it's likely the hardware in the Note 10+ can't support the 120hz as it's not as simple as just software, LCD and such prior was at the point it could do more than the developer set it for, but OLED even from Samsung is still in its infancy compared to LCD panels, so it is highly likely that the hardware is limited and stopping it from working. also likely why the 120hz only works with 1080 on the devices that can use it.

How Old is youre firmware ?

null0seven said:
How Old is youre firmware ?
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It's on the latest firmware

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the option appeared with oneUI 2.1 hidden away in the back end because it was ported from the S20 down to the 10 series and rather than remove the code entirely they just hid away the option as it did nothing.

ultramag69 said:
This has been discussed before, No, it doesn't do anything on our phone...
Just a placebo effect...
Lazy coding by Samsung as it was brought over from the S20 series where it does do something, hence it is "hidden" in our firmware...
But feel free to try it out....
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yeah it's likely the hardware in the Note 10+ can't support the 120hz as it's not as simple as just software, LCD and such prior was at the point it could do more than the developer set it for, but OLED even from Samsung is still in its infancy compared to LCD panels, so it is highly likely that the hardware is limited and stopping it from working. also likely why the 120hz only works with 1080 on the devices that can use it.
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The Note 10 hardware can't support a refresh higher than 60hz. Samsung could have hardware supported it if they had choose too*.
It been a righteous gesture...
In the future because of the bluetooth chipset fail on the Note 10+ I will scrutinize future purchases from Samsung much more closely.
Samsung and/or their carrier partners also have a history of invalid spec claims in the past with audio specs.
Sucks spending big bucks when Samsung skimped less than a buck or two per unit for 2* available leading edge chipsets.
Not what you expect on Samsung flagship product.
Many reviewers stated that this Note was not targeted for performance users as it had been in the past. The memory certainly is but not the display refresh rate or bt.
Caveat emptor...
*It's possible they were forced to use the ones they did because of the hardware platform they were using.
No other phone has 12gb RAM and 1.5 tb storage capacity of the Note 10+ with 120 hz refresh from that design cycle that I'm aware of.

General Disappointment the Pixel 6

Well after being excited to get the Pixel 6 Pro with all the hype of best pixel phone in years, i have returned the phone after finding it disappointing. Probably the phone i have been most disappointed with ever, So i have gone back to my Huawei P30 Pro
main issues are battery life, after finding the phone struggling to get through a day on a charge, after googling and finding turning off the 5g and 120hz display improves battery life. WHAT the main features of the phone drain the battery too much, battery life on P30 is 2 days for me constantly (i know peoples usage will vary), but after Lumia phones and Huawei it was like going back to Iphone 3 days barely getting 24hrs on a charge.
also the UI is terrible, how is this an improvement the notification area with the huge tiles take up so much room that you have to scroll to the right to see most of the shortcuts etc. P30 is much more intuitive and fewer steps to do the same action
The Google search bar/ assistant and clock can't be moved or resized so much for customising android, none of these restrictions on P30
Colour theming what a joke to the point of being pointless couldn't pick the colour i wanted and the choice of 4 colour LOL, P30 has a huge colour theming section and is easy pick what colour you want and away to go
You will need a case for the phone it will literally slide off everything, i know a lot pf people fit cases but you wont have any choice with the Pixel 6 or it'll end up in broke
I would go as far to say EMUI 4 was better than android 12 on the Pixel 6, only good point was the camera

Only thing I'd agree with is that Huawei makes some of the best phones and I wish they were sold for US carriers. As for this phone, it's getting better every day for me. Of course there are some annoyances here and there but battery life isn't bad for me. I still have mine on 5g and 120hz and getting 8ish hour SOT with full day use. Mostly Twitter, Reddit and cryptocurrency apps and some YouTube music. The UI I feel takes some learning and adjusting to get used to.

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Only thing I'd agree with is that Huawei makes some of the best phones and I wish they were sold for US carriers. As for this phone, it's getting better every day for me. Of course there are some annoyances here and there but battery life isn't bad for me. I still have mine on 5g and 120hz and getting 8ish hour SOT with full day use. Mostly Twitter, Reddit and cryptocurrency apps and some YouTube music. The UI I feel takes some learning and adjusting to get used to.
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Kinda hard to trust a device made literally by the espionage wing of a hostile foreign country...

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Kinda hard to trust a device made literally by the espionage wing of a hostile foreign country...
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Not saying I don't get that. I just really miss Huawei phones.

Podster16 said:
Well after being excited to get the Pixel 6 Pro with all the hype of best pixel phone in years, i have returned the phone after finding it disappointing. Probably the phone i have been most disappointed with ever, So i have gone back to my Huawei P30 Pro
main issues are battery life, after finding the phone struggling to get through a day on a charge, after googling and finding turning off the 5g and 120hz display improves battery life. WHAT the main features of the phone drain the battery too much, battery life on P30 is 2 days for me constantly (i know peoples usage will vary), but after Lumia phones and Huawei it was like going back to Iphone 3 days barely getting 24hrs on a charge.
also the UI is terrible, how is this an improvement the notification area with the huge tiles take up so much room that you have to scroll to the right to see most of the shortcuts etc. P30 is much more intuitive and fewer steps to do the same action
The Google search bar/ assistant and clock can't be moved or resized so much for customising android, none of these restrictions on P30
Colour theming what a joke to the point of being pointless couldn't pick the colour i wanted and the choice of 4 colour LOL, P30 has a huge colour theming section and is easy pick what colour you want and away to go
You will need a case for the phone it will literally slide off everything, i know a lot pf people fit cases but you wont have any choice with the Pixel 6 or it'll end up in broke
I would go as far to say EMUI 4 was better than android 12 on the Pixel 6, only good point was the camera
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You really should have waited a bit to try a pure aosp build. I found the google [bloat|spy]ware to be bad enough that I couldn't put my sim card in it because it was completely unusable. Running pure aosp built from source and its like a dream.
Under very heavy use since about 7am this morning (its now after 3), I'm still over 70% battery, including leaving 120hz enabled. Not 5g though, my carrier only has LTE for now.
Some of your complaints don't really matter. The quick settings pane for example is a feature of android 12, not the google build, so no matter who sells you the phone, you'll have that eventually anyway.

96carboard said:
Kinda hard to trust a device made literally by the espionage wing of a hostile foreign country...
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hostile wing of USA or China take your pick

nighthawk626 said:
Only thing I'd agree with is that Huawei makes some of the best phones and I wish they were sold for US carriers. As for this phone, it's getting better every day for me. Of course there are some annoyances here and there but battery life isn't bad for me. I still have mine on 5g and 120hz and getting 8ish hour SOT with full day use. Mostly Twitter, Reddit and cryptocurrency apps and some YouTube music. The UI I feel takes some learning and adjusting to get used to.
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i had no where near that battery time, fully charged at 9:00am out on the mtb for 6 hrs with pics on the way normal use after that by 8:00 pm 15%
The UI is just not as intuitive, take restricting apps working in the background pixel you have to go to each app individually, P30 the settings for all apps are on one page, just simpler

2021 has been a mediocre year at best for smartphones. Android 11 and 12 forced cpu cycle eating scooped storage sucks.
After the N20U Samsung released nothing I like and their last really great flagship is the N10+ running on Q.
2021, issues with variable rate displays, 5G and scoped storage galore. The usual Samsung Fold display delamination issues. For flagship SD card support you either got to use older Samsung flagships or go Chinese.
The Pixel Pro seems to numerous rude surprises. OK, maybe it's not horrible but not a flagship level device either... it's ok at best. It's user interface is subpar as usual with no substantial speed advantage to show for it. Why not just get an Apple rather than a Pixel at this rate?
I doubt even Samsung can modify Android 11/12 enough to make it user friendly; Pixel barely tried to fix their nightmare OS.
Small wonder Pixel as such a dismal market share... they earned it.

blackhawk said:
2021 has been a mediocre year at best for smartphones. Android 11 and 12 forced cpu cycle eating scooped storage sucks.
After the N20U Samsung released nothing I like and their last really great flagship is the N10+ running on Q.
2021, issues with variable rate displays, 5G and scoped storage galore. The usual Samsung Fold display delamination issues. For flagship SD card support you either got to use older Samsung flagships or go Chinese.
The Pixel Pro seems to numerous rude surprises. OK, maybe it's not horrible but not a flagship level device either... it's ok at best. It's user interface is subpar as usual with no substantial speed advantage to show for it. Why not just get an Apple rather than a Pixel at this rate?
I doubt even Samsung can modify Android 11/12 enough to make it user friendly; Pixel barely tried to fix their nightmare OS.
Small wonder Pixel as such a dismal market share... they earned it.
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Note 9 owner
Everyone knows the 10 lineup was literally a downgrade in all the ways literally a minor cpu bump and a 3rd camera.
You lost iris scanner, spo2 ,heart rate , headphone jack and sd card slot on certain models.
It was also the mark of samsung making like 4 3/4 different models of phone which had worse hard ware than previous versions unless you get the top top end.
For example the fact screens on the note10 itself are worse than 9.
It literally started the mark of samsung killing off the note line with the making it a glorified Samsung Galaxy with a pen in which case then note 20ultra is worse that the galaxy 20 ultra in a lot of ways.
It's not even ahead of software updates since the note 10 lite uses the same chipset as the s9/n9 so it's easily ported to them.
So yeah the fact you said that means you literally have no clue on the state of it.
Also you think Samsung will simplify it gl they literally need to make a new ui every year because they can't do it right it's improving but still , if you don't like stock android get different launcher.
At least we know we going to get software support for a long time and direct also support

Phone is Awesome! Best purchase ever!

blackhawk said:
2021 has been a mediocre year at best for smartphones. Android 11 and 12 forced cpu cycle eating scooped storage sucks.
After the N20U Samsung released nothing I like and their last really great flagship is the N10+ running on Q.
2021, issues with variable rate displays, 5G and scoped storage galore. The usual Samsung Fold display delamination issues. For flagship SD card support you either got to use older Samsung flagships or go Chinese.
The Pixel Pro seems to numerous rude surprises. OK, maybe it's not horrible but not a flagship level device either... it's ok at best. It's user interface is subpar as usual with no substantial speed advantage to show for it. Why not just get an Apple rather than a Pixel at this rate?
I doubt even Samsung can modify Android 11/12 enough to make it user friendly; Pixel barely tried to fix their nightmare OS.
Small wonder Pixel as such a dismal market share... they earned it.
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As you stated in so many posts you have 2 Note 10's so I can only assume that your opinion is pure speculation! Did a clean install and don't have any issues at all. When the Note 20 Ultra first came a lot of members were having issues with it to because of importing data and apps from an old phone, once they did a FDR all the problems magically disappeared! Just saying...........................

ggrant3876 said:
As you stated in so many posts you have 2 Note 10's so I can only assume that your opinion is pure speculation! Did a clean install and don't have any issues at all. When the Note 20 Ultra first came a lot of members were having issues with it to because of importing data and apps from an old phone, once they did a FDR all the problems magically disappeared! Just saying...........................
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I read a lot. The Pixel UI... well each to his own is the best I can say.
The N20U has display issues caused by the variable frequency, the N10+ color rendering exceeds the N20U, S21U and likely the P6pro.
I have extremely good color perception, top 1% so I find color aberrations annoying with displays. The 10+ is near spot on even after two years of heavy usage. I'll do a color test between the new and old one to see how tight the calibration is just for kicks sometime.
The N20U is running on R, enough said.
Some of both have 5G, not worth the increased battery usage. This problem persists in most of the newest devices. Variable rate displays, 5G and especially scooped storage are not mature technologies and continue to underperform.
Stats with pics... or it never happened.
Here's what a stock N10+ Snapdragon/P variant did just today with a 4300mAh battery. About one hour is watching utube vids, the rest browsing. The N10+ isn't even breaking a sweat...

The entire pre-order mess has soured my excitement for the phone. Google showed early November delivery, now shows mid January. It seems to cut costs, Google went with outdated and inferior parts and made some strange sacrifices. Samsung always gives it's competitors last year's display tech. Android 12 feels largely incomplete, much like hipster aesthetics were put before functional changes. I have been excited to get a flagship that has a clean base, can be rooted and built upon, but if the hardware is subpar, it may not be worth it.
With Samsung phones, I've debloated and modded almost every element to my liking without even needing root. Custom themes, custom fonts, custom clock styles and placement, always on display scheduling, ability to hide the navigation bar, and endless GoodLock modules to fine tune the UI are all things stock Android 12 can't do. That said, it's always bugged me that Samsung phones have roughly 300 preloaded system apps, where stock Android has about 100. I'm debating whether to cancel the P6P preorder and wait for the S22 Ultra.

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The entire pre-order mess has soured my excitement for the phone. Google showed early November delivery, now shows mid January. It seems to cut costs, Google went with outdated and inferior parts, and made sacrifices to keep costs down. Samsung always gives it's competitors last year's display tech. Android 12 feels largely incomplete, much like hipster aesthetics were put before functional changes. I have been excited to get a flagship that has a clean base, can be rooted and built upon, but if the hardware is subpar, it may not be worth it.
With Samsung phones, I've debloated and modded almost every element to my liking without even needing root. Custom themes, custom fonts, custom clock styles and placement, always on display scheduling, ability to hide the navigation bar, and endless GoodLock modules to fine tune the UI are all things stock Android 12 can't do. That said, it's always bugged me that Samsung phones have roughly 300 preloaded system apps, where stock Android has about 100. I'm debating whether to cancel the P6P preorder and wait for the S22 Ultra.
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I was comparing my 2 N10+'s, one running on 9, the other 10. The 10 variant has dozens of small apks that show on the package disabler, but they're not bloatware. Samsung deliberately moded Android 10 to make it more user friendly and functional. It runs very well.
The S21 isn't anything I want but it shreds the P6pro.
However both are having display issues. I would at least wait for the dust to settle...
Hold out until Samsung gets their act together again if you can... it may take a year or two. Latter 2022 or perhaps 2023. I wouldn't hold my breath... it may take until 2024 to arise from the ashes of mediocre and lack of features.

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I'm debating whether to cancel the P6P preorder and wait for the S22 Ultra.
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Keep in mind you can't unlock the bootloader on recent Samsung phones without breaking the camera completely. I had nothing against them until now but this is major BS on their part.

Ghisy said:
Keep in mind you can't unlock the bootloader on recent Samsung phones without breaking the camera completely. I had nothing against them until now but this is major BS on their part.
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To be fair, on a Samsung, one doesn't really need root. So much debloating can be done using ADB. Many developers have found ways to utilize Samsung's theme engine and font engine to customize the phone however one prefers. I installed an AOSP theme using Hex Installer that made the UI look 95% stock.

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To be fair, on a Samsung, one doesn't really need root. So much debloating can be done using ADB. Many developers have found ways to utilize Samsung's theme engine and font engine to customize the phone however one prefers. I installed an AOSP theme using Hex Installer that made the UI look 95% stock.
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I'm running 2 stock N10+'s using Samsung Galaxy mods, a package disabler, a firewall and heavily optimizing them.
That's all you need... they run great and look/function exactly how I want them too.
No plain Janes here... some assembly required.

Samsung phones are pus*y phones, pardon my language. If you can't unlock the bootloader have any kind of development opportunities, you're just a sheep. Last Samsung phones I had were the Galaxy Nexus and the Note 2. Seems like a lot of Samsung Fanboys here. I get it because we're here to talk about phones, but this is an XDA Development site - Development. It's all about development. So move forth and go forward with your beautiful Sammy phones and enjoy those locked bootloaders!

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Samsung phones are pus*y phones, pardon my language. If you can't unlock the bootloader have any kind of development opportunities, you're just a sheep. Last Samsung phones I had were the Galaxy Nexus and the Note 2. Seems like a lot of Samsung Fanboys here. I get it because we're here to talk about phones, but this is an XDA Development site - Development. It's all about development. So move forth and go forward with your beautiful Sammy phones and enjoy those locked bootloaders!
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darbylonia said:
Samsung phones are pus*y phones, pardon my language. If you can't unlock the bootloader have any kind of development opportunities, you're just a sheep. Last Samsung phones I had were the Galaxy Nexus and the Note 2. Seems like a lot of Samsung Fanboys here. I get it because we're here to talk about phones, but this is an XDA Development site - Development. It's all about development. So move forth and go forward with your beautiful Sammy phones and enjoy those locked bootloaders!
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Sorry, I had two glasses of wine.

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Sorry, I had two glasses of wine.
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Good thing it wasn't WT 101
Stability, functionality, speed and good battery life are all that matters. This "pu$$y" phone in my hand right now has all four, it's current load is over 1.5 years old with minimum maintenance/zero updates.
Yeah, I really hate it...

Question Newest Android and UI update?

My phone is on the way but I'm reading now that with newest updates people are having troubles with battery and SOT and some oneUI bugs. Should I maybe cancel it and get something else?
Plus I read some reports on phone dropping apps in background ,everything slowed down after the latest update

Hey, I have the phone. the phone came with android 12 and now has android 13. Samsung has improved the updates a lot.
I haven't seen the reports u mention but I must say the last update, maybe consumes more battery (idk because I am a heavy user and I charge my phone everyday and I was doing that also before this update), but man the performance is so much better now. Android 13 and One UI5 improve the fluidity a lot. And now everything is much more cohesive.
U said u were thinking about cancelling the order, idk how much you spent but I'd say the closest thing is the pixel 6a which in Sweden now is selling for 270€ which is a steal, but it doesn't have 120hz so u decide. The 120hz is reeeeally nice but it is true One UI is still behind by a lot compared to Pixel.
Now I also come from a Mi 11 Lite and I must say One UI although the interface might not be as flashy is so much better, the updates are a lot faster, is more fluid and when the phone works at 60hz (sometimes to save battery) it feels so much better because it still feels responsive.
Now the camera is nice, I cannot tell you, but the Pixel 6a beats literally phones that are 1300€ so yeah.
Overall I actually recommend this phone a lot but it depends on what u value.

After I ordered I realized it doesn't have much support here on XDA due to Samsung not making it easy to do so and I'd like a phone that has a lot of support here.
I payed mine 256 gb version 270 euros new but it's been a long wait . Pixels look great to me cause of stock Android but no way I can get it at that price.
I'm glad to hear performance didn't drop, thanks for the info.
When lurking a little around here seems like battery life took a hit with the new updates :
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rjuez00 said:
Hey, I have the phone. the phone came with android 12 and now has android 13. Samsung has improved the updates a lot.
I haven't seen the reports u mention but I must say the last update, maybe consumes more battery (idk because I am a heavy user and I charge my phone everyday and I was doing that also before this update), but man the performance is so much better now. Android 13 and One UI5 improve the fluidity a lot. And now everything is much more cohesive.
U said u were thinking about cancelling the order, idk how much you spent but I'd say the closest thing is the pixel 6a which in Sweden now is selling for 270€ which is a steal, but it doesn't have 120hz so u decide. The 120hz is reeeeally nice but it is true One UI is still behind by a lot compared to Pixel.
Now I also come from a Mi 11 Lite and I must say One UI although the interface might not be as flashy is so much better, the updates are a lot faster, is more fluid and when the phone works at 60hz (sometimes to save battery) it feels so much better because it still feels responsive.
Now the camera is nice, I cannot tell you, but the Pixel 6a beats literally phones that are 1300€ so yeah.
Overall I actually recommend this phone a lot but it depends on what u value.
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