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XDA policy towards registration and commerce?

Dear moderators,
As a daily user of these fora I'm confronted with a disturbing inconsistency in your rules and how they are applied.
You have several that intend to prohibit outright selling of ones product. XDA wants to be as a-commercial as possible.
Alas some rules -like rule 11- focus on a form instead of intent. The wish of a cook or developer to know his/her users differs quite a lot from the wish to obtain money from them.
One could argue that from an administrators point of view a registration procedure is easier to spot so that the XDA house can be kept clean. But then I would argue that the phrases "free version" and "paid version" are as easily spotted. If you want you can search your fora right now and you'd be surprised how many applications whose latest version is no longer free are actively being advertised. Or maybe you won't be surprised, but I was.
I have been a moderator for many years on many fora. I sympathise and I'm perfectly familiar with the need for rules to enable and optimise the moderators job.
Alas, I'm also perfectly familiar the fact that those rules don't allways fit.
Rule 11 doesn't fit. There are better ways to safeguard your intention.
respectfully,
Willing to help, but currently disappointed about what you did to laurentius26.

Hello and thank you for your post.
We cannot comment on individual cases; however XDA's rules are there to ensure that we have a framework to work from that everyone understands. Also individuals sign up to these rules when they join the site ie they accept the rules and agree to abide by them. As in real life, no one is above the law/no one is above the rules.
In terms of items being out there on the fora that might violate our rules, let's look at the reality of the situation: we have over 2 million users and, last time I looked, over half a million threads. No matter how big a moderating team and no matter how active we are we cannot get to every violation. We do rely on responsible members of the community to report breaches of the rules to us so we can act on them.
We look forward to you doing your part to ensure that the moderating team is made aware of breaches of the rules as and when you come across them.
WB (XDA Moderating Team)

HorstDCC said:
Dear moderators,
As a daily user of these fora I'm confronted with a disturbing inconsistency in your rules and how they are applied.
You have several that intend to prohibit outright selling of ones product. XDA wants to be as a-commercial as possible.
Alas some rules -like rule 11- focus on a form instead of intent. The wish of a cook or developer to know his/her users differs quite a lot from the wish to obtain money from them.
One could argue that from an administrators point of view a registration procedure is easier to spot so that the XDA house can be kept clean. But then I would argue that the phrases "free version" and "paid version" are as easily spotted. If you want you can search your fora right now and you'd be surprised how many applications whose latest version is no longer free are actively being advertised. Or maybe you won't be surprised, but I was.
I have been a moderator for many years on many fora. I sympathise and I'm perfectly familiar with the need for rules to enable and optimise the moderators job.
Alas, I'm also perfectly familiar the fact that those rules don't allways fit.
Rule 11 doesn't fit. There are better ways to safeguard your intention.
respectfully,
Willing to help, but currently disappointed about what you did to laurentius26.
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Thank you for your post, and you make perfectly valid arguments but let me ask you this: just as you pointed out the fact that some apps where free but are now paid, what prevents an outside source to go down the same road? Certainly not our rules, we have no power outside of xda. I fail to understand the need to require a registration to get something that has been free on xda forever (no registration required). Roms can easily be uploaded to sharing services (RS, Megaupload, etc)... I understand the convenience of having all your work in a single place, but again... why require registration?

Time for a MP mod?

Lately we have seen many users been scammed over here,, and with the lack of stickies its really difficult to know if the trader was bad or good for scams( had that recently where a member had scammed another member, and then one day he PM'd me asking to trade, but i was aware of it, but others may not be.) no ppl are getting banned who cheat on this forum. We need a mod who has traded before and just for this section, i dont think its hard to have one mod here who can delete threads, ban users who misuse the MP, make stickies on threads which have disputes, he can also act as a middle man if the User's chooses to. if you support me along this road, then please reply so we can have one

I agree. I've done a couple trades both on Hofo and Xda and I feel at times it is really nice to be able to trade, but often worried if the deal will go bad or not. It'd be nice to be able to know if the other person is reputible and if I was talking to another scammer.
It'd be nice to have some sort of system to prevent all the inconsistancy of having shady sellers.

Cheeze[iT] said:
I agree. I've done a couple trades both on Hofo and Xda and I feel at times it is really nice to be able to trade, but often worried if the deal will go bad or not. It'd be nice to be able to know if the other person is reputible and if I was talking to another scammer.
It'd be nice to have some sort of system to prevent all the inconsistancy of having shady sellers.
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yeah we need it, he could also verify the IP address is not of a scammer or near by.

I agree aswell although I've only done two trades here both of which wer successful there's always a bad apple out there ready to scam some unfortunate person and I personally think we should be doing everything we can to prevent it
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it wont happen, there is no reason for a 3rd party, or a member of xda community to take on that role, and then possibly be at fault.
ie.
why complicate it more than it needs to be.
A feedback system may work, but never a 3rd party.
IMHO.
37 transactions and counting, xda only.
killster

it would be great ive wanted to offer on sum trades just have been kinda checking things out to see who is legit because we know everyone is not trust worthy

I think a Feedback system will be more helpful than moderators. Having feedback and mod will be even better.

Ya we need feedback, it will make checking someones transaction history very easy.

On my Suzuki Hayabusa forum you must have 50 posts to sell something - this is easily done with a simple vbulletin mod. The mod makes it possible for someone with less than 50 posts to browse and post in a thread in the "for sale" forums, but impossible to start a thread. I know you might think it's easy for someone to signup and post 50 times, but members notice that pretty damn quick - and we ban anyone who tries. We also have iTrader (another vbulletin mod) and once a sale is completed one of my Admins will post and ask the buyer and seller to post feedback.
The fact that people sell $6000+ motorcycles makes it a necessity to police and manage the "for sale" forums to the best of our ability for the protection of my members.
But people also sell $20 items, and we ban ANYONE who scams another member - this includes sponsors.

biggeorgef said:
But people also sell $20 items, and we ban ANYONE who scams another member - this includes sponsors.
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i deeply agree with this one , there should be zero tolerance , no posting suspension , no infractions , just insta-ban

pinstack.com has a "trust" meter, I've found it very useful at times. Plus this gives a better all-around feel for someone instead of just what's gone on in the marketplace.
http://forums.pinstack.com/trust.php

How about for now, we try and get people to use HeatWare? You can build a rep that's damn hard to fake.

There is always someone willing to take the role and help out.
Furthermore we have a "thanks" system, so I don't see it being too difficult to add some sort of "trust" system as previously mentioned. Though if there is an acceptable volunteer for thread mod, that would be a good idea too.

I also vouch for heatware. Great service and have used it on many forum trades sections.

or post names of scammers until mods start banning them.
TheAndroider
iDroidfan
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Plus guys get scammed when they do things in private. Keep as much as possible public and you are safer since everyone reads the posts and someone will know if one of the parties is bogus.
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i suggest rules(vBulletin mod) to be able to use marketplace:
1.over 50 posts
2. member for atleast 6months
in addition to:
1.transparency-every single deal should be public, pm's allowed for chatting etc, but all conditions, offers etc will be sellers&buyers thing to do in their thread(go public if you don't wanna get scammed)
2.bans for people (proved)scamming-hasn't been on xda 1 week from bogus deal, didn't respond buyer's PM's, sent fake/empty product etc
3.more mods assinged to this part of forum-"too good to be true" offers will be removed/reported in short period of time, preventing anyone to reply, and could be reactivated when seller responds to mod's pm and proves he's legit and has item for sale(especially first few sales)
4. whitelist of members who made over 20 deals succsessfully in longer period of time, separate items, with higher value(not sending 20 e.g. batteries at once).

killster said:
it wont happen, there is no reason for a 3rd party, or a member of xda community to take on that role, and then possibly be at fault.
ie.
why complicate it more than it needs to be.
A feedback system may work, but never a 3rd party.
IMHO.
37 transactions and counting, xda only.
killster
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Do those 37 count the ones you committed to and then backed out of killster? Seems mlee and i are not the only ones. Not the same as scamming but questionable nonetheless.

As per Marketplacer Rule #1:
The XDA-Developers.com Market Place, hereafter MP, is provided free to members with at least 8 posts at XDA-Developers.com. XDA-Developers.com, its moderators, administrators, owners and legal advisors do not warrant, guarantee or endorse any item offered for sale or trade on this forum.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: Trade at your own Risk.
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We have many Senior moderators who actively monitor the Marketplace forum We don't need anymore.
XDA will not get actively involved in a Marketplace dispute under normal circumstances. And we will never act as a "middle man". The above quoted rule underlines this.

Just to elaborate on what the_scotsman says above.
There are resource issues in providing checks on those trading in the Marketplace. We simply don't have these resources in terms of people to monitor trades, or systems to test or validate Users.
Equally, we do not have the resources to investigate when things go wrong. Inevitably in such cases, there will be conflicting accounts of what has happened and we have no way to prove or disprove the claims that are made by the parties in dispute. This is not an area with which we would ever suggest we can become involved.
Just occassionally we will disable the account of a member if there are repeated claims that purchased items have not been received, but Users should NEVER assume that we are checking sellers, because we are not.
We have no plans to bring in a checking system because with the resources we have, we simply wish to provide a basic noticeboard for sellers and a forum for threads where the transaction can be conducted in public. We do not Moderate the Marketplace except in a very cursory way, because it cannot be done reliably and more importantly it would give the FALSE impression that we were checking and validating the trades and sales in the Forum; in other words it might make buyers feel more secure in buying and yet the risk is ALL theirs.
It may be possible for us to implement some kind of User rating system whereby Users, not Moderators or Admin, can rate a Member according to how well or badly a sale/trade has gone. I understand this is being considered. Nevertheless, it would still be "buyer beware!".
If you are looking to buy and want guarantees and insurance if things go wrong, then our Marketplace Forum is not the place to buy! That said, if you are tempted to buy, then it may be possible for you to carry out some checks yourself, by looking at post history, previous sales if any and perhaps even a few checks using Google. You might also prefer to deal only with Members you have known over many months, even years!
Mike

Switching away from GoDaddy

I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.

I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.

boardsportsrule said:
I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.
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It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.

Archer said:
I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.
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Happy I helped!
pulser_g2 said:
It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.
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Gotcha, thanks for the information. I was secretly hoping it was fully hosted on GoDaddy. That'd be a blow to their wallet!

BBCNews said:
GoDaddy has courted controversy earlier in 2011 because its founder and former boss, Bob Parsons, shot and killed an elephant during a hunt in Zimbabwe and posted a video of this online.
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I didn't need any further reason to end my custom with them, but if I'd have known that then I would have done it long ago.

Golf Clap for XDA
Here is the statement from XDA, i hope many others will follow suit...
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
Posted December 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm by Russell Holly
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
As many of you may be aware, we here at XDA-Developers occasionally stand in support of our members. All of you feel that you can submit things on the forums, knowing that the information is appreciated, used, and shared. We have members all over the world, and we know that the rules aren’t always the same when it comes to what you are “legally” allowed to do. I think I can speak for a great many by saying that while our unified voices are strong, there is nothing stronger than action. In keeping with that, we have decided to move XDA-Developers away from GoDaddy entirely.
This won’t surprise many. GoDaddy’s original support of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed by their frankly cowardly flip-flop when that stance showed unpopular was enough for the decision to be clear. If SOPA clears, The very existence of a site like XDA would be at risk. For the record, SOPA would allow:
The US Government to selectively censor the web based on requests made by organizations who disapproved of content
Deny the owners of a site due process of law by blacklisting a DNS based on just a claim of copyright infringement
Force sites like XDA to aggressively monitor and filter all content
Hold site owners accountable for everything users post, with consequences like jail time and heavy fines
If SOPA passes, XDA would be forced to switch to a review system, where the forum moderators would have to inspect and approve every post on every subforum. The result would seriously decrease activity on XDA, and it wouldn’t be very long after that we’d likely be forced to close our doors. Obviously this is a “worst case” scenario, but it doesn’t change the fact that this could be a reality if SOPA passes.
Over the next few days, we will be moving all XDA assets away from GoDaddy. In the mean time, we encourage you to head over to the EFF, where they have created a page for how you can do your part to oppose this legislation that would allow the US to firewall content from their own citizens.
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found this from searching lol
Hello, SONY.
We are Anonymous.
It has come to the attention of the Anonymous activist community that you have chosen to stand by the Stop Online Piracy Act
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Sony-Stop-Supporting-SOPA-Anonymous-Threats-38195.html

I decided not to move my domains from godaddy. Reason being is that im letting those domains expire on them, so they take the cost of maintaining them. They aren't getting any more money from me.

It's not /just/ the elephant for me, it's their SOPA support, too. Thank you, xda.

Link to similar forums

To: XDA Developers Forum
I spent so long trying to recover my password (your Captcha is insensitive to humans) that I searched my own old records and found it.
I also found a Paypal payment for $10.00 USD to Rob van Egdom as "XDA File Server"
Unfortunately, I find the tone of your forum too 'dominant' and classroom to be of any use to me.
Could you please suggest links to other forums where I might discuss some ideas on MIFI and mobile devices or anything similar.so that I may cut my losses and get on with what I am doing.
With kind regards,
Donald O'Sullivan
cc [email protected]

Hi,
AFAIK saying it to you can break the 11th forum rule, so sorry, but I think there's no answer for you here. The best in your case is searching in Google.
11. Don’t post with the intention of selling something.
* Don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. Proprietors of for-pay products or services, may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or a free version of their product for XDA users and to offer support, but not to post with the intention of selling. This includes promoting sites similar / substantially similar to XDA-Developers.com.
* Do not post press releases, announcements, links to trial software or commercial services, unless you’re posting an exclusive release for XDA-Developers.com.
* Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
* Off-site downloads are permitted if the site is non-commercial and does not require registration.
* Off-site downloads from sites requiring registration are NOT encouraged but may be permitted if both of the following conditions are met:
A) The site belongs to a member of XDA-Developers with at least 1500 posts and 2 years membership, who actively maintains an XDA-Developers support thread(s) / posts, related to the download.
B) The site is a relatively small, personal website without commercial advertising / links (i.e. not a competitor forum-based site with purposes and aims similar to those of XDA-Developers.com.)
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"Time is too short to cry, long enough to try." - March of Time (Helloween)
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Salahoona said:
To: XDA Developers Forum
I spent so long trying to recover my password (your Captcha is insensitive to humans) that I searched my own old records and found it.
I also found a Paypal payment for $10.00 USD to Rob van Egdom as "XDA File Server"
Unfortunately, I find the tone of your forum too 'dominant' and classroom to be of any use to me.
Could you please suggest links to other forums where I might discuss some ideas on MIFI and mobile devices or anything similar.so that I may cut my losses and get on with what I am doing.
With kind regards,
Donald O'Sullivan
cc [email protected]
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Since you're asking for info about other forums, rather than trying to push people to them, there's no issue here about rule breaking. I understand if you're not happy with a site that you'd want to find a different one, but we're really not the people to ask. I'd recommend simply searching for alternatives using an internet search provider of your choice.
There are tons of other tech related sites out there, so it should be very simple to find something more suited to you and your needs.
I hope you find what you're looking for