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Hi guys,
I have the N5100 3G version. I have had it since may and it has worked well. However, since yesterday, Three UK started blocking me from using data. It says I have to get a tablet sim. The problem is I don't want to loose the ability to make phone calls.
Has anyone had an issue like this?

I'm also having the same issue, I have spoken to three support today at length with the result being "we can sell you a mobile broadband plan sim that you can swap out for data" - it appears that Three have launched the LTE version on the note 8 as a tablet only device (ie, no phone or text) and so are blocking all versions of the note 8 under that ruling.
I'm going to try and get to talk to someone not loacted in India tomorrow to look into this as this is my main device for phone calls aswell as data and I'm locked into the one plan for another 9 months!

isdky said:
I'm also having the same issue, I have spoken to three support today at length with the result being "we can sell you a mobile broadband plan sim that you can swap out for data" - it appears that Three have launched the LTE version on the note 8 as a tablet only device (ie, no phone or text) and so are blocking all versions of the note 8 under that ruling.
I'm going to try and get to talk to someone not loacted in India tomorrow to look into this as this is my main device for phone calls aswell as data and I'm locked into the one plan for another 9 months!
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Yay, I am not the only one! I am really disappointed with it. They don't seem to understand me, I also use it as my main device. I do wonder how they identify the device, it would be good if we could change it so they think its a phone.

JCUK89 said:
Yay, I am not the only one! I am really disappointed with it. They don't seem to understand me, I also use it as my main device. I do wonder how they identify the device, it would be good if we could change it so they think its a phone.
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We 5100 owners in the US want the exact opposite: tablet plans are so much cheaper, we wish it were recognized as tablets instead of phones! If they are identifying your device by imei number, you may be able to get around it by using an imei from an LTE version. I had a similar issue (in reverse) and that's how it was resolved. I may eventually get caught, but for now, I'm flying under the radar.

afblangley said:
We 5100 owners in the US want the exact opposite: tablet plans are so much cheaper, we wish it were recognized as tablets instead of phones! If they are identifying your device by imei number, you may be able to get around it by using an imei from an LTE version. I had a similar issue (in reverse) and that's how it was resolved. I may eventually get caught, but for now, I'm flying under the radar.
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How difficult was that to do?

Be careful talk of changing imei is against the TOS on these forums. As tempting as it sounds it is both dangerous and legally dubious. It is a common tactic used by phone thieves to activate stolen phones. Also modifying such information can render your phone a paper weight if not careful.

isdky said:
How difficult was that to do?
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I'm not sure exactly how it was done, but it only took a few minutes to do. I'm sorry I don't know more about what's involved.
Sent from my GT-N5100 using xda app-developers app

isdky said:
I'm also having the same issue, I have spoken to three support today at length with the result being "we can sell you a mobile broadband plan sim that you can swap out for data" - it appears that Three have launched the LTE version on the note 8 as a tablet only device (ie, no phone or text) and so are blocking all versions of the note 8 under that ruling.
I'm going to try and get to talk to someone not loacted in India tomorrow to look into this as this is my main device for phone calls aswell as data and I'm locked into the one plan for another 9 months!
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Hi, have you spoken to someone? Any resolution?

What is the best way to purchase a S9 / S9+ for Verizon, and should I switch plans?

I keep asking around and I keep getting different answers.
I have a grandfathered UDP. Some people say I should keep it because the new UDP has limitations. Some people say I should switch to the new UDP.
I wish I could still use PDANet/FoxFi (only a few times a year when travelling etc.). Some people say I can just pay $1/day for Verizon mobile hotspot. Some people say I should switch my plan.
I use Samsung Pay and GearVR, and I'd rather not root my phone. I use between 10-20GB/month.
Some people say that "unlocked" doesn't matter anymore - that the carrier SIM will make it a Verizon device no matter where I buy the phone. Is that true?
I'm ready to upgrade from my S6 to the S9 or S9+ (I want to keep my S6). Should I purchase through Samsung, Verizon, Amazon, Best Buy? Does it matter, or should I just go with the cheapest deal I can find?

I plan on going straight through Samsung on a monthly payment plan. They should offer some type of a device trade in program so I can trade in my sons Moto Z and maybe get a couple hundred knocked off. My son can have my Pixel XL and I'll get the 9+.

ergalthema said:
I keep asking around and I keep getting different answers.
I have a grandfathered UDP. Some people say I should keep it because the new UDP has limitations. Some people say I should switch to the new UDP.
I wish I could still use PDANet/FoxFi (only a few times a year when travelling etc.). Some people say I can just pay $1/day for Verizon mobile hotspot. Some people say I should switch my plan.
I use Samsung Pay and GearVR, and I'd rather not root my phone. I use between 10-20GB/month.
Some people say that "unlocked" doesn't matter anymore - that the carrier SIM will make it a Verizon device no matter where I buy the phone. Is that true?
I'm ready to upgrade from my S6 to the S9 or S9+ (I want to keep my S6). Should I purchase through Samsung, Verizon, Amazon, Best Buy? Does it matter, or should I just go with the cheapest deal I can find?
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Being that your on Verizon, I wouldn't get an unlocked S9/S9+. I had an unlocked S8+ and I couldn't use Wi-Fi calling when I travelled internationally. I go to a lot of Caribbean islands and I couldn't call my family back home unless they had what's app.
I'm going to order through Samsung for a a Verizon version. I think that's the best option instead of unlocked.

Bxrider117 said:
Being that your on Verizon, I wouldn't get an unlocked S9/S9+. I had an unlocked S8+ and I couldn't use Wi-Fi calling when I travelled internationally. I go to a lot of Caribbean islands and I couldn't call my family back home unless they had what's app.
I'm going to order through Samsung for a a Verizon version. I think that's the best option instead of unlocked.
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You know thats a good point! I was originally looking maybe at an unlocked version but... having WiFi calling when out of the states is nice feature without spending $$$ on a separate international plan at the time.

Bxrider117 said:
Being that your on Verizon, I wouldn't get an unlocked S9/S9+. I had an unlocked S8+ and I couldn't use Wi-Fi calling when I travelled internationally. I go to a lot of Caribbean islands and I couldn't call my family back home unless they had what's app.
I'm going to order through Samsung for a a Verizon version. I think that's the best option instead of unlocked.
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That's a good point - glad you mentioned it. However, I am rarely out of the country, so I'm wondering if it's still in my best interest to have an unlocked phone.

Deathman20 said:
You know thats a good point! I was originally looking maybe at an unlocked version but... having WiFi calling when out of the states is nice feature without spending $$$ on a separate international plan at the time.
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I know this was the case with the S8+. I'm going to make sure that I confirm it with Samsung and Verizon. The unlocked version is cheaper than getting from Verizon.
You can also now reservthe unlocked version on Samsung's website
https://www.samsung.com/us/
It only lets you reserve the unlocked version right now.

Bxrider117 said:
I know this was the case with the S8+. I'm going to make sure that I confirm it with Samsung and Verizon. The unlocked version is cheaper than getting from Verizon.
You can also now reservthe unlocked version on Samsung's website
https://www.samsung.com/us/
It only lets you reserve the unlocked version right now.
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If you pre-order it on Friday from Best Buy I think it matches or beats Samsung's price by $10 and includes unlocked version too!
Course its early so curious if anything will change.
Side note is there any additional pre-order perks that we can get?

Deathman20 said:
If you pre-order it on Friday from Best Buy I think it matches or beats Samsung's price by $10 and includes unlocked version too!
Course its early so curious if anything will change.
Side note is there any additional pre-order perks that we can get?
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All I see at Samsung is the $840 (S9+), but Best Buy says it will be $100 off that, no?

ergalthema said:
All I see at Samsung is the $840 (S9+), but Best Buy says it will be $100 off that, no?
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Samsung is reading right. Though from Verizon/AT&T they have the higher price at $930/915 respectfully. So that being said it would potentially bring it lower than Samsung.

Best Buy says to get their discount there needs to be a qualified activation. Not sure but that sounds like you need to start a new line of service with the carrier. I have a plan already, don't need another. I'm with AT&T and am going to go with the carrier's model of the phone. HD calling or volte might or might not work with an unlocked model depending on whether or not they decide to activate it for you but WiFi calling won't work unless you have the AT&T model. WiFi calling is nice for out of country use, my family also spends some time in an area without cell service but WiFi is available. When I realized my wife had wifi calling on her iphone I was jealous. My Pixel didn't work. I like the features, security of the new phones. I think I'm done worrying about carrier apps, bootloaders and root. It's been quite a while since I modded a phone and improved on the stock configuration. I know, this is XDA but it's getting pretty hard to improve on this year's phones. My P2XL is still stock & I'm very happy with it like that.

dmb219 said:
Best Buy says to get their discount there needs to be a qualified activation. Not sure but that sounds like you need to start a new line of service with the carrier. I have a plan already, don't need another. I'm with AT&T and am going to go with the carrier's model of the phone. HD calling or volte might or might not work with an unlocked model depending on whether or not they decide to activate it for you but WiFi calling won't work unless you have the AT&T model. WiFi calling is nice for out of country use, my family also spends some time in an area without cell service but WiFi is available. When I realized my wife had wifi calling on her iphone I was jealous. My Pixel didn't work. I like the features, security of the new phones. I think I'm done worrying about carrier apps, bootloaders and root. It's been quite a while since I modded a phone and improved on the stock configuration. I know, this is XDA but it's getting pretty hard to improve on this year's phones. My P2XL is still stock & I'm very happy with it like that.
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Talking with BB reps so far, their qualified activation doesn't seem to be like anything. Can be a new line or current at least thats what I've been told so far and that is what they are expecting.
For the BB pricing though found this out and might only still refer to the Pre-Order period. S9+ will be $100 off still after the 2nd, and S9 will be $50 off after the 2nd. No clue how long it lasts after that though but its what I was able to get out of the rep today. Also talking around no luck at getting at least Verizon to honor the BB discount so... well really its not to much tough luck for them since they still get money.

I just spoke to a vz rep, and this was her answer to the question...
Verizon: Thank you for contacting the Verizon Wireless Chat Team regarding your account. How can we help you today?
You: hi
You: what is the difference between the verizon S9 and the version of the S9 straight from samsung?
Meghann: Hello!
Meghann: There is no difference between the phones.
You: all features will work on both versions?
Meghann: Correct.
You: wifi calling, etc? We will just get software updates straight from samsung as oppose to from vz?
You: Please pardon my confusion here, but i was wondering what made the samsung version $80 cheaper!
Meghann: We do not make the phone, the difference is that Samsung sells us the phone and then we sell it to you. If you buy it straight from Samsung, you can use it on any carrier.
You: yes i am aware of that!
You: but i have heard that wifi calling doesn't work if international, mobile hotspot may not work, and we won't have access to some verizon features
You: is any of that true for this version of the phone?
Meghann: No, the device will still work the same.
Meghann: That would be true if you bought the phone from say Sprint and then brought it to us.

droideris1 said:
You: but i have heard that wifi calling doesn't work if international, mobile hotspot may not work, and we won't have access to some verizon features
You: is any of that true for this version of the phone?
Meghann: No, the device will still work the same.
Meghann: That would be true if you bought the phone from say Sprint and then brought it to us.
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Of all the confusing possibilities I've heard, I have not heard anyone say that an unlocked phone will have wifi calling on Verizon - basically everyone says wifi calling does not work on an unlocked phone...

ergalthema said:
Of all the confusing possibilities I've heard, I have not heard anyone say that an unlocked phone will have wifi calling on Verizon - basically everyone says wifi calling does not work on an unlocked phone...
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This is true on AT&T phones. You won't get wifi calling unless you have an AT&T phone. Can't speak for Verizon. Can't speak for the S9 at all since we don't have any user feedback but I doubt the carrier bonus features will change.

The unlocked version will not get visual voice mail on Verizon. That is a no go for me. All one has to do is look at the status of the unlocked S8 on verizon for confirmation. Nothing is different here. In fact Verizon has recently stated it will temporarily stop selling it's own branded phones unlocked. The Verizon price of the phones are almost $100 over what the Samsung retail is and also the most of any carrier. lucky us. I don't need a new activation so I don't get the $100 off best Buy deal. So I pay the inflated rate at no discount and no offers. nada. Basically stuck. Oh well.. such is life.

xgman said:
I don't need a new activation so I don't get the $100 off best Buy deal.
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You didn't need to start a new line. I'm trading in my S8+ for the S9+ with Best Buy and I got the $100 off. I'm not starting a new line, just upgrading my current. They just make you activate it in the store.

Call up the cancelation department and threaten to cancel to ATT. When they ask if they can do anything for you let them know they can offer you the phone and keep your GUDP. Worked for me.

@ergalthema
What did you decide to do? It's cheaper through the Samsung website itself.
I'm in the same boat as you - I don't really need Wifi calling and don't use VVM.

wolfgrrl said:
@ergalthema
What did you decide to do? It's cheaper through the Samsung website itself.
I'm in the same boat as you - I don't really need Wifi calling and don't use VVM.
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I went with the unlocked from Samsung. So far, any issues I have would probably exist on the Verizon version as well (mainly minor quirks that I have to find workarounds for).
For some reason, it has been more difficult to force the camera shutter to silent. I have a Tasker task that always worked with S6 - when camera is opened, silence all audio. But with the S9, sometimes the "System Volume" will be stuck at full. It's grayed-out and I cant' change it. Not sure what's causing that. If I reboot, I can adjust everything again. At first, I thought maybe the unlocked version couldn't silence the camera shutter, but that's not the case. I can silence it sometimes. Gotta figure out why it gets stuck at full volume sometimes, though.

Yeah, I think that's the route I'm going to do as well. Plus they'll give me $200 for my current phone
ergalthema said:
I went with the unlocked from Samsung. So far, any issues I have would probably exist on the Verizon version as well (mainly minor quirks that I have to find workarounds for).
For some reason, it has been more difficult to force the camera shutter to silent. I have a Tasker task that always worked with S6 - when camera is opened, silence all audio. But with the S9, sometimes the "System Volume" will be stuck at full. It's grayed-out and I cant' change it. Not sure what's causing that. If I reboot, I can adjust everything again. At first, I thought maybe the unlocked version couldn't silence the camera shutter, but that's not the case. I can silence it sometimes. Gotta figure out why it gets stuck at full volume sometimes, though.
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Anyone getting this email? "AT&T is shutting down our 3G network."

This phone nor my Wife's mate 10 pro use 3G so I am confused about this email.
Anyone else?

I received it as a text message on my Mate 20x in May. If this happens I may switch to Spectrum Cable mobile service which uses the Verizon network.

loudawg11 said:
I received it as a text message on my Mate 20x in May. If this happens I may switch to Spectrum Cable mobile service which uses the Verizon network.
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The mate 20x doesnt work on spectrum/verizon

T-mobile maybe? Update: They're dropping it too... 3G is dead as Zed.

But these phones are not using 3G so i dont understand why they will block them

I got a text message today from AT&T saying "we're sending you a phone. if you don't activate it, we will auto activate it after 30 days and your phone you're using now will only be able to call 911"
This is a huge bummer.

CCJ22 said:
I got a text message today from AT&T saying "we're sending you a phone. if you don't activate it, we will auto activate it after 30 days and your phone you're using now will only be able to call 911"
This is a huge bummer.
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same thing my wife received :/

CCJ22 said:
I got a text message today from AT&T saying "we're sending you a phone. if you don't activate it, we will auto activate it after 30 days and your phone you're using now will only be able to call 911"
This is a huge bummer.
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Wow. Did you reach out to at&t to escalate this issue?

Deanro said:
Wow. Did you reach out to at&t to escalate this issue?
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I actually did 2 months ago when they just shut my phone off completely. Spoke with a cool rep who turned it back on.
But I haven't reached out to them about this text message.
But here is the list https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Devices-Working-on-ATT-Network.pdf
Funny, SM-N975U1 which is NOT a 5g phone seems to be on the list of accepted phones. This is a very big bummer.
I'm gonna ride the wave and pretend I didnt' even get a phone from AT&T and see just how long I can keep using my Mate 20x here in the USA on ATT.

If only 16:9 or 16:10 phones would come back. But looks like lame kitkat phones are here to stay. :/

shaolin95 said:
If only 16:9 or 16:10 phones would come back. But looks like lame kitkat phones are here to stay. :/
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Funny you mention this as a week ago I stumbled upon a thread "boycotting" the slim "cigarette" phones possessing aspect ratios greater than 16:9. From what I had gathered from reading through user's complaints, about 97% favored the re-adoption of the classic wide AR of phones while disfavoring (with some expletives) these Malboro cigarette phones.
In my opinion, in order to please certain audiences (that would be us) phone companies should at least provide 2 phone flavors, slim and wide. Personally I wouldnt mind creating a fb campaign if you guys would like to join that protest.
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I actually did 2 months ago when they just shut my phone off completely. Spoke with a cool rep who turned it back on.
But I haven't reached out to them about this text message.
But here is the list https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Devices-Working-on-ATT-Network.pdf
Funny, SM-N975U1 which is NOT a 5g phone seems to be on the list of accepted phones. This is a very big bummer.
I'm gonna ride the wave and pretend I didnt' even get a phone from AT&T and see just how long I can keep using my Mate 20x here in the USA on ATT.
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My best advice to you if you really want your mate 20x to remain your keepsake is to swap networks to another gsm which would be a smart move by paying a similar price

Deanro said:
Funny you mention this as a week ago I stumbled upon a thread "boycotting" the slim "cigarette" phones possessing aspect ratios greater than 16:9. From what I had gathered from reading through user's complaints, about 97% favored the re-adoption of the classic wide AR of phones while disfavoring (with some expletives) these Malboro cigarette phones.
In my opinion, in order to please certain audiences (that would be us) phone companies should at least provide 2 phone flavors, slim and wide. Personally I wouldnt mind creating a fb campaign if you guys would like to join that protest.
My best advice to you if you really want your mate 20x to remain your keepsake is to swap networks to another gsm which would be a smart move by paying a similar price
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I would like to join your facebook page and a link to the thread you found boycotting it.

CCJ22 said:
I would like to join your facebook page and a link to the thread you found boycotting it.
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Me too. I mean, if companies were smart, one could bring up at least one model 16:9 and have the whole market of people looking for that aspect ratio !

shaolin95 said:
Me too. I mean, if companies were smart, one could bring up at least one model 16:9 and have the whole market of people looking for that aspect ratio !
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I would like to join your facebook page and a link to the thread you found boycotting it.
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Ok guys I have created a facebook page. Keep in mind that this is the first time I have ever created a fb page regarding a company. Note also, I'm not a social media person so bear with me. That said, I strongly encourage suggestions as to how best to make it look right and communicate the right message to the company and our audience. It is still a work in progress. Please don't hesitate to add your opinions.
I need 24 likes on the fb page before I can add a username according to fb rules.
Let me know what you think!
Stop Samsung
Stop Samsung. 1 like. This is a campaign to compel Samsung Electronics to manufacture wide phones again. Unfortunately, today's narrow phones have replaced wide phones leaving consumers disappointed...
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On the fb page the link is in chinese for some strange reason although I'm not chinese and reside in USA. If anyone here can suggest how to fix that do let me know. Thanks.

Hi guys. A few of you have reacted favorably to my fb page on urging samsung to resurrect the wide aspect ratio. However, I'm new to making fb pages. If you want to submit some ideas to me on how to reach a greater audience or enhance the page to convey our message better, please do so. Thank you.

Getting back to the initial point of this thread, my phone was turned off today by AT&T in the United States. I spoke with AT&T customer service. They indicated that even though the EVR-L29 is a 4G LTE phone, it handles voice calls over a 3G network. There is supposed to be a setting on the device to switch the phone to 4G LTE calling (VoLTE.) However, when I checked my settings, the switch was not there. I posted in another thread on XDA about this situation; but have not heard back. In the meantime, has anyone found a solution? I was told that all of these devices would be turned off permanently in February as the 3G network will be dismantled. I'm hoping to find a solution before then because I really don't want to let this phone go. Otherwise, are there any suggestions for other larger (7") screen phones that do 4G LTE calling on US bands supported by either AT&T or T-Mobile? Thanks.

steveyal said:
Getting back to the initial point of this thread, my phone was turned off today by AT&T in the United States. I spoke with AT&T customer service. They indicated that even though the EVR-L29 is a 4G LTE phone, it handles voice calls over a 3G network. There is supposed to be a setting on the device to switch the phone to 4G LTE calling (VoLTE.) However, when I checked my settings, the switch was not there. I posted in another thread on XDA about this situation; but have not heard back. In the meantime, has anyone found a solution? I was told that all of these devices would be turned off permanently in February as the 3G network will be dismantled. I'm hoping to find a solution before then because I really don't want to let this phone go. Otherwise, are there any suggestions for other larger (7") screen phones that do 4G LTE calling on US bands supported by either AT&T or T-Mobile? Thanks.
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What bothers me is that cricket, H2O, etc... Which are all on the AT&T network have not been told they need to get a LTE voice phone.
My parents are in cricket with OnePlus unlocked phones. My sister is in H2O.
Business as usual for carriers that use AT&T towers so what the **** is going on at AT&T?

steveyal said:
Getting back to the initial point of this thread, my phone was turned off today by AT&T in the United States. I spoke with AT&T customer service. They indicated that even though the EVR-L29 is a 4G LTE phone, it handles voice calls over a 3G network. There is supposed to be a setting on the device to switch the phone to 4G LTE calling (VoLTE.) However, when I checked my settings, the switch was not there. I posted in another thread on XDA about this situation; but have not heard back. In the meantime, has anyone found a solution? I was told that all of these devices would be turned off permanently in February as the 3G network will be dismantled. I'm hoping to find a solution before then because I really don't want to let this phone go. Otherwise, are there any suggestions for other larger (7") screen phones that do 4G LTE calling on US bands supported by either AT&T or T-Mobile? Thanks.
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The sad thing is that when I tested a TMobile sim card the option to switch to VoLTE shows up!

shaolin95 said:
The sad thing is that when I tested a TMobile sim card the option to switch to VoLTE shows up!
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Really? If that's the case, I will simply switch to T Mo. I have no allegiance to a carrier.

steveyal said:
Really? If that's the case, I will simply switch to T Mo. I have no allegiance to a carrier.
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Yeah I was going to do that but then my wife wanted to upgrade phones and I kind of wanted the better cameras of the S21 Ultra. Plus I never felt the Mate 20x was that big anyway (compared to what I had before). Still hoping for the return of the 16:10 phones one day or better foldable ones
Anyway, at least at this time, I dont see a problem with Tmobile and the Mate 20x.

Question Alternatives to Pixel 6 pro?

Like many others I am not sure when I'll even get it. Ordered it 5 pm ET on 19th. No update. Doubt I'll get it anytime soon. And obviously need a phone kinda now.
What are the options for a quality flagship? As far as I can see
Mi 11 ultra
S21 ultra
One plus 9 pro
Anything I am missing?
For the above the way I see it next gen is in a few months but I obviously can't wait.
Thanks in advance for any help. Appreciate it.

I've been trying to find a manufacturer to stick with after bouncing around a lot over the years. I was hoping that Google would be it with the new devices. Not quite sure on that. If I return this, I'm sticking with Samsung. I'm on Verizon, so most of the alternative devices (Xiaomi and the likes) are a no go.
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything and they have their separate store for updating some of their apps. They need to remove both of those.

Sammae7 said:
I've been trying to find a manufacturer to stick with after bouncing around a lot over the years. I was hoping that Google would be it with the new devices. Not quite sure on that. If I return this, I'm sticking with Samsung. I'm on Verizon, so most of the alternative devices (Xiaomi and the likes) are a no go.
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything and they have their separate store for updating some of their apps. They need to remove both of those.
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Didn't realize Xiaomi and the rest are no good with Verizon? Are they ok with ATT or T Mobile?

Yes. They work much better there. It mostly has to do with GMA and CDMA frequencies. AT&T and T-Mobile use GMA while Sprint and Verizon heavily rely on CDMA, which I guess is slowly changing. Verizon also likes to heavily limit what devices they allow on their network.

Pr20 said:
Didn't realize Xiaomi and the rest are no good with Verizon? Are they ok with ATT or T Mobile?
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Xiaomi has next to zero compatible US bands. You'll have an awful time on T-Mobile, and I believe the same on AT&T.

Sammae7 said:
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything ... They need to remove both of those.
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They just removed that.

Nice. Now they just need to dump their store and go strictly Play Store.

I mean, I agree, but it's not a huge deal. It auto-updates just like the play store does. Worst case scenario you check it once a month after the software update. /shrug
If I was ABSOLUTELY going to get a phone now, and I wasn't getting a pixel, I'd get a Oneplus 9 Pro. It's actually a great device, it just has **** software. Root it, and put a pixel experience ROM on it, and it's damn near identical to the 6 Pro. I actually think I like the hardware/feel of the 9 Pro better, especially in the pine green color.

Pr20 said:
Like many others I am not sure when I'll even get it. Ordered it 5 pm ET on 19th. No update. Doubt I'll get it anytime soon. And obviously need a phone kinda now.
What are the options for a quality flagship? As far as I can see
Mi 11 ultra
S21 ultra
One plus 9 pro
Anything I am missing?
For the above the way I see it next gen is in a few months but I obviously can't wait.
Thanks in advance for any help. Appreciate it.
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looked at the MI11 Ultra just can't find anywhere to buy one

vivo x70 pro and pro plus are S tier phones

Sammae7 said:
I've been trying to find a manufacturer to stick with after bouncing around a lot over the years. I was hoping that Google would be it with the new devices. Not quite sure on that. If I return this, I'm sticking with Samsung. I'm on Verizon, so most of the alternative devices (Xiaomi and the likes) are a no go.
My only issues with Samsung is they stick ads in everything and they have their separate store for updating some of their apps. They need to remove both of those.
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I was like you ,was always a HTC fan ......then they went off the boil over from, them to the essential phone ,which was awesome and massively under rated ,when they didn't survive I moved to the one plus 6t loved it and moved to the one plus 8 pro .....but they seem to be going away from op attraction now ,so now the pixel 6 pro
From a op only things I miss are warp charge alert slider ......unless your a i sheep or Samsunh fan boy then I think it's always going to be jumping to what's best at the time

I did love OnePlus, but they're utterly crappy camera (in the past) had me move away from them. I hear they've greatly improved that. At the end of the day, Samsung probably offers the best all around package with the least agitations for me, currently. They've made great strides in their UI, bloat, and ad invasiveness. They still have a long way to go, though.
I'll hold on to this P6P for a week or so and put it though the ringer. If it doesn't smooth out, I'll just use my 4A 5G until the new line of Samsung's roll out as I've already sold both my S21 and S21+ to family.

Sammae7 said:
Yes. They work much better there. It mostly has to do with GMA and CDMA frequencies. AT&T and T-Mobile use GMA while Sprint and Verizon heavily rely on CDMA, which I guess is slowly changing. Verizon also likes to heavily limit what devices they allow on their network.
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To be a little more clear, the issue comes down to frequencies rather than technology right now. With LTE, all U.S. carriers are using the same standard that the rest of the world uses. Same with 5G. Verizon and Sprint's (now T-Mobile's) CDMA networks will be shut down next year. While Verizon has some limitations on devices on their network, AT&T has actually become far more restrictive.
The real issue is the frequency bands that the carriers use for LTE and 5G. For example, T-Mobile has nationwide LTE and 5G coverage using band 71, but almost no other carriers in the world use it, which means that most phones sold in Europe and Asia won't work on one of T-Mobile's primary bands and T-Mobile customers may not get service without it. Verizon and AT&T just picked up a bunch of C-band spectrum that T-Mobile and much of the world aren't using for 5G. They also have mmWave 5G using bands that aren't widely used outside the U.S. right now as well. Though mmWave is only deployed in a small number of high-density urban areas.
One of the great things about the P6P is that the U.S. model has basically all of the frequencies used in the U.S. and most other countries, including mmWave.
In terms of phones, if you want compatibility with U.S. carriers (particularly T-Mobile on band 71), flagship specs, and the ability to unlock a bootloader and root, you have very few options right now. OnePlus and Google are the big ones, as Samsung locks their bootloaders for models with U.S. frequencies. Asus, Motorola, and Sony have a couple phones that will work as well. This site is a good resource for phones that work with T-Mobile (and often Verizon and AT&T too).

Wow, thank you. Way more informative than my post.

Furymaker said:
vivo x70 pro and pro plus are S tier phones
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For sure a good option but I wonder how compatible it is with Verizon or ATT. And I don't think there is a global version available.

Shipping update says I will get it today. Somehow I doubt that but will see. May not get the alternatives but we shall see.

LOL what a question to ask on the 6 Pro forums

Shipoftheline said:
LOL what a question to ask on the 6 Pro forums
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Why not? If it looked like it was getting delayed for weeks what can one do?

Pr20 said:
Why not? If it looked like it was getting delayed for weeks what can one do?
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Well if I have to explain it to you its like going into a car showroom and asking them what's the best alternative to their motors

Shipoftheline said:
Well if I have to explain it to you its like going into a car showroom and asking them what's the best alternative to their motors
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We can agree to disagree. There are no salespeople in this forum. And as you can see people have been more than happy to help.

Question Does variant matter?

I have been searching for the past hour or so about this because I'd considering purchasing a OP9Pro, however I want to make sure I get the best experience.
I will be using Mint mobile (T-Mobile MVNO), but in the future there is a good chance I will change carriers to something else like AT&T, and I want to ensure compatibility. I am looking on eBay, and seeing tons of devices, many T-Mobile unlocked, or China unlocked, or North America unlocked, and I am just not sure which LE212X I should go for.
Does it even matter? I'd like to be running a custom ROM to avoid google and other spyware that might come from oneplus, I just don't know if certain variants are better/worse than others.
I come from Xiaomi where sometimes a phone for a different market has an entire different SoC.
Thanks!

The only one whitelisted for AT&T is the factory unlocked LE2125. T-Mobile isn't picky. I have an LE2115 (factory unlocked OnePlus 9) and it works perfectly on Tello (T-Mobile), AT&T, and Lexvor (Verizon).

cproo12 said:
I have been searching for the past hour or so about this because I'd considering purchasing a OP9Pro, however I want to make sure I get the best experience.
I will be using Mint mobile (T-Mobile MVNO), but in the future there is a good chance I will change carriers to something else like AT&T, and I want to ensure compatibility. I am looking on eBay, and seeing tons of devices, many T-Mobile unlocked, or China unlocked, or North America unlocked, and I am just not sure which LE212X I should go for.
Does it even matter? I'd like to be running a custom ROM to avoid google and other spyware that might come from oneplus, I just don't know if certain variants are better/worse than others.
I come from Xiaomi where sometimes a phone for a different market has an entire different SoC.
Thanks!
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I would recommend the LE2125, it's the North American unlocked variant which gets regular updates and you don't need to bug T-Mobile to get it to work on other carriers.

@razercortex @EtherealRemnant i see.
screw at&t for whitelisting only one variant. what a shame! I will look for 2125.

cproo12 said:
@razercortex @EtherealRemnant i see.
screw at&t for whitelisting only one variant. what a shame! I will look for 2125.
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You're better off getting the 2125 anyway because the T-Mobile software is different and it's hugely behind the global variant plus getting the bootloader unlocked is a bit more of a hassle and converting the T-Mobile edition to global has presented issues for people.

Yep, LE2125 Global for the win which I'm using on T-Mobile usa...

Yeah they are just so ridiculously expensive. Like $700-$1200 versus $550
Might just end up getting the 8T

cproo12 said:
Yeah they are just so ridiculously expensive. Like $700-$1200 versus $550
Might just end up getting the 8T
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A lot of the reason the T-Mobile variant is cheaper is precisely because of these kinds of issues.

Yeah. Unfortunate I just wish any of my Xiaomi phones would work.
OnePlus is my next best but so expensive. I would feel awful if I dropped it!

i got mine about 3 week ago (unlocked american version) and have tmobile prepaid (which by the way is higher priority than mint on the same towers) and immedietly rooted and put on crdroid. Im so happy after switching from a note 20 ultra that could not be rooted. COuldnt be happier actually. I just got mines from best buy and traded in my device. Whats funny is on the one plus site its people crying about software issues and unhappiness but I cant relate since i put it on a custom rom right out the box. its very smooth. I went with the 9pro over the 10 because its the low ram low space version. I like it better anyways i dont need clunky cameras

Yeah i looked into t-mobile but their plans cost significantly more than mint for the same data amount.
and i dont really care about speed, i dont do much stuff on data that saving an extra few seconds matters to me.
i just want to be able to update/sync my 500gb+ music library over mobile network whenever i want without worrying about going over. always happens in background so saving $20 a month for slow unlimited vs fast unlimited is perfect.

cproo12 said:
Yeah i looked into t-mobile but their plans cost significantly more than mint for the same data amount.
and i dont really care about speed, i dont do much stuff on data that saving an extra few seconds matters to me.
i just want to be able to update/sync my 500gb+ music library over mobile network whenever i want without worrying about going over. always happens in background so saving $20 a month for slow unlimited vs fast unlimited is perfect.
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You should get AT&T Prepaid. Get an AT&T SIM card and find a group to join on r/gophonegroups and you can get Unlimited Max, which is true unlimited with a 22GB deprioritization threshold, for just $34 a month. 15GB is $24 and 5GB is $14. The only reason I still have Tello is because I only need a gig of data a month and it costs me $7 plus T-Mobile has the better network here now that they have midband 5G otherwise I would have AT&T Prepaid myself.

The thing is I want to get away from a network that whitelists IMEIs... I have AT&T right now and always have my whole life.
I just hate that I cannot use my Xiaomi devices with AT&T, so am looking into T-Mobile, but considering getting a OnePlus phone so i could have freedom to bounce around and try many different carriers.

cproo12 said:
The thing is I want to get away from a network that whitelists IMEIs... I have AT&T right now and always have my whole life.
I just hate that I cannot use my Xiaomi devices with AT&T, so am looking into T-Mobile, but considering getting a OnePlus phone so i could have freedom to bounce around and try many different carriers.
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Xiaomi is to blame for this. They intentionally don't put all the bands necessary for their phones to work right on US networks. T-Mobile has been starting to reject some Xiaomi devices as well for not having full band support. I would expect all three carriers to enforce whitelists by the end of this year once their respective 3G and 2G shutdowns have completed. The lack of band 71 absolutely cripples rural coverage and a lot of indoor and suburban coverage on T-Mobile and I just checked and even their new 12 series doesn't have it.

Yeah, unfortunately there aren't any xiaomi devices at all that support 71...
I guess its both companies making bad decisions. I should still be allowed to get ****ty service with my xiaomi on at&t if i want

cproo12 said:
I have been searching for the past hour or so about this because I'd considering purchasing a OP9Pro, however I want to make sure I get the best experience.
I will be using Mint mobile (T-Mobile MVNO), but in the future there is a good chance I will change carriers to something else like AT&T, and I want to ensure compatibility. I am looking on eBay, and seeing tons of devices, many T-Mobile unlocked, or China unlocked, or North America unlocked, and I am just not sure which LE212X I should go for.
Does it even matter? I'd like to be running a custom ROM to avoid google and other spyware that might come from oneplus, I just don't know if certain variants are better/worse than others.
I come from Xiaomi where sometimes a phone for a different market has an entire different SoC.
Thanks!
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Chinese ver works on both as I've used it on both. No 5g on att though

toolhas4degrees said:
Chinese ver works on both as I've used it on both. No 5g on att though
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Chinese version is not whitelisted for AT&T. If you SIM-swapped and it worked, that was temporary. Seriously, AT&T are being real jerks about it and have been disabling phones that are fully working with VoLTE based on an internal IMEI whitelist.

EtherealRemnant said:
Chinese version is not whitelisted for AT&T. If you SIM-swapped and it worked, that was temporary. Seriously, AT&T are being real jerks about it and have been disabling phones that are fully working with VoLTE based on an internal IMEI whitelist.
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I'm been using a att sim from straight talk since launch day of op9 pro on Chinese model lol just no 5g

toolhas4degrees said:
I'm been using a att sim from straight talk since launch day of op9 pro on Chinese model lol just no 5g
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That's because you're on Straight Talk. That's not the same as being on AT&T. Full MVNOs like Straight Talk make their own rules (which is why a lot of H2o customers have been pissed off lately because their own whitelist is more restrictive than AT&T's and it's not published anywhere) and haven't all been on top of the shutdown. I would expect your phone to get the auto boot later this year though.

EtherealRemnant said:
That's because you're on Straight Talk. That's not the same as being on AT&T. Full MVNOs like Straight Talk make their own rules (which is why a lot of H2o customers have been pissed off lately because their own whitelist is more restrictive than AT&T's and it's not published anywhere) and haven't all been on top of the shutdown. I would expect your phone to get the auto boot later this year though.
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It won't has the bands and is part of a bring your own device program. They pay to use their networks won't happen