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So i'm curious if anyone has tested the output of any of the windows 8 or 8.1 devices to see if there is any roll off in the mid-bass / sub bass frequency range?
I know my old android tablet used to roll off around 100hz and I'm curious if the windows devices do the same, or if anyone has found a way to bypass the internal DAC or trick it into letting you have a full 20hz - 20khz range of frequency
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if anyone has tested the output of any of the windows 8 or 8.1 devices to see if there is any roll off in the mid-bass / sub bass frequency range?
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Yes, I did test it on my DELL Venue 8 Pro. I opened Windows Media Player in 8.1 and played a standard test file that I usually use. The software equalizer was then manually adjusted to remove (negative gain) all frequencies above 200KHz. As I started going below 150Khz, I realized there was nothing audible coming from the mono speaker.
I'll leave you to deduce your own conclusion from my DELL Venue8Pro. It's not a deal breaker for me, since I use headphones when I want to listen to audio. However, the Venue8 Pro does not come with a built in amplifier to pump any serious bass into my studio quality headphones. Even the battery operated beats headphones didn't sound good when I had plugged them in. Only the "mid" region had a good quality sound. When I plug the same headphones in my Samsung Galaxy Note2 or HTC oneX, I get the bass I want.
I generated a sine wave sweep in Audacity on my Toshiba Encore tablet, played it out the headphone hack and recorded it on my computer's line in jack in Audacity. I used a range of 20Hz to 200Hz over 20 seconds. The overall amplitude of the waveform received on my computer looks the same over this range, there may be a slightly lower amplitude from around 20 to 40Hz, but its only slight. Not sure if this is being caused by the audio cable, the tablets DAC output or my computer's DAC input. When played on the tablet's speaker you can barely hear anything. I hooked it up to my stereo system which has speakers that go down to 50Hz and the sweep sounded fine from 50 to 200Hz.
I am looking for a bluetooth headset with loudness. I need wireless headset but with good sound. Please suggest me the best bluetooth heaset for music. I require loud music level and not soft music. I know that bluetooth headset does not have loud volume but if anyone can suggest me loudest of all available in the market it would be helpful. My main purpose is music and not calls. Wired headphones are very difficult to listen to music. I had few options
1: Sony SBH 80
2. LG Tone HBS 750 or 800
3. Plantronics Back beat
4 Motorola S11
Any headset would do for me as far as it has loudness. I have checked reviews for all but no where they mention loudness of the device
As far as my experience goes and giving that probably there's no mention of sensibility in the specs, I would go for IEM's. The speaker is closer to the eardrum and there's also the added benefit of phonic insulation.
It seems no one is ready to suggest me I was expecting reply frm ppl using from any of above models mentioned.
I reviewed in this forum a lot of wireless bluetooth headsets (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192333), including HBS-730, HBS-800, BlueBudsX, BackBeat 2, Sync by 50, ROX, and Pump HD. They all sounded equally loud. With wireless connection you have two levels of volume control, using volume on BT headset (about 7-8 clicks) and volume on your phone. Sometime people forget to adjust volume on their phone. Also, making it very loud distorts the sound, bt headsets have their limitations.
Among the one I tested, BlueBudsX, BackBeat2, and ROX all have good sound. I prefer ROX. HBS-800 is also great, but it's more conservative looking, not for extreme activities.
vectron said:
I reviewed in this forum a lot of wireless bluetooth headsets (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192333), including HBS-730, HBS-800, BlueBudsX, BackBeat 2, Sync by 50, ROX, and Pump HD. They all sounded equally loud. With wireless connection you have two levels of volume control, using volume on BT headset (about 7-8 clicks) and volume on your phone. Sometime people forget to adjust volume on their phone. Also, making it very loud distorts the sound, bt headsets have their limitations.
Among the one I tested, BlueBudsX, BackBeat2, and ROX all have good sound. I prefer ROX. HBS-800 is also great, but it's more conservative looking, not for extreme activities.
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Kindly suggest me one brand that I can purchase straight away. It is very difficult to check reviews and ten go buy one. I want a direct answer to take one. I want to know about HBS 800 ....I heard that the loudness is reduced in 800 compared to 730/750 is it true or it is equally loud as the previous models ?
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Kindly suggest me one brand that I can purchase straight away. It is very difficult to check reviews and ten go buy one. I want a direct answer to take one. I want to know about HBS 800 ....I heard that the loudness is reduced in 800 compared to 730/750 is it true or it is equally loud as the previous models ?
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Equally loud, and in HBS-800 they updated drivers to use premium one from JBL. Much better sound. HBS-800 is all around great bluetooth headset since it sits around your neck, has extra long battery life, all dedicated controls, good phone call quality, and with a right selection of eartips the sound quality is pretty good. You can also do some running around with it, just no crazy jumping For sports and exercising, I like ROX better, but sounds like you better off with HBS-800.
I have and enjoy a Philips SHB4000/28. They are on-the-ear, light, run long enough, comfortable, and sound fine. I mostly use for podcasts, but they are fine with casual music listening. If you like on-the-ear (I don't like in-ear), then I recommend them for their price.
anyone know of any of these headsets that has no earphones included, meaning you can use your own?
I've seen plenty but they all seem to use the older bluetooth standards that had very low quality.
I reviewed one from Antec (check my sig with review links), but it was an old BT standard and sound quality even with my best headphones was crappy So far, I haven't found any bt receivers without headphones with a high quality sound. Often, companies fine tune headphones and receiver and use either their own proprietary DSP decoding or aptX with BT4.0 - that's why the best wireless sound quality available only from a "bundle" of receiver and headphones, for now...
I have the hbs 750..bad bass ...also had 700 and 730 both lost volume over time
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I am looking for a bluetooth headset with loudness. I need wireless headset but with good sound. Please suggest me the best bluetooth heaset for music. I require loud music level and not soft music. I know that bluetooth headset does not have loud volume but if anyone can suggest me loudest of all available in the market it would be helpful. My main purpose is music and not calls. Wired headphones are very difficult to listen to music. I had few options
1: Sony SBH 80
2. LG Tone HBS 750 or 800
3. Plantronics Back beat
4 Motorola S11
Any headset would do for me as far as it has loudness. I have checked reviews for all but no where they mention loudness of the device
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I drive for a living so these are the best option for me with text readout but i gave found they lose volume level after a while... Need to figure out if it's hardware or software... Try the others let me know about sound and text readout please
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
Even I am interested in this. The specs talk about Hi-res audio. It has Dual 5-magnet speakers with dual NXP smart amplifiers and PMIC internal dual amplifier according to the specs. Does it really have a DAC or does it only have amplifiers. How is the sound quality. I would really like somebody to post their review.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
Andrew Lin said:
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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The sound is good but not on par with LG g6 for example. LG is way ahead in the sound part.
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I have both LG g6 and g7 but the Zenfone 5Z's sound is the best!!
5z doesn’t have any dedicated DAC as per few video reviews beebom or igyaan audio quality and amplification via headphone jack is not that great. I have a v20 with root and high impedance mode always on. I don’t think this phone compares to any of the recent LG flagships in terms of audio quality.The only place where 5z beats LG would be in the loudspeaker setup where 5z has stereo setup.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious when you said you are an audiophile!
First of all, you can't rate any phone's DAC or AMP performance by using BT headset. Bluetooth headphones have their own inbuilt DAC that they use to process sound when they receive audio in the form of digital signal via Bluetooth from the phone. Then by using their internal inbuilt DAC they convert that Digital signal to Analog signal.
Second of all, are you even serious when you rate Huawei P20/P20 pro sound as great ? Huawei/Honor phones have one of the weakest audio performance out there. Puny amp, okayish DAC, nothing more. Similar is the case with P20/pro.
"P20 is a phone with a DAC !" Which phone isn't the one with DAC? Every phone has one. Some use inbuilt one inside their processors, some employ custom ones for better sound fidelity.
"DAC/DTS works for headphones too!" DAC doesn't work for Bluetooth headphones, it's just that 5z allows to change sound settings of Bluetooth headphones from phone's stock settings. It by no way means that phone's DAC is being involved in Bluetooth headphones. It's simply not possible.
And DAC and DTS aren't the same things either that they can be written interchangeably.
I hope it helps. I by no way mean that 5z has bad audio quality but just corrected some of the things that weren't correct.
I frequently use aux in my car and this is the first device that doesn’t make distortion in sound during high volume. I love it. My car sound system is like concert place now.
The whole Hi-Res audio thing is mainly just marketing and playback support, less to do with the actual quality of the DAC and amp. Nowadays most smartphones can play 24-bit audio at high sample rates (eg. 192kHz). Sony marketed that for many years but their phones kept using on-board Qualcomm DACs with low output voltage (~0.35V from Z5 to XZ Premium). I have the Z5 and I think it's audio quality is good for IEMs but it can't drive some larger headphones very well.
ASUS says there's smart amplifiers but those seem to be for the speakers rather than the headphone. PhoneArena did a review recently and measured the output voltage of the headphone jack to be only 0.252V! That's even lower than the Sony Xperia XZ Premium (0.36V). Of course it's not the end-all, but a higher output voltage would be better at driving higher impedance headphones.
Some users talk about EQ modes sounding better but these things can't improve the quality of the hardware's output (eg. distortion and stereo crosstalk). All they can do is alter the tuning to your preference.
The DAC on the 5Z is just ok ; not audiophile grade by any yard stick . It struggles with high impedance proper headphones like ATH
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
wGRV said:
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
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M30x ..
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Yeah the DTS headphone X is a gimmick ..
I think there is presently no phone in the market which will come near LG V20, G6, V30 and G7 headphone audio performance, particularly with respect to driving high impedance ear/head phones. Actually, I am searching for another brand other than LG which will give a similar high end audio performance. I have a V20 and partnering that with my Sony MDR 7506 headphones or Venture Electronics MonkPlus earbuds (both having impedance around 60 ohms), the sound quality is awesome which I never found in other smartphones.
Andrew Lin said:
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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Just sold my LG v30+ due to screen ghosting issues and bought the 5z.
The DAC is good for headphones.
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
All these phones are nothing compared to a vibe p1 on resurrection remix
I have LG v20 and in the hopes of gettin listening to mind-blowing awesome sound, I bought FiiO music player and I couldn't get satisfied on anything. Poweramp on LG always destroys low end or certain frequencies (usually male voice) when pushed a little hard and when not pushed, there's no low end to talk about at all. FiiO has no low end frequency at all.
The only thing that came have a little satisfaction was my good old Lenovo Vibe p1 on resurrection remix. Seeing how you guys are rating LG v20 as great or the best, is there something I'm not doing to get the best out of it? I've tried it on earphones, Bluetooth etc but it just doesn't cut it.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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May be it can drive .. but I find the audio fidelity not that great compared to even the A1 . Music just doesn't sound wholesome .
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i owned lg g6 and the 5z audio quality is not that bad by any means, it's quite OK by 2018 smartphone standard, with it's gimmicky features such as dtx, hi res audio support , etc.
the LG quad dac is the king in the smartphone audio for now, but again, the 5z audio quality is not bad, unless you are very picky about audio quality,
even lg g6 / v30 dac chip still can't compete with my iBasso dx150.
if you never use a true hi res audio player before, the 5z audio quality will be just fine for you.
even for me imho, it's good enough.
Hi,
anyone coming from the Max 2? I was really shocked about the crappy speaker quality of the Max 3.
I watch Youtube videos a lot (without headphones) and it the sound was great for a phone with the Mi Max 2.
Max 3's speaker is really tinny and the earpiece isn't that loud as it is on the Max 2.
There was only one review mentioning the "slightly better" speaker of the Max 2 comparing it to the Max 3 but i don't think it's slightly - it's total crap.
I tried some equalizers and they improved a little bit but they were all kind of buggy.
How did you experience the speakers? Do you have any recommendations for a good equalizer software which works, starts with the phone and doesn't always lose it's settings?
Thank you
Its louder than my Xperia... yeah the sound is not the greatest but it does the job.
The headphones are a bit quiet too but I amplified it a bit and it did the trick.
I use viper4android from magisk and it works good.
I choose old version and old app when installing.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/module-viper4android-fx-2-5-0-5-t3577058
Is this only for the headphones or for the speaker also?
Dacoco said:
Is this only for the headphones or for the speaker also?
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There are seperate tabs for all devices.
Headphone, Speaker, Bluetooth headset etc
Great! I will check it out later! Thanks
Hi guys i'm searching some true wireless headphone with a 30-50$ range.
I've seen airdots of xiaomi, ep-t21 of aukey and taotronics soundliberty 53.
Someone has one of this tws or can suggest to me another?
Thanks in advice
1.JBL C100TWS 2.Lenovo HT10 pro
Nesquirt said:
Hi guys i'm searching some true wireless headphone with a 30-50$ range.
I've seen airdots of xiaomi, ep-t21 of aukey and taotronics soundliberty 53.
Someone has one of this tws or can suggest to me another?
Thanks in advice
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1. It's a in ear type, supports AAC codec doesn't supports aptx but the sound quality is awesome.
Call quality is also great.
2.its also in ear type supports aptx it's sound quality is also awesome.
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