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Just bought a jaybird x3 from Amazon I would say it cannot match the b&o play headphone comes with the phone with quad DAC enabled, anyone has better suggestion is that even Bose sport wireless will be about the same? Welcome any suggestion or I should stick with wired one just Bluetooth is so much more convenient, love to hear anyone with BeatX or similar ones
Replaced the standard ear tip with the foam type comes with jaybird x3 sounds significantly better
You need to use wired headphones to take advantage of the dac
I use the Creative Sound Blaster E3 combined with b&o play headphone that came with the phone and to me it sounds just as good or may be better than the phone with wired headphones. If the sound of the E3 is not up to par you can always substitute any 3.5mm headphone out for the B&O.
The Quad DAC will only activate with an audio cable plugged in. So unfortunately Bluetooth will not be able to take advantage of it.
However, the V20 does support AptX, which essentially allows for high quality audio through a BT headset, headphones, speakers, etc. Though I am far from an audiophile, I honestly do hear a definitive difference between an AptX supported headset vs a non AptX set.
Amazon has an extremely large selection of BT 4.1 (which features the ability to display the battery % of your headset on your phone), waterproof, AptX supported headphones. You just have to find the ones that fit your needs.
Good luck.
I use Samsung Gear IconX (truly wireless ones) with V20, very decent sound not much worse than included B&O H3! There's a bunch of them brand new unpacked on Ebay starting from like 80$ or so! Most folks change eartips on IconXs, the large ones from milliion year old Apple In-Ear Headphones with Remote and Mic worked for me famously, balanced sound and punchy bass, perfect for workouts. One very neat feature of IconXs that you can store 4gigs of songs and use as a standalone mp3 player and I personally think SQ is even better than paired with V20! Lastly, you can track steps and heart-rate but that's something I don't use...
I use the Apple AirPods when I need the convenience of Bluetooth. For wireless ear buds they sound really good when you pair them with Apple Music. I don't like the sound with Tidal tho.
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vam1230 said:
I use the Creative Sound Blaster E3 combined with b&o play headphone that came with the phone and to me it sounds just as good or may be better than the phone with wired headphones. If the sound of the E3 is not up to par you can always substitute any 3.5mm headphone out for the B&O.
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Oh I don't really know creative still makes things like this sounds interesting and it is about the same price as my jaybird x3, thanks for the suggestion
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The Quad DAC will only activate with an audio cable plugged in. So unfortunately Bluetooth will not be able to take advantage of it.
However, the V20 does support AptX, which essentially allows for high quality audio through a BT headset, headphones, speakers, etc. Though I am far from an audiophile, I honestly do hear a definitive difference between an AptX supported headset vs a non AptX set.
Amazon has an extremely large selection of BT 4.1 (which features the ability to display the battery % of your headset on your phone), waterproof, AptX supported headphones. You just have to find the ones that fit your needs.
Good luck.
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Yes v20 actually does support aptx HD but not easy to find a headphone that supports that except from LG and from the reviews it seems doesn't matter so much
Zenroid said:
Yes v20 actually does support aptx HD but not easy to find a headphone that supports that except from LG and from the reviews it seems doesn't matter so much
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TaoTronics Bluetooth In Ear Headphones Wireless Earbuds Sports Magnetic Earphones with Built-in Mic (Sweatproof with IPX5 Splash Proof Rating, aptX St https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYMSLFL/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apap_gKUSnifT9FZbE
I don't have high standards by any means, but these headphones are perfect for me. Great sound, durable, sweat resistant, long battery life, etc.
Jaybird is at the top when it comes to bluetooth, and you won't find any bluetooth earbuds that sound better than the X3.
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I use the Samsung Level U:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YA8L3YA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
which show to support aptX:
https://www.aptx.com/products/samsung-level-u-wireless-bluetoothr-headset
now the LG V20 supports aptX HD:
https://www.aptx.com/products/lgv20
but the aptX HD is backward compatible with the aptX. I think the Samsung Level U work great and sound great
Bose QC35 and Bose SoundSport Wireless, Word!
My brother has been through quite a few different ones including the Jaybirds and the best earbud pair imo was Monsters sport ones (ill have to get the model number for ya later as I dont recall). To be honest I thought my $30 Taotronic sport ones I got off Amazon sounded just as good as the Jaybirds did.
I've seen Bose has a new wireless in ear buds with active noise cancelling so those might sound pretty good. Haven't read anything about them yet though
I just posted this on another thread, well worth the price.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71356965&postcount=154
In my opinion the absolute best sounding bluetooth headset on the market right now is the Definitive Symphony 1, these things sound awesome for BT, even the bose BT headsets don't compare imo.
Best Bluetooth Earbuds
Have you seen the top 5 best sounding bluetooth earbuds you can buy. It might be the best for your need :laugh:
I have the Vmoda Crossfade Wireless 2 and they sound awesome with the phone. My Bludio UFO I just got today I think sound better at a much lower cost. Either way, the Bluetooth sounds great and the option to plug in for even better sound is there.
Don't mean to rain on the earbud parade but to get the best sound you need something with bigger drivers. I recently bought the Sharkk Claro from Amazon for $44.99 and it has ANC and Apt-X and it sounds pretty good.
I've been really happy with Mixcder over the ear headphones. I have a pair of the MS301 and my wife has the HD601. Both use Apt-x low latency, which seems to really help the audio quality.
Friends, suggest me suitable blue tooth headphones that will suit MiA1 phone.
kvrangarao said:
Friends, suggest me suitable blue tooth headphones that will suit MiA1 phone.
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Hm, don't understand quite your question, every bluetooth headphone is suitable.
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Hm, don't understand quite your question, every bluetooth headphone is suitable.
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Thanks, I got the answer from you
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Friends, suggest me suitable blue tooth headphones that will suit MiA1 phone.
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Depends on your budget.
Some good brands:
LG
Sony
Bose
Currently i am using mi wireless headphones, sound quality, battery backup, build quality good and don't fall wile running, i purchased for 1400 inr from banggood
By suitable, i think OP refers to audio hissing bug. its already known that low impedance phones will have audio hissing ( i own BT phones from JBL and the hissing is terrible ).
I have a few pairs of Bluetooth headphones, but at the moment I use these ones from Proxelle. Cheap, lightweigth, sweatproof and sound quality is good. Battery lasts 5 hours (more or less).
https://www.amazon.com/Proxelle-Blu...=UTF8&qid=1522242138&sr=8-1&keywords=proxelle
For comparison, I also have the Plantronics Backbeat Pro, a good competitor in the best bluetooth headphones category.
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Every Bluetooth headphones are suitable for Mi A1.
I recently bought this one, works quite well:
https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B07FYFX5KF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.in/Sony-WH1000XM...8&qid=1536671566&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+1000mx2
My 10 cents
I use a philips shb4000 bt headset and i am very happy with it.
Its relatively cheap, has great sound, is lightweight and comfortable.
RikLijkendijk
Strange how no one mentioned KZ, in my opinion KZ is great bang for the buck brand. They are not bluetooth type right from the box, but you can buy bluetooth module and make it wireless. I owned KZ ES4 and KZ ZSR, both of them are great but I recommend you get ZSR, for around $20. (+$8 for bluetooth module) you can't find better earphones.
https://www.gearbest.com/earbud-headphones/pp_1512920.html?wid=1433363
and bluetooth module (can get you around 3-4 hours of play time)
https://www.gearbest.com/earbud-headphones/pp_712247.html?wid=1433363
So in total of just under $30 you will get triple driver bluetooth earphones with awesome sound and build quality
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
Even I am interested in this. The specs talk about Hi-res audio. It has Dual 5-magnet speakers with dual NXP smart amplifiers and PMIC internal dual amplifier according to the specs. Does it really have a DAC or does it only have amplifiers. How is the sound quality. I would really like somebody to post their review.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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The sound is good but not on par with LG g6 for example. LG is way ahead in the sound part.
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I have both LG g6 and g7 but the Zenfone 5Z's sound is the best!!
5z doesn’t have any dedicated DAC as per few video reviews beebom or igyaan audio quality and amplification via headphone jack is not that great. I have a v20 with root and high impedance mode always on. I don’t think this phone compares to any of the recent LG flagships in terms of audio quality.The only place where 5z beats LG would be in the loudspeaker setup where 5z has stereo setup.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious when you said you are an audiophile!
First of all, you can't rate any phone's DAC or AMP performance by using BT headset. Bluetooth headphones have their own inbuilt DAC that they use to process sound when they receive audio in the form of digital signal via Bluetooth from the phone. Then by using their internal inbuilt DAC they convert that Digital signal to Analog signal.
Second of all, are you even serious when you rate Huawei P20/P20 pro sound as great ? Huawei/Honor phones have one of the weakest audio performance out there. Puny amp, okayish DAC, nothing more. Similar is the case with P20/pro.
"P20 is a phone with a DAC !" Which phone isn't the one with DAC? Every phone has one. Some use inbuilt one inside their processors, some employ custom ones for better sound fidelity.
"DAC/DTS works for headphones too!" DAC doesn't work for Bluetooth headphones, it's just that 5z allows to change sound settings of Bluetooth headphones from phone's stock settings. It by no way means that phone's DAC is being involved in Bluetooth headphones. It's simply not possible.
And DAC and DTS aren't the same things either that they can be written interchangeably.
I hope it helps. I by no way mean that 5z has bad audio quality but just corrected some of the things that weren't correct.
I frequently use aux in my car and this is the first device that doesn’t make distortion in sound during high volume. I love it. My car sound system is like concert place now.
The whole Hi-Res audio thing is mainly just marketing and playback support, less to do with the actual quality of the DAC and amp. Nowadays most smartphones can play 24-bit audio at high sample rates (eg. 192kHz). Sony marketed that for many years but their phones kept using on-board Qualcomm DACs with low output voltage (~0.35V from Z5 to XZ Premium). I have the Z5 and I think it's audio quality is good for IEMs but it can't drive some larger headphones very well.
ASUS says there's smart amplifiers but those seem to be for the speakers rather than the headphone. PhoneArena did a review recently and measured the output voltage of the headphone jack to be only 0.252V! That's even lower than the Sony Xperia XZ Premium (0.36V). Of course it's not the end-all, but a higher output voltage would be better at driving higher impedance headphones.
Some users talk about EQ modes sounding better but these things can't improve the quality of the hardware's output (eg. distortion and stereo crosstalk). All they can do is alter the tuning to your preference.
The DAC on the 5Z is just ok ; not audiophile grade by any yard stick . It struggles with high impedance proper headphones like ATH
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
wGRV said:
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
FYL21 said:
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
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M30x ..
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Rahul 2007 said:
You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Yeah the DTS headphone X is a gimmick ..
I think there is presently no phone in the market which will come near LG V20, G6, V30 and G7 headphone audio performance, particularly with respect to driving high impedance ear/head phones. Actually, I am searching for another brand other than LG which will give a similar high end audio performance. I have a V20 and partnering that with my Sony MDR 7506 headphones or Venture Electronics MonkPlus earbuds (both having impedance around 60 ohms), the sound quality is awesome which I never found in other smartphones.
Andrew Lin said:
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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Just sold my LG v30+ due to screen ghosting issues and bought the 5z.
The DAC is good for headphones.
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
All these phones are nothing compared to a vibe p1 on resurrection remix
I have LG v20 and in the hopes of gettin listening to mind-blowing awesome sound, I bought FiiO music player and I couldn't get satisfied on anything. Poweramp on LG always destroys low end or certain frequencies (usually male voice) when pushed a little hard and when not pushed, there's no low end to talk about at all. FiiO has no low end frequency at all.
The only thing that came have a little satisfaction was my good old Lenovo Vibe p1 on resurrection remix. Seeing how you guys are rating LG v20 as great or the best, is there something I'm not doing to get the best out of it? I've tried it on earphones, Bluetooth etc but it just doesn't cut it.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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May be it can drive .. but I find the audio fidelity not that great compared to even the A1 . Music just doesn't sound wholesome .
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i owned lg g6 and the 5z audio quality is not that bad by any means, it's quite OK by 2018 smartphone standard, with it's gimmicky features such as dtx, hi res audio support , etc.
the LG quad dac is the king in the smartphone audio for now, but again, the 5z audio quality is not bad, unless you are very picky about audio quality,
even lg g6 / v30 dac chip still can't compete with my iBasso dx150.
if you never use a true hi res audio player before, the 5z audio quality will be just fine for you.
even for me imho, it's good enough.
Hello everyone,
Does anybody know which type of USB-C audio Xiaomi went with for the F3?
Do they use the internal DAC of the SD870 or is the included adapter actually "active" with its own DAC?
I am using the 3.5mm jack of my F1 quite a lot and if they went with the active adapter solution I am expecting a drop in quality.
Br,
I can't answer your question precisely, but this might help: I have plugged a Huawei passive adapter (CM20) in my Poco F3 and it works...
Well this is at the very least a strong indication that the internal DAC is used.
Thank you very much for trying this, then we should actually see decent sound quality on the F3
You're welcome.
I used my Sennheiser Momentum On-Ear and was pleased with the sound. Your tastes may vary.
I'm not sure I will try to install Viper4Arise on this phone...
Renegade661 said:
You're welcome.
I used my Sennheiser Momentum On-Ear and was pleased with the sound. Your tastes may vary.
I'm not sure I will try to install Viper4Arise on this phone...
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That's great to hear that you are satisfied with the sound, can't wait to receive my F3
If the F3 can drive the Momentum On-Ears it surely can drive my more budget oriented SoundMagic E11 in-ears
I will stick to the stock OS until the security updates run dry, then switch over to Lineage OS.
Don't want to break MIUI with any sound mod
Hi, someone was able to connect the headphones by TWS plus?
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Hi, someone was able to connect the headphones by TWS plus?
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The POCO F3 does not support aptX TWS+
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Jing Arjay87 said:
The POCO F3 does not support aptX TWS+
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This is a software limitation. The processor and modem are supported. Therefore, I ask.
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This is a software limitation. The processor and modem are supported. Therefore, I ask.
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This phone is advertised as a flagship killer not as a flagship one, so some limitations in hardware and software are normal. Xiaomi does not wanna really kill their flagship phones, obviously
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This is a software limitation. The processor and modem are supported. Therefore, I ask.
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Processor and modem are not the only components that can bring support to a certain feature. Maybe the F3 is lacking RF front ends with TWS+ support? Maybe the F3 doesn't have enough antennas for TWS+ support? I don't know the exact reason why the F3 doesn't have TWS+ support but these are my guesses.
Jing Arjay87 said:
Processor and modem are not the only components that can bring support to a certain feature. Maybe the F3 is lacking RF front ends with TWS+ support? Maybe the F3 doesn't have enough antennas for TWS+ support? I don't know the exact reason why the F3 doesn't have TWS+ support but these are my guesses.
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Kind of absurd though since Poco F2 Pro supported aptx tws+, even the Mi 10t which I would consider in the same mid-flagship-bracket.
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Even the older Mi 9t supports tws+ lol
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I received today my Haylou Gt1 XR, which supports aptx tws+, and it is only detected as "aptX" on bluetooth.
One earbud is draining faster as it does not utilize the independent master-slave...
I wonder if there's any chance that Poco will add it
There's an option in developer settings. Just try to force it. Maybe the device default(auto) setting has problems.
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There's an option in developer settings. Just try to force it. Maybe the device default(auto) setting has problems.
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Is it working on your end (aptX TWS+)?
I already tried every option in that and most is not changing (reverting if I closed developer's option), I'm guessing because the codec is not supported by either my Poco F3 or the wireless buds.
What's working on this list is SBC, AAC, and aptX audio. The TWS+ does not work (though it should be as it's in the product description, and I've seen a Mi 10t with my same buds use it).
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Kind of absurd though since Poco F2 Pro supported aptx tws+, even the Mi 10t which I would consider in the same mid-flagship-bracket.
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I received today my Haylou Gt1 XR, which supports aptx tws+, and it is only detected as "aptX" on bluetooth.
One earbud is draining faster as it does not utilize the independent master-slave...
I wonder if there's any chance that Poco will add it
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Probably not, Redmi K40 users in China asked for TWS+ support but Xiaomi didn't add the feature. Yeah still ****ed that the 9T and 10T supports it while the F3 doesn't. Who knows why it isn't supported.
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There's an option in developer settings. Just try to force it. Maybe the device default(auto) setting has problems.
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Forcing it doesn't work, the option is there but the codec isn't there. The lack of TWS+ is confirmed by Xiaomi too.
Jing Arjay87 said:
Forcing it doesn't work, the option is there but the codec isn't there. The lack of TWS+ is confirmed by Xiaomi too.
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If it's a software limitation, can custom roms support TWS+?
Has anyone here tried TWS+ earphones on custom roms?
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If it's a software limitation, can custom roms support TWS+?
Has anyone here tried TWS+ earphones on custom roms?
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Not sure, no idea how aptX works in custom ROMs. But I still feel like it's a hardware limitation, afterall why would the previous phones support it while the F3 doesn't?
I am currently waiting for my poco f3 to arrive. Upgrading from the legendary f1 btw. My f1 (pixel exp+ rom) supports aptx tws+. I am also using the haylou gt1 xr. It is shame to know that f3 does not support tws+ (for now?).
tested F3 with SOny WF-1000XM3 it does show aptx HD on bluetooth menu, but not quite sure it produce the quality of aptxHD, (not much different form regular tws)
so instead using tws i choose to use mu usb c dac (ibasso DC03)
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tested F3 with SOny WF-1000XM3 it does show aptx HD on bluetooth menu, but not quite sure it produce the quality of aptxHD, (not much different form regular tws)
so instead using tws i choose to use mu usb c dac (ibasso DC03)
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Try forcing SBC or standard aptX codec in dev settings and see if it sounds worse than aptX HD. Btw do you think the audio through your DAC sounds better than the standard audio adapter provided in the box?
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Try forcing SBC or standard aptX codec in dev settings and see if it sounds worse than aptX HD. Btw do you think the audio through your DAC sounds better than the standard audio adapter provided in the box?
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offcourse it's better that standard converter, if you never use external dac...then probably what i'm saying.. you wouldn't understand. as in audio adapter from xiaomi just converter that it nothing more
even on cheapest dac available on market still produce better audio quality
the different with ibasso dc03 you'll get clearer sound, way more detailed sound & on some bass also stroenger (depend on music style)
out there also other usb c dac such as Hidizs S9, AK (Astell & Kern), Shanling UA series, etc the first 2 (Hidizs & AK) i've tested those & it give me even better detail than ibasso.
as for SBC... on my ear this produce the same as non tws (standard usb converter to 3,5mm), also dev opt setting that doesn't do much when try to set on tws (both apthd or sbc)
1 thing that still can't tested it (more kind of i don't own the tws) is LDAC set on dev opt...maybe later when i somehow own WF-1000XM4
note: i use CIEM (Avara Neo) when i play music, also my music file is both Flac & Mp3 320KBPS, also when i tested using IEM that have mic control builtin...the audio quality not much good compare to non mic IEM
card-us said:
offcourse it's better that standard converter, if you never use external dac...then probably what i'm saying.. you wouldn't understand. as in audio adapter from xiaomi just converter that it nothing more
even on cheapest dac available on market still produce better audio quality
the different with ibasso dc03 you'll get clearer sound, way more detailed sound & on some bass also stroenger (depend on music style)
out there also other usb c dac such as Hidizs S9, AK (Astell & Kern), Shanling UA series, etc the first 2 (Hidizs & AK) i've tested those & it give me even better detail than ibasso.
as for SBC... on my ear this produce the same as non tws (standard usb converter to 3,5mm), also dev opt setting that doesn't do much when try to set on tws (both apthd or sbc)
1 thing that still can't tested it (more kind of i don't own the tws) is LDAC set on dev opt...maybe later when i somehow own WF-1000XM4
note: i use CIEM (Avara Neo) when i play music, also my music file is both Flac & Mp3 320KBPS, also when i tested using IEM that have mic control builtin...the audio quality not much good compare to non mic IEM
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I was considering buying a cheap DAC with a ALC5686 to try, but haven't bought it as I wasn't sure if external DACs would work and sound better on the F3, thanks for confirming.
But does using ext DACs still allow you to use Mi Sound eq?
Your ibasso has like a really good Cirrus logic chip so it's quite expensive.. audiophile gear is crazy.
Jing Arjay87 said:
I was considering buying a cheap DAC with a ALC5686 to try, but haven't bought it as I wasn't sure if external DACs would work and sound better on the F3, thanks for confirming.
But does using ext DACs still allow you to use Mi Sound eq?
Your ibasso has like a really good Cirrus logic chip so it's quite expensive.. audiophile gear is crazy.
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no... don't use Mi Sound EQ..it will literally ruin your music sound, as for me i use spotify with no eq..just running default sound (or if you insist using eq, use bulit in spotify). Hiby (free) & Onkyo HF Player (Paid) (if you want to enjoy usb output/dac )
i got my ibasso on not so expensive ones form lokal online shop (indonesia-tokopedia) at price of IDR 850.000 ( +- $56,7 ) compare to hidizs & AK both of them cost +- $120
i also have small/compact usb dac with realtek 5686 (i think it's same as your plan ALC 5686) (price only +-$5) that also confirmed working on F3 & it give me boost 40% volume, actually most usb dac will work if the phone support usb otg & some of dac are require the phone to be non without 3,5mm jack...
if by any chance you buy usb dac, 1 thing you'll notice is the volume. for exp: on normal/standar dongle you maybe use say...75% volume, then plug any dac it will make use only around 25-40% of your normal volume (depend on the dac you use).
usb dac give a lot advantage regarding music listening, but not all dac support phone call/remote IEM (my ibasso dc03 doesn't supoort for call at all)
that's where TWS came... some tws support high res audio & still have full support for phone call.
card-us said:
no... don't use Mi Sound EQ..it will literally ruin your music sound, as for me i use spotify with no eq..just running default sound (or if you insist using eq, use bulit in spotify). Hiby (free) & Onkyo HF Player (Paid) (if you want to enjoy usb output/dac )
i got my ibasso on not so expensive ones form lokal online shop (indonesia-tokopedia) at price of IDR 850.000 ( +- $56,7 ) compare to hidizs & AK both of them cost +- $120
i also have small/compact usb dac with realtek 5686 (i think it's same as your plan ALC 5686) (price only +-$5) that also confirmed working on F3 & it give me boost 40% volume, actually most usb dac will work if the phone support usb otg & some of dac are require the phone to be non without 3,5mm jack...
if by any chance you buy usb dac, 1 thing you'll notice is the volume. for exp: on normal/standar dongle you maybe use say...75% volume, then plug any dac it will make use only around 25-40% of your normal volume (depend on the dac you use).
usb dac give a lot advantage regarding music listening, but not all dac support phone call/remote IEM (my ibasso dc03 doesn't supoort for call at all)
that's where TWS came... some tws support high res audio & still have full support for phone call.
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I don't use eq for headphones, I want to use it for a specific purpose. I actually used to have a DAC with a conexant chip and supposedly it should work on my old Mi 5s Plus but it didn't, so I was skeptical when I wanted to buy one for my F3. But now I did some research and found out the conexant chip in that DAC is apparently mediocre so I chose one with the realtek chip this time.
How does your DAC with realtek 5686 compare to your ibasso? The one i'm looking at is probably same as yours, no cables just like a oversized plug.
The ibasso is expensive for me now, might look into it if a DAC makes an audible difference to me. Thanks for the all suggestions.
Jing Arjay87 said:
I don't use eq for headphones, I want to use it for a specific purpose. I actually used to have a DAC with a conexant chip and supposedly it should work on my old Mi 5s Plus but it didn't, so I was skeptical when I wanted to buy one for my F3. But now I did some research and found out the conexant chip in that DAC is apparently mediocre so I chose one with the realtek chip this time.
How does your DAC with realtek 5686 compare to your ibasso? The one i'm looking at is probably same as yours, no cables just like a oversized plug.
The ibasso is expensive for me now, might look into it if a DAC makes an audible difference to me. Thanks for the all suggestions.
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Realtek 5686 gives boost on volume from what used when just dongle on 75% to only 25-30% (depend on the music) not much else produce on this tiny dac dongle (yep oversized plug) a very smal detail came up, it has bass boost but not much.
ibasso dc03 volume well some improvement from realtek (mine jcally brand) also it has standallone apps (for hardware volume control only) but the diferent came on detail, ibasso/hidizs/AK produce way more detail, i used clip form youttube ACDC - Thunderstruck (live version) in this video the different between jcally vs ibasso etc is a lot, especially the detail.
since i already like SQL a long time ago, that reason why i decidec to have usb dac (other that the fact still found the best tws for my ear)
as for dac compability, i can asure that even on old RN9P (this still has 3,5mm jack) i can used those dac perfectly & the sound is way much better than 3,5mm itself
it's all came back to what you want, if you want simplicity the go tws...there are many high quality tws (xiaomi/redmi tws not so much...not that good sound based on my ear, better be looking for 1more), or if your little complicated (wired stuff) the you can go usb dac.
Note: if you just want to hear lil bit clearer or louder music use that tiny dongle relatek dac (any brand that cheap).
even now i still find it hard for android to play my DSD or FLAC at their highest spec (since android by deafult lock output on 16Bit/44.1KHz.... this where the dac came (preferably normal dac/amp with usb c connector) but the limitation goes into android apps, as not much out there that support high res
known apps for high res player:
USB Audio Player, Onkyo HF Music, AIMP, Foobar 2000, Hiby, Tidal (must subscribe & mostly need vpn to use it)