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[email protected] said:
Hi, someone was able to connect the headphones by TWS plus?
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The POCO F3 does not support aptX TWS+
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Jing Arjay87 said:
The POCO F3 does not support aptX TWS+
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This is a software limitation. The processor and modem are supported. Therefore, I ask.
[email protected] said:
This is a software limitation. The processor and modem are supported. Therefore, I ask.
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This phone is advertised as a flagship killer not as a flagship one, so some limitations in hardware and software are normal. Xiaomi does not wanna really kill their flagship phones, obviously
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This is a software limitation. The processor and modem are supported. Therefore, I ask.
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Processor and modem are not the only components that can bring support to a certain feature. Maybe the F3 is lacking RF front ends with TWS+ support? Maybe the F3 doesn't have enough antennas for TWS+ support? I don't know the exact reason why the F3 doesn't have TWS+ support but these are my guesses.
Jing Arjay87 said:
Processor and modem are not the only components that can bring support to a certain feature. Maybe the F3 is lacking RF front ends with TWS+ support? Maybe the F3 doesn't have enough antennas for TWS+ support? I don't know the exact reason why the F3 doesn't have TWS+ support but these are my guesses.
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Kind of absurd though since Poco F2 Pro supported aptx tws+, even the Mi 10t which I would consider in the same mid-flagship-bracket.
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Even the older Mi 9t supports tws+ lol
[email protected] said:
Hi, someone was able to connect the headphones by TWS plus?
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I received today my Haylou Gt1 XR, which supports aptx tws+, and it is only detected as "aptX" on bluetooth.
One earbud is draining faster as it does not utilize the independent master-slave...
I wonder if there's any chance that Poco will add it
There's an option in developer settings. Just try to force it. Maybe the device default(auto) setting has problems.
opaw23 said:
There's an option in developer settings. Just try to force it. Maybe the device default(auto) setting has problems.
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Is it working on your end (aptX TWS+)?
I already tried every option in that and most is not changing (reverting if I closed developer's option), I'm guessing because the codec is not supported by either my Poco F3 or the wireless buds.
What's working on this list is SBC, AAC, and aptX audio. The TWS+ does not work (though it should be as it's in the product description, and I've seen a Mi 10t with my same buds use it).
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Kind of absurd though since Poco F2 Pro supported aptx tws+, even the Mi 10t which I would consider in the same mid-flagship-bracket.
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I received today my Haylou Gt1 XR, which supports aptx tws+, and it is only detected as "aptX" on bluetooth.
One earbud is draining faster as it does not utilize the independent master-slave...
I wonder if there's any chance that Poco will add it
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Probably not, Redmi K40 users in China asked for TWS+ support but Xiaomi didn't add the feature. Yeah still ****ed that the 9T and 10T supports it while the F3 doesn't. Who knows why it isn't supported.
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There's an option in developer settings. Just try to force it. Maybe the device default(auto) setting has problems.
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Forcing it doesn't work, the option is there but the codec isn't there. The lack of TWS+ is confirmed by Xiaomi too.
Jing Arjay87 said:
Forcing it doesn't work, the option is there but the codec isn't there. The lack of TWS+ is confirmed by Xiaomi too.
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If it's a software limitation, can custom roms support TWS+?
Has anyone here tried TWS+ earphones on custom roms?
qrntn2020 said:
If it's a software limitation, can custom roms support TWS+?
Has anyone here tried TWS+ earphones on custom roms?
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Not sure, no idea how aptX works in custom ROMs. But I still feel like it's a hardware limitation, afterall why would the previous phones support it while the F3 doesn't?
I am currently waiting for my poco f3 to arrive. Upgrading from the legendary f1 btw. My f1 (pixel exp+ rom) supports aptx tws+. I am also using the haylou gt1 xr. It is shame to know that f3 does not support tws+ (for now?).
tested F3 with SOny WF-1000XM3 it does show aptx HD on bluetooth menu, but not quite sure it produce the quality of aptxHD, (not much different form regular tws)
so instead using tws i choose to use mu usb c dac (ibasso DC03)
card-us said:
tested F3 with SOny WF-1000XM3 it does show aptx HD on bluetooth menu, but not quite sure it produce the quality of aptxHD, (not much different form regular tws)
so instead using tws i choose to use mu usb c dac (ibasso DC03)
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Try forcing SBC or standard aptX codec in dev settings and see if it sounds worse than aptX HD. Btw do you think the audio through your DAC sounds better than the standard audio adapter provided in the box?
Jing Arjay87 said:
Try forcing SBC or standard aptX codec in dev settings and see if it sounds worse than aptX HD. Btw do you think the audio through your DAC sounds better than the standard audio adapter provided in the box?
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offcourse it's better that standard converter, if you never use external dac...then probably what i'm saying.. you wouldn't understand. as in audio adapter from xiaomi just converter that it nothing more
even on cheapest dac available on market still produce better audio quality
the different with ibasso dc03 you'll get clearer sound, way more detailed sound & on some bass also stroenger (depend on music style)
out there also other usb c dac such as Hidizs S9, AK (Astell & Kern), Shanling UA series, etc the first 2 (Hidizs & AK) i've tested those & it give me even better detail than ibasso.
as for SBC... on my ear this produce the same as non tws (standard usb converter to 3,5mm), also dev opt setting that doesn't do much when try to set on tws (both apthd or sbc)
1 thing that still can't tested it (more kind of i don't own the tws) is LDAC set on dev opt...maybe later when i somehow own WF-1000XM4
note: i use CIEM (Avara Neo) when i play music, also my music file is both Flac & Mp3 320KBPS, also when i tested using IEM that have mic control builtin...the audio quality not much good compare to non mic IEM
card-us said:
offcourse it's better that standard converter, if you never use external dac...then probably what i'm saying.. you wouldn't understand. as in audio adapter from xiaomi just converter that it nothing more
even on cheapest dac available on market still produce better audio quality
the different with ibasso dc03 you'll get clearer sound, way more detailed sound & on some bass also stroenger (depend on music style)
out there also other usb c dac such as Hidizs S9, AK (Astell & Kern), Shanling UA series, etc the first 2 (Hidizs & AK) i've tested those & it give me even better detail than ibasso.
as for SBC... on my ear this produce the same as non tws (standard usb converter to 3,5mm), also dev opt setting that doesn't do much when try to set on tws (both apthd or sbc)
1 thing that still can't tested it (more kind of i don't own the tws) is LDAC set on dev opt...maybe later when i somehow own WF-1000XM4
note: i use CIEM (Avara Neo) when i play music, also my music file is both Flac & Mp3 320KBPS, also when i tested using IEM that have mic control builtin...the audio quality not much good compare to non mic IEM
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I was considering buying a cheap DAC with a ALC5686 to try, but haven't bought it as I wasn't sure if external DACs would work and sound better on the F3, thanks for confirming.
But does using ext DACs still allow you to use Mi Sound eq?
Your ibasso has like a really good Cirrus logic chip so it's quite expensive.. audiophile gear is crazy.
Jing Arjay87 said:
I was considering buying a cheap DAC with a ALC5686 to try, but haven't bought it as I wasn't sure if external DACs would work and sound better on the F3, thanks for confirming.
But does using ext DACs still allow you to use Mi Sound eq?
Your ibasso has like a really good Cirrus logic chip so it's quite expensive.. audiophile gear is crazy.
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no... don't use Mi Sound EQ..it will literally ruin your music sound, as for me i use spotify with no eq..just running default sound (or if you insist using eq, use bulit in spotify). Hiby (free) & Onkyo HF Player (Paid) (if you want to enjoy usb output/dac )
i got my ibasso on not so expensive ones form lokal online shop (indonesia-tokopedia) at price of IDR 850.000 ( +- $56,7 ) compare to hidizs & AK both of them cost +- $120
i also have small/compact usb dac with realtek 5686 (i think it's same as your plan ALC 5686) (price only +-$5) that also confirmed working on F3 & it give me boost 40% volume, actually most usb dac will work if the phone support usb otg & some of dac are require the phone to be non without 3,5mm jack...
if by any chance you buy usb dac, 1 thing you'll notice is the volume. for exp: on normal/standar dongle you maybe use say...75% volume, then plug any dac it will make use only around 25-40% of your normal volume (depend on the dac you use).
usb dac give a lot advantage regarding music listening, but not all dac support phone call/remote IEM (my ibasso dc03 doesn't supoort for call at all)
that's where TWS came... some tws support high res audio & still have full support for phone call.
card-us said:
no... don't use Mi Sound EQ..it will literally ruin your music sound, as for me i use spotify with no eq..just running default sound (or if you insist using eq, use bulit in spotify). Hiby (free) & Onkyo HF Player (Paid) (if you want to enjoy usb output/dac )
i got my ibasso on not so expensive ones form lokal online shop (indonesia-tokopedia) at price of IDR 850.000 ( +- $56,7 ) compare to hidizs & AK both of them cost +- $120
i also have small/compact usb dac with realtek 5686 (i think it's same as your plan ALC 5686) (price only +-$5) that also confirmed working on F3 & it give me boost 40% volume, actually most usb dac will work if the phone support usb otg & some of dac are require the phone to be non without 3,5mm jack...
if by any chance you buy usb dac, 1 thing you'll notice is the volume. for exp: on normal/standar dongle you maybe use say...75% volume, then plug any dac it will make use only around 25-40% of your normal volume (depend on the dac you use).
usb dac give a lot advantage regarding music listening, but not all dac support phone call/remote IEM (my ibasso dc03 doesn't supoort for call at all)
that's where TWS came... some tws support high res audio & still have full support for phone call.
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I don't use eq for headphones, I want to use it for a specific purpose. I actually used to have a DAC with a conexant chip and supposedly it should work on my old Mi 5s Plus but it didn't, so I was skeptical when I wanted to buy one for my F3. But now I did some research and found out the conexant chip in that DAC is apparently mediocre so I chose one with the realtek chip this time.
How does your DAC with realtek 5686 compare to your ibasso? The one i'm looking at is probably same as yours, no cables just like a oversized plug.
The ibasso is expensive for me now, might look into it if a DAC makes an audible difference to me. Thanks for the all suggestions.
Jing Arjay87 said:
I don't use eq for headphones, I want to use it for a specific purpose. I actually used to have a DAC with a conexant chip and supposedly it should work on my old Mi 5s Plus but it didn't, so I was skeptical when I wanted to buy one for my F3. But now I did some research and found out the conexant chip in that DAC is apparently mediocre so I chose one with the realtek chip this time.
How does your DAC with realtek 5686 compare to your ibasso? The one i'm looking at is probably same as yours, no cables just like a oversized plug.
The ibasso is expensive for me now, might look into it if a DAC makes an audible difference to me. Thanks for the all suggestions.
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Realtek 5686 gives boost on volume from what used when just dongle on 75% to only 25-30% (depend on the music) not much else produce on this tiny dac dongle (yep oversized plug) a very smal detail came up, it has bass boost but not much.
ibasso dc03 volume well some improvement from realtek (mine jcally brand) also it has standallone apps (for hardware volume control only) but the diferent came on detail, ibasso/hidizs/AK produce way more detail, i used clip form youttube ACDC - Thunderstruck (live version) in this video the different between jcally vs ibasso etc is a lot, especially the detail.
since i already like SQL a long time ago, that reason why i decidec to have usb dac (other that the fact still found the best tws for my ear)
as for dac compability, i can asure that even on old RN9P (this still has 3,5mm jack) i can used those dac perfectly & the sound is way much better than 3,5mm itself
it's all came back to what you want, if you want simplicity the go tws...there are many high quality tws (xiaomi/redmi tws not so much...not that good sound based on my ear, better be looking for 1more), or if your little complicated (wired stuff) the you can go usb dac.
Note: if you just want to hear lil bit clearer or louder music use that tiny dongle relatek dac (any brand that cheap).
even now i still find it hard for android to play my DSD or FLAC at their highest spec (since android by deafult lock output on 16Bit/44.1KHz.... this where the dac came (preferably normal dac/amp with usb c connector) but the limitation goes into android apps, as not much out there that support high res
known apps for high res player:
USB Audio Player, Onkyo HF Music, AIMP, Foobar 2000, Hiby, Tidal (must subscribe & mostly need vpn to use it)
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This is a review of HiFimeDIY Sabre Android DAC. http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=124
As many of you probably noticed, I have been focusing a lot lately on headphones and portable DAC/Amp/DAP reviews. There is no denial, our smartphones becoming our personal entertainment center to watch tv shows and movies, to play video games, to listen to music, to stream social media, and so on. The smartphones get bigger, more powerful, and have better displays. But one thing still remains the same - the sound delivery is nowhere near a hi-fi quality. For those who are OK with a pair of $10 earbuds, this will not be an issue because you will not hear a difference. But for others who value a sound quality and have an audiophile collection of headphones - you are limited by a sub-par internal DAC which takes a raw digital audio data and converts it to analog signal delivered to headphone jack inside of your phone. This is a not a clean solution to drive a quality headphones. Fortunately, there is a number of portable mobile DACs and amplifiers. Some can connect to your micro-USB port to receive a raw digital audio data for external processing, while others can take output of your headphone jack and process it through external amplifier. Unfortunately with a combined DAC/amp device you don't have a flexibility to use a different amplifier, and driving an external amp from headphone jack will mean amplifying already processed audio signal. That's where HiFimeDIY Android DAC comes to the rescue!
I wasn't even aware of this product until someone mentioned to me in the forum with a request to review it. This Android DAC is a very compact solution of bringing your digital audio outside of your phone to be processed with an external DAC. Using PCM2706 USB receiver which accepts up to 48kHz/16bit audio and also a popular Sabre ES9023 DAC chip, you get a clean analog conversion of the extracted digital audio signal brought out to 3.5mm port. You can connect your headphones directly, but that's not the main intent of this product. Just for the purpose of using headphones without amplifier, I'm not sure if it makes sense to add another dongle to your phone. But if you want to drive your high impedance headphones from a portable amplifier or want to connect your phone to a high class audio system - this little gadget for under $30 will be a perfect solution! One thing to mention, since it doesn't have built in rechargeable battery, it will source a power from your phone, but I haven't noticed any major drain.
The analog output from this Android DAC sounds relatively clean and neutral. I tested and compared it to my Note 2 headphone output, and you can really hear a difference at higher volume where Note 2 DAC starts to saturate while Sabre is still clean. Of course, you can always go with a fully integrated solution such as I have with FiiO E18 or Beyerdynamic A200p, but that cost anywhere from $160 to $300 and more. I don't have any dedicated headphone amps to test with now (never had a need since I have all low impedance headphones), but hopefully will update my review in a near future when I get one. Overall, with HiFimeDIY Sabre Android DAC you have more flexibility and can pick your own amplifier to match your favorite set of headphones with your smartphone.
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I use this in my car, definitely better than using the headphone out. I also have the Fiio E17, which I prefer, but it's too much hassle for my car setup.
Nice clean setup!!!
Interesting review.
Have you tried with latest KitKat roms?
When you connect you headphones, will the volume change with volume keys?
How is the sound when connected with an external amplifier? Have you tried to compare it to a good CD player?
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As many of you probably noticed, I have been focusing a lot lately on headphones and portable DAC/Amp/DAP reviews.
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Sorry, I forgot to ask you where did you buy the item. I've found it on eBay.
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Yes, you should be able to change the volume. What it does is bypasses your phone's "dirty" DAC so the signal doesn't get converted internally (digital to analog), and rather comes out digitally through micro-usb connector to this external "clean" DAC.
Sorry, I'm all stock Android 4.4.2 on my Note 2. And you can buy it directly from their website (per link in my review) or probable ebay, though make sure it's a legitimate seller because ebay has a lot of fake stuff. I received mine directly from HiFimeDIY as a review sample.
vectron said:
Yes, you should be able to change the volume. What it does is bypasses your phone's "dirty" DAC so the signal doesn't get converted internally (digital to analog), and rather comes out digitally through micro-usb connector to this external "clean" DAC.
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My S4i are designed for iPhone but the middle button still works on my Android phone. However, it isn't working with my new HiFimeDIY Android DAC. I have a single-button cable for IM70 coming in the mail so I'll post my findings with that. I'll be really disappointed if I can't use controls with this since it improves the sound so much on my Moto X.
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My S4i are designed for iPhone but the middle button still works on my Android phone. However, it isn't working with my new HiFimeDIY Android DAC. I have a single-button cable for IM70 coming in the mail so I'll post my findings with that. I'll be really disappointed if I can't use controls with this since it improves the sound so much on my Moto X.
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It's NOT supposed to work. When you push remote button on your S4i or IM70, it sends a special signal to headphone jack of your phone to control the playback or call, etc. That's why those headphones connectors have TRRS connector - Tip Ring Ring Sleeve. HiFimeDIY headphone connector is TRS (Tip Ring Sleeve) so that special control signal will not be decoded back to your phone through micro-usb connection (it's lost). That connection is for AUDIO only, while your headphones send audio and data (control).
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It's NOT supposed to work. When you push remote button on your S4i or IM70, it sends a special signal to headphone jack of your phone to control the playback or call, etc. That's why those headphones connectors have TRRS connector - Tip Ring Ring Sleeve. HiFimeDIY headphone connector is TRS (Tip Ring Sleeve) so that special control signal will not be decoded back to your phone through micro-usb connection (it's lost). That connection is for AUDIO only, while your headphones send audio and data (control).
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UGH. If I've learned one thing in my recent foray into audio equipment, it's that you have to make tradeoffs. If I want quality audio, I have to pull my phone out of my pocket every time I want to pause, change volume, or skip to the next track. How do we have hoverboards and magic pocket computers and virtual reality but we don't have this!? This is why people use iPhones. For the added features Android provides, you need to be okay with a lot of things not working or being subpar (like DACs and audio controls). Also, maybe you should have mentioned that (unless I just missed it)?
Does yours have a loose USB connection? Mine can slip out.
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Does yours have a loose USB connection? Mine can slip out.
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Unfortunately, it does. Stay tuned, I'm posting a review of Cozoy Astrapi in a few minutes
I'm noticing a trend. You seem to not mention negatives in your review.
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I'm noticing a trend. You seem to not mention negatives in your review.
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Negatives come from a comparison of one product vs the other. Read my Cozoy Astrapi review, you will see negatives about HiFimeDIY If I don't like a product, I simply don't review it. If I like a product, I will describe it in details so you can make your own judgment. And sometime I get very impressed with "positives" about the product, but rest assured - if you read my reviews carefully, I point out negatives as well. Just that my format is not like other reviewers where they make a list of positives and negatives. Plus, in my opinion, a lot of negatives come from an extended use of the product after you get to know it better lol!!! Unfortunately, I have written hundreds of reviews and it will be next to impossible to come back to every review with a follow up impressions. Thus, I'm depending on you guys to ask me questions
One more thing. I'm not working for a website or a blog where they give me to review products, and I review to decide if I like it or not. I do my own research and contact companies of products that I like and want to review. That also makes a difference on a more positive outlook of my reviews
HI all
I have a hifime for android and it works great with my moto G.
I recently got a Huawei Honor 6 phone which supports OTG USB (i can plug a USB key trhough the USB port and read files like movies)
Now when i plug the hifime dac, it does'nt work. The led is green but doesn't deliver any sound...
I though the requierement was to support USB OTG only... Kind of desapointed.
Any tricks?
Thanks!
K
kalapyu said:
HI all
I have a hifime for android and it works great with my moto G.
I recently got a Huawei Honor 6 phone which supports OTG USB (i can plug a USB key trhough the USB port and read files like movies)
Now when i plug the hifime dac, it does'nt work. The led is green but doesn't deliver any sound...
I though the requierement was to support USB OTG only... Kind of desapointed.
Any tricks?
Thanks!
K
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Also has to do with Android version, in case if they customized it.
So what should i do? Is there any fix ? Busybox? Firmware? Kernel ? What about cm?
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So what should i do? Is there any fix ? Busybox? Firmware? Kernel ? What about cm?
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I would probably contact hifimediy to ask what they can recommend. Sorry
Also, try this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro (scroll down, they have a link to a limit demo version). It has its "own" built in drivers to send audio over usb. See if this going to help.
Hi all,
Just wanted to put a thread together to talk around the audio capabilities of the HTC 10. From what I can see, the audio is split up into a couple of different areas:
1) Good quality internal hardware (DAC and separate amps for speakers and earphone),
2) Powerful two way speaker setup,
3) Better than normal earphones to take advantage of the hardware, and
4) Good quality software with the Personal Audio Profile System.
5) There is also Airplay support for those with 3rd party airplay speakers.
What hardware are people currently using (earphones, headphones, portable amps, portable usb DAC's)? When the phone is released, it will be good to get peoples impressions and reviews. Also to understand how different hardware affects those experiences (ie. different earphones work better or worse with this phone)??? Also, could this phone be good enough to take you away from dedicated hardware you might have (proper portable music players)?
One thing that I have noted which I haven't seen noted anywhere else is the Personal Audio Profile System being the same as what Aumeo has/is coming out with with their device (click here).
I personally have a couple of pairs of AKG over ear headphones and a pair of Flare R2Pro in-ear phones. Once I get my HTC, I will compare them with the hi-res ear-phones they come with and share my thoughts.
Open questions:
1) What DAC's are being used? What is inbuilt from Qualcomm or specialist 3rd party hardware?
2) What type of 3.5mm connector is being used (AHJ or OMTP), we believe AHJ based on previous HTC phones but could do with confirming)
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Hi all,
Just wanted to put a thread together to talk around the audio capabilities of the HTC 10. From what I can see, the audio is split up into a couple of different areas: 1) Good quality internal hardware (DAC and separate amps for speakers and earphone), 2) Powerful two way speaker setup, 3) better than normal earphones to take advantage of the hardware, and 4) Good quality software with the Personal Audio Profile System. Over these, there is the point that it works with Airplay which has a lot of support in terms of the 3rd party speaker market.
Just curious to see how people feel about the Audio capabilities of the 10 and whether that might be enough to take you away from dedicated hardware if you current use that?
One thing that I have noted which I haven't seen noted anywhere else is the Personal Audio Profile System being the same as what Aumeo has/is coming out with with their device (click here).
I currently have a couple of AKG over ears which I can't drive directly from my LG G4 without having a portable amp in the middle. I also have a pair of Flare R2Pro in ear phones that are quite hard to drive. Can't wait to test these out with the 10 when it comes out!!!
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The 10 recognizes that you have plugged (wired) earphones into the jack and offers you two options for customization, a 'quick question' method and a more detailed method that requires listening to tones on left then right in different frequency ranges. You then have the option to 'save' the audio profile for those earphones. If you plug a different set of earphones in, the device recognizes it and offers you to use the existing profile or create a new one (you can store multiple profiles). This does not work with BT earphones, by the way.
The sound is superior to anything I've ever heard on any audio device. It can make cheap earphones sound good (although I recommend at least midrange earphones), and with decent earphones (I use a Shure pair) it's terrific.
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The 10 recognizes that you have plugged (wired) earphones into the jack and offers you two options for customization, a 'quick question' method and a more detailed method that requires listening to tones on left then right in different frequency ranges. You then have the option to 'save' the audio profile for those earphones. If you plug a different set of earphones in, the device recognizes it and offers you to use the existing profile or create a new one (you can store multiple profiles). This does not work with BT earphones, by the way.
The sound is superior to anything I've ever heard on any audio device. It can make cheap earphones sound good (although I recommend at least midrange earphones), and with decent earphones (I use a Shure pair) it's terrific.
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That's awesome news that it does this for wired earphones!
Which pair of Shure earphones do you use? And other than these headphones, have you had a chance to try them with any other different sets of earphones?? Have you had a chance to try them with any over ear headphones, ones that might be harder to drive?
Whilst I have your attention. Have you had a play around with different audio formats / qualities? MP3 vs 24bit FLAC to see how much of a difference this makes on this setup?
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Ravi
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That's awesome news that it does this for wired earphones!
Which pair of Shure earphones do you use? And other than these headphones, have you had a chance to try them with any other different sets of earphones?? Have you had a chance to try them with any over ear headphones, ones that might be harder to drive?
Whilst I have your attention. Have you had a play around with different audio formats / qualities? MP3 vs 24bit FLAC to see how much of a difference this makes on this setup?
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Ravi
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I don't drive with earphones on (that's illegal here).
I have used the Personal Audio Profiles on 3 different pairs of earphones; a test set supplied with the test phone, Shure e3c's and an over-the-ear Audio-Technica pair. The Shure's and the test earphones are the best. The test earphones are my current daily (and may well be what comes in the box for some models, but I don't know because they don't tell us).
How do the speakers sound? As good as HTC One M7/8/9? Better?
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I don't drive with earphones on (that's illegal here).
I have used the Personal Audio Profiles on 3 different pairs of earphones; a test set supplied with the test phone, Shure e3c's and an over-the-ear Audio-Technica pair. The Shure's and the test earphones are the best. The test earphones are my current daily (and may well be what comes in the box for some models, but I don't know because they don't tell us).
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Sorry, to clarify when I say 'harder to drive' I mean over ear headphones that have a higher impedance. In this case, on other less powerful music players (or other phones), the headphones sound quiet even at max volume.
Trying to find out if it will have aptx hd enabled but no info. Also air play to aiport to dac should sound pretty decent
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I am excited to see the phones response ranges in a test.
Would be cool to have my vinyl rips playing as good as it can get without a $1000 DAP.
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I am excited to see the phones response ranges in a test.
Would be cool to have my vinyl rips playing as good as it can get without a $1000 DAP.
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Now that the embargo has lifted, I presume we will start seeing more in depth reviews and those should hopefully include more detailed audio tests.
I use a fiio e12 to amp my current phone (LG G4). Nothing fancy but pretty sure the HTC 10 will do much better than that setup now. :victory:
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Trying to find out if it will have aptx hd enabled but no info. Also air play to aiport to dac should sound pretty decent
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I am curious about this too as i will be buying the new lg bluetooth headset.
The audio is one of the main reason why I want this beast!
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Me too! I own a pair of mid-to-top range RHA T10 and I am really anticipating how these will sound with the HTC 10. I am a audiophile and the sound quality is really important to me.
My last two phone's have been the HTC M8 and LG G4. I have found that I use my phone less for music now that I'm using the G4 than the M8 and its because I just enjoy it less. Can't wait to hear how these sound with a good pair of earphones.
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Does anyone know what kind of audio jack standard the HTC 10 will use? Is it AHJ or OMTP?
Then i'll know if I can use the inline controls of my RHA T20i's as currently with my HTC m8.
Edit: Btw - I strongly advise using the Neutron app if you want high-end music. Already supports FLAC but last update also added DSD support for the SACD fanatics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp
Hopefully USB Audio works as well! Have they mentioned that at all?
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Does anyone know what kind of audio jack standard the HTC 10 will use? Is it AHJ or OMTP?
Then i'll know if I can use the inline controls of my RHA T20i's as currently with my HTC m8.
Edit: Btw - I strongly advise using the Neutron app if you want high-end music. Already supports FLAC but last update also added DSD support for the SACD fanatics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp
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Found this.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...87-note-headset-standards-omtp-ahj-apple.html
Says HTC uses AHJ...
rav101 said:
Found this.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...87-note-headset-standards-omtp-ahj-apple.html
Says HTC uses AHJ...
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Why on EARTH is there more than one? This would be standardized now days like USB...
Is the audio upconversion/upsampling BS something that can be disabled from settings?
I am happy with the sound quality of the 10 through the speakers as well as through the jack
What type of DAC is in the HTC 10? Because just amping the Qualcomm native DAC won't result in clean awesome audio, just louder. I'm hoping is cirrus/Wolfson or Ess Sabre premium DAC's
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
Even I am interested in this. The specs talk about Hi-res audio. It has Dual 5-magnet speakers with dual NXP smart amplifiers and PMIC internal dual amplifier according to the specs. Does it really have a DAC or does it only have amplifiers. How is the sound quality. I would really like somebody to post their review.
DAC Performance
I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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The sound is good but not on par with LG g6 for example. LG is way ahead in the sound part.
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I have both LG g6 and g7 but the Zenfone 5Z's sound is the best!!
5z doesn’t have any dedicated DAC as per few video reviews beebom or igyaan audio quality and amplification via headphone jack is not that great. I have a v20 with root and high impedance mode always on. I don’t think this phone compares to any of the recent LG flagships in terms of audio quality.The only place where 5z beats LG would be in the loudspeaker setup where 5z has stereo setup.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious when you said you are an audiophile!
First of all, you can't rate any phone's DAC or AMP performance by using BT headset. Bluetooth headphones have their own inbuilt DAC that they use to process sound when they receive audio in the form of digital signal via Bluetooth from the phone. Then by using their internal inbuilt DAC they convert that Digital signal to Analog signal.
Second of all, are you even serious when you rate Huawei P20/P20 pro sound as great ? Huawei/Honor phones have one of the weakest audio performance out there. Puny amp, okayish DAC, nothing more. Similar is the case with P20/pro.
"P20 is a phone with a DAC !" Which phone isn't the one with DAC? Every phone has one. Some use inbuilt one inside their processors, some employ custom ones for better sound fidelity.
"DAC/DTS works for headphones too!" DAC doesn't work for Bluetooth headphones, it's just that 5z allows to change sound settings of Bluetooth headphones from phone's stock settings. It by no way means that phone's DAC is being involved in Bluetooth headphones. It's simply not possible.
And DAC and DTS aren't the same things either that they can be written interchangeably.
I hope it helps. I by no way mean that 5z has bad audio quality but just corrected some of the things that weren't correct.
I frequently use aux in my car and this is the first device that doesn’t make distortion in sound during high volume. I love it. My car sound system is like concert place now.
The whole Hi-Res audio thing is mainly just marketing and playback support, less to do with the actual quality of the DAC and amp. Nowadays most smartphones can play 24-bit audio at high sample rates (eg. 192kHz). Sony marketed that for many years but their phones kept using on-board Qualcomm DACs with low output voltage (~0.35V from Z5 to XZ Premium). I have the Z5 and I think it's audio quality is good for IEMs but it can't drive some larger headphones very well.
ASUS says there's smart amplifiers but those seem to be for the speakers rather than the headphone. PhoneArena did a review recently and measured the output voltage of the headphone jack to be only 0.252V! That's even lower than the Sony Xperia XZ Premium (0.36V). Of course it's not the end-all, but a higher output voltage would be better at driving higher impedance headphones.
Some users talk about EQ modes sounding better but these things can't improve the quality of the hardware's output (eg. distortion and stereo crosstalk). All they can do is alter the tuning to your preference.
The DAC on the 5Z is just ok ; not audiophile grade by any yard stick . It struggles with high impedance proper headphones like ATH
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
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M30x ..
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Yeah the DTS headphone X is a gimmick ..
I think there is presently no phone in the market which will come near LG V20, G6, V30 and G7 headphone audio performance, particularly with respect to driving high impedance ear/head phones. Actually, I am searching for another brand other than LG which will give a similar high end audio performance. I have a V20 and partnering that with my Sony MDR 7506 headphones or Venture Electronics MonkPlus earbuds (both having impedance around 60 ohms), the sound quality is awesome which I never found in other smartphones.
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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Just sold my LG v30+ due to screen ghosting issues and bought the 5z.
The DAC is good for headphones.
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
All these phones are nothing compared to a vibe p1 on resurrection remix
I have LG v20 and in the hopes of gettin listening to mind-blowing awesome sound, I bought FiiO music player and I couldn't get satisfied on anything. Poweramp on LG always destroys low end or certain frequencies (usually male voice) when pushed a little hard and when not pushed, there's no low end to talk about at all. FiiO has no low end frequency at all.
The only thing that came have a little satisfaction was my good old Lenovo Vibe p1 on resurrection remix. Seeing how you guys are rating LG v20 as great or the best, is there something I'm not doing to get the best out of it? I've tried it on earphones, Bluetooth etc but it just doesn't cut it.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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May be it can drive .. but I find the audio fidelity not that great compared to even the A1 . Music just doesn't sound wholesome .
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i owned lg g6 and the 5z audio quality is not that bad by any means, it's quite OK by 2018 smartphone standard, with it's gimmicky features such as dtx, hi res audio support , etc.
the LG quad dac is the king in the smartphone audio for now, but again, the 5z audio quality is not bad, unless you are very picky about audio quality,
even lg g6 / v30 dac chip still can't compete with my iBasso dx150.
if you never use a true hi res audio player before, the 5z audio quality will be just fine for you.
even for me imho, it's good enough.
it was only after ordering that I realised these things can come with a DAC chip inside.
this is the one I ordered
iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
Shop iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray. Free delivery and returns on eligible orders.
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since quite a few of us are likely to buy one it might help others out if you've found one you think is a real winner.
when mine arrives I'll report back on what I think, but I'm also curious how good they'll be ultimately with v4a!
also whether having a DAC chip will affect the VDC support for headphones.
please share what you've got and what you think.
3mel said:
it was only after ordering that I realised these things can come with a DAC chip inside.
this is the one I ordered
iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
Shop iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray. Free delivery and returns on eligible orders.
www.amazon.co.uk
since quite a few of us are likely to buy one it might help others out if you've found one you think is a real winner.
when mine arrives I'll report back on what I think, but I'm also curious how good they'll be ultimately with v4a!
also whether having a DAC chip will affect the VDC support for headphones.
please share what you've got and what you think.
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I have 2 different ones. One I bought when I got my Tablet S5E:
Amazon.com: andobil USB C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Charge Adapter, Hi-Res USB C to Auxiliary Audio Dongle with DAC Chip, Support Phone Calls, and Music Control Compatible with Google Pixel 2 2XL 3 3XL,and More : Electronics
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And one I bought when I got my Note 10+:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KXPMF1T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_C92M40AM2FNJ2H8AYV0X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The only difference between the 2 is one has 2 usb-c and the other has a 3.5 mm jack.
Both are interchangeable in both devices and work great.
hmm I just went for the straight 3.5mm jack on its own. I saw myself using it outside more (whenever that happens again) so never considered charging too. do you have headphones with a USB-c cable on them ?
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hmm I just went for the straight 3.5mm jack on its own. I saw myself using it outside more (whenever that happens again) so never considered charging too. do you have headphones with a USB-c cable on them ?
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Yes, they came with my Note. The Note doesn't have a 3.5 mm jack for a headset. Like my tablet, the charging port doubles as the headset jack also. Realizing that this cenario could potentially cause an issue if I Iistened to music for too long, I researched if there was a combo headset/charging adapter and there was.
the adaptor mentioned in my first post really delivers the bass. can't say if it's the chip inside (mediatek) or not because I've got nothing else to compare it to. my headphones (Sony MDR-V55) can handle bass but they're not really tuned that way.
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the adaptor mentioned in my first post really delivers the bass. can't say if it's the chip inside (mediatek) or not because I've got nothing else to compare it to. my headphones (Sony MDR-V55) can handle bass but they're not really tuned that way.
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The ideal DAC should have a flat curve ie true to the input values.
The only one I've tried is the Samsung one.
Because of it being tied to the C port I rarely use it.
Recent firmware upgrades for the Buds+ make them sound much better. Low bass on them starts at 27 hz and 35 hz has a noticeable presence. So I stick with the Buds+ for convenience and to avoid the C port inconvenience.
Stupid Samsung...
I too chose to get buds but decided against Samsung's on the mere principle that at the time they weren't the slightest bit waterproof, not even sweatproof. Why is that a big deal you ask? First, no, I'm not going to wear them in the shower or go swimming with them, although they do make ones that you can do that with. Second, I do live in Florida the state known for high humidity and enormous amounts of rain. I have been screwed by the "your phone has water damage" clause several times when my phone has never seen a drop all because of a stupid little sticker due to humidity (no not cause I sweat like crazy, lol) So, I went with the Jabra Elite Active 75t which are similar to the Samsung buds pro but $70 less, are water & dust resistant, they have ANC and pass through, 4 microphones, 28 hours of battery life, wireless charging, and while the Samsung rating is IPX 7 the Jabra is IP57. They have a built in EQ. You can custom set them to your specific hearing ability, like a hearing test, going through a series of beeps, to get optimum sound quality. They have a GPS locator so if you set them down and forget where, pull the app up on you cell and find them. They have a focus mode to play ambient sounds in the background. Don't get me wrong, I am a Samsung die hard through and through, but these Jabra buds beat Samsung hands down. Just my 1/2 cents.
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I too chose to get buds but decided against Samsung's on the mere principle that at the time they weren't the slightest bit waterproof, not even sweatproof. Why is that a big deal you ask? First, no, I'm not going to wear them in the shower or go swimming with them, although they do make ones that you can do that with. Second, I do live in Florida the state known for high humidity and enormous amounts of rain. I have been screwed by the "your phone has water damage" clause several times when my phone has never seen a drop all because of a stupid little sticker due to humidity (no not cause I sweat like crazy, lol) So, I went with the Jabra Elite Active 75t which are similar to the Samsung buds pro but $70 less, are water & dust resistant, they have ANC and pass through, 4 microphones, 28 hours of battery life, wireless charging, and while the Samsung rating is IPX 7 the Jabra is IP57. They have a built in EQ. You can custom set them to your specific hearing ability, like a hearing test, going through a series of beeps, to get optimum sound quality. They have a GPS locator so if you set them down and forget where, pull the app up on you cell and find them. They have a focus mode to play ambient sounds in the background. Don't get me wrong, I am a Samsung die hard through and through, but these Jabra buds beat Samsung hands down. Just my 1/2 cents.
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Never had a water issue with the Buds+... I live in the desert but it's a dry heat.
The problem about not using them is you lose SSC support. A LDAC supporting device is the only other option or your stuck with inferior bt codecs.
LDAC and SSC are on the top of the bt codec heap.
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Never had a water issue with the Buds+... I live in the desert but it's a dry heat.
The problem about not using them is you lose SSC support. A LDAC supporting device is the only other option or your stuck with inferior bt codecs.
LDAC and SSC are on the top of the bt codec heap.
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I have to admit I didn't know much about bluetooth codec codes until today. Your post prompted me to do research which threw me into a 3 hour wild goose chase. I finally found this chart that simplified it for me:
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Because you mentioned the code SSC. I opened my Developer settings and I don't have that option. So, I had to learn more. The aptX HD is at the top of the food chain. Unfortunately, Jabra made a conscious decision not to incorporate that code in their buds. Not sure why? Here is a website where you can look up a full list of products that do Products | aptX
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I have to admit I didn't know much about bluetooth codec codes until today. Your post prompted me to do research which threw me into a 3 hour wild goose chase. I finally found this chart that simplified it for me:
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Because you mentioned the code SSC. I opened my Developer settings and I don't have that option. So, I had to learn more. The aptX HD is at the top of the food chain. Unfortunately, Jabra made a conscious decision not to incorporate that code in their buds. Not sure why? Here is a website where you can look up a full list of products that do Products | aptX
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. Maximum bitrate doesn't necessarily mean overall better sound Q. SoundGuys have a pretty good write up.
AptX-HD has issues as well.
All bt codecs suffer to some degree*. The best ones for Samsung devices are SSC and LDAC.
Samsung's propiatory SSC is found only on its phones and a limited number of it's audio listening products, 5 total I believe.
Samsung also supports LDAC but depending on the bitrates as well as which codec is better makes comparisons almost impossible.
The listening devices supporting LDAC are limited as well but greater in number. Panasonic makes a few and of course Sony.
I haven't sample any LDAC headsets and only sampled the Buds and Buds+ so can't comment on that or which codec sounds better.
Of the other codecs available on the 10+ which are the same as all current models, SSC is the best.
No bt codec sounds better than a wired headset though, hardware not withstanding*.
With the Buds+ the low bass cutout is at 27 hz and 35 hz it's solid; probably about were it starts to roll off. That's pretty good.
For music listening I use Poweramp's equalizer and the bass from 250 hz down is heavily boosted. I never use the Wearables EQ but without Poweramp music listening be a lot less enjoyable. Vocals on music are surprisingly clear.
Guess it's time to compare the original Buds to the Buds+ but once I tried the +'s I didn't look back. Both have had major firmware updates, the most recent + updates was about a week ago.
The Buds+ are light and even partially inserted they simply never fall out. You can run, jump whatever, they stay put. Seamlessly couple with Samsung phones. Sound great on calls. Great battery life.
A lot of bang for the buck.
The Buds+ are the best bet for bt listening on a Samsung phone. An odd niche that Samsung has curved out for themselves.
For $270 more you could upgrade to Sony's best LDAC headphones. The drivers are certainly better but that's a steep price and lost is the ease of wear. Be fun to hear what's is or isn't there though
So now you know, in part, why bt audio gives me a headache
*all bt sucks, lol
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. Maximum bitrate doesn't necessarily mean overall better sound Q. SoundGuys have a pretty good write up.
AptX-HD has issues as well.
All bt codecs suffer to some degree*. The best ones for Samsung devices are SSC and LDAC.
Samsung's propiatory SSC is found only on its phones and a limited number of it's audio listening products, 5 total I believe.
Samsung also supports LDAC but depending on the bitrates as well as which codec is better makes comparisons almost impossible.
The listening devices supporting LDAC are limited as well but greater in number. Panasonic makes a few and of course Sony.
I haven't sample any LDAC headsets and only sampled the Buds and Buds+ so can't comment on that or which codec sounds better.
Of the other codecs available on the 10+ which are the same as all current models, SSC is the best.
No bt codec sounds better than a wired headset though, hardware not withstanding*.
With the Buds+ the low bass cutout is at 27 hz and 35 hz it's solid; probably about were it starts to roll off. That's pretty good. For music listening I use Poweramp's equalizer and the bass from 250 hz down is heavily boosted. I never use the Wearables EQ but without Poweramp music listening be a lot less enjoyable. Vocals on music are surprisingly clear.
They're light and even partially inserted they simply never fall out. You can run, jump whatever, they stay put. Seamlessly couple with Samsung phones. Sound great on calls. Great battery life.
A lot of bang for the buck.
The Buds+ are the best bet for bt listening on a Samsung phone. An odd niche that Samsung has curved out for themselves.
For $270 more you could upgrade to Sony's best LDAC headphones. The drivers are certainly better but that's a steep price and lost is the ease of wear. Be fun to hear what's is or isn't there though
So now you know, in part, why bt audio gives me a headache
*all bt sucks, lol
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If I want to listen to THAT kind of bass, I just jump in my car..... Kenwood head unit, 2-12" subs, yup definitely jump in my ride, that's my only escape
question, does Dolby Atmos on this phone make an almost insignificant difference to the output you get if you listen to something while toggling it on and off ?
not sure what the deal is there but what's my experience of it so far.
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question, does Dolby Atmos on this phone make an almost insignificant difference to the output you get if you listen to something while toggling it on and off ?
not sure what the deal is there but what's my experience of it so far.
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It should alter it considerably. I generally keep it disabled for music but occasionally use it.
I'm using a Note 10+.
3mel said:
question, does Dolby Atmos on this phone make an almost insignificant difference to the output you get if you listen to something while toggling it on and off ?
not sure what the deal is there but what's my experience of it so far.
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Dolby Atmos was supposed to give you the cinematic surround sound effect. That being said, the "S" series did a better job at it than the Note did from what I've read. Personally, I haven't thought to try. Now, I'll have to
HyperChick said:
Dolby Atmos was supposed to give you the cinematic surround sound effect. That being said, the "S" series did a better job at it than the Note did from what I've read. Personally, I haven't thought to try. Now, I'll have to
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Generally it adds distortion to music as it's a flawed algorithm. If memory serves me if works by manipulating the phasing and changing the weighting of selected frequency ranges ie psychoacoustics*.
Dolby encoded movies and music are a different animal and it works best with these. I don't think phones are capable of supporting this version though.
*In an open listening area that is acoustically suitable you only need two speakers and a stereo image to reproduce the sound stage of where the image was recorded. Without the open air (buds, headphones) for the audio waves to interact the sound stage effect is destroyed. Dolby attempts to create the illusion of this sound stage.
@blackhawk to be specific I'm only talking about the Atmos app baked into the settings of this phone, I don't know if it's featured in other Samsung models. I've tried the Dolby Atmos that's a flashable / installable add-on on other phones and that's fantastic, especially when combined with v4a.
now that I've been able to use my headphones again I've been very underwhelmed by the Samsung inclusion of Atmos, I'm curious what others make of it now.
3mel said:
@blackhawk to be specific I'm only talking about the Atmos app baked into the settings of this phone, I don't know if it's featured in other Samsung models. I've tried the Dolby Atmos that's a flashable / installable add-on on other phones and that's fantastic, especially when combined with v4a.
now that I've been able to use my headphones again I've been very underwhelmed by the Samsung inclusion of Atmos, I'm curious what others make of it now.
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In a closed driver system ie headphones, buds the best you can do is a clean distortion free stereo image.
Without an open room there is no interaction between the different acoustic images coming from 2 or more stereo (or higher) drivers. These interactions are in order of many tens, hundreds etc of thousands per second.
If a audio wave at 20khz* meets with one at 19khz* a second wave at 1khz is created. These secondary waves collide with still more through out the 3D listening area to recreate the sound stage of were it was recorded. If done right you are there, electro-acousticly coupled.
Any attempt to create the illustration of that listening area tends to be feeble and add distortion to the music. The magnitude of the acoustic interactions in a open air listening are nearly infinite. It's impossible to faithfully recreate.
So if you like the way it sounds use it. It can be used to "center" vocals are increase their volume and clarity at the cost of suppressing other instruments in that recording. Tends to boost volume and bass.
*the 19 and 20khz are beyond most people's hearing range but the 1khz sound is not.
This is why in an open air listening area frequencies you can't hear become important to reproduce as they are needed to recreate the sound stage. Without them the sound stage is diminished.
Earlier today I stumbled on https://smile.amazon.com/Creative-Blaster-External-VoiceDetect-Cancellation/dp/B08SH5TNLV
I wonder how they compare to the Chinese-made no-name shovelware.
Being Creative Labs one would expect at least some quality. And the price is relatively reasonable..
the previous version ''play 3'' seems to aimed at gaming headphone users
I tried out the free version of the Wavelet app last night and as I suspected it seems to be the DAC in the adaptor that's detected as the connected device rather than the headphones.
I had intended to restart using V4A once I've rooted but now I'm wondering even more about DDC optimisation or whether it'll count as a USB connection now.
getting a quality, recognised brand name might matter more than I thought.
Hello everyone,
Does anybody know which type of USB-C audio Xiaomi went with for the F3?
Do they use the internal DAC of the SD870 or is the included adapter actually "active" with its own DAC?
I am using the 3.5mm jack of my F1 quite a lot and if they went with the active adapter solution I am expecting a drop in quality.
Br,
I can't answer your question precisely, but this might help: I have plugged a Huawei passive adapter (CM20) in my Poco F3 and it works...
Well this is at the very least a strong indication that the internal DAC is used.
Thank you very much for trying this, then we should actually see decent sound quality on the F3
You're welcome.
I used my Sennheiser Momentum On-Ear and was pleased with the sound. Your tastes may vary.
I'm not sure I will try to install Viper4Arise on this phone...
Renegade661 said:
You're welcome.
I used my Sennheiser Momentum On-Ear and was pleased with the sound. Your tastes may vary.
I'm not sure I will try to install Viper4Arise on this phone...
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That's great to hear that you are satisfied with the sound, can't wait to receive my F3
If the F3 can drive the Momentum On-Ears it surely can drive my more budget oriented SoundMagic E11 in-ears
I will stick to the stock OS until the security updates run dry, then switch over to Lineage OS.
Don't want to break MIUI with any sound mod