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Thoughts on upgrade from OP5T to OP7P

Hello my fellow geeks! I wanted to get some opinions on this subject that I'm sure has been covered 1000 times in the last few weeks but I'm curious nonetheless. Firstly, let me say that I'm a tech mark and I switch tech at least yearly if not more often including phones, tablets, wearables, etc. Currently, I own an OP5T (8/128), Galaxy Note 9 (8/512) and an iPhone XS Max 256 that I use for work. I'm definitely waiting on the new Note 10 when it drops later this summer but since the new OP7P dropped, I'm starting to get antsy after seeing the specs, features, and performance reviews of the phone online. With that said, I absolutely love my OP5T and that's the reason I've kept it so long. The speed, performance, and overall quality of the phone is almost unmatched by more current and higher priced phones on the market today. The phone is truly a flagship killer. However, I purposely missed the last several iterations of the phone because I didn't see any features that stood out enough for me to upgrade and in that time, I grabbed the Note 9 and iPhone XS Max which was even more reason to stay put. I've been enamored with the Note 9 in particular which completey took my attention away from the OP5T but with the release of the latest OP7P, my mouth began watering all over again. I for one don't mind the curved screen and the bezeless design is a thing of complete beauty. I love big screen phones so the 6.7 inch AMOLED screen is almost enough for me to upgrade on its own. Honestly I've been spoiled by the Note 9 but I paid twice over the price of the OP5T so that should be expected. The OP7P seems to be a step closer to that true flagship but with some tradeoffs of course like IP rating and wireless charging. Has anyone upgraded to the OP7P from the 5T specifically. I'd like to know your thoughts. Also, I never really entertained trade ups because usually it's a rip off but OP is offering 200 credit for the OP5T. Seems low ball but that's a nice discount off the new tech. Any opinions out there? I'd love to hear them. Happy Saturday everyone!!!
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Honestly, I've been asking myself the same question.
The only answer that's come up to me is that I'd rather wait for the next iteration - the OP7P is amazing, sure , but I think Note 10 and the next OP devices will be even better.
tl;dr - wait for the next one.

dandrake47 said:
Honestly, I've been asking myself the same question.
The only answer that's come up to me is that I'd rather wait for the next iteration - the OP7P is amazing, sure , but I think Note 10 and the next OP devices will be even better.
tl;dr - wait for the next one.
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I was thinking that same thing. Part of my reasoning is the trade in program as well although I may be able to sell it privately for at least 300-350 but it's such a pain having to deal with that process. I've always gotten the T version of the OnePlus so I think you may be right to hold out. T version may have wireless charging and if so I'm sold!!
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go for op7p it is the phone of the year if you ask me
the only thing that is stopping me from picking it up that it is almost 850 dollars where I live,and the fact that I can get s10+ for less than that.
if the price drops a little bit and be 750 or 700 I wouldn't hesitate getting it

AlMaghraby said:
go for op7p it is the phone of the year if you ask me
the only thing that is stopping me from picking it up that it is almost 850 dollars where I live,and the fact that I can get s10+ for less than that.
if the price drops a little bit and be 750 or 700 I wouldn't hesitate getting it
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What do you like most about the OP7P? The screen is my biggest attraction. I'm not too concerned about the pop up camera that a lot of people are fussing about. Wireless charging is the only thing it's missing as well as an IP68 rating at least but then again that would make the phone $1000.
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What do you like most about the OP7P? The screen is my biggest attraction. I'm not too concerned about the pop up camera that a lot of people are fussing about. Wireless charging is the only thing it's missing as well as an IP68 rating at least but then again that would make the phone $1000.
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I'm not sure if you've kept up with the recent coverage that the OP7P is getting. That screen you adore is plagued with ghost touch issues, see here https://www.phonearena.com/news/Phantom-taps-are-annoying-OnePlus-7-Pro-users_id116304
And real-world camera performance is mediocre at best, trademark OP.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-7-Pro-to-receive-camera-improving-update-next-week_id116245
They've also dug themselves a grave with some false marketing of its zoom capabilities.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-7-Pro-does-not-offer-3x-optical-zoom_id116292
Stay away from this one. This is their first attempt at a proper flagship and it is pathetic.
Wait for the next iteration if you really want another OnePlus device. The Note 10, on the other hand, is a definite winner.

I was an op fan for the price to spec ratio but unfortunately they are going down the drain with the pricing and with software bugs+issues as mentioned in the last post.

AlMaghraby said:
go for op7p it is the phone of the year if you ask me
the only thing that is stopping me from picking it up that it is almost 850 dollars where I live,and the fact that I can get s10+ for less than that.
if the price drops a little bit and be 750 or 700 I wouldn't hesitate getting it
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Same here, been thinking about upgrading my 5T to the 7 but for the same price I can get a S10+
And whilst OP has a better stock android experience, for the pricetag you are paying I personally think the S10+ is worth it more then the OP7 at that point.

TechieTwinToes said:
I'm not sure if you've kept up with the recent coverage that the OP7P is getting. That screen you adore is plagued with ghost touch issues, see here https://www.phonearena.com/news/Phantom-taps-are-annoying-OnePlus-7-Pro-users_id116304
And real-world camera performance is mediocre at best, trademark OP.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-7-Pro-to-receive-camera-improving-update-next-week_id116245
They've also dug themselves a grave with some false marketing of its zoom capabilities.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-7-Pro-does-not-offer-3x-optical-zoom_id116292
Stay away from this one. This is their first attempt at a proper flagship and it is pathetic.
Wait for the next iteration if you really want another OnePlus device. The Note 10, on the other hand, is a definite winner.
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Very good advice my friend. Than you very much for the links and info. This is the type of objective opinion I was looking for. I think I will wait at least until they update the firmware and alleviate the issues. Thanks again!
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TechieTwinToes said:
I'm not sure if you've kept up with the recent coverage that the OP7P is getting. That screen you adore is plagued with ghost touch issues, see here https://www.phonearena.com/news/Phantom-taps-are-annoying-OnePlus-7-Pro-users_id116304
And real-world camera performance is mediocre at best, trademark OP.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-7-Pro-to-receive-camera-improving-update-next-week_id116245
They've also dug themselves a grave with some false marketing of its zoom capabilities.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-7-Pro-does-not-offer-3x-optical-zoom_id116292
Stay away from this one. This is their first attempt at a proper flagship and it is pathetic.
Wait for the next iteration if you really want another OnePlus device. The Note 10, on the other hand, is a definite winner.
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Okay, so the screen doesn't have an issue... it's a bug with NFC and the digitizer. And it's also easily fixable with a patch to the kernel.
The camera is actually pretty great with GCam mod. No root required like the 5T.
And I wouldn't go saying the Note 10 is a definite winner since it's not even announced yet and no specs have really been confirmed.

I just ended up returning mine. The curved screen kind of bothered me with the glare. I updated my old 5T and it is running really smooth on the latest beta.
Will wait for the next one.

After holding the 7 pro in my hand it made me love the superthin design of the 5T even more, mine is in a sandstone protective case from OnePlus and the 7 pro feels way too thick, in a case it's going to be a brick. It's a shame they made it so big.

Is the 3XL still worth it?

I'm in the process of getting a new phone in the coming days. To keep it simple here, i'm debating 3XL or S10(e). I'm not going to wait long enough for the Pixel 4 to come out. OnePlus 7 Pro is sadly not available through my carrier.
So, is the 3XL still a good deal when Price is identical to the S10(e)? I've had Samsung in the past and Nexus's before that. I now the Samsung OS and am fine with it. I live in Europe, so getting AOSP for the S10 should be an option. Camera is important but not priority one. An overall fluid/fast system is more important to me. I also don't care to much for specs. Solid Batterylife is on my list too. I'm not a poweruser, so 3-4 hours SOT should be enough for a day or two. Oh, and i don't have a Problem with either notch or holepunch.
With that, would you get the 3XL for guaranteed Android Q and faster Updates, or the S10 for better specs/Display and being overall newer?

I had the chance of one plus, Samsung S10, Huawei p30pro. Chose the pixel for the updates and camera. No regrets whatsoever. Camera stunning, updates each month, 5-6 hours screen time, great build, wireless charging and IP rating, smooth as performance and a very underrated screen. Coming from the LG G7, which I loved, this phone is a level up in everyway.

@domsch1988 Why not the 3a XL? Much better value especially if you're not a power user. Only thing it's not waterproof and has no wireless charging, slightly lower processor but a great phone.

go for the OnePlus. I've played with it (friend bought it) and its solid. I have a 3XL but if I can do it over, i'd either stick with the 2XL or upgrade to the OnePlus.

I still think the Pixel 3 XL is the Android phone to get, until the 4 XL in Oct. Best camera, smooth OS, timely updates every month, no bloatware.
What other phone is out there? Galaxy S10? LOL I'll pass. LG G8 or V50 ? No thanks. OnePlus, yeah they are are good, but, not the best camera, and some features missing

I would choose Oneplus. I'm so disappointed with the Pixel 3 XL. The fingerprint sensor sucks. I had the 1+ 5T and it was far better than this. It's my last Pixel.

I'll change my 3 XL for a 5 XL, that's how much I love it.

for me pixel 3 xl is the phone to buy because its a nice design lovely to hold timely updates. The only thing am not happy about is the ram and how its managed i would have liked to see an extra 2 gigs here.

Traded my S10 Plus for the Pixel 3 XL.
Great decision in my view. Running Android Q beta 4, no need to carry DSLR with me (S10 camera was awful).
Only downside is the RAM and it's management. Would choose it over again in a heartbeat

bobby janow said:
@domsch1988 Why not the 3a XL? Much better value especially if you're not a power user. Only thing it's not waterproof and has no wireless charging, slightly lower processor but a great phone.
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Since i'm getting it on Contract, they are equal in price (basically 1€ without any change in what the plan will cost me). The 3a will be getting guaranteed Updates for 6 Months longer. Other than that, i feel the 3XL is far better.
If i'd pay for it up front, i agree 100%. I'm currently rocking a Redmin Note 5 Pro. So i'm confident, that the Hardware in the 3aXL would be well enough. I just don't have the value benefit when both phones cost the same in my case.
To everyone else: I really appreciate the input. Seems the Pixel is still the Phone to get. Will be my first time getting a phone for the camera. But with my wife and me expecting a child, i'm sure that's a great decision

Despite what I have read of other's experiences with this phone, in my case it is the absolute best phone I have ever had. Coming from a long line of Samsung Note phones and Galaxy phones, it just can't compare. I highly recommend it. Updates are timely and without delay on the first Monday of every month. It is very responsive and the camera is the best in the industry. I have learned with this phone that specs mean nothing if the software is not optimized. Samsung phone shave great specs but software (IMO) is not optimized. I got tired of Samsung's locked bootloader, no root on phones and batteries that after 6 months did not last more than a few hours. For me, this is the ONLY phone worth the money today.

Easy. Get the 3xl or even 3aXL and save some money. Either will be fantastic.

Other than Google not being able to fix the sound (changes from clear to bassy/muffled and back randomly) this phone is awesome.

yaron316 said:
Traded my S10 Plus for the Pixel 3 XL.
Great decision in my view. Running Android Q beta 4, no need to carry DSLR with me (S10 camera was awful).
Only downside is the RAM and it's management. Would choose it over again in a heartbeat
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This. I tried the S9+ then the S10+. Couldn't wait to get back to the Pixel.

nyydynasty said:
go for the OnePlus. I've played with it (friend bought it) and its solid. I have a 3XL but if I can do it over, i'd either stick with the 2XL or upgrade to the OnePlus.
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The OnePlus is no upgrade IMO. I just spent a week testing both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the P3 XL and the bottom line is that the two phones are a perfect example of specs not telling the whole story. The OnePlus is nice but in the end it went back and I kept the P3 XL. Main issues with the OnePlus was the distortion caused by the curved edges (why did they do that? Loss of functionality for nothing in return... if i wanted a fashion statement I'd buy an iPhone.) I don't get why everyone gets hysterical over a notch that hardly ever really intrudes on the P3 XL while ignoring the distortion of the O7P that is annoying 100% of the time. Also in spite of all the reviews gushing over the 90 fps display it really was a big... meh. If you look closely it is somewhat smoother than the 60 fps flagships but these are already so good that the slight improvement is just not that big a deal and I think I'd probably have ended up just leaving the 90 fps option off to get the 10% or so battery life back. But the OP7 display was brighter than the P3 XL, I'll give it that.
The other problem on the OP7P was the camera. It's come a long way and is certainly competitive with the big boys but I found the P3's image to be superior most of the time. If you aren't picky about the camera then the P7 should be fine. Last is the general feel of the phone and the pure Google Pixel OS (and all the little nonessential but nice goodies) made the P3 just feel more comfortable and day-to-day usable to me. Also FWIW the P3 supports Verizon WiFi calling and the OP7 does not (or at least I couldn't find any setting that would make it work.) Something that won't matter for some but will for others so just mentioning it. Also if you think you may ever want to use Google Fi (for the international coverage if nothing else) then the Pixel is the better choice, also a factor that may or may not matter depending on the user.
I'm not hating on the OnePlus, it's a great phone and would probably be my phone if it weren't for the P3 XL. But an 'upgrade'? Nah.
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At this point in the year I would honestly wait things out to see what happens with the Pixel 4. I love the Pixel 3xl and wouldn't buy anything else at this point. The first phone that I enjoy using and the camera is awesome! With the Pixel 4 it can only get better, even if the numbers are still not up with the S10 it wouldn't matter to me. Fast, no bloatware and the ability to take it anywhere and use it anywhere is what I enjoy.

S10e would be a downgrade in my opinion.
I actually ordered the Snapdragon S10e and quickly realised I miss that higher quality screen of the Pixel 3 XL. As this was the Snapdragon S10e I had gcam installed but it was very buggy and just nothing like the original.
The pixel 3 XL has a wider screen too, makes viewing content a lot better, the Samsung phones are narrow so it almost seems like you lose out on content, for me it was noticeably enough to keep this phone!

Question Google Pixel

Is anyone here thinking of replacing their OP9P with a Pixel 6?

I do but it would be very impractical to spend again on a phone this year. Pixel 7 pro maybe

saisid16 said:
I do but it would be very impractical to spend again on a phone this year. Pixel 7 pro maybe
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You can always sell your OP9Pro

Only if it released worldwide which unfortunately won't happen.

vibrantliker said:
You can always sell your OP9Pro
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I bought the phone in India, and now I'm in Germany. Selling the Indian variant off here is difficult.

the bolt of thunder said:
Is anyone here thinking of replacing their OP9P with a Pixel 6?
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Yup, already ordered a 6 Pro. I have the regular OP9 and it's been underwhelming.
No full update zips for international
Bad battery life
Poor RAM management
Poor mobile data signal/reception
No working VoWiFi (carrier won't support OP phones)
And this last one isn't a huge deal for me but the whole throttling stuff
I'm pretty sure the 6 Pro will alleviate all above issues I'm having with my OP9.

Ordered the Pixel 6pro and traded in my OnePlus8Pro.
I'm keeping my OnePlus9Pro!
Cheers

I would like Pixel 6 Pro..., but i Hate google BS, so NO !!!
Users of Pixel 6 complain about overheating doing simple things on the phone..

null0seven said:
I would like Pixel 6 Pro..., but i Hate google BS, so NO !!!
Users of Pixel 6 complain about overheating doing simple things on the phone..
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My OP9P overheats doing nothing. I haven't heard Google does too.

just sold my P9Pro and preordered the P6Pro.
i really wanted to love the OP9Pro. The hardware was amazing and the camera was much better than what the reviews suggested.
But the software experience was mediocre. OOS11 felt like a cheap chinese aosp rom, no special must have features except of the camera software. therefore it felt laggy, cause many apps were only running in 60 fps.
ColorOS was not as bad as what everybody said, but the camera was horrible.
i didn't trust oppo in delivering timely updates once the OP9pro isn't the latest and greatest anymore so i thought it wasn't worth the money and sold it.

I am waiting for October 25th and the tests and if the P6 Pro is as good as it seems to be I will resell my 9Pro.
OnePlus is lost.

Hypnoz69 said:
I am waiting for October 25th and the tests and if the P6 Pro is as good as it seems to be I will resell my 9Pro.
OnePlus is lost.
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This I would do too. Im not gonna preorder till the public can test it haha. Considering first inhouse chip is pretty huge deal. Could be a make or break for pixel users. If everything is good as what google says it is, then yes i will go back to pixel. They literally are the new flagship killer considering price and specs. Its gonna be a challenge for samsung to bring their stupid prices down too and apple.

null0seven said:
I would like Pixel 6 Pro..., but i Hate google BS, so NO !!!
Users of Pixel 6 complain about overheating doing simple things on the phone..
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What users of Pixel 6 Pro? Only reviewers have the phones and they are under embargo?!

I like the screen. Looks a little like Note phones.

I will keep my 9Pro.
The phone looks amazing but the charge is to long. That's a no for me :
Testing with multiple third-party PD chargers, the closest to Google's estimated charge time came from a 45W laptop charger, which surpassed 50% charge (enough for a day's use) after approximately 40 minutes, with a full charge still taking 2.25 hours total.
Google Pixel 6 Pro review: The dawn of a new era?
The Pixel 6 Pro offers up a familiar Android experience but dressed with a new look and running new hardware that reaches far beyond anything we've seen from a Pixel before
www.techadvisor.com
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Question Flaws of the Pixel 6 Pro demonstrated when compared to S22 Ultra

I've used the Pixel 6 Pro on and off since November. For the most part, it has been a very good phone, but after using the S22 Ultra for over 2 months now, I realize how much better the P6P could be. The 5G reception, the charging speeds, and overall stability of the Snapdragon S22 Ultra are vastly superior to the Pixel 6 Pro. To be fair, the P6P has a cleaner software experience, better camera in some respects, and better speakers, but the essentials are done better by the S22U. Like many of us, I had hoped that the P6P would have been the Samsung flagship with stock Android, but it's turning out to have similar problems as the Exynos chips, even down to running warm. There are promises for big things in the June or July update, but each update has brought new bugs. I'm considering just selling the P6P and seeing if the Pixel 7 Pro fixes anything.

The Pixel 6 Pro is more S21 ultra though innit?

MrBelter said:
The Pixel 6 Pro is more S21 ultra though innit?
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My girlfriend has the S21 Ultra, I have the P6P, andddd everyime I grab her phone I am surprised at how smooth it is. Every. Time.

I am getting pretty tired of having to borrow my wife's 22 when I need to make a phone call.

I had the s22ultra SD variant, sold it because if the crappy UI and micro stutters I experienced constantly. Regardless of the hardware, what good is it if the software is still in beta production.
A lot of gimmicky features like bixby, knox, etc.
Samsung has potential but they suck.

there is a 300$ difference between these two phones. the s22 ultra BETTER have the better experience.

I have to say otherwise, my girlfriend has the s22 ultra and I got the P6P, I wouldn't exchange it in a thousand years. Performance wise it stutters, quite a lot, to the point of semi freezing. Charging and battery wise we both get home more or less at same time with same battery, I've disabled adaptive charging tho. The stylus is not that impressive, not good enough for note taking. Everything else is meh, I love the purity of android and came a long way, no need for duplicate apps and super updates! Câmera also so so the same quality on both, but she has clearer night pictures (more realistic), pixel pictures at night seems to overwhelm the colours a bit.

MidnightDevil said:
I have to say otherwise, my girlfriend has the s22 ultra and I got the P6P, I wouldn't exchange it in a thousand years. Performance wise it stutters, quite a lot, to the point of semi freezing. Charging and battery wise we both get home more or less at same time with same battery, I've disabled adaptive charging tho. The stylus is not that impressive, not good enough for note taking. Everything else is meh, I love the purity of android and came a long way, no need for duplicate apps and super updates! Câmera also so so the same quality on both, but she has clearer night pictures (more realistic), pixel pictures at night seems to overwhelm the colours a bit.
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Don't forget the shutter speed, Samsung constantly blurs moving things in pictures whereas pixel has no issue tracking pictures of moving objects and is virtually instant from pressing the button and taking the picture

There is no doubt, in my mind, that the Pixel blows Sammy away in every category, especially camera. But not in signal reception. Unfortunately I need my phone to make and receive phone calls.

I own both and spend time in a fallout bunker. My S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max can make calls and text. The P6P has no service. The radio hardware is most definitely the P6P's Achilles heel.

cpufrost said:
I own both and spend time in a fallout bunker. My S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max can make calls and text. The P6P has no service. The radio hardware is most definitely the P6P's Achilles heel.
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Most reliable radio hardware I've had. Never had service dropped.
I used to have to have Tasker automatically cycle airplane mode whenever service was lost on all my prior phones, which were all Qualcomm flagships.

Paz9 said:
Don't forget the shutter speed, Samsung constantly blurs moving things in pictures whereas pixel has no issue tracking pictures of moving objects and is virtually instant from pressing the button and taking the picture
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That's something else too. While picture quality is pretty good, the picture taking experience falls behind.
Hopefully most of the issues addressed can be resolved or mitigated through software updates, I hope, also for my own sake.

TonikJDK said:
There is no doubt, in my mind, that the Pixel blows Sammy away in every category, especially camera. But not in signal reception. Unfortunately I need my phone to make and receive phone calls.
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I agree with the signal reception. I have been working from home past 2 years, so I haven't had as much time to get frustrated, meaning using it while out and about. But this phone has the absolute worst reception of any phone I have ever owned and finding out just how horrible it is as I start traveling more. I am just outside metro DC area and have a lot of experience with other phones plus friends and family. Why, just why couldn't they have stuck with a trusted chip? Verizon, fwiw. I will eventually switch to something non Google. Other parts work great, but they call it a smartphone, not a camera connection device.

Yensid eno said:
I agree with the signal reception...this phone has the absolute worst reception of any phone I have ever owned...
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I agree with ya here, however, I'm on T-Mo. So, it's definitely a problem with the modem needing some very specific code changes. But thankfully enough, these changes have finally appeared to happen about a month back on a beta version of the OS. Now, the latest beta for Android 12.1 and the latest beta for Android 13 both contain modem updates that finally make my service more functional and reliable.
The only downside here is that they won't be pushing this update OTA for another month and a half (and it also took them a while to get to this, haha).

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I agree with ya here, however, I'm on T-Mo. So, it's definitely a problem with the modem needing some very specific code changes. But thankfully enough, these changes have finally appeared to happen about a month back on a beta version of the OS. Now, the latest beta for Android 12.1 and the latest beta for Android 13 both contain modem updates that finally make my service more functional and reliable.
The only downside here is that they won't be pushing this update OTA for another month and a half (and it also took them a while to get to this, haha).
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That would be fantastic if it really helps. I am in my house right now. My old Pixel 2 XL, Wife's Pixel 4a, my last Pixel 4a5g all had excellent service here. If I turn my wifi off I can't make a damn call. Today I was fishing at a pond that is in the middle of 3 major roads, had zero service. I will wait and see what comes from this. In your opinion, what are you thinking the change is, but I don't know how to ask you to quantify it.

Yensid eno said:
That would be fantastic if it really helps. I am in my house right now. My old Pixel 2 XL, Wife's Pixel 4a, my last Pixel 4a5g all had excellent service here. If I turn my wifi off I can't make a damn call. Today I was fishing at a pond that is in the middle of 3 major roads, had zero service. I will wait and see what comes from this. In your opinion, what are you thinking the change is, but I don't know how to ask you to quantify it.
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Not sure. But I think that it has something to do with the general code requirements for this modem, as it was notoriously known for having reception problems in the past (as the Samsung S20 international variant used the same modem). It seems that Google was still recovering from the big lawsuit hit that dug into their phone development department's spending power before the Pixel 6 series had gone into production (was around $270M). I'm hoping that they are able to dig their way out of that hole by the time the Pixel 8 series is in production - as that will be around the time I upgrade my phone again, haha =P.

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Not sure. But I think that it has something to do with the general code requirements for this modem, as it was notoriously known for having reception problems in the past (as the Samsung S20 international variant used the same modem). It seems that Google was still recovering from the big lawsuit hit that dug into their phone development department's spending power before the Pixel 6 series had gone into production (was around $270M). I'm hoping that they are able to dig their way out of that hole by the time the Pixel 8 series is in production - as that will be around the time I upgrade my phone again, haha =P.
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Did a software update solve the S20 problems? I did a quick search but not seeing that exact resolution. If that update in beta right now helps a lot they may save a customer here, but I am not upgrading to a future Pixel if they put a documented problem in this phone and the solution is to upgrade out of the problem.

I have owned both and they are both flawed.
I still have the S22U and ultimately it is IMO the better option. Yes the shutter lag is annoying and OneUI has it’s frustrations too but the flaws on the Pixel are bigger, FPS was a daily frustration (and the ultrasonic FPS on samsung is just better than all optical ones IMO) auto brightness was just dumb and as other have said the radio is weaker.
I am hopeful that lessons will have been learned with the Pixel 7

I have the vanilla S22, same with everyone says, it has micro stutter on the UI frequently, and the usual Samsung not able to capture moving objects. For those reasons, I am moving to Pixel 7 Pro this year.

To be fair, the P6 Pro is in another price league. You compare an Audi A5 to a BMW 7 (significant price difference). That still doesn't excuse, however, the especially weak reception quality and temperature problems (quick overheating under stress) on a P6 Pro. Basic features need to work, full stop. And Pixels struggle with that at times.

General I'm Out..Rebuffed Pixel SuperFan Status!

Finally decided to take TMO up on their $800 Trade-In Offer on my P6_Pro & Upgraded to the S22 Ultra 512 gb
(SM-S908U1).
No more seeing me 'round Pixel Town...Safe Journeys, es

Best of luck

Yeah, enjoy your new phone! Also, come back if you can ever get that thing rooted and stuff =). That (and the interface design) is primarily what is holding me back from Samsung phones - but I'm not sure if that has recently changed.

I actually traded my s22 ultra for this p6pro and it was the best decision I ever made, hands down!

kevinireland11 said:
I actually traded my s22 ultra for this p6pro and it was the best decision I ever made, hands down!
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Did the difference relate to what I had mentioned in my comment above?

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Did the difference relate to what I had mentioned in my comment above?
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So, I was just thinking to myself last night that after they the introduction of the new aggressive security API that detects root and renders my Gpay useless (which is just the beginning) I am finding it less and less worthwhile to have an Android device, which I've had now for 15 years. I use a Mac for computing and I'm beginning to wonder whether I do the same for my phone. I'm so sick of Google's crappy products and customer service. I just might join you before the value of this phone nose dives.

rhetorician said:
So, I was just thinking to myself last night that after they the introduction of the new aggressive security API that detects root and renders my Gpay useless
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*Cough* *cough* not true *cough* =)
Actually, wait, I missed the beginning sentence that you wrote and noticed it after I quoted it and posted my reply. So, it might be true. My apologies. When does that security API roll out?

It's out. I posted earlier a link to the discussion on GitHub. Oddly enough, not all users have been affected yet. Then again, that makes sense given the range of variables. I can't even use my craigslist app because I can't pass the newly imposed tests.

I decided to dump the stock rom in favor of Pixel Experience, unrooted. I now have nearly all of the features I want including face unlock and zero problems.

Good call on the switch to T-Mo. I just did the same last month and very happy I did

That's tight, I like that one!

rhetorician said:
I decided to dump the stock rom in favor of Pixel Experience, unrooted. I now have nearly all of the features I want including face unlock and zero problems.
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Comments like this amaze me. The implementation of Face Unlock on these ROMs is the same as on cheap Chinese phones. It is not secure and it's a gimmick.
Also, I want a phone that works out of the box. Swapping ROMs gets old fast nowadays and unless one is a developer experimenting, it's not worth the hassle and the bugs for most.
If the camera on the S23 is as good as it promises to be, I'd be done with the P6P. Or go to the iPhone 14 and get the best battery life with everything turned on.

Can't pinpoint when but over the last couple iterations of stock Android it's felt more like changes have been made for the sake of change rather than the benefit of the end user.
This is most apparent on the stock ROM. Everything was designed to be in your face constantly and I hate it so I'm running something else as of late.
I'm still not a fan of the new QS. My Pixel hasn't changed that. It's ugly, it's inconsistent (even on the 13 beta).
The fact of the matter is custom ROMs have always been better than nearly any carrier/OEM variation of Android and it just so happened that as I went back from OnePlus to a Pixel that development for Pixels would totally go down the drain relative to prior models.
That's partially because Google trashed the UI at its core and reversing that would take extensive work that just isn't worth the time.
This is the quickest I have ever gotten kind of annoyed with a device and it's completely unrelated to the hardware. The hardware of the 6, in spite of numerous criticisms, has always been great to me but Android as software is just... Dying in my eyes.
They get away with it as it's still more flexible as a platform than iOS but honestly they can only go so far.
If things don't improve either with 14 next year or with OnePlus doing a complete turn around in software, I'm out. I'll look more into the buggy affairs of Linux smartphones.

I have the luxury of having the 6 pro and the note 20 ultra, so when I am fed up with the six pro being goofy or glitchy I can switch back to that and generally enjoy it but have always been a fan of the nexus, pixel line so no matter how which it is I find myself wanting to come back. Lately considering ditching the 6 pro myself and considering the OP9 pro on special... Flashing 13 beta kind of help. The new visuals seem really cool but definitely made Android auto even quirkier. Maybe I should just consider the rooting and romming stuff again, but haven't really messed up it since maybe my OnePlus 7 pro

MacGuy2006 said:
Comments like this amaze me. The implementation of Face Unlock on these ROMs is the same as on cheap Chinese phones. It is not secure and it's a gimmick.
Also, I want a phone that works out of the box. Swapping ROMs gets old fast nowadays and unless one is a developer experimenting, it's not worth the hassle and the bugs for most.
If the camera on the S23 is as good as it promises to be, I'd be done with the P6P. Or go to the iPhone 14 and get the best battery life with everything turned on.
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I wouldn't go to an iPhone if they gave me a case of them for free.
The only issue I have with my P6P is how hot it gets when charging, the loss of audio for notifications when I connect to the BT in my work van, the poor radio for both 5G and LTE in weaker signal areas and the wretched battery life
I'm curious to see how P7P is with Android 13, which is how I'll probably go in October when it's released

As an owner of both the S22U and the P6P, I prefer the P6P.

HipKat said:
I wouldn't go to an iPhone if they gave me a case of them for free.
The only issue I have with my P6P is how hot it gets when charging, the loss of audio for notifications when I connect to the BT in my work van, the poor radio for both 5G and LTE in weaker signal areas and the wretched battery life
I'm curious to see how P7P is with Android 13, which is how I'll probably go in October when it's released
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I'm having the same issues plus I can never get a full signal even in a strong signal area where both my tablet and my other phone which is an S22 get a full signal, my previous phone on my other line was a OnePlus 10 Pro. Lost 40% battery in just a couple hours yesterday while getting our daughter moved into her dorm room and I didn't use the phone at all and it got really warm. I also have an issue with really slow data on this phone. I am not a fan of any of that. I like the but hate all the issues.

truckerdewd said:
I'm having the same issues plus I can never get a full signal even in a strong signal area where both my tablet and my other phone which is an S22 get a full signal, my previous phone on my other line was a OnePlus 10 Pro. Lost 40% battery in just a couple hours yesterday while getting our daughter moved into her dorm room and I didn't use the phone at all and it got really warm. I also have an issue with really slow data on this phone. I am not a fan of any of that. I like the but hate all the issues.
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I don’t really have issues with data speeds. But I’m usually in 5G so I’m pretty solitaire but the problem is if I’m in like one bar 5G, forget about it I can’t load a website. Same thing with one bar of LTE. And the problems I listed are you know, pretty profound. They’re not all bad but the battery life is absolutely horrifying. I’m a tech for Dish Network and if I get you a job with 100% strength and it takes 2 1/2 hours to do the job when I’m done I’m at like 70%.
At the end of the day though, I just can’t buy into Samsung and all that bloat wear. My daughter has an S 22 ultra. It’s a hell of a nice phone call man there’s just so much extra junk on there.