Is there any work to provide 60 fps support for the ultrawide camera? some xda god is working on it?
Raziel_Sicily said:
Is there any work to provide 60 fps support for the ultrawide camera? some xda god is working on it?
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unfortunately that crap sensor from 2015 does not even support 1080p 60fps, I don't understand why they use that crap instead of going for newer sensor that can do that, the regular S22 supports it.
U think that the problem is an hardware limitation or there is a way to solve it via software or by a samsung update firmware?
Raziel_Sicily said:
U think that the problem is an hardware limitation or there is a way to solve it via software or by a samsung update firmware?
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hardware ofc, why else would they limit it to 30 fps?
It is not sure, my old note 20 ultra come with an 30fps ultrawide recording camera, after some time, a fjrmware update bringh me th 60 fps ultrawide recording option. I hope samsung can do the same think with my fold 4
Raziel_Sicily said:
It is not sure, my old note 20 ultra come with an 30fps ultrawide recording camera, after some time, a fjrmware update bringh me th 60 fps ultrawide recording option. I hope samsung can do the same think with my fold 4
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that ultra wide is the same introduced with S20, bigger, better and newer, same one as S22, it does support 60fps but Flip and Fold keeps getting the ancient CRAP sensor.
I think that it will be enabled via firm/software update. We saw that in the N20 series and, the UW câmera can record 4K30 so it is able to deal with the data of 2K60 (roughly the same bandwidth)... Maybe the problem is lack of time to sync and adjust frame pacing...
rafafischer said:
I think that it will be enabled via firm/software update. We saw that in the N20 series and, the UW câmera can record 4K30 so it is able to deal with the data of 2K60 (roughly the same bandwidth)... Maybe the problem is lack of time to sync and adjust frame pacing...
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I don't know how much clearer I can be, this is the same UW camera used in first Flip, Flip/Fold3 and they haven't got any update to 60fps as the camera sensor don't support it, otherwise it should have been there from day one, S22 does support it because of better sensor.
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I don't know how much clearer I can be, this is the same UW camera used in first Flip, Flip/Fold3 and they haven't got any update to 60fps as the camera sensor don't support it, otherwise it should have been there from day one, S22 does support it because of better sensor.
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According AndroidCentral`s review, It's a newer sensor as published here: https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/heres-how-much-better-the-galaxy-z-fold-4-cameras-are
"The Ultra-wide sensor and cover camera sensors are the same resolutions but are newer sensors than what's in the Fold 3."
If you have another source, a maybe a teardown, we can ask for a correction on AndroidCentral article...
According SamMobile (https://www.sammobile.com/news/sams...as-a-mixed-bag-of-new-and-old-camera-sensors/) the Ultrawide sensor is a Sony IMX258 and the datasheet indicates 1080p60 support (https://www.electronicspecifier.com/attachment/view/59aeb13e5a8ec97c2c8b4570/Sony IMX258 Datasheet)
And also SamMobile thinks there is a chance of Fold 4 receives a uppdate to shoot UW at 60Fps: https://www.sammobile.com/news/sams...ort-4k-60-fps-ultra-wide-video-recording-yet/
rafafischer said:
According AndroidCentral`s review, It's a newer sensor as published here: https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/heres-how-much-better-the-galaxy-z-fold-4-cameras-are
"The Ultra-wide sensor and cover camera sensors are the same resolutions but are newer sensors than what's in the Fold 3."
If you have another source, a maybe a teardown, we can ask for a correction on AndroidCentral article...
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Samsung Galaxy Z Fold4 review
The Galaxy Z Fold4 comes with a very similar rear camera setup to the one found on the Galaxy S22 and S22+. The selfie situation, meanwhile, is the same...
m.gsmarena.com
For the ultrawide, our Fold reports the Sony IMX 258 - a fairly ancient imager with a 1/3.06" optical format and 1.12µm pixels. Its native resolution is 13MP, but Samsung lists it at 12MP, and that's the size of images it outputs. While the sensor itself has AF capability, the camera as a package doesn't support it. The lens covers a 123-degree field of view, as per Samsung's specs, and has an f/2.2 aperture. That's the Fold3's contribution to the rear setup, while the S22 uses a nicer 1/2.55" sensor with 1.4µm pixels.
[email protected] said:
Samsung Galaxy Z Fold4 review
The Galaxy Z Fold4 comes with a very similar rear camera setup to the one found on the Galaxy S22 and S22+. The selfie situation, meanwhile, is the same...
m.gsmarena.com
For the ultrawide, our Fold reports the Sony IMX 258 - a fairly ancient imager with a 1/3.06" optical format and 1.12µm pixels. Its native resolution is 13MP, but Samsung lists it at 12MP, and that's the size of images it outputs. While the sensor itself has AF capability, the camera as a package doesn't support it. The lens covers a 123-degree field of view, as per Samsung's specs, and has an f/2.2 aperture. That's the Fold3's contribution to the rear setup, while the S22 uses a nicer 1/2.55" sensor with 1.4µm pixels.
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GSM Arena`s Fold 3 review indicates that the Sensor is a Samsung S5K3L6... I think that or the reviewers are lost or there is several camera setups out ther on the same models...
rafafischer said:
GSM Arena`s Fold 3 review indicates that the Sensor is a Samsung S5K3L6... I think that or the reviewers are lost or there is several camera setups out ther on the same models...
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I don't know but it's still a crap sensor that is being used, I could record 60fps with S20, S21, S21 Ultra and S22 with the UW camera, so no way the Fold is getting any software update that enables it.
[email protected] said:
I don't know but it's still a crap sensor that is being used, I could record 60fps with S20, S21, S21 Ultra and S22 with the UW camera, so no way the Fold is getting any software update that enables it.
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Note20, S20/21 and S20/21+ all haven't 60FPS on UW camera at launch, so there is hope for us about it
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Note20, S20/21 and S20/21+ all haven't 60FPS on UW camera at launch, so there is hope for us about it
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no chance, it's a crap sensor, the other phones did have better and newer one.
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Few testing photos
I've loved the quality from the camera , I came from a Galaxy s10 and the difference is crazy noticeable, man the sharpness , contrast ,detail , zoom , bro is amazing I'm freaking nin love with this phone , sorry I can't upload photos , xda app says "bad request" ?
I don't know...the quality of the zoom is pretty junk
cause there is no zoom just sensor cropping and pathetic pricing, try Mi 10 pro
I like S20 Ultra 108Mpx sensor. Mostly I'm shooting on this sensor with export to 12Mpx in Lightroom if I'm not using 0.5x or 4x lenses.
https://photos.miksa.cz/Samsung-Galaxy-S20-Ultra-5G/Plucinske-skaly-18042020/
So I had an exynos S20, camera was very poor even after the update.
The 64mp camera had practically no auto focus, and the lag in taking the pic ment blur on every photo.
The lower resolution helped with the auto focus however still lag in the photo taking.
I am so much mad at this quality of photos near objects
I was trying to send my friend photo some resistors , and tried 5 times and photo is not sharp !
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3b4kpk2jfh35ov1/20200422_190444.jpg?dl=0
shame on me that I sold my old pixel4XL phone
Ultra has problem with close photo. Try more distance and zoom.
nowy57 said:
I am so much mad at this quality of photos near objects
I was trying to send my friend photo some resistors , and tried 5 times and photo is not sharp !
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3b4kpk2jfh35ov1/20200422_190444.jpg?dl=0
shame on me that I sold my old pixel4XL phone
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The main camera isn't for shots that close
I hadn't had a Samsung phone for a while, and I've come from a Mate 20 Pro, so although the camera on my S20+ "can" be better, it sometimes isn't at all. Macro is one area where Huawei does it so much better, all you need to do on a Huawei phone is get close to the target and the ai automatically switches camera lens for you to the best option, and focuses perfectly... This is something Samsung seems to lack, and it's a big miss for me. But surely, something that can be added in software.
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I hadn't had a Samsung phone for a while, and I've come from a Mate 20 Pro, so although the camera on my S20+ "can" be better, it sometimes isn't at all. Macro is one area where Huawei does it so much better, all you need to do on a Huawei phone is get close to the target and the ai automatically switches camera lens for you to the best option, and focuses perfectly... This is something Samsung seems to lack, and it's a big miss for me. But surely, something that can be added in software.
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Used to hate that with my P30, there was no way to disable AI from switching to macro, if they'd added that feature to the AI on/off function it would have made a lot more sense
Didn't you just used to turn off Master Ai? That's what I used to do on the Mate 20 Pro on the odd occasion and it was very easy, but personally I thought it was mostly a great feature.
*Detection* said:
Used to hate that with my P30, there was no way to disable AI from switching to macro, if they'd added that feature to the AI on/off function it would have made a lot more sense
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did you try to scan(make photo) of text page ?
I do a lots of scaning recipts/invoice and send them to my acccountant , most of them is not readble , too blurry
madpete said:
Didn't you just used to turn off Master Ai? That's what I used to do on the Mate 20 Pro on the odd occasion and it was very easy, but personally I thought it was mostly a great feature.
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Yes, as I said, disabling AI made no difference for macro auto
Oh right, that's wierd it worked fine on my Mate 20 Pro.
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Used to hate that with my P30, there was no way to disable AI from switching to macro, if they'd added that feature to the AI on/off function it would have made a lot more sense
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Yes, as I said, disabling AI made no difference for macro auto
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Even my old iPhone 7 takes better photos then my S20+ Exynos
Make a comparison and show results.
Hello guys , I have a p40 pro , I just get it and I can still return it ...the thing its that I'm thinking to move to S20 Ultra , It's worth it ? From what I saw the camera on S20 Ultra its pretty bad .
Also, if someone knows , In UK at vodafone , wich version its sold , Ex or Snapdragon ?
I'm thinking about samsung because it has google services and much more development , but camera it's very important as well .
nowy57 said:
did you try to scan(make photo) of text page ?
I do a lots of scaning recipts/invoice and send them to my acccountant , most of them is not readble , too blurry
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what is your device? no issues for me S20 Ultra exynos
Hello,
I have a silly question but I am very curious about it so I thought I would ask the experts .
Would a ported Google Camera take advantage of the S20 Ultra hardware or would it produce exactly the same photos as on Pixel? For example, would the Portrait mode improve for photos from the rear camera since S20 Ultra has ToF sensor and Pixel doesn't?
Or would pictures in general improve assuming there would be pixel binning from S20 Ultra and Google's HDR+?
Thank you for your insight
Rule of thumb is GCAM will always increase quality, Historically a custom build would need to be built and will most likely need root to take advantage of all 3 cameras. Most likely it will only be main cam.
Enigma_cpl03 said:
Rule of thumb is GCAM will always increase quality, Historically a custom build would need to be built and will most likely need root to take advantage of all 3 cameras. Most likely it will only be main cam.
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So essentially while one could use GCam in certain situations it would never be a 100% replacement of the Samsung camera app, right? That's a shame, from the S20 Ultra reviews the picture quality (HDR) looked quite inconsistent which is not something I ever experienced with my Pixel, hence the idea of using GCam with S20.
I was especially curious about portrait mode from the rear camera with ToF which my Pixel doesn't have -> hopefully improved object separation, and Night Sight (if pixel binning is done on hardware level + software processing from Google).
I'm guessing pixel binning is done on hardware, so you'll only get 12MP photos from the main sensor using GCam. Historically only the main sensor + wide angle are exposed via camera2 API by Samsung, so those lenses will likely work fine. Remains to be seen if telephoto is exposed as well, GCam on that hardware zoom could be dope.
kvell36 said:
I'm guessing pixel binning is done on hardware, so you'll only get 12MP photos from the main sensor using GCam. Historically only the main sensor + wide angle are exposed via camera2 API by Samsung, so those lenses will likely work fine. Remains to be seen if telephoto is exposed as well, GCam on that hardware zoom could be dope.
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Pixel binning is done on the SW side. You can't change the size of the sensor hardware wise. It's always a 108mp sensor, and the SW bins it down to 12mp.
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Pixel binning is done on the SW side. You can't change the size of the sensor hardware wise. It's always a 108mp sensor, and the SW bins it down to 12mp.
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Well yea it's done in the software but I mean to GCam it'll likely show up as a 12MP sensor due to the firmware Samsung will bake into the ROM, meaning for our purposes it's essentially at hardware level. In their camera app the default is 12MP so that will likely be the format exposed. You see this with the selfie cameras in current Samsung phones which are 10MP but cropped to 6.5MP by default, and that's the only resolution we get in 3rd party apps.
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Well yea it's done in the software but I mean to GCam it'll likely show up as a 12MP sensor due to the firmware Samsung will bake into the ROM, meaning for our purposes it's essentially at hardware level. In their camera app the default is 12MP so that will likely be the format exposed. You see this with the selfie cameras in current Samsung phones which are 10MP but cropped to 6.5MP by default, and that's the only resolution we get in 3rd party apps.
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I'm no expert, but I'm not sure this is the case. Guess time will tell.
Do you know if Samsung offer some custom camera SDK?
I mean Camera2 May be insufficient for the 108mp nonabinning sensor. Your average demosaic algorithm will make pitiful mess out of it.
So I think anything but dedicated software will make mess out of the camera.
Ideally one would like to set different exposure timing for the 9 sub pixels and do some weird maths to get large sensor like dynamic range for example. That is what is hot about this sensor. Running stupid software written for regular 12m sensor is waste.
I just took some photos at Best Buy, dont think Gcam is needed. Pics looked really good.
My original comment hurt someone's feelings. I have edited it because of that.
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But, all the reviews are crap and you canceled your phone.....
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Why are you a wiseasz? I said i was going to return it, if it wasn't any good. Your post is is unnecessary.
My original comment hurt someone's feelings. I have edited it because of that.
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So essentially while one could use GCam in certain situations it would never be a 100% replacement of the Samsung camera app, right? That's a shame, from the S20 Ultra reviews the picture quality (HDR) looked quite inconsistent which is not something I ever experienced with my Pixel, hence the idea of using GCam with S20.
I was especially curious about portrait mode from the rear camera with ToF which my Pixel doesn't have -> hopefully improved object separation, and Night Sight (if pixel binning is done on hardware level + software processing from Google).
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In my opinion, it is way too early to put much stock in any reviews being done on the S20 Ultra camera. It is so early - only a few handsets out right now - more will be shipped this week - and like most past samsung devices, Updates that improve and often fix issues that were discovered pre launch or even post launch, will surely address the issues (most if not all) that have been raised by these early reviews.
Bottom line, Samsung is putting a lot into the success of this phone and most of that success will be driven by it's camera. You can be sure that Samsung will do everything possible to make it the best that it can be. IMHO.
Is there currently a version compatible with the s20 ultra?
Eckono42 said:
Is there currently a version compatible with the s20 ultra?
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try Urnyx05-v2.3
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1016/
I tested previously on a demo unit (snapdragon); the main (12mp) and ultrawide lenses seemed to capture and save images; tele lens did not toggle though
Thanks I sure will.
I think if eventually will, the level of functionally ported over will be a different thing.
Hello everyone, I have the aura blue S20 plus. I had a s10 before the s20 plus is borderline too big for me.
I went for the plus because of the ToF sensor and zoom in mic, in my opinion the s20 plus had the best cameras (better than the ultra's).
Right now I am considering trading in for the Fold 2, which looks like it has the s20's cameras. I'm not sure how much I'm losing giving up the ToF sensor. Will quick measure still work? I think I will lose 3d scan.
imgur [dot] com/gallery/nWACMp4
The only example I've seen the ToF sensor make a difference in a photo.
I have the regular S20 5G (NA release unlocked), and do not miss the ToF sensor. Portrait shots (live focus) still give nice bokeh. There are YouTube vids out there that show the ToF doesnt really do anything , pics were taken w/ ToF covered and not covered and both are near identical . Imo it's the software that's doing all the work , fast moving shots it might help out . Samsung's camera app is getting dam near pixel level in this regard.
Can you share the video please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzCNc0Gbnnw
seek to 3:20 ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRj6AfaNCaM
seek to 2:43
Thank you. I had seen that first video.
The dark blue in the second video is the s20+ I have
Are the cameras on the 3 Samsung s20/ plus and the ultra all pretty much the same quality? Are is the camera on the Samsung CEO ultra way better than the CEO plus and the base model CEO device? I'm just wondering if it's worth spending the extra $ on the CEO ultra device. Basically is a camera on the s20 ultra way better than the base model s20 and s20 plus. Get somebody please let me know thanks in advance!!! I'm using the LG cup right now. Is the camera on the s20 plus s20 Ultra in the base model s20 way better than the v 60 LG device camera.
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( Exynos S20 U )
I like the camera, it has its limitations to take close-up photos, you can limit that by taking more distance and then zooming in, auto focus on the S20 Ultra is a bit restless, don't expect to take 1 photo there take several photos and pick the best ones out and tinker with snapseed until a good result is achieved for you, you are not familiar with taking and editing photos, 108 MP with the TOF sensor is perfect in certain situations, video recordings at 4 K and now the 21: 9 format is great, only manual, autofocus is unreliable !!. , in short, buy what you can handle, amateur? don't buy samsung!>
No, the S20 & S20+ crop into the sensor for the tele lens not an actual tele lens and the IQ from it is poor, the S20U is an actual tele lens. The UWA is similar in both, and the std lens is 108 mp vs 12mp the S20U takes a range of photos with the 108mp and combines them into a single 12mp photo, and when i compared the 12mp from my S20+ to my S20U the S20U is better detail wise.
Hello,
I just baught a moto G60 because of the 120Hz screen and 108MP camera. Screen is great but when you use the " Ultra res 108MP " it takes about 2-3 seconds to take 1 picture and outside it takes about 5-6 seconds. I installed google camera APK and when I take a photo it says the sensor resolution is 12MP. Does motorola fake the 108MP ?
Many cameras have high res sensors, but process the images as 12mp or 16mp. the high res sensor does have a few advantages, but its mostly just for marketing.
PhotonIce said:
Many cameras have high res sensors, but process the images as 12mp or 16mp. the high res sensor does have a few advantages, but its mostly just for marketing.
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Makes sense. I will probably buy a samsung A73 when it releases.
seems like a good option, its an upgrade in every aspect other than screen refresh rate (120 vs 90), 90 is still great though
Chaos0976 said:
Makes sense. I will probably buy a samsung A73 when it releases.
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good option. ive buy the samsung a73 , its really good for camera user