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UPDATE: Wanted to add from personal experience that these tricks all work on 4.4 KitKat ROMs. This information isn't stale
This guide should work for any Android phone running any ROM. (Though you do have to be rooted for most of these options. Nothing is THAT simple!)
The goal is to reduce your battery drain when your phone is idle. Nothing in this guide will improve your battery life when the phone is in use. But it will keep the battery from draining quickly (actually it will nearly keep it from draining at all) when the screen it off and the phone is not in use. And the battery savings can be extreme! As I write this guide my phone it has been 4 days, 15 hours, and 9 minutes since I last unplugged my Galaxy S4. I have 33% battery life remaining. You can have this too!
These fixes are not your typical "Lower screen brightness and delete carreir bloatware and disable auto syncing" tips. (Though all that stuff is still a good idea)
You can try all of these techniques or just some of them. Some of them will break features of your phone and might not be good options for you. Only you can decide if these fixes are right for you.
Special thanks for Mike216 and Penko956 for the endless research they did Greenifying, freezing, and disabling they did on just about every system and app on thier phone to see what all could be disabled. And to Torbitege who initially helped figure all this out with me for the HTC Sensation.
First off, what's using your battery?
If you're not already familiar with Better Battery Stats, fix that about yourself. Download it. Use it. Love it.
This app will run in the background constantly monitoring what's using your system resources 24 hours a day. It will tell you what apps are causing wakelocks, which are waking the device, etc etc etc.
The app won't do anything to help your battery life. But it will give you the information you need to adjust problematic apps.
Wakelocks and Battery Drain caused by Google Services
The battery saving impact is major.
This is my personal favorite battery saving technique. But it's not right for everyone, so read thoroughly.
Basically Google thinks your phone belongs to Google. Google Services runs A LOT even when you're not using the phone. This causes a ton of wakelocks and wake ups that use battery. I hate that. So I stopped it with a simple mod to the Google Services Framework.
Here's how....
This is a good old fashioned dirty fix, as it breaks some things. Most push notifications WILL NOT WORK AFTER DOING THIS!!!!! So this is not for everyone!!!! You've been warned. Please don't complain later in the thread that you aren't getting new mail or Twitter or whatever notifications after doing this. You're being told up front they will probably not work.
GTalk and GoogleNow (and maybe a few other things) will not work after doing this. Push notifications for any Google apps will also not work. They are casualties of the dirty fix. But if you're like me and never use GTalk or GNow this will help. Some other Google services might not work after this either. But if you're like me and the only Google service you use is the Play Store app, this will not affect you adversely. (Gmail and Google Maps run independantly of the Google Services framework and are not affected at all by this.)
Use this version of the fix for older Google Service Framework installs. You will know if you have a newer version if doing this install doesnt' prevent your wifi and data icons from turning blue (or whatever color your theme uses). If they turn blue, use the newer version below....
You need to download System Tuner from Google Play. The app will tell you to get Android Tuner instead. Don't do it. It doesn't have what you need. The icon is a blue suitcase with tools on it. Thats' the one you want.
First I froze GTalk and Gnow (Google Search). And no, you can't just freeze those two apps without touching the GSF. The GSF will still create wakelocks when trying to activate them even if they are not there. So you have to modify the GSF as well.
Go to System Tuner and select "Start Ups".
Then pick the Google Services Framework from the list and open it. You shoudl see a list of services.
Uncheck the things on the list below. (Basicall anything with GTalk or Checkin in the title)
gtalkservice.diagnostits.gtalkdiagnostics
gtalkservice.connection autherrordialog
talk.talkprovider
checkin.checinservices$reciever
checkin.checkinservices$triggerreciever
checkin.eventlogservices$receiver
gtalkservice.diagnostics.gtalkdiagnosticsbroadcast reciever
gtalkservice.serviceautostarter
gtalkservices.datamessagereciever
gtalkservice.sendxmppreciever
gtalkservices.packageinstalledreciever
gtalkservice.xmppendpointreciever
checkin.evenlogservice
gtalkservice.service.stalkservice
gtalkservice.pushmessagingregistar
You can freeze the GSF entirely with 1 easy step and that will also kill the wakelocks. But the Play Store becomes another casualty if you do that. Disabling the events above will stop the Google Services wakelocks dead in their tracks, and allow the Play Store to continue working. If you want to go that route you can do it but you'd have to unfreeze the GSF everytime you wanted to update an app.
Newer version if you have updated Google Service Framework.
Freeze the Google Services Framework entirely.
Profit.
Note: I haven't personally tried this and can't attest to it's viability to drawbacks. It was suggested by other members in this thread and confirmed to be working by several other people. Your miliage may vary.
One little quirk with both of the above versions is that when you turn on wifi or mobile data, the signal bars don't turn colors. They stay gray because you aren't connecting to the google servers anymore. (They normally change color to indicate that you are connected to the Google servers). After 1 day I stopped noticing they didn't change colors. Now it looks weird to me when I see them colored.
I highly recommend making a Nandroid backup before trying any of this. Once you go that, go nuts! You can't hurt too much when messing with the GSF because it will just shut down google elements. Worst case, you can always just reactivate everything, reboot, and it'll all work like it did before you messed with it. But if you accidentally disable Android System instead of Google Services, you will probably kill your ROM. So back a backup first.
And severely worst case, if you totally louse up your ROM, just restore the Nandroid and it'll all be back to normal in a flash. (Get it? In a 'flash'...haha I crack myself up)
The Greenify App Sollution
The battery saving impact is moderate.
This is one that you're just silly not to be doing.
Get the Greenify App from The Play Store
There is a free version. But its freakin' awesome so buy the donate version. It's $3 and the developer has more than earned it for the way he's making your phone awesome. (The donate version also includes some special experimental features. Read all about it. Do NOT just get the donate version. You need the free version too.)
This app basically lets your freeze any user app when you're not actively using it. And unfreeze it automatically when you want to open it again.
So if you have an app that likes to wake your device and run itself when you're not using the phone, you can just Greenify it and it will be prevented from using any system resources when you're not actively using the app.
You don't want to Greenify everything. Some apps need to run 24/7 like your messaing app, your phone app, etc. If you Greenify those you won't get messages or calls. The app is incredibly simple to us. You just select the app that's causing trouble and tell Greenify to 'go'. And it does the rest. It's just as easy to un-greenify an app if you greenify something you shouldn't have.
Not every app on your phone needs to be Greenified. Most apps behave themselves. Only do this to the ones that are showing as causing wakes or alarms or wakelocks in a battery monitor like Better Battery Stats.
Two that I will suggest for everyone to start with are Google Maps and T Mobile's My Account app. Both of these love to run when the phone is alseep.
If for whatever reason Greenify those apps hinders the way you use your phone, just ungreenify them! Simple as that.
Google Play Services and You
The battery saving impact is noticable.
Google Play Services wakes the phone a lot. It also does a lot. Read more about what all Google Play Services does here.
You have two options for this one. The first option is the nuclear option. Freeze Google Play Services outright. It will never bother you, but it might break some usefulness of other google apps.
The second option, thanks to XDA Member Karpfenhai , is to disable only certain aspects of the Google Play Services. This one uses the same technique mentioned above in the Google Services Framework Section, just different services to disable. (Thanks to Perseus71 for making me aware of this one and asking that it be included!) THIS HAS BEEN RECENTLY UPDATED
NEW PROBLEM AS OF MARCH 2015
The battery saving potential is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED!
Since Google updated Play Services all hell has broken loose on custom roms. You get a persistent and unkillable wakelock for SystemUpdateManager.
The battery drain is horrendous. Your phone is awake and active 100% of the time.
This affects GPS version 7.0.97
I fixed this by going to the permissions manager (built into many aosp roms. If not available in your rom, consult yoir rom thread for ways to alter permissions) and disabling the permission in Google Play Services for "wake" and "keep awake".
Note: Some phones only show "keep awake". Just do that one if that is the case.
The problem is that on custom roms no ota is available. But Google tries to get it anyway. When it fails it doesn't shut down. It just keeps trying.
If the permissions method doesn't work, try this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/fix-fix-systemupdateservice-wakelock-t3060548
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Just so you don't think I'm kidding around when I say you can severely increase your battery drain when idle, take a look at tehse screen shots from my Galaxy S4.
My specific set up is running CyanogenMod 10.1 nightlies with ChronicKernal. I haven't been using my phone much over the past 4 days. I have a total of 2 hours and 34 minutes screen on time and 40 minutes of phone calls during that period. So this is admittedly very light usage. But that's perfect to show you that these techniques really work to minimize battery drain when the phone is idle. And I promise you that your results will vary based on your ROM and Kernel.
This won't make the battery last longer during use. The screen will still burn a lot of battery and the cell radio does too. But if you want to make sure your phone will be charged when you need it without you having to carry a charger with you everywhere you go, these are the mods for you.
As you can see from these screen shots I am at 4 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes since unplugging. I have 31% battery left. (That's what the 31 in the upper left corner is. Thats' from an app called Big Battery Notifier. Its free on Play.)
The other screenshot is from Better Battery Stats showing my Alarms screen. Alarms are loosely the same as wakes. Everytime an app wakes the device (not neccessarily turning the screen on) it will record an alarm. If you look at your BBS alarms screen without these modifications I bet you see a lot more alarms than you see here, and keep in mind that mine screen show is showing 4 and a half days worth. Each one of those represents an app or service waking the device and using battery.
If the written instructions somehow baffle you, here's a video of the whole thing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBpOl77Tm4
This will show you step by step how to do all of this.
Thanks to XDA Member Chaitanyapatel8880 for his work in putting this video together
Just a note. If you convert Google Play Services to a User App (TB), you can then Greenify (free ver.) it. This works very well and does not affect other functions that may rely on that app.
I also Greenify Maps and Google Search. Two more heavy drainers. Convert to User App first.
*Note: You must use Greenify v1.82 to Hibernate Google Play Services! Search this thread for links to it.
Fwiw, my sleep drainage is 0.3 - 0.4%hr, with wifi on 24/7.
I get either 7-8 days standby, or so far, 5.5 days with 3.5 hours screen time, or likely 6-7hrs screen time single day. Screen shots are in my posts.
I would argue too that these settings/tweaks do indeed increase your battery time, since while sleeping, the battery is draining at a much lower rate, therefore keeping more juice for live time use.
Although you and I don't use all of the same "tweaking" programs, we do seem to be on the same mission. Better battery life! :good:
Pinan said:
Just a note. If you convert Google Play Services to a User App (TB), you can then Greenify (free ver.) it. This works very well and does not affect other functions that may rely on that app.
I also Greenify Maps and Google Search. Two more heavy drainers. Convert to User App first.
Fwiw, my sleep drainage is 0.3 - 0.4%hr, with wifi on 24/7.
I get either 7-8 days standby, or so far, 5.5 days with 3.5 hours screen time, or likely 6-7hrs screen time single day. Screen shots are in my posts.
I would argue too that these settings/tweaks do indeed increase your battery time, since while sleeping, the battery is draining at a much lower rate, therefore keeping more juice for live time use.
Although you and I don't use all of the same "tweaking" programs, we do seem to be on the same mission. Better battery life! :good:
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I like your way of dealing with Google play services. I'll change the op later.
That doesn't break function of the play services to run as a user app?
Sent from your phone. You should be careful where you leave that thing.
Skipjacks said:
I like your way of dealing with Google play services. I'll change the op later.
That doesn't break function of the play services to run as a user app?
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I have not noticed any dysfunction, though there are likely some things I don't use. But for me it's been completely functional.
Besides, if I froze it, I'd have none of it's functions at all.
Pinan said:
Just a note. If you convert Google Play Services to a User App (TB), you can then Greenify (free ver.) it. This works very well and does not affect other functions that may rely on that app.
I also Greenify Maps and Google Search. Two more heavy drainers. Convert to User App first.
Fwiw, my sleep drainage is 0.3 - 0.4%hr, with wifi on 24/7.
I get either 7-8 days standby, or so far, 5.5 days with 3.5 hours screen time, or likely 6-7hrs screen time single day. Screen shots are in my posts.
I would argue too that these settings/tweaks do indeed increase your battery time, since while sleeping, the battery is draining at a much lower rate, therefore keeping more juice for live time use.
Although you and I don't use all of the same "tweaking" programs, we do seem to be on the same mission. Better battery life! :good:
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How do I convert those services to user apps?
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rodny23 said:
How do I convert those services to user apps?
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Titanium Backup will do it, I think you need the paid version though.
/System/App Mover is also good app for doing it. It's free on Google Play.
Dang right now Google services is at 41%
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Skipjacks said:
Titanium Backup will do it, I think you need the paid version though.
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Yup. I think you're right.
Something disabled notifications for instagram, etc.
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kevinrubio1 said:
Something disabled notifications for instagram, etc.
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Did you Greenify Instragram? If yes, that explains why you aren't getting notifications.
lordcheeto03 said:
Did you Greenify Instragram? If yes, that explains why you aren't getting notifications.
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Nope, it's something in system tuner, I unchecked all the "checking" things so it's one of the "gtalk" options. I'm narrowing it down
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This has saved a bunch of us from odd battery drain. Skipjacks has been there and done that. Amazing informative thread! Going on two weeks without having to worry about bringing my charger to work thanks to skip
SGH-M919_Omega, the end result
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Nope, it's something in system tuner, I unchecked all the "checking" things so it's one of the "gtalk" options. I'm narrowing it down
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I don't believe it. Instagram is its own thing. It shouldn't be reliant on the google services framework at all.
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Pinan said:
Just a note. If you convert Google Play Services to a User App (TB), you can then Greenify (free ver.) it. This works very well and does not affect other functions that may rely on that app.
I also Greenify Maps and Google Search. Two more heavy drainers. Convert to User App first.
Fwiw, my sleep drainage is 0.3 - 0.4%hr, with wifi on 24/7.
I get either 7-8 days standby, or so far, 5.5 days with 3.5 hours screen time, or likely 6-7hrs screen time single day. Screen shots are in my posts.
I would argue too that these settings/tweaks do indeed increase your battery time, since while sleeping, the battery is draining at a much lower rate, therefore keeping more juice for live time use.
Although you and I don't use all of the same "tweaking" programs, we do seem to be on the same mission. Better battery life! :good:
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I'm not sure whether Greenifying Google Search would save as much battery as freezing it would, but I'm going to try it out and see how it works for me. I'll report back some results in case anyone is curious
funkl3 said:
I'm not sure whether Greenifying Google Search would save as much battery as freezing it would, . .
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It does. It also allows other functions to still work such as TTS. I had the issue a while back. Something to do with shared voice.
I also freeze Contacts and Calendar syncs as well. If I want them to sync I simply thaw them for a few seconds.
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I don't believe it. Instagram is its own thing. It shouldn't be reliant on the google services framework at all.
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Maybe one of the "gtalk" options has something to do with notifications because last night I rebooted my phone a lot checking/unchecking options, none of the "checking" did anything! So that's good, and I unchecked some gtalk but not all and it worked!
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Great guide! A little bitter I had to read all of the pages in the original topic :laugh:
Skipjacks said:
I like your way of dealing with Google play services.
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Btw. I forgot to mention that after I reboot the first thing I do is turn off Google Play in Running Programs. Persistent bugger. And of course I turn off notifications and auto update in GP as well with each new ROM install.
My tweak list is extensive. Someday I'll right it all down as you have. Save me some thinking, LOL.
Hi,
How in the heck do I get rid of the google play services drain...The dang thing is the highest on my device followed by android system...Please help
amirage said:
Hi,
How in the heck do I get rid of the google play services drain...The dang thing is the highest on my device followed by android system...Please help
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It's not the play services process that does the draining, but another app that uses the service. It's simply a vehicle. With well behaved apps, you'd rarely see play services in your battery hog list. You can begin by disabling Play Store's app auto-updating.
quangtran1 said:
It's not the play services process that does the draining, but another app that uses the service. It's simply a vehicle. With well behaved apps, you'd rarely see play services in your battery hog list. You can begin by disabling Play Store's app auto-updating.
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I have done it but I'm really not so hopeful. I don't know if its the auto-update feature that's hogging the battery or if it has anything to do with the google now feature. Apparently google play services is high on the list of activities that use the location services.
I'm really not in a mood to factory reset but then I'm not hopeful that this would really solve the matter...The phone was setup from scratch and all the apps were downloaded fresh... Besides, I don't have that many apps either just the usual gmail, google maps, chrome, Facebook, WhatsApp ...I have disabled movies, games, play stand and other rubbish apps...Can u please share your experience with the battery? What's ur setup? Do you have the google now feature enabled? How do I disable it?
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I have done it but I'm really not so hopeful. I don't know if its the auto-update feature that's hogging the battery or if it has anything to do with the google now feature. Apparently google play services is high on the list of activities that use the location services.
I'm really not in a mood to factory reset but then I'm not hopeful that this would really solve the matter...The phone was setup from scratch and all the apps were downloaded fresh... Besides, I don't have that many apps either just the usual gmail, google maps, chrome, Facebook, WhatsApp ...I have disabled movies, games, play stand and other rubbish apps...Can u please share your experience with the battery? What's ur setup? Do you have the google now feature enabled? How do I disable it?
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First off, I use the Dirty Unicorns ROM, but it shouldn't make a difference. Play services never bothered stock ROM either. I have 156 apps. Location, Bluetooth, WiFi are all enabled. I have 7 smart watches that are configured as well. NFC is the only sensor I disabled. I sync 4 mail accounts, 7 Google calendars, along with your FB, Twitter, Instagram crap. OK Google is always on. You can see in the screenshot that Play Services isn't on my list. I even use Gravity Screen that utilizes the gyro sensor instead of the built-in gestures. I like it better. I admit, my SOT is only about 4 hours a day on average, but my battery is off the charger for 26 hours. I do freeze marketing apps that came with the Pixel, unneeded keyboards, Verizon stuff (but leave the My Verizon app on though). I charge the phone in the car at 6:30am daily as I drive an hour and 20 minutes to work. If I were you, first, I would delete app cache in Settings/Storage. Then I would freeze a few apps at a time and narrow down your potential battery hogs.http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/586d32d248c9c/Screenshot_20170104-115902.png?
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/586d33248b82f/Screenshot_20170104-120311.png?
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quangtran1 said:
First off, I use the Dirty Unicorns ROM, but it shouldn't make a difference. Play services never bothered stock ROM either. I have 156 apps. Location, Bluetooth, WiFi are all enabled. I have 7 smart watches that are configured as well. NFC is the only sensor I disabled. I sync 4 mail accounts, 7 Google calendars, along with your FB, Twitter, Instagram crap. OK Google is always on. You can see in the screenshot that Play Services isn't on my list. I even use Gravity Screen that utilizes the gyro sensor instead of the built-in gestures. I like it better. I admit, my SOT is only about 4 hours a day on average, but my battery is off the charger for 26 hours. I do freeze marketing apps that came with the Pixel, unneeded keyboards, Verizon stuff (but leave the My Verizon app on though). I charge the phone in the car at 6:30am daily as I drive an hour and 20 minutes to work. If I were you, first, I would delete app cache in Settings/Storage. Then I would freeze a few apps at a time and narrow down your potential battery hogs.http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/586d32d248c9c/Screenshot_20170104-115902.png?
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/586d33248b82f/Screenshot_20170104-120311.png?
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Thanks for the info...woah...you have a whole of lot of things going for and I must say you are really using your phone's potential...The only issue with the suggestion is that I need to unlock the boot loader and root the device..it's so very new that I'd like to have it running like this for a while till I get bored of the stock experience...but yes I'll surely try out all the suggestions u have made once I root.:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I have a regular Pixel, and Google Play Services is constantly at the top of my list. I'm often around a computer, so my phone primarily spends its time in standby or being used for calls. Even the times when I use the screen for hours, Google Play Services still reports as using far more battery than anything else.
EDIT: After using Tasker and Toggle Network Type 5.0 to switch to WCDMA only when my phone is in standby, Phone idle has went to the top of the list and Google Play services usage has went down significantly to second on the list.
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I don't know if its the auto-update feature that's hogging the battery or if it has anything to do with the google now feature.
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I have shut off Google Play auto-update and the Google feed. It's possible auto-update could be more aggressive than it used to be, but my previous phone with a smaller battery still could use about 1/3 the standby battery percentage as the Pixel, and I had auto-update over wifi on with that phone. I can't say how much affect turning off the feed had on battery life, but Google Play Services remains at the top of my list with it off. I haven't gotten around to seeing if something like Wakelock Detector could give me some clue about what is going on with my phone, but with auto-update and the Google feed off my battery usage is constantly being reported as primarily coming from Google Play Services.
I'm really not in a mood to factory reset but then I'm not hopeful that this would really solve the matter.
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The only suggestion so far that I haven't tested would be the idea about installed apps using Google Play Services, because a reset alone certainly did not solve my battery usage when I reinstalled my usual apps. It looks like I put a few apps on the new phone that I hadn't used on my previous phone, and I never tracked the battery usage without additional apps installed. I may try resetting and see if I get different behavior by installing apps over time, so I can check for changes in Google Play Services usage as apps are added.
amirage said:
Thanks for the info...woah...you have a whole of lot of things going for and I must say you are really using your phone's potential...The only issue with the suggestion is that I need to unlock the boot loader and root the device..it's so very new that I'd like to have it running like this for a while till I get bored of the stock experience...but yes I'll surely try out all the suggestions u have made once I root.:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Some suggestions provided here.
https://www.androidpit.com/google-play-services-what-is-it-and-what-is-it-for
The disable Auto-sync data suggestion from the link might save some battery, yet I've always turned that off, so it's not the cause of the issues on my phone. My prior Android phone had a short issue with Google Play burning through battery that was eventually fixed by an update, but I'm not sure what good it would do to uninstall Google Play Services updates, since all three OS versions have had the same issue. It's just silly that Google Play Services reports using more power than the screen, which is probably why I thought the iPhone 7 got a lot better battery life than the Pixel. Unfortunately Apple only provides Mac users a way to know notifications have been received without touching an iPhone, so hopefully I can eventually track down the Android battery usage to an app or some other similarly easy to correct problem. At this point I only have 5 apps from the Play Store installed, although it looks like safe mode also shuts off some of the default apps like Keep.
My phone reported about 200 mAh from Google Services while in safe mode over the past day, which is also labeled Google Play services when not in safe mode. The Pixel was mostly just idle with the screen off and not doing anything, so that may be around the minimum usage per day I can reasonably expect from Google Play services on the standard Pixel.
Edit: I flashed the January update and allowed the wipe. After shutting off most of the options for Google, like Google Assistant, the phone reported nearly 200 mAh from Google Play services in a day, so that seems around the minimum I can get by using the options the OS provides.
I seriously think it's a rogue app...I did a factory reset and so far it's been good.
amirage said:
I seriously think it's a rogue app...I did a factory reset and so far it's been good.
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Good for you. Play services doesn't drain battery on its own. Some app has to misbehave or demand exclusive control of the play store app to cause play services to run wild.
Hello Guys and Gals,
Its been awhile since i have been on here. But i have been very satisfied with my Note4. However. It had come to a point that carrying 4 batteries with me to make it through the day was too much.
Here i am . Finally upgraded to the 8+ and overall. I am very dissapointed.
So. i would like some input on what changes you have done, as well as apps running, how much you use the device, your daily connections. and so on.
i have:
Bluetooth always on, connected to my Gear S2
Location services always on
I am a big social media junky, on FB, and IG, not too much of Snapchat.
I use Line to talk to my group that i game with
I play Transformers Earth Wars, about 15 minutes at a time a few times a day.
Do not use bixby
Screen display is set at Amoled Cinema, HD resolution, auto brightness is turned off stays between 30-60%
Very Rarely use WiFi
Google apps do not auto Update
USB Debugging
3 gmail accounts linked, sync is off
Anything else just ask,
So after my 8hr shift of work, my phone is at about 40%, my Note4 on would almost make the whole day, i would get to about 20%, then i would switch batteries.
I am not happy with the battery. Just seems like for no reason it is draining.
Comment below, let me know your setting, impressions, and so on.......... Maybe im doing something wrong and dont realize it.
Well your first problem is all the social media apps, pretty much all of them just destroy battery life. When your not using those apps I would put them to sleep.
You need to monitor which apps are draining the battery. You can do this through the stock device mait. app. Once you find out which apps are causing the drain we can go from there.
I use standard mode, screen on WQHD, sync always on, all data no wifi, screen at 50 % or higher. No social media apps, I use the browser for those.
Here's some screen shots of battery life, this is and average battery cycle, I have reached over 9hrs of Screen on time (SOT) and 1.5 days in previous cycles.
Quickvic30 said:
Well your first problem is all the social media apps, pretty much all of them just destroy battery life. When your not using those apps I would put them to sleep.
You need to monitor which apps are draining the battery. You can do this through the stock device mait. app. Once you find out which apps are causing the drain we can go from there.
I use standard mode, screen on WQHD, sync always on, all data no wifi, screen at 50 % or higher. No social media apps, I use the browser for those.
Here's some screen shots of battery life, this is and average battery cycle, I have reached over 9hrs of Screen on time (SOT) and 1.5 days in previous cycles.
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ill try that. i close my apps out as soon as im done, but im guessing that isnt enough anymore. Thanks for the info. Just was hoping to get away from the charger, but it seems that will not happen.
primus123 said:
ill try that. i close my apps out as soon as im done, but im guessing that isnt enough anymore. Thanks for the info. Just was hoping to get away from the charger, but it seems that will not happen.
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Believe it or not sometimes that consumes more battery life having to open the app every time vs just letting it run in the background. Probably not true with social media apps but it's worth a try. You may also want to try a package disabler app from the play store to disable apps you don't use that run in the background. I use BK package disabler.
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Quickvic30 said:
Believe it or not sometimes that consumes more battery life having to open the app every time vs just letting it run in the background. Probably not true with social media apps but it's worth a try. You may also want to try a package disabler app from the play store to disable apps you don't use that run in the background. I use BK package disabler.
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Ok, i may give that a shot.
Thanks,
I am testing a faulty app that it's being faulty during deep sleep, therefore to fasten testing I would need an app which can force the phone to enter deep sleep mode immediately.
Any idea?
Macrodroid or Tasker maybe
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Hello
look for an app called napptime it may help you.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
look for an app called napptime it may help you.
Jay
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As he said naptime is the better option for this?
Thanks guys!
Try disabling all power management apps ie all the toggles in Device Care are toggled off except fast charging.
Do not enable sleep for any; Developer options>stand by apps, all buckets should show as active if not power management is active.
Close apps when done with them especially ones like Brave.
The phone will automatically go into a deep sleep state at screen off unless a 3rd party apk is misbehaving.
On my 10+ running on Pie this is how it runs best and gets the best battery life.
Goggle Play Services, Gmail, Playstore, Google Backup Transport, Google Framework and Samsung cloud backup are prime offenders*.
Disable these and all Google, Samsung, carrier and apk feedback. I use Karma Firewall to find rogue apks and lock the phone down as well as a package blocker.
I also use Battery Tracker from the Galaxy Store.
Nominal battery usage is 7-10%@hour heavy usage like vids and surfing. Off screen usage with AOD on is 1%@hour.
*enable when and as needed
Try Naptime and what blackhawk says!
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Try Naptime and what blackhawk says!
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You'll need to play with it; what works with my configuration may not work for others.
These are my current observations. My stock AT&T 10+ variant is heavy modified and watched over. As I intend to continue to use the current Pie firmware, I continue to tweak it.
What I've observed though over the last year to my dismay is any power management interferes with functionality sometimes randomly and unpredictably. It actually ends up increasing battery usage within a few days although initially it may seem to improve it.
Apparently it causes system conflicts.
I have no power management active other than the screen is set to "optimize" in Device Care and even Device Care is package blocked then unless I wish to use it to clear the cache (which the factory load version does very well).
I toggle Google Play Services/Gmail on as needed and a few other battery hogs. Point is I know their status; no random shutdowns or apk failures... and the best battery life I've ever seen on this device.
You need to go explore, find the resource hogs one by one and find a way to tone them down.
All the shotgun get it done power management apks failed miserably for myself multiple times....
Android runs very well by its self once your rein in a couple problem apks.
Many times the factory loaded versions run better then their updated versions. Gmail, Gmaps, Device Care... may or may not be true on your load; trust nothing!
ReeX said:
I am testing a faulty app that it's being faulty during deep sleep, therefore to fasten testing I would need an app which can force the phone to enter deep sleep mode immediately.
Any idea?
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Naptime
for me, forcedoze was the best, you can download apk
blackhawk said:
Try disabling all power management apps ie all the toggles in Device Care are toggled off except fast charging.
Do not enable sleep for any; Developer options>stand by apps, all buckets should show as active if not power management is active.
Close apps when done with them especially ones like Brave.
The phone will automatically go into a deep sleep state at screen off unless a 3rd party apk is misbehaving.
On my 10+ running on Pie this is how it runs best and gets the best battery life.
Goggle Play Services, Gmail, Playstore, Google Backup Transport, Google Framework and Samsung cloud backup are prime offenders*.
Disable these and all Google, Samsung, carrier and apk feedback. I use Karma Firewall to find rogue apks and lock the phone down as well as a package blocker.
I also use Battery Tracker from the Galaxy Store.
Nominal battery usage is 7-10%@hour heavy usage like vids and surfing. Off screen usage with AOD on is 1%@hour.
*enable when and as needed
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When I go into standby mode in developers options each app has 3 options. Frequent, rate, working set. What should I put them on?
Also what exactly does standby mode do? Is it manually disabling that app while not in use or only when you close it? As far as closing the apps, will closing them via the recent apps screen suffice or do I need to force close them?
And my last question is what do you mean by disabling an app such as play services?
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yungzoe0624 said:
When I go into standby mode in developers options each app has 3 options. Frequent, rate, working set. What should I put them on?
Also what exactly does standby mode do? Is it manually disabling that app while not in use or only when you close it? As far as closing the apps, will closing them via the recent apps screen suffice or do I need to force close them?
And my last question is what do you mean by disabling an app such as play services?
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It shows the app's bucket state when power management is enabled.
Your power management is enabled... and likely wasting battery even though it's suppose to do the opposite. If power management is disabled as I suggested, all buckets are locked to active.
Right now I have GPS enabled; I disable Device Health Services com as it was constantly accessing the internet.
Usually closing the app is all that's needed.
Use Karma Firewall and Battery Tracker to help ferret out bad apps.
Depending on your model, OS/firmware load, 3rd party apks and settings configuration your system may respond differently.
I have heavily modified them on this 10+ Pie variant; it's an ongoing process. I have around 88 apks packaged disabled as well.
Androids wuv to be played with...
Anyone know how I might go about diagnosing why my phone has been running much warmer than usual? Just browsing Facebook (posts, not video) for about 5 minutes with brightness around 25% the temp was up to 41 degrees. It happened earlier today when I was just using Chrome, and it happens most days now. The issue began when I updated to 11.2.8.8 (the very next day), and the phone overheated several times the first few days, evidenced by the system warning about temperature, then recovering several minutes later. I haven't seen the system warning since then, but it's frequently above 40 degrees just doing everyday tasks. Oddly, I haven't noticed it overheating when playing games.
I usually run Omega kernel, which has always run cooler than stock during both normal use and heavy gaming, but this issue has occurred with both stock and Omega, so it's not kernel-related. The only magisk modules I have installed are debloater (for YouTube only), font manager, and systemless hosts, so that's not it either.
Maybe some app going haywire (how to find it? Nothing in battery usage) or some system behavior that changed in 11.2.8.8? Anyone else have this issue or find what's causing it?
That's just how this phone is. It was worse when the phone released before all of the updates. They've been slowly trying to fix it with each update. The 888 is a hot *****.
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That's just how this phone is. It was worse when the phone released before all of the updates. They've been slowly trying to fix it with each update. The 888 is a hot *****.
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I remember having that complaint when I first got it, especially when gaming, but it's been fine for me since like April, until this last update. And with Omega several degrees cooler. So there has to be something new causing it....
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I remember having that complaint when I first got it, especially when gaming, but it's been fine for me since like April, until this last update. And with Omega several degrees cooler. So there has to be something new causing it....
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What version of Omega are you on? What build of OOS? AA, BA, DA? Are there any unusual rogue apps that you've noticed running more than usual?
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What version of Omega are you on? What build of OOS? AA, BA, DA? Are there any unusual rogue apps that you've noticed running more than usual?
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Latest version of Omega (8/7) since yesterday, but was having the same issue on the previous build (7/30). I'm on OOS 11.2.8.8 BA.
I haven't noticed any apps using more battery than expected, but I guess that might be part of my question... If there are any, what's the best way to find them? I'm not seeing any useful info in BBS or anything in GSam I wouldn't expect, except overall battery drain is a bit higher when it's been running hot. I do have a lot of apps installed and should probably clean up what I don't use, so I guess that's a place to start.
Find which apks are using the battery.
Google system apks are prime suspects.
Trash apps like FB, WhatsApp, LinkedIn... none of that junkware runs on my device, ever.
Examine all startup apks closely, take out the trash.
Power management can end up causing excessive battery usage, try turning it off.
Track down each battery hog and deal with it on a case by case basis rather than the flip a switch shotgun approach.
I use Karma Firewall's logging feature to help track down offenders.
Dependencies... sometimes the source of the high usage is hidden. What apks and services are running? What apks are using what services and why? What's apks are getting cached first when you clear them all? Any memory leaks?
Play with it... Androids wuv attention
blackhawk said:
Find which apks are using the battery.
Google system apks are prime suspects.
Trash apps like FB, WhatsApp, LinkedIn... none of that junkware runs on my device, ever.
Examine all startup apks closely, take out the trash.
Power management can end up causing excessive battery usage, try turning it off.
Track down each battery hog and deal with it on a case by case basis rather than the flip a switch shotgun approach.
I use Karma Firewall's logging feature to help track down offenders.
Dependencies... sometimes the source of the high usage is hidden. What apks and services are running? What apks are using what services and why? What's apks are getting cached first when you clear them all? Any memory leaks?
Play with it... Androids wuv attention
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Good ideas. I just installed Karma Firewall and will see if it turns up anything.
How do you manage startup apps and running services? I used to use Servicely, but with Android 11 I find that even when I disable apps at startup they still start on their own, and it seems to use more battery than it saves. I've since disabled all apps of that kind and just let Android manage things itself. The only thing I do is go to individual apps and turn on battery optimization and disable background data if not needed, and I keep apps I don't use often in Icebox, including Facebook, which is the only social media type app I have. (Uninstalling FB isn't an option unfortunately.)
What do you mean by "which apps are getting cached first when you clear them all?" and how might I find it there are memory leaks?
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Good ideas. I just installed Karma Firewall and will see if it turns up anything.
How do you manage startup apps and running services? I used to use Servicely, but with Android 11 I find that even when I disable apps at startup they still start on their own, and it seems to use more battery than it saves. I've since disabled all apps of that kind and just let Android manage things itself. The only thing I do is go to individual apps and turn on battery optimization and disable background data if not needed, and I keep apps I don't use often in Icebox, including Facebook, which is the only social media type app I have. (Uninstalling FB isn't an option unfortunately.)
What do you mean by "which apps are getting cached first when you clear them all?" and how might I find it there are memory leaks?
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Karma's logging feature doesn't work in 10 and above I believe, I run Pie. See what you got though. It will still block apk internet access though and uses almost no battery.
The battery optimization option can cause erratic behavior and I never use it. Close apps when done with them. Brave browser for instance will run in the background until closed.
Developer options>running services memory leaks show up as an apk who's memory usage just keeps increasing with time. It can get quit large. These are rare and poorly coded programs. More common on Windows.
Keep an eye though for memory hungry apps as they may be using excessive power but not always. Small memory users can be worse. Dependencies, sometimes a apk or service keeps making repeated requests because of a disabled apk or service.
Killing Goggle play Services and Playstore when not needed will help battery life.
Google backup Transport, Framework and Firebase are always disabled on my device.
All carrier, manufacturer, and Google feedback are disabled.
I have a Samsung device and I use its Device Care app to clear the cached apks. Then watch as they repopulate. You'll need an app that does this. In running services you can disable a suspect apk and see how long it takes to come back. I find that Device Care is more effective though and that ability has let me track down some misbehaving system apks saving me a reload.
FB is weaponized and a proven liability. Known data miner. Purveyor of disinformation and dissent. It has ruined countless lives and careers. It deliberately makes you have load the app to be able to send messages. If this last year hasn't taught you what you need to know...
I used it for one month 15 years ago and knew what it was back then. It's far worse today.
Don't feed the beast.
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Karma's logging feature doesn't work in 10 and above I believe, I run Pie. See what you got though. It will still block apk internet access though and uses almost no battery.
The battery optimization option can cause erratic behavior and I never use it. Close apps when done with them. Brave browser for instance will run in the background until closed.
Developer options>running services memory leaks show up as an apk who's memory usage just keeps increasing with time. It can get quit large. These are rare and poorly coded programs. More common on Windows.
Keep an eye though for memory hungry apps as they may be using excessive power but not always. Small memory users can be worse. Dependencies, sometimes a apk or service keeps making repeated requests because of a disabled apk or service.
Killing Goggle play Services and Playstore when not needed will help battery life.
Google backup Transport, Framework and Firebase are always disabled on my device.
All carrier, manufacturer, and Google feedback are disabled.
I have a Samsung device and I use its Device Care app to clear the cached apks. Then watch as they repopulate. You'll need an app that does this. In running services you can disable a suspect apk and see how long it takes to come back. I find that Device Care is more effective though and that ability has let me track down some misbehaving system apks saving me a reload.
FB is weaponized and a proven liability. Known data miner. Purveyor of disinformation and dissent. It has ruined countless lives and careers. It deliberately makes you have load the app to be able to send messages. If this last year hasn't taught you what you need to know...
I used it for one month 15 years ago and knew what it was back then. It's far worse today.
Don't feed the beast.
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Thanks for the info, it's interesting. However, if you're running Pie & not even using a OnePlus device, none of this is going to be applicable to my issue which is specific to OOS 11.2.8.8 on this particular device, only present since last month's update.
Re: FB - I'm required to use it for my job (well, second job), and I need it on my mobile device in order to do that job, so it's not going away. Freezing it when not in use is the best I can do.
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Thanks for the info, it's interesting. However, if you're running Pie & not even using a OnePlus device, none of this is going to be applicable to my issue which is specific to OOS 11.2.8.8 on this particular device, only present since last month's update.
Re: FB - I'm required to use it for my job (well, second job), and I need it on my mobile device in order to do that job, so it's not going away. Freezing it when not in use is the best I can do.
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You cross platform OS version and manufacturer to find solutions. I have a lot of posts here but few asking for help because I do the above or just keeps at it until I work it out as it's my issue.
*shakes head*
You've painted yourself into a corner.
@terlynn4 I use BatteryGuru because it uses root to find rogue apps that are draining battery unnecessarily. Give it a go and see if that helps pinpoint the problem at all.