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Well just got upgraded to the SGS II.
Curious if there is anything i should know about the device. I know its beautiful.. and i herd about screen issues but i was holding one and could see anything wrong with the screen...
So Pros, Cons, Quirks, anything you wish you knew off hand?
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
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freakyliciousfishy said:
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
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not entirely true about voice talk actions. the Samsung one may have been taking out since it sucks anyways. stock android voice commands work better IMO.
I recently switched from the sensation to the Galaxy S2 and im 1000% glad i did, samsung did a amazing job on this device. And TouchWiz is pretty cool and not laggy and slow as sense.
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
Thanks for the replies. I am excited about this phone. Sucks that it is on back order and will be another week or more till it even ships .
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Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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The processor doesn't suck. It has better browser performance according to anandtech. The problem is that samsung has hardware acceleration for the stock rom on their other variants and not this one. The miui phone apparently blows most phones out of the water with its processor which is the same as this phone. Tons of optimization. All the same games run on both processors without hiccups. Also 42mbs is not the speed it can theoretically go up to that speed.
Realistic speeds are more along the lines 20 down and whatever uplpoad. I seen some people even get 26 down which is basically advertised lte speeds from Verizon. Also when you put both phones on gingerbread lets say cyanogen mod since its optimized you won't see a difference. You only see it on a stock touchwiz rom i doubt you'll see a difference when your on ice cream sandwich as well.
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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i dont get it either, and as far as benchmarks even though they really dont matter my scores on the phone stock not rooted out of the box were 200 points better than any review on any website had the other variants at with the exynos.Gotta watch which article you read because it hard to find them that are un-biased .Naturally if they are reviewing a phone for a carrier its gonna be biased towards it. Only way of really reviewing a phone is hands on so you can do it yourself. Some people just care wayyy too much about stuff that dont matter.....i love this phone
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
In return for this boost in possible data rates, some things are lost with the change over to Snapdragon. Perhaps the most important difference between the Exynos and Snapdragon is the graphics performance. As is the case with all SoCs, these chips have dedicated GPUs. The Qualcomm chip in the T-Mobile Galaxy S runs an Adreno 220, which is a fine component. Exynos, on the other hand, far surpasses it in graphical prowess.
The Exynos is the first mainstream SoC to license and use the ARM Mali-400 GPU. This is a quad-core graphics processor that bests all the other chips in GPU performance. So by going with a Snapdragon, even one clocked up to 1.5GHz, T-Mobile is sacrificing a significant amount of performance.
Straight processing power is also greater on the Exynos chip, but the gap is smaller than for the GPU. Qualcomm still uses its Scorpion core — a core developed to match the Cortex-A8, but Exynos is Cortex-A9. Snapdragon isn’t completely left in the dust because it’s still a solid custom architecture, but a 1.2GHz Exynos will still crunch more bits than a 1.5GHz Snapdragon.
The Snapdragon will offer users one additional benefit in the form of better battery life. The Qualcomm-designed Scorpion to be capable of asynchronous operation, making it possible for an unneeded core to be clocked down independently. This is much better for standby time and low-impact tasks.
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http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/96267-how-samsungs-chip-change-up-affects-the-t-mobile-galaxy-s2
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
brian_v3ntura said:
that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
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there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
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by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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sucks in the sense of old hardware.
All in all. It's your opinion and your view of what fits your needs right? It's not being constructive to give criticism when it only is one sided. I can tell you value the best and fastest in technology. there are ways to express it than to bring everyone down. I could care less about gpu or the type of processor because I have an actual laptop for that. I am happy with the speed and response of this phone. So to downplay things you think are wrong with this phone with cliffnotes and technical theories then you really aren't being constructive.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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I played dungeon defenders I'm rooted it doesn't slow down or anything. I don't see your point. BladeSlinger is for all android devices.... Not to mention ShadowGun looks exactly like it in quality and i can play that on my device as well smoothly. Bladeslinger also pauses in the middle of gameplay to do a special move. Shadowgun enemies are always shooting at you.
Chainfire prove before that all you need is simple plugins to run the tega2 only games or qualcomm only games on any device. What makes you think it will be so different in the future. No one will be using the same exynos next year majority of ppl will sell of the galaxy s2 or the galaxy s3. It will be the same with the Qualcomm processor for the new krait or the new tegra3 processor. I can play dungeon defenders on mytouch 4g with its single core processor on miui. So what?
The pixel XI and the pixel are packed with snadragon 821 chipset wich supposed to be clocked at 2*2.35 kryo & 2*2.0 kryo but both pixel phones are clocked at 2*2.15 kryo & 2*1.6 Kryo which is exactly the same as SD820 on Lg G5 and the s7 so if someone knows what is the difference between the cpu in the pixel phones and the regular snapdragon 820 please write it down
From what I have read the 821 is a 820. The 821 is just higher binned 820. When they make chips they are not all the same. Some just are a little more efficient than others do to very minor differences in the chips. So a high binned 820 can handle a higher clock speed while using less power are turned into 821.
So Google decided they wanted to go with the 821 because it is more power efficient than a 820. But it seems Google thinks the speed of the 820 is fast enough to provide a good snappy user experience. So they are doubling down on efficiency by clocking these high binned chips down to the same as the 820. So say the 821 is 5% more efficient at stock speed over the 820. The 821 might be 10% more efficient at the same clock speed at the 820 while delivering the same speed as the 820. So they are sort of doubling down on efficiency over performance.
From the hands on I have seen everyone has described the phone as very fast. This is likely due to Google optimizing Android to run on the pixels hardware. Much like Apple does with the iPhone. Also the Pixel has some hardware features that might not show up on a regular spec sheet. It has some improved touch screen latency and faster storage. Because of these factors Google decided they don't need the extra performance of the 821 but instead want to utilize it's efficiency.
TLDR Google is going all in on the Pixel proving a very fast user experience while being power efficient!
So in theory once kernel source has been released we can just OC it back to "stock" frequency and get even faster performance with a hit to battery life.
I have the OP3 and the phone is clocking to max. frequency very rarely anyway. So there is no reason to clock it down for better efficiency.
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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In the current climate and with the 810 fiasco overshadowing can you really blame them for dialing it down? Perhaps the GPU is still clocked higher in the 821 and I'll take the efficiency as a perk. It's up to you what's worth $200 more but there are a few more bits less talked about included in the price.
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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As I understand it android has the capability and it's up to the devs to implement. The game can be rendered at whatever resolution and will then be upscaled. for example Warhammer Freeblade allows you to select which resolution to use and texture qualities just as you would in most PC games at the risk of losing frames however Need For Speed No Limits selects a pre-defined profile depending on device.
As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
And that the 821 reaches a higher frequency doesn't automatically mean that the CPU has a higher quality. I know it would be possible that the 820s are only bad 821s that don't surpass quality tests but I don't think so because the 820 was released much earlier. Usually it goes the other way around, like on GPUs. Nvidia first releases the very high end models and then sells the crappy GPUs in the lower end models. I don't think that Qualcomm is like, hey we are picking out all really good 820s and pile them up to sell them as 821s... A 821 could be better and more efficient but it's not necessarily true. A good 820 could still be as good or even better than a 821, regarding effiency. Also think about AMD Processors a few years ago, whole cores where unlock able and there was still room for OC if you were lucky.
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As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
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When talking about efficiency I'm referring more to undervolting as appose to underclocking, it may be the case that they have chosen those frequencies because the 821 steps up in voltage beyond that point thus increasing power consumption and heat. We'll have to wait and see how the Pixel performs, but if that underclock means the thermal load is capped lower we will also see less throttling, ideal for daydream.
As an example I would refer to overclocking desktop CPUs, the architecture is different but how it responds to heat and power is not. beyond a certain frequency the CPU requires exponentially more power and generates exponentially more heat the higher you go.
http://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_xl_benchmark_doesnt_show_performance_improvement-news-20927.php
This benchmark proves to all those who insist that the chipset in the pixel phones is better than the original snadragon 820
It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
This seems a very big piece of marketing by Google. It isn't really an SD 821, its an SD820.
The 821 only has a 10% performance increase when clocked at its max frequency, so even if Google did leave it at its max frequency, a 10% increase would be barely noticeable, if noticeable at all in real world use.
The 821 does have some features that aren't available on the 820, which is why Google probably chose the 821 over the 820. I found this info about two important features for the 821, that's not found in the 820 and quoted it below.
"One of the main reason why Google used the Snapdragon 821 in the Pixel phones is the Snapdragon VR SDK (Software Development Kit). This is entirely unavailable with the Snapdragon 820. The new SDK comes with advanced VR toolset to give the developers broad access to the internal architecture of the Snapdragon 821 chipset. This is extremely useful and fully compatible with Google Daydream platform. The VR SDK helps in the rendering of cutting-edge visual and audio which helps in state of the art Virtual Reality experience."
"Another important thing which is unknown for most people is about the camera improvements brought by the MSM8996 Pro. The SoC can simultaneously use two phase detectors for significant improvement in focussing quality and time. On the contrary, the Snapdragon 820 or MSM8996 only supports single PDAF (Phase Detecting Auto Focus) systems. The newer chipset extends the range of laser autofocus technology. This will substantially boost the laser-assisted autofocus systems of upcoming smartphones."
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full clock speeds without throttling...
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That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full click speeds without throttling...
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The phone being a uni-body aluminium shell should help with that. My 5X gets mega hot when I run games or for extended screen on times, but the back is plastic. I think using the whole surface of the phone as an additional heat-sink so to speak could help with heat dissipation.
Either way - I hope someone tries to OC it back to "stock" qualcomm speeds. I will certainly try to see the results, that is, if custom kernels can be a thing with the Pixel.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
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That's true i can't
Deny the power of stock android, but there are many other OEM custom skins that are well optimized and are plenty fast such as sense and Lg ux 5.0 and even the oxygen OS
Many of you saw the Geekbench Scores of the S9 Exynos.
Scores are ~3700 in single core and ~9000 in multi core.
Now I saw this article and the line where it says the Exynos will be tuned down to match the (much slower) Snapdragon model got my attention...
Can someone who has a retail unit (store worker,..) confirm the high Geekbench scores?
Article:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12478/exynos-9810-handson-awkward-first-results
iamnotkurtcobain said:
Many of you saw the Geekbench Scores of the S9 Exynos.
Scores are ~3700 in single core and ~9000 in multi core.
Now I saw this article and the line where it says the Exynos will be tuned down to match the (much slower) Snapdragon model got my attention...
Can someone who has a retail unit (store worker,..) confirm the high Geekbench scores?
Article:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12478/exynos-9810-handson-awkward-first-results
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After reading your post and the page you linked... I have absolutely no words. I already bought (pre-order) the S9+ SM-G965FD just because of the Exynos 9810. (Specially after looking at the CPU benchmarks that you are referring to) Every single year, the Exynos outperforms the Snapdragon... not by much... but it is ALWAYS better... Better performance, better battery live, runs cooler... etc. But... this particular year (with the S9/S9+), after watching a bunch of YouTube videos, online reports and benchmarks, it seemed like the Exynos was going to totally kill the Snapdragon variant. I really hate the Qualcomm Snapdragon with their locked bootloader, locked everything, mediocre CPU performance. I hate it as much as I hate Apple. So... I really really really hope that information does not apply to a real consumer S9/S9+ unit. As soon as I get my S9+, the very 1st thing I am going to do is run Antutu 7 and Geekbench 4.
So... as OP mentioned... we need some Samsung Exynos 9810 vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 benchmarks... (real retail S9/S9+ unit)
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Absolutely.
The first thing I do when I get my S9 is running a Geekbench.
If single core is not ~3700 and multi core ~ 9000 I send it right back.
I know some say benchmarks are useless but this clearly shows if the new Exynos is a big step up or not. S7 and S8 almost had the same CPU/GPU power.
DON'T tune it down Samsung. Please..
I read the same thing, its going to deter people from getting the exynos and piss off people who buy it and find out later.
Samsung get more and more stupid as the years pass honestly
Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
RaduNastase said:
Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Not for my usage. As soon as we get root, BL unlock and some sources (obviously this will come first for Exynos than SD), there will be custom kernel and overclock/overvolt to help us enjoy the full performance of Exynos variant.
So going for SD845 is not a better choice, it just depends on your usage (do you plan to unlock BL ? root ? magisk ? custom kernel ?)
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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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The crapdragon will have a locked BL which automatically means it cannot be a better choice.
Theres only 2 reasons why anyone on xda would bother with it.
Your on verizon in which case exynos wont work or you really need carrier features like wifi calling or Volte. Other than that I have no idea why anyone here on xda would waste money on BL locked device when you have another option.
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The crapdragon will have a locked BL which automatically means it cannot be a better choice.
Theres only 2 reasons why anyone on xda would bother with it.
Your on verizon in which case exynos wont work or you really need carrier features like wifi calling or Volte. Other than that I have no idea why anyone here on xda would waste money on BL locked device when you have another option.
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Based on past experience (there are many youtubers demonstrating this) Snapdragon runs better in games. And not just a "little" better, "much" better as in twice as fast in many cases.
BL will hopefuly be unlocked in the near future. Root will come regardless.
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Based on past experience (there are many youtubers demonstrating this) Snapdragon runs better in games. And not just a "little" better, "much" better as in twice as fast in many cases.
BL will hopefuly be unlocked in the near future. Root will come regardless.
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Thats always been true, games are better on the snapdragon yes. So then thats reason number 3 but if your that into gaming likely you have a killer PC to play on anyway
The BL will never get unlocked however and as long as you dont mind an 80% limit on charging your device yes there is root.
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Thats always been true, games are better on the snapdragon yes. So then thats reason number 3 but if your that into gaming likely you have a killer PC to play on anyway
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I certainly don't spend a 1000 $ on a device to use it just for calls and emails. I mean, c'mon
While I have a PS4, lately my gaming machine has been mainly my phone, on the go, as i'm always on the move and not @ home so much.
Hope both versions are great for gaming this time. That exynos geekbench score is simply amazing.
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I certainly don't spend a 1000 $ on a device to use it just for calls and emails. I mean, c'mon
While I have a PS4, lately my gaming machine has been mainly my phone, on the go, as i'm always on the move and not @ home so much.
Hope both versions are great for gaming this time. That exynos geekbench score is simply amazing.
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Got to have gaming performance! Least being on the go having something on the go is always nice, even better when it really rocks with fantastic performance.
Find it interesting so far we've seen geekbench scores of both, and we have decent details on the SD GPU but not much on the exynos one.
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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Dude , some of the emulators were slower on exynos because they weren't optimized for exynos. Not because of the GPU.
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Dude , some of the emulators were slower on exynos because they weren't optimized for exynos. Not because of the GPU.
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Actually, the devs of the Dolphin emulator (Game Cube and Wii) confirmed that Exynos lacks some vital (for their development) instructions that Snapdragon has. There are already vids appearing online (youtuber Techutopia for example) that prove how Exynos in S9 is still sub par (to even Snapdragon 835) in games. Of course, there are factors involved, but the picture slowly becomes clear. And it's the same as last year.
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Actually, the devs of the Dolphin emulator (Game Cube and Wii) confirmed that Exynos lacks some vital (for their development) instructions that Snapdragon has. There are already vids appearing online (youtuber Techutopia for example) that prove how Exynos in S9 is still sub par (to even Snapdragon 835) in games. Of course, there are factors involved, but the picture slowly becomes clear. And it's the same as last year.
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Exynos isn't easy to develop. Doesn't mean the exynos isn't capable of it.
I this point performance doesn't matter too much. Only thing that takes advantage of performance is when you're processing video/images, in which case it's a couple seconds usually, Or gaming, Most mobile games are light, and the heavy ones would have a marginal difference in quality.
I'm new to rooting and stuff, but pretty sure people can undownclock it right?
Also quick question does nerfing exynos performance result in better battery life? And does exynos have same battery life as snapdragon when it isn't nerfed? In the anandtech article it was something about task scheduler and not down-clocking, so it may have the same battery life, in which case I guess you could bring it back to peak performance and then down-clock for better battery.
With locked boot-loaders I read something a while ago that it isn't qualcomms fault (Other phones with same thing are easier). I think Samsung does it but that doesn't make sense as they are the ones that make exynos. I personally am going to get the Exynos note 9.
Take everything I said with a grain of salt, I'm a noob at rooting (I haven't rooted a phone yet, was going to do my OP5 before it got stolen)
I find it odd that while the Exynos performs good at single task benchmark, the SD kills it in Photo editing and other benchmarks.
I doubt it's tuned down but just a few select benchmarks out there right now aren't showing the full picture between these two devices right now. Time will tell so it's a wait and see.
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I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
ajaffarali said:
I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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Hey bro. Are you familiar with emulators on android? If yes, could be please test the game Mushihime-Sama (mushisam in MAME) in the Retroarch emu (from PlayStore) with the Mame 2014 core? I know i am being very specific, but it's been a sort of quest of mine for a few years: finding an android smartphone able to play this game at constant 60 fps. Thanks and congrats on you purchase!
ajaffarali said:
I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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Kindly can you run the below command on any Terminal app
Getprop ro.treble.enabled
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M.Noury said:
Kindly can you run the below command on any Terminal app
Getprop ro.treble.enabled
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It's true Project Treble is enabled on this phone
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RaduNastase said:
Hey bro. Are you familiar with emulators on android? If yes, could be please test the game Mushihime-Sama (mushisam in MAME) in the Retroarch emu (from PlayStore) with the Mame 2014 core? I know i am being very specific, but it's been a sort of quest of mine for a few years: finding an android smartphone able to play this game at constant 60 fps. Thanks and congrats on you purchase!
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Sorry- don't know anything about emulators. I've downloaded Retroach and Mame 2014 but how/where do I get the game you mentioned from?
Recently I had speed test with my friend's Redmi note 4 and unexpectedly I lost against him in single pubg opening time by a margin of 10 seconds.
I was on pie sGSI ( I know that it lags but I thought that sd820 is enough powerful to beat sd 625 on any crappy software.)
This blown my mind and raised many questions.
1.how much does a software optimization is important in Android smartphones ??
2.software vs hardware which is more important ??
3.stock rom vs custom rom. Is it really beneficial to use custom ROMs ??
4.latest Android or stable 2 yrs old Android which is preferable ??
5.which is your favourite combination of rom for your zuk in performance ( here performance means without compromising heating and excessive battery drain) ??
6.how is stock Chinese zui ??
Please Reply With detailed experience.
Thanks.
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
praveensm899 said:
Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
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Another one. lol
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
senthamizhan said:
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
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Thanks for the explanation.
I thought that Qualcomm's ****ty 4 kryo cores are enough to beat 8 a53 cores.
Because of sd 820 all I can see is HD or High graphics options in games and you can't play it because of heating and battery consumption.
So sd 820 is a mid ranger now:laugh:
If you can balance out the cpu thermal throttling issue, then the sd820 beats out the sd625 in GPU demanding games like PUBGM, Asphalt 9. The sd625 will never come close to being able to run those 2 games on high settings. The sd625 on the other hand, have very consistent performance and basically never throttle
I personally would have chosen a sd625 device, but the prices of sd820 devices now is almost same as sd625 devices, so their performance being close is nothing special. sd820 is just a less crappy sd810, and I still remember saying sd820 is bad on this forum and have ppl told me Im crazy
LMAO
Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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And I agree with everything you said.
The performance you get on emulators on 625 is laughable compared to what you get on 820. I don't ever these guys are on about; 625 doesn't stand a chance against 820
as someone who had sd820 and sd625, my conclusion is sd625 is battery optimized with balanced performance, suitable for long term use. while sd820 excel in performance, it depends on the termal & kernel setting, cause sd820 heat a lot when used heavily (gaming or video processing), if by any chance zuk z2 had a better cooling system (like the new liquid cooling system) i think it could easily beat sd625. what make sd820 nor fully optimized was it heat, then the thermal config tried to cool it, which disturb the hardware performance.
simply said, sd820 can reach the top of the wall, but can't hang on too long. while sd625 can only reach half of the wall, but it can hang in to it as long as it want. in a battle of endurance, i would pick sd625
There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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You do realize that you're on the z2+ forum, where most ppl is using it right?
The phone & SoC has flaws, no one can deny that. It just happen to suit your use case, doesn't mean it does so for everyone
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I suggest you to read the z2 forum carefully. Solution for all your peoblems is there.
Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
brother_mouzone said:
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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underworld_king said:
Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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http://s.aliexpress.com/nMFzaUri?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
It says glass panel but see the description, material used is metal.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Maybe its badluck for you! i have played pubg on highest setting with 30-40 fps and tempreture under 45C. hardware does matter. and so does software optimization. both go hand in hand
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Lol for u bro
I guess ur one crazy redmi note 4 fanboi or maybe not
But anyways
My z2 every time wins against my friends redmi note 4 in terms of pubg that to I play on 1080p med settings, his on low settings
As ppl earlier said pubg is not well optimised
U say u have tried all ROMs
Having big appload or not letting the ROM to settle or frequently changing roms and some impatience leads to these kinds of moronic conclusions
I guess u haven't tried ROMs like OOS miui cardinal nitrogen
Not to exclude jaguar bootleggers
Even on zui it better than redmi note 4
Except rros old builds coz their speeds aren't that good
As far as sd820 is concerned
My god bro u haven't heard of op3t phone I guess
I played on 1080p high settings no lag whatsoever
It even crushes zuk z2
Ok guys this is serious.
Don't order the Rog Phone 6D which will release 09.19.22!!!!
It doesn't make any sense.
Any other brand will include the dimensity 9000+ only in the vanilla edition
See this comparison of:
Xiaomi 12S Pro (sd8+ gen1) VS 12 Pro (d9000+)
for instance !!!!!
The sd8 + gen1 clearly wins in this comparison!! the only benefit of the d9000 seems to be less heat.
They will try to sell the dimensity edition for the price of the pro while having less costs producing the phone.
This time around dimensity only overclocked the soc while Qualcomm went from 5 to 4 nm aswell. I know reviews like those of "golden reviewer" too where the dimensity chips were more efficient. But this time they actually loose in the bechmarks by a big margin.
there is a reason why Xiaomi used the 9000+ in the vanilla edition (starts at 570$) and the 8+ gen1 in the S pro edition.(starts at 670$)
We ain't fools Asus...
Now you could say: "well that's a Xiaomi device, you can't compare that".
DO YOU RATHER BELIEVE SOME BENCHMARK SCREENSHOTS OF THE ROG 6D?
OR RATHER BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A BETTER SOC BECAUSE OF 3% HIGHER PEAK PERFORMANCE??!!
If the Rog 6D really was better than the rog 6/6 pro.
They would have waited for global shipping of the rog6 pro to start before teasing the rog 6 D
(rog6 pro global shipping starts 01.09)
There is a reason why Dimensity SOCs are a China exclusive most of the time! So they can run the lobby in europ. But we ain't fools.
Why they do this?
They want you to cancel the peorder of the rog 6 pro because the sd8+ gen1 is more expensive. (Once the ROG 6 D is released rog 6 & Pro will run out of stock soon).
This way they want to hold you longer on the wait list by making it look like an opportunity for an even better device. But it's a trap. Once everybody knows it is the vanilla edition, not only are you gonna wait longer for the worse device. It will also be a disappointment. Your performance will be worse for the same money like an exynos user. Also the rog 6/6pro will be no longer available & they will have gifted less cooling fans too as many customers will try to get the previous models later, after seeing comparisonsof the d model. You will turn into a mediatek fanboy hoping for updates and slowly fade away in disappointment.
I've pre-ordered the ROG 6 pro btw. not gonna cancel it.
Dont forget Media <Moderator Edit> being closed source and no one in this community will ever fix their bugfest.
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Ok guys this is serious.
Don't order the Rog Phone 6D which will release 09.19.22!!!!
It doesn't make any sense.
Any other brand will include the dimensity 9000+ only in the vanilla edition
See this comparison of:
Xiaomi 12S Pro (sd8+ gen1) VS 12 Pro (d9000+)
for instance !!!!!
The sd8 + gen1 clearly wins in this comparison!! the only benefit of the d9000 seems to be less heat.
They will try to sell the dimensity edition for the price of the pro while having less costs producing the phone.
This time around dimensity only overclocked the soc while Qualcomm went from 5 to 4 nm aswell. I know reviews like those of "golden reviewer" too where the dimensity chips were more efficient. But this time they actually loose in the bechmarks by a big margin.
there is a reason why Xiaomi used the 9000+ in the vanilla edition (starts at 570$) and the 8+ gen1 in the S pro edition.(starts at 670$)
We ain't fools Asus...
Now you could say: "well that's a Xiaomi device, you can't compare that".
DO YOU RATHER BELIEVE SOME BENCHMARK SCREENSHOTS OF THE ROG 6D?
OR RATHER BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A BETTER SOC BECAUSE OF 3% HIGHER PEAK PERFORMANCE??!!
If the Rog 6D really was better than the rog 6/6 pro.
They would have waited for global shipping of the rog6 pro to start before teasing the rog 6 D
(rog6 pro global shipping starts 01.09)
There is a reason why Dimensity SOCs are a China exclusive most of the time! So they can run the lobby in europ. But we ain't fools.
Why they do this?
They want you to cancel the peorder of the rog 6 pro because the sd8+ gen1 is more expensive. (Once the ROG 6 D is released rog 6 & Pro will run out of stock soon).
This way they want to hold you longer on the wait list by making it look like an opportunity for an even better device. But it's a trap. Once everybody knows it is the vanilla edition, not only are you gonna wait longer for the worse device. It will also be a disappointment. Your performance will be worse for the same money like an exynos user. Also the rog 6/6pro will be no longer available & they will have gifted less cooling fans too as many customers will try to get the previous models later, after seeing comparisonsof the d model. You will turn into a mediatek fanboy hoping for updates and slowly fade away in disappointment.
I've pre-ordered the ROG 6 pro btw. not gonna cancel it.
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Sometimes I wonder why people write so much <Moderator Edit> these days and post sources that literally go against what they say.
The snapdragon 8+ 1 clearly lost to the dimensity. Almost everything was equal except for 2 things which dimensity won, not by a little, but by quite a large margin.
1.) Camera performance was significanly better, the detail was much better on the dimensity and even the dynamic range was also notably better, this comes to no real surprise since the ISP on the mediatek is roughly 3x as fast as the one found in the qualcom variant.
2.) On Gaming performance the dimensity won by quite a large margin, as stated by your own source, there are some heavy drops on qualcomm based phones, which really isnt anything new, this doesnt exist on the dimensity, it delivers way more fluid and reliable gaming experience, this is also the reason why we see more and more devices starting to use the new mediatek chips.
The real reason why they want to switch to mediatek seems to me that they are sick and tired of their power IC's and SOC's from qualcom blowing up or causing other type of issues. Many who own the Rog2,Rog5, Rog5s and soon QC Rog6 users know exacly what I'm talking about.
@Einheit-101
Neither is qualcomm. While they do have some things that are open source, their most important and interesting things are closed source. The only reason the things we have from QC are open source is because QC has to adhere to certain laws since they are based in the US, which forces them to open source their GPL based stuff, anything that isnt, you aint gettin anything. As far as I'm concerned, both have the same <Moderator Edit> attitude, QC however does market it as "they choose to open source" their things, trying to market themselves at the "good guys", much like apple and microsoft do despite their clearly anti consumer stance.
Regardless if youre an QC <Moderator Edit> or a mediatek <Moderator Edit>, ordering a Rog6 is completely <Moderator Edit> to begin with. Nobody should preorder a Rog6, period, we all know the Rog6S will likely be pushed out in a couple of months with a far superior gen2 / whatever <Moderator Edit> mediatek will push out and you have spent big bucks on an already outdated phone.
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i prefer higher texture quality over high fps and battery life. That's just me.
nadejo said:
i prefer higher texture quality over high fps and battery life. That's just me.
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I prefer facts <Moderator Edit>.
You have yet to prove your <Moderator Edit> claim that mediatek chips render lower texture resolutions in games.
Danishblunt said:
I prefer facts over nonsense.
You have yet to prove your made up claim that mediatek chips render lower texture resolutions in games.
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The Dimensity 9000 wins in CPU performance, while the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 leads in GPU. It's a different ballgame when power consumption is considered, though, as the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 looks to be more efficient across the board.
Source
(this is a gaming phone, so you tell me what's the priority here)
also the new d9000+ has only overclocked the cpu while the snapdragon 8+ gen 1 uses 4nm instead of 5nn now.
And we didn't even mention that most games are optimized for snapdragon gpus anyways.
nadejo said:
The Dimensity 9000 wins in CPU performance, while the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 leads in GPU. It's a different ballgame when power consumption is considered, though, as the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 looks to be more efficient across the board.
Source
(this is a gaming phone, so you tell me what's the priority here)
also the new d9000+ has only overclocked the cpu while the snapdragon 8+ gen 1 uses 4nm instead of 5nn now.
And we didn't even mention that most games are optimized for snapdragon gpus anyways.
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I cant help but facepalm.
Then why does dimensity run far better in games? Did you watch your own source?
14:48
surprisingly, there is a few big fluctuations in 12S pro (qualcomm), it is higher peak but with few big drops but the performance of the xiaomi 12 pro dimensity is much more stable
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The dimensity IS the better gaming chip, <Moderator Edit> the dimensity is better.
Danishblunt said:
I cant help but facepalm.
Then why does dimensity run far better in games? Did you watch your own source?
14:48
The dimensity IS the better gaming chip, <Moderator Edit> the dimensity is better.
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No it isn't. It uses lower resolutions watch the reviews of golden reviewer on YouTube. It's not bad but the snapdragon is slightly better in terms of gpu performance. I agree the dimensity is more efficient. But the gap is much smaller now since snapdragon uses 4nm. The optimizations for snapdragon across Playstore apps/games are way more important to me. I won't trade that against slightly more cpu power and slightly more efficiency. it's about 3% m8 that's not much.
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No it isn't. It uses lower resolutions watch the reviews of golden reviewer on YouTube. It's not bad but the snapdragon is slightly better in terms of gpu performance. I agree the dimensity is more efficient. But the gap is much smaller now since snapdragon uses 4nm. The optimizations for snapdragon across Playstore apps/games are way more important to me. I won't trade that against slightly more cpu power and slightly more efficiency. it's about 3% m8 that's not much.
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I'd like you to source your claim, instead of mentioning a random youtuber name expecting us to search for it. Also the dimensity is more optimized which the reviewer you sourced showcased. It's even the Gen8+ vs 9000+ <Moderator Edit>
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I'd like you to source your claim, instead of mentioning a random youtuber name expecting us to search for it. Also the dimensity is more optimized which the reviewer you sourced showcased. It's even the Gen8+ vs 9000+ <Moderator Edit>
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this screenshot shows all the facts. Now you can call this "not reliable" but that's all we can see right now. And this isn't just a benchmark screenshot, it's the reality. Same phone, different chips. There you see the truth.
What's that lift-up grey flap for on the 6D Ultimate (instead of "Dare to play" light)?
Some extra connectivity port/ a difference in hardware compared to ROG phone 6 Pro?
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@elmor0 Good question, I'll ask
Danishblunt said:
Why don't you just admit defeat? You clearly contradicted yourself, made baseless claims and cannot source any of your claims. You're making a giant fool out of yourself.
@elmor0 Good question, I'll ask
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The fact that Xiaomi is selling the same device with dimensity 9000+ 100$ cheaper and the fact that it scores 100k less on AnTuTu compared to the snapdragon version is enough source for evidence to me that the snapdragon rog phone 6 is the better choice. <Moderator Edit>
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i bet my but that antutu of the rog phone 6d is fake. I've seen that already. As long i don't see it on YouTube i won't believe any Screenshots
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I need my android apps without a notch or a punchhole, with the highest possible refreshrate, with a headphone jack, with a good translated os & the most compatible soc. Rog 6 pro comes with all of that. I even produce music on my android and just did 1200€ with a HipHop beat on Spotify. (fl mobile) I'm a different breed. computers won't cut it for me. I'm on the next lvl. I produce on oc too. but the workflow on Android is crazy fast. got already 100 beats running on all stores bro.
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