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Why does the dot view case have a front cam hole if you can't take pictures with the case folded on. Is the government watching us lol.
Why can't somebody post questions in the Q&A section ?
Mr Hofs said:
Why can't somebody post questions in the Q&A section ?
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Whoops sorry. I don't go on xda often.
MsEvyLynch said:
Whoops sorry. I don't go on xda often.
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It's the NSA watching us btw
The hole isn't for the camera, but the sensors. Because they're not covered they're still functional and it can adjust the brightness of the screen, even in dot view mode
Perhaps reporting thread to be moved to Q&A would be an idea? No? ?
thom109 said:
The hole isn't for the camera, but the sensors. Because they're not covered they're still functional and it can adjust the brightness of the screen, even in dot view mode
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Shh its a glory hole
Then again the sensors are all accelerometer based or tap based so he does raise a good question
Misledz said:
Shh its a glory hole
Then again the sensors are all accelerometer based or tap based so he does raise a good question
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Yea except for the ambient light sensor (and maybe proximity too?). But still, the hole seems to uncover both those 2 sensors and the camera, and why the camera is uncovered is indeed a mystery... Maybe aesthetics?
I have also noticed that the images of the dot view HTC officially uses on their site only has a hole for the sensors, not camera... Yet the real thing has a bigger hole? See attachment
Ok, perhaps an overstrong heading! But this is just my opinion - I actually don't find the superwide nearly as useful as I thought I would. First of all, the quality isn't great and secondly the distortion from it being such a small lens makes it interesting, but not particularly useful. It's especially bad if people are in the picture. I'm really interested to know where people have used it where it actually added some value.
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Ok, perhaps an overstrong heading! But this is just my opinion - I actually don't find the superwide nearly as useful as I thought I would. First of all, the quality isn't great and secondly the distortion from it being such a small lens makes it interesting, but not particularly useful. It's especially bad if people are in the picture. I'm really interested to know where people have used it where it actually added some value.
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I wouldn't agree for main camera superwide, i managed to took some nice pics that i couldn't capture otherwise, quality is not the point here, but what you can capture with it.
BUT! my real question is, what is the freaking point of 2 cameras on front?They make almost no difference between each other..
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I wouldn't agree for main camera superwide, i managed to took some nice pics that i couldn't capture otherwise, quality is not the point here, but what you can capture with it.
BUT! my real question is, what is the freaking point of 2 cameras on front?They make almost no difference between each other..
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You can't actually use the second camera on the front it is just solely for depth information to the other sensor
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oneandroidnut said:
You can't actually use the second camera on the front it is just solely for depth information to the other sensor
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Then what does the switch does?It changes between 2 what if not cameras, and angle changes just a bit.
ivicask said:
Then what does the switch does?It changes between 2 what if not cameras, and angle changes just a bit.
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It crops it. All from one sensor cover the one up and try it. Still will switch between cropped and not
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oneandroidnut said:
It crops it. All from one sensor cover the one up and try it. Still will switch between cropped and not
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I see now, still i think that button it pointless, it does nothing, its minimum crop, can someone explain me actually the point of it?
ivicask said:
I see now, still i think that button it pointless, it does nothing, its minimum crop, can someone explain me actually the point of it?
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Not a clue should have had a wide angle selfie lense like the pixel 3 xl
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ekerbuddyeker said:
Ok, perhaps an overstrong heading! But this is just my opinion - I actually don't find the superwide nearly as useful as I thought I would. First of all, the quality isn't great and secondly the distortion from it being such a small lens makes it interesting, but not particularly useful. It's especially bad if people are in the picture. I'm really interested to know where people have used it where it actually added some value.
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Extremely useful when travelling and trying to take pictures of architecture. Most cities in the world are very dense and objects are large, with limited space to position yourself for a photo. Your only choice here is to carry an ultra-wide lens. Most of my pictures from my recent trip to Vienna were done in ultra-wide. Stick it into DxO ViewPoint and correct the geometry and you have fantastic photos.
For me, Its a useful option in the right situations...
It's useless until you need it. I thought it was the useless but when in a tight space where you need to capture more area in your photo, the wide angle is extremely useful. Happens a lot to me when I take photos for site inspections (construction job).
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It's useless until you need it. I thought it was the useless but when in a tight space where you need to capture more area in your photo, the wide angle is extremely useful. Happens a lot to me when I take photos for site inspections (construction job).
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Or taking a photo for a group of people and the space is somewhat tight you cant go so much backwards
Completely useful since I remember in my LG G6 u can capture interesting perspectives.
I've been using the camera and testing it for the past week. I've noticed that the 4x rarely ever activates and the phone uses the main camera with a digital zoom instead. This is consistent in videos too which defeats the purpose of a telephoto lens. Anyone else with similar experience?
I also noticed this, it has something to do with the focus and the lighting conditions. Try to vary your position/distance and you should be able to easily notice that. The phone decides on its own when the transition to the periscope lens is to be made. So sometimes it works when having 4x zoom, sometimes it only activates with 5x. Sometimes it's even a little bit less than 4x. Hopefully Google will add a manual control button later on.
No matter how good conditions are, the 4X camera lens never gets used in video mode. Anyone else with same?
The way it determines it is based on the focal distance. It's unable to focus below a certain distance so when you are too close to the subject it will zoom further with the regular lens before switching over
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No matter how good conditions are, the 4X camera lens never gets used in video mode. Anyone else with same?
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The 4x zoom will only activate if you have 30 fps selected and possibly only with 4K, I had the same problem initially. Definitely should not be this way though.
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The 4x zoom will only activate if you have 30 fps selected and possibly only with 4K, I had the same problem initially. Definitely should not be this way though.
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That must be why all of those reviews were shot in 4k30. I kept seeing that in every single review video, and I wondered why.
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The way it determines it is based on the focal distance. It's unable to focus below a certain distance so when you are too close to the subject it will zoom further with the regular lens before switching over
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Isn't it by light too?
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I've been using the camera and testing it for the past week. I've noticed that the 4x rarely ever activates and the phone uses the main camera with a digital zoom instead. This is consistent in videos too which defeats the purpose of a telephoto lens. Anyone else with similar experience?
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I had this when using the slider to get to 4x but if i use the 4x button it always selects optical.
So I noticed that the zoom lens only activates at 5x zoom. You can see this by covering the lens with your finger and zooming in.
I gather this must mean that the optical 4x lens is fixed at 4x, but as it only kicks in at 5x zoom you can never get 4x optical zoom shots as it is cropped to 5x ?
This would also mean that up to 5x zoom you are just getting a digital crop of the main lens?
Am I missing something here? Seems a little weird that you cant get a 4x optical shot with a 4x optical lens fitted.
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So I noticed that the zoom lens only activates at 5x zoom. You can see this by covering the lens with your finger and zooming in.
I gather this must mean that the optical 4x lens is fixed at 4x, but as it only kicks in at 5x zoom you can never get 4x optical zoom shots as it is cropped to 5x ?
This would also mean that up to 5x zoom you are just getting a digital crop of the main lens?
Am I missing something here? Seems a little weird that you cant get a 4x optical shot with a 4x optical lens fitted.
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Googles periscope lens doesn't kick in a "fixed" manner, it uses an algorithm (ambient light, shaking, distance to object etc) to decide "on its own" when to kick in the dedicated zoom lens. You can easily test this out/replicate this by lowering the light in your room/and or change your distance to your desired object and see that the point where periscope lens kicks in, changes.
Best just try to focus on the amount of details you can see, if you play around with it, you can quickly see through the Preview when periscope kicks in, since that will improve the amount of details in your preview window significantly.
Many people here want "fixed" values, but as of now, Google doesn't offer that.
This is also a big problem in reviews, since those people don't know about this limitation and you can often see a "here, 4x shot, not looking good" and my eyes tell me "jea, that's a digital crop, you m*ron" and none are the wiser.
So your saying you never know whether you will get a crop or an optical zoom shot at 4x, this makes the 4x lens pointless imho.
Google are basically stopping you using a feature of the phone whenever you want. If every zoom shot is a gamble on cropped or optical, decided by the phone, surely they are stopping you from getting the best performance from the camera every shot/zoom length.
If I choose a 4x shot I want optical every time or I may as well have bought the 6 instead of the pro and saved some money.
The deciding factor on whether it's digital zoom or the telephoto lens is the distance of the object. I estimate the telephoto lens minimum focus distance is around 4 feet. As you go between close and far objects, you can see the stutter between the digital 4x and telephoto 4x. You could always cover the either the main lens or telephoto and figure it out too. What they really need to do is add an icon in the camera app that lets you know it's 4x digital zoom or 4x telephoto.
This isn't something that's only unique to the 6 Pro.
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What they really need to do is add an icon in the camera app that lets you know it's 4x digital zoom or 4x telephoto.
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This. I think that's the best solution for now, let people know what they have at the moment.
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So your saying you never know whether you will get a crop or an optical zoom shot at 4x, this makes the 4x lens pointless imho.
Google are basically stopping you using a feature of the phone whenever you want. If every zoom shot is a gamble on cropped or optical, decided by the phone, surely they are stopping you from getting the best performance from the camera every shot/zoom length.
If I choose a 4x shot I want optical every time or I may as well have bought the 6 instead of the pro and saved some money.
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The threshold in the HAL is at about 4.3x provided that all the other requirements for the switch are met. You can see the image "jump" slightly when it crosses the threshold because the image characteristics do not match perfectly. So yes, you can definitely tell which sensor it is using.
The reason why they don't alert you to which sensor it is using is because they (gooble) think they're smarter than you and better able to pick the right sensor.
Another thing to keep in mind is if the 4x telephoto was the default, anything too close would be immediately blurry. Then how do you switch to a digital zoom?
They could just give us a way of selecting the lens in use manually. Instead of treating us all like idiots.
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They could just give us a way of selecting the lens in use manually. Instead of treating us all like idiots.
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Good luck with that. Truly given the way the entire world is being run right now, its pretty clear that the vast majority of people *ARE* idiots. And that is putting it mildly. So best way to make money is to sell to the majority, who are stupid enough to trust government -- those people clearly can't think for themselves.
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So your saying you never know whether you will get a crop or an optical zoom shot at 4x, this makes the 4x lens pointless imho.
Google are basically stopping you using a feature of the phone whenever you want. If every zoom shot is a gamble on cropped or optical, decided by the phone, surely they are stopping you from getting the best performance from the camera every shot/zoom length.
If I choose a 4x shot I want optical every time or I may as well have bought the 6 instead of the pro and saved some money.
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yes, return your pro and get the 6. be happier.
It's worse on video. I took a supposedly 4x video of my dog and it looks terrible. Pixelated, oversharpened and unusable.
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It's worse on video. I took a supposedly 4x video of my dog and it looks terrible. Pixelated, oversharpened and unusable.
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Do you have 4k60fps enabled?
For some odd reason, Google only allows the dedicated sensors to kick in if you use 30fps, since both the ultrawide and Tele module do not support 4k60fps.
So if you zoom in whilst having 4k60fps enabled, it will always be a digital zoom.
This is one of the most annoying features. The 4x lense can focus as reasonably close range but the "ai" deciding to either crop and main lense or switch to the periscope is crap.
You can trick it by switching to 4x and focusing on a distant object and back again and hope it's just within range.
People ask why use it so close, but the 4x can really aid in composing a shot without the wide distortions.
Another issue is if you adjust anything like HDR or temperature on the main lense and switch focal length to other options it doesn't switch to the actual lense you want anymore!!
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It's worse on video. I took a supposedly 4x video of my dog and it looks terrible. Pixelated, oversharpened and unusable.
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You can't use the telephoto sensor for video. Only the other two.
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This is one of the most annoying features. The 4x lense can focus as reasonably close range but the "ai" deciding to either crop and main lense or switch to the periscope is crap.
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In my book, that's an idiotic "feature" and is in fact a bug.
It makes zooming in day-to-day use unusable in most common cases.
When I zoomed to 4x and took a video, the result (1080) was not usable. It's a joke.
I think the conclusion here is the entire camera system really needs work. The hardware is better but the software is letting it down. Jerky transitions, bugs and a processing algorithm left over from the lower quality sensor days that actually over works the 50mp images.
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You can't use the telephoto sensor for video. Only the other two.
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No, you can. I just tested it by setting it to 4x, making sure I'm focused on something far enough, and blocking the telephoto lens does block the picture.
Just discussing this elsewhere, with regard to the MWP GCam mod. This is a *serious* improvement over the stock app; the one thing they could do to make it perfect is give you control over when the periscope kicks in. If anyone here knows the people working on this, please mention this. The mod is here, btw — you really should try it! The version you want is 8.3.252-V1c_MWP:
MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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Just discussing this elsewhere, with regard to the MWP GCam mod. This is a *serious* improvement over the stock app; the one thing they could do to make it perfect is give you control over when the periscope kicks in. If anyone here knows the people working on this, please mention this. The mod is here, btw — you really should try it! The version you want is 8.3.252-V1c_MWP:
MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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That may not actually be an option. The hal only presents one logical camera on that side of the phone and transparently switches between the sensors based on the level of zoom requested, and an assortment of other data.
I haven't looked into what the hal looks like, is it open source? If it is, presumably it could be modified to present 3 or 4 logical cameras (I.e. 3 individual + 1 combined).
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Just discussing this elsewhere, with regard to the MWP GCam mod. This is a *serious* improvement over the stock app;
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How is it an improvement?
Testing zoom, it still uses the main lens on 1x, 2x ad 4x. Just like the stock camera does.
This is another reason to dislike this phone and to recommend against buying it.
Hi all. I am debating the switch from the regular 6 to the pro.
Looks I will be getting bigger higher refresh screen (pro) which is curved (con) and with worse battery life.
One thing that is not clear to me - is the zoom lens used in any other situations than when actively selecting it? For example - which of the lenses is being used when you select the portrait mode in the camera app? Is it using the telephoto lens to battle the fish eye effect?
monocay said:
Hi all. I am debating the switch from the regular 6 to the pro.
Looks I will be getting bigger higher refresh screen (pro) which is curved (con) and with worse battery life.
One thing that is not clear to me - is the zoom lens used in any other situations than when actively selecting it? For example - which of the lenses is being used when you select the portrait mode in the camera app? Is it using the telephoto lens to battle the fish eye effect?
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I have never gotten the telephoto lens to show up in gcam. Only the 50MP wide cam and the 12MP ultra wide cam. The 50 gives you zoom options but the 48MP telephoto never shows up
monocay said:
Hi all. I am debating the switch from the regular 6 to the pro.
Looks I will be getting bigger higher refresh screen (pro) which is curved (con) and with worse battery life.
One thing that is not clear to me - is the zoom lens used in any other situations than when actively selecting it? For example - which of the lenses is being used when you select the portrait mode in the camera app? Is it using the telephoto lens to battle the fish eye effect?
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It's a 4x telephoto, which is a lot for portraits (so portraits are taken using main camera at 2x magnification).
No, it's not being used for enhancing ultrawide. I suppose it's also because if the same reason mentioned above (OnePlus uses it's 2x tele for this as well).
Telephoto is really only useful for zooming 4x and up all the way to 20x, when photos are still kinda useful (depending on a scenario), thanks to being a 50 MP sensor and some Google's AI magic.
I take a lot of zoomed pictures and I don't mind curved display. Battery is okay, 6 hours of SOT are real for me, usually on social networks and news scrolling. Sometimes I play a League of Legends, than it will drop to 4-5 hours.
Zoom lens is for... zooming in. I would think that would be self-explanatory?
It kicks in when the magnification reaches about 4.5x. Switching between sensors is exclusively a matter of changing the magnification level, not by "selecting" a particular camera. There are other details considered before switching sensors, such as exposure requirements.
You can tell which sensor is in use by briefly blocking sensors with your finger. When you see your finger on the screen, you found the sensor that is in use.
Yeah, thanks
What was not clear to me was if it is being used when shooting portrait photos, as some phones (e.g. Oneplus) do.
Looks like this is not the case.
I will stick with my vanilla 6 then, not missing out on much, subjectively.
monocay said:
Yeah, thanks
What was not clear to me was if it is being used when shooting portrait photos, as some phones (e.g. Oneplus) do.
Looks like this is not the case.
I will stick with my vanilla 6 then, not missing out on much, subjectively.
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Portrait photos can be made with ANY lens, depending on the distance and direction to the subject(s).
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Portrait photos can be made with ANY lens, depending on the distance and direction to the subject(s).
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Is it so? How does the portrait UI looks on Pixel 6 Pro? On the vanilla pixel I have the options to shoot it in 1x and 2x only. Does the pro version offer a higher magnification, using the zoom lens instead of main one?
monocay said:
Is it so? How does the portrait UI looks on Pixel 6 Pro? On the vanilla pixel I have the options to shoot it in 1x and 2x only. Does the pro version offer a higher magnification, using the zoom lens instead of main one?
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No. 1x and 2x are the only options available. The telephoto lens isn't used in portrait mode.