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hey,
found this news a few minutes ago...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/nexus-one-steps-up-to-720p-hd-video-thanks-to-latest-hack-video/ or here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698287
the nexus has the camera as the desire, or not?
so i think a port isn't impossible !?
raangu
look here Nexus 720p at XDA
This Threat in Desire Forum
The creator has stated that does not work on desire, but he will release a fix for it later tonight
Oooh, I think I'll be rooting very soon for this then!!
Judging by the quality of the sample video, its pretty clear why HTC never enabled 720p on these cameras, it just isnt real 720p, its just upscaling the already mediocre video quality of the camera to a higher resolution, which results in even more fragments and color distortion.
I seriously do not understand why people freak out because of this.
Post up video, before and after?
We could post up videos, before upscaling and after upscaling, that would be very interesting.
tbh, it's not exactly the reason I bought a Desire...it's a phone so as long as it can make calls and receive SMS messages it fulfills it's purpose IMO. Email, Internet, etc. are just bonuses
I guess if that is the video mode doing 720p it would annoy people as they said it would be included in a future update, so you would only expect it to be proper hd recording.
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Judging by the quality of the sample video, its pretty clear why HTC never enabled 720p on these cameras, it just isnt real 720p, its just upscaling the already mediocre video quality of the camera to a higher resolution, which results in even more fragments and color distortion.
I seriously do not understand why people freak out because of this.
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Not entirely sure about that. It's well known that the HTC cameras don't work very well in low light conditions and unless I've missed one, all the sample videos are taken indoors without a decent light source. I'm not saying you're wrong, it could very well be as you said. I'd just recommend withholding judgement until we've seen a sample taken under optimal conditions. It'd be great to have 720p even if it only works outdoors in blazing sunshine.
Marc
No phone will do decent hd video in doors in low light just doesn't happen, if you want that you need a high end hd cam corder.
its possible and being worked on but since it requires a kernel mod may take time BUT ... since we have the 2.32.9 kernel ported now it should easy to replicate
Maybe it is a bitrate problem?
Don't know if he increased it?
It would be nice to have the original recorded video to properly analyze it..if this whole 720p thing is some sort of upscale imho it is pretty useless..
Since the camera's (alleged) native resolution is 5 megapixels (ie. has way more than 720 lines), there is no theoretical need for upscaling (in fact you could go much higher than 720p without upscaling.
If the camera actually isn't 5 megapixel (and upscales photos to that resolution), then who knowsif it's worth it....
I think this is next step what dev guys will give us,supprise
tbh, it's not exactly the reason I bought a Desire...it's a phone so as long as it can make calls and receive SMS messages it fulfills it's purpose IMO. Email, Internet, etc. are just bonuses
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Why would you get a smartphone just to make calls and send text. Plenty of decnt feature phones serve that purpose. Personally I don't use the camera on a phone and it's not a selling point. But beng able to hack my phone to take 720 video would be cool, even if I'm not going to use it. It's about the being able to and having fun. Also showing off to all my mates who have closed iToys! ;-)
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720p is less than 1mp, so even if the camera were 1.3mp, it could still do 720p without upscaling.
5mp is more than twice as much as 1080p, the real limitation is processing power for encoding and storage space.
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720p is less than 1mp, so even if the camera were 1.3mp, it could still do 720p without upscaling.
5mp is more than twice as much as 1080p, the real limitation is processing power for encoding and storage space.
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Well, while you are right in some ways, you are so wrong from a technical point of view. Capturing Video is a totally different story than taking photos because taking a picture with autofocus every 2-3 seconds, and capturing 25-30 pictures every second... you cannot compare that, so dont let yourself be blindfolded by megapixels. The size of the CCD elements, and the time theyre exposed to light PLUS the optics is what makes pictures/videos. And when you look at the size of those things in a mobile phone, you get the idea why smartphones are still miiiiiiles away from even midclass digital cameras...
it is all about processor man ,lenses has an effect ,but processor is the main
Has anyone else noticed when you set camcorder resalution to 1080P that it ia zoomed in. Try switching between 720 and 1080 and you will instantly see what I am talking about. It is very annoying to take close videos in 1080p.
Wow. I didn't notice that.. Very odd
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Makes me worry about quality control...
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1080p sucks. No zoom. Very disappointed in it but overall awesome camera.
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There is no zoom option with 1080p. No biggie -- I'm not seeing any real difference in quality between 1080p and 720p anyway, and you can zoom plus the files are smaller.
I noticed the video was zoomed in more than the camera, but now i see the 1080p looks like its croped from the center of 720p video, or just zoomed way in ,
This seems backwards from tvs and pc screens shouldent the 1080p have the widest field of view , put your pc moniter on 800x600 and then on 1920x1200
the highest resolution has more screen space.
our phone displays may have somekind of scalling bug or wierd crop factor that changes
Need to export videos to pc and check if its still croped.
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I noticed the video was zoomed in more than the camera, but now i see the 1080p looks like its croped from the center of 720p video, or just zoomed way in ,
This seems backwards from tvs and pc screens shouldent the 1080p have the widest field of view , put your pc moniter on 800x600 and then on 1920x1200
the highest resolution has more screen space.
our phone displays may have somekind of scalling bug or wierd crop factor that changes
Need to export videos to pc and check if its still croped.
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Thats what I would think. They talk about it in the anandtech review of the international version. Still don't really understand the reason though.
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I noticed the video was zoomed in more than the camera, but now i see the 1080p looks like its croped from the center of 720p video, or just zoomed way in ,
This seems backwards from tvs and pc screens shouldent the 1080p have the widest field of view , put your pc moniter on 800x600 and then on 1920x1200
the highest resolution has more screen space.
our phone displays may have somekind of scalling bug or wierd crop factor that changes
Need to export videos to pc and check if its still croped.
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This is exactly what I noticed and thought myself.
1080p is pretty much useless on here, I feel that it was an afterthought. Seems the 720p has a bit of stabilization, and overall just looks better.
Here is a shot in 1080:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4AtsXjyKhY
Here is the same shot in 720:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHigxvlnfo
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1080p is pretty much useless on here, I feel that it was an afterthought. Seems the 720p has a bit of stabilization, and overall just looks better.
Here is a shot in 1080:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4AtsXjyKhY
Here is the same shot in 720:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHigxvlnfo
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Exactly why I made this thread. Also, watch your two videos and notice how far zoomed in the 1080P video is compared to the 720P. I also have many issues with quality of 1080P, which is why I leave mine set to 720P.
Wow, I am extremely grateful for this thread. I just tested 1080p vs 720p on my phone and 720p seems to have some great image stabilizing and the bitrate looks higher than 1080p.
720p has IS, zoom, and looks so smooth. Couple that with the bitrate hack and you got yourself one hell of a camcorder.
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Wow, I am extremely grateful for this thread. I just tested 1080p vs 720p on my phone and 720p seems to have some great image stabilizing and the bitrate looks higher than 1080p.
720p has IS, zoom, and looks so smooth. Couple that with the bitrate hack and you got yourself one hell of a camcorder.
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bitrate hacking? do tell!
Kikoshi said:
bitrate hacking? do tell!
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Yes please do
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There was a thread created before about this so I investigated. I have came to conclusion the 1080p is better quality. And of course better quality full screen. Watch each file at it's naive resolution. I have a dreamcolor display at 1920x1200 so I can definitely make the call on what looks better. This is my opinion on my findings.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
The other issue I have found with the camera is that the settings don't survive a reboot. What's the point of editing the shortcuts if you have to redo them every time you reboot the phone or quit the camera app.
On the OG Epic, I could set the camera to black and white and it would remain until I changed it. However, on this camera, I have to set the effects every time I use the camera.
I would say that the camera is sorta flaky. Anyone know if this happens on the other Galaxy S2........
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The other issue I have found with the camera is that the settings don't survive a reboot. What's the point of editing the shortcuts if you have to redo them every time you reboot the phone or quit the camera app.
On the OG Epic, I could set the camera to black and white and it would remain until I changed it. However, on this camera, I have to set the effects every time I use the camera.
I would say that the camera is sorta flaky. Anyone know if this happens on the other Galaxy S2........
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The shortcuts actually on me, they survive the reboot, I haven't fiddled with the whole black and whiteness, and tried to reboot it, but i'll try it out for ya
edit : Well all my other options stayed, eccept the Effects, it reverts back to normal.
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R1ptide said:
Yes please do
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2
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Check this camera mod out. I can confirm this works with our phones
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104051
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Check this camera mod out. I can confirm this works with our phones
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104051
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Thank you!, I can't wait to try it out when i Root my phone.
Did the 1080p get fixed I'm in Fi27 blukuban ,and the 1080p is not zoomed in anymore.
Edit, my bad I must of zoomed its still the same. I must of zoomed in the 720 then compared it , so I tricked myself
One thing I find very annoying is the frame rate temporarily freezing during panning. To say its annoying is an understatement. It drives me crazy! Even qbking's 1080p video test of the note 2 is horribly affected by it. I don't remember if my 4s did it but you couldn't change the resolution at all with it and it certainly didn't look like full res on a 1080p TV. I think it might have had the stutters too but not as bad as these phones. I loved the audio gain circuit in that phone. It wasn't easily over driven like Samsung phones are. Those where the few things I liked about it, everything else was a pita.
Ive noticed that the Galaxy Nexus can only record video at a choppy 24fps. I was wondering if there is a way to increase it to 30fps. This phones has more than enough power to do so and I'm not quite understanding why it is so low.
from what I had read of the specs on GSMArena, the camera is supposed to be capable of 30fps.
of course, GSMArena have been wrong before...
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This phones has more than enough power to do so and I'm not quite understanding why it is so low.
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Film runs at 24fps. Bluray also runs at 24fps to match the film so that you don't get any nasty 3:2 pull down or audio speed up due to frame rate conversion.
That's no reason why the Nexus should default to 24fps, but it does explain why the frame rate is present.
Just out of interest - when you go to the movie theatre do you complain that it's "choppy" because of the 24fps shutter?
People upgraded the Droid 3's video fps from 20 to 30 so it shouldn't be too hard to do for the Nexus.
im sure we'll see something when the dev community kicks in as the phone is released
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Just out of interest - when you go to the movie theatre do you complain that it's "choppy" because of the 24fps shutter?
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It's because film is recorded on proper 'film' which allows soft blurrs to occur. On a digital camera that has been converted into video duty, low frame rates makes things look like claymation (simply because the camera is taking 'photos').
CanaganD said:
It's because film is recorded on proper 'film' which allows soft blurrs to occur. On a digital camera that has been converted into video duty, low frame rates makes things look like claymation (simply because the camera is taking 'photos').
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Makes no difference. Those "photos" still contain motion blur. What do you think the individual frames of film are?
Also many modern "films" are shot digitally at 24fps.
Even though 24fps is good enough for film, wanting to record at 30fps is not an unreasonable request. 30fps, or more specifically 29.976 fps is a VERY common framerate, in fact this has been the color NTSC video standard since 1953.
It definitely should be supported, as it gives recordings a certain "feel" just like the 24fps rate gives a certain "feel".
My guess is that someone will figure it out if they haven't already for this device like they have on other devices.
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Even though 24fps is good enough for film, wanting to record at 30fps is not an unreasonable request. 30fps, or more specifically 29.976 fps is a VERY common framerate, in fact this has been the color NTSC video standard since 1953.
It definitely should be supported, as it gives recordings a certain "feel" just like the 24fps rate gives a certain "feel".
My guess is that someone will figure it out if they haven't already for this device like they have on other devices.
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Oh, I agree, as I said in my post I was explaining why that "odd" frame rate was present, not arguing against 30fps being available.
I would expect to find 24, 25, and 30fps options. Not having my Nexus yet I wouldn't know.
It would also be nice if it supported 60fps at 720, but I haven't seen anything to confirm this.
I thought the specs listed 30fps @ 720p, 24fps @ 1080p. Not sure where I saw that, have to go look.
HooloovooUK said:
Film runs at 24fps. Bluray also runs at 24fps to match the film so that you don't get any nasty 3:2 pull down or audio speed up due to frame rate conversion.
That's no reason why the Nexus should default to 24fps, but it does explain why the frame rate is present.
Just out of interest - when you go to the movie theatre do you complain that it's "choppy" because of the 24fps shutter?
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Movies are filmed with $100,000 cameras. They are always following a subject and use a lot of motion blur. With all of this, you cant see choppiness. You shouldn't give Samsung/Google excuses for poor performance. This is a $650 device coming out at the end of 2011, I expect top quality. Luckily this is a Nexus device so im assuming work could be done to fix this.
Dmw017 said:
People upgraded the Droid 3's video fps from 20 to 30 so it shouldn't be too hard to do for the Nexus.
im sure we'll see something when the dev community kicks in as the phone is released
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I don't have a Galaxy Nexus as im waiting for the Verizon version. I'm just trying to get this problem noticed so when I do get the phone I can fix it.
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Oh, I agree, as I said in my post I was explaining why that "odd" frame rate was present, not arguing against 30fps being available.
I would expect to find 24, 25, and 30fps options. Not having my Nexus yet I wouldn't know.
It would also be nice if it supported 60fps at 720, but I haven't seen anything to confirm this.
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Ahhh, understood... 60fps @ 720 would be pretty sweet as well.
All video settings (480P, 720P and 1080P) are set to 25fps and are not changeable from within the settings menu.
Im sure that it can be hacked to give more options but for now thats all you get out of the box.
1080P does look outstanding though with no choppyness at all.
Mark.
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All video settings (480P, 720P and 1080P) are set to 25fps and are not changeable from within the settings menu.
Im sure that it can be hacked to give more options but for now thats all you get out of the box.
1080P does look outstanding though with no choppyness at all.
Mark.
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Have you seen the Galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S videos? Now thats outstanding and smooth. I dont know why Samsung chose not to put the GS2 sensor in the Galaxy Nexus.
That can hopefully be changed in media_profiles.xml later.
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All video settings (480P, 720P and 1080P) are set to 25fps and are not changeable from within the settings menu.
Im sure that it can be hacked to give more options but for now thats all you get out of the box.
1080P does look outstanding though with no choppyness at all.
Mark.
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So the OP is talking rubbish then when saying only 24fps setting is available?
I did suspect that. I wouldn't have expected 24fps to have been available at all, so for me I would have considered it a bonus feature not something to be complained about.
It's interesting that there is not a 576p option, given that 480p at 25fps doesn't make any sense since it doesn't match any standard - I'm not sure any TVs would even support that. It should be 480p30 or 576p25.
Is it easy to access the media_profiles.xml? Im surprised no one has created any quality enhancements for video like what was done for the Galaxy S2. This camera is crap
anyone gotten anywhere w/ this yet?
Who cares? The GNex is awesome and if ANYTHING is possible on it, then the dev community will crack it and find it
HooloovooUK said:
Just out of interest - when you go to the movie theatre do you complain that it's "choppy" because of the 24fps shutter?
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I do, and so does James Cameron.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Samsung Galaxy S11 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Not really a fan of the 8K video quality especially at low (maxes out at 24fps) frame rates. What do you guys think?
It's.... fine. 24fps is cinema rate, so it's more intended to be used with a stabilized mount and slow panning, so that accounts for a lot of the jutter. Well, that, and YouTube's compression algorithms, but I won't hold that against the camera. 8K isn't likely to be really useful for a few years yet, so honestly I am fairly impressed the the quality is as good as it is when the camera is still.
Video capability is on par with iPhone 11, and blows Pixel out of the water. If you do a lot of video recording, this is currently the best Android device for that job.
I would say the video quality is quite good.
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Video capability is on par with iPhone 11, and blows Pixel out of the water. If you do a lot of video recording, this is currently the best Android device for that job.
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Keep dreaming! ??
I have taken video with this phone and the quality is very high and clear. I think you have a good resolution camera.
LymanG said:
I don't like its optimization, too highlighted colors
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and here ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgsCzfiOEkg
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and here ?
:rouler des yeux:
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Well done ?
Does anyone know or has tried to record 4k 60fps continuously.
What I mean to ask is, if recording 4k 60 fps, is their any limit to the record time or can you keep doing so until you run out of space or battery.
I'am coming from an Sony Xperia devices, on their there is no limit apart from the memory card or battery.
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Does anyone know or has tried to record 4k 60fps continuously.
What I mean to ask is, if recording 4k 60 fps, is their any limit to the record time or can you keep doing so until you run out of space or battery.
I'am coming from an Sony Xperia devices, on their there is no limit apart from the memory card or battery.
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space look's the limit...
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space look's the limit...
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Thanks for your reply, so I take it there isn't a time recording limit. What about 8k recording?
wide angle cam stabilization test
here's a sample footage to test stabilization of the wide angle camera on a very bumpy trail. i say stabilization is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEm5bgGoXkk
i think that Video capability is on par with iPhone 11 PRo, and blows Pixel out of the water. If you do a lot of video recording, this is currently the best Android phone.
I have been doing some video recordings today and noticed how large the 4k 60fps videos are (about twice as larger as 1080p 60fps recordings).
So I went ahead and did some 1080p recording to compare 4k and 1080p on my 4k LG CX TV.
Tbh, I didn't notice much of a difference.
So I am really wondering if 4k is even worth it considering its file size?
It mostly just depends on the camera used. I guess you used your phone to record. right? Most phones can't do 4K properly, it's just a feature they advertise. If to you 1080p looks fine, I don't see why you would bother with 4K60. Or maybe just try 4K30, in some cases it does end up looking better than 4K60.
i mean twice the size for 4X the resolution is worth it
you need to take into account the finer details and edging in 4K which will show better results.
also most smart tvs including the CX have resolution scaling and other filters to make lower res content look better on 4K panels
also dont forget thats an Oled tv thats gonna look great with whatever you pump into it
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It mostly just depends on the camera used. I guess you used your phone to record. right? Most phones can't do 4K properly, it's just a feature they advertise. If to you 1080p looks fine, I don't see why you would bother with 4K60. Or maybe just try 4K30, in some cases it does end up looking better than 4K60.
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Yes ofcourse I used the phones camera The google pixel 6 pro camera.
Izy said:
i mean twice the size for 4X the resolution is worth it
you need to take into account the finer details and edging in 4K which will show better results.
also most smart tvs including the CX have resolution scaling and other filters to make lower res content look better on 4K panels
also dont forget thats an Oled tv thats gonna look great with whatever you pump into it
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Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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One advantage would be that you could theoretically crop or zoom the video and still retain acceptable quality on most resolutions on screens. Just like you said, it won't make a big difference on standard FHD displays however it would be noticeable when the video is cropped or zoomed.
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Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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i mean by that logic why watch 4k and get 4k tvs in first place. why have a higher res screen.
I mean why get the pro should have got the 1080p panel 6
Theres a lot of content 4K video will shine
even 4k video downsampled to 1080p retains better details than 1080p does.
Sure on a phone screen you wont see the difference but on a tv thats 55inch or higher the gap is noticeably wider its a major difference.
There will be parts you notice also more so. take into the account if you want to focus on specific parts of a video or edit / crop edit
also your content is future proofed
open all the images in seperate tabs to see full resolution.
the latter 2 are 50% res of the original screencaps you can easily see the details are maintained scaled down
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scale down the content even more say 50% of the cropped image and its still noticeable difference
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i mean by that logic why watch 4k and get 4k tvs in first place. why have a higher res screen.
I mean why get the pro should have got the 1080p panel 6
Theres a lot of content 4K video will shine
even 4k video downsampled to 1080p retains better details than 1080p does.
Sure on a phone screen you wont see the difference but on a tv thats 55inch or higher the gap is noticeably wider its a major difference.
There will be parts you notice also more so. take into the account if you want to focus on specific parts of a video or edit / crop edit
also your content is future proofed
open all the images in seperate tabs to see full resolution.
the latter 2 are 50% res of the original screencaps you can easily see the details are maintained scaled down
scale down the content even more say 50% of the cropped image and its still noticeable difference
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Real 4k movie content does look surely better on my 4k TV compared to a 1080p TV / content.
But that is real 4k movie material and not google pixel 6 pro 4k video content.
Are your screencaps from recordings done with the google pixel 6 pro?
Because I am talking only about the P6P recordings, not about anything recorder with smth else.
Utini said:
Real 4k movie content does look surely better on my 4k TV compared to a 1080p TV / content.
But that is real 4k movie material and not google pixel 6 pro 4k video content.
Are your screencaps from recordings done with the google pixel 6 pro?
Because I am talking only about the P6P recordings, not about anything recorder with smth else.
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no they were not but the point still stands it was just a prime example
regardless i literally did test videos of still objects in my spare room with text from a distance.
in poor lighting conditions its literally dark and the bulbs ****
literally even look at the portrait still in gallery before you even play the video you could see the text on objects was actually legible and also sharper
if you fail to even notice the difference between 1080 and 4k on your tv you may need your eyes checked.
dont forget theres literally rated seating distances for screen sizes, distant seated and also resolurion of display
the closer you are the better the fine details you see
did you stand up and look or did you sit down and look so you basically looking at like a 20inch display
Sounds like you putting the LG CX to waste
it was the exaxt same situation with people when hd 720p and 1080p came out they coudnt tell difference from sd
also people who think FHD and 4K dont make a difference are the type of people who think you can see above 60fps.
One of these is 4k downscaled the other is 1080p downscaled both also limited to poor lighting conditions
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no they were not but the point still stands it was just a prime example
regardless i literally did test videos of still objects in my spare room with text from a distance.
in poor lighting conditions its literally dark and the bulbs ****
literally even look at the portrait still in gallery before you even play the video you could see the text on objects was actually legible and also sharper
if you fail to even notice the difference between 1080 and 4k on your tv you may need your eyes checked.
dont forget theres literally rated seating distances for screen sizes, distant seated and also resolurion of display
the closer you are the better the fine details you see
did you stand up and look or did you sit down and look so you basically looking at like a 20inch display
Sounds like you putting the LG CX to waste
it was the exaxt same situation with people when hd 720p and 1080p came out they coudnt tell difference from sd
also people who think FHD and 4K dont make a difference are the type of people who think you can see above 60fps.
One of these is 4k downscaled the other is 1080p downscaled both also limited to poor lighting conditions
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Okay, then again: This is specific to the google pixel 6 pro.
Yes there is a difference between 4k and 1080p.
Yes there is a difference between 30hz,60hz,120hz.
But it also depends on the source equipment and how it is recorded.
I can use a **** camera to record a video in 4k but it won't look any better than 1080p due the camera being so bad. And this is exactly why I am asking this in regards to the google pixel 6 pro.
How good is the camera in videos really and how big is the difference with it in 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks, I know how to setup my TV. And due to my job I have to test my eyes every year.. still getting highest results :>
But if you can see a difference in the thumbnail of your image gallery, then the placebo is really strong with you.
And again:
There is a difference between 720p,1080p, and 4k.. but:
Utini said:
Okay, then again: This is specific to the google pixel 6 pro.
Yes there is a difference between 4k and 1080p.
Yes there is a difference between 30hz,60hz,120hz.
But it also depends on the source equipment and how it is recorded.
I can use a **** camera to record a video in 4k but it won't look any better than 1080p due the camera being so bad. And this is exactly why I am asking this in regards to the google pixel 6 pro.
How good is the camera in videos really and how big is the difference with it in 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks, I know how to setup my TV. And due to my job I have to test my eyes every year.. still getting highest results :>
But if you can see a difference in the thumbnail of your image gallery, then the placebo is really strong with you.
And again:
There is a difference between 720p,1080p, and 4k.. but:
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Most people who cannot notice a difference either have reduced vision or use a small monitor. I dare everyone that can't make out a difference between 1080p and 4k source material to use a Monitor 40" or bigger. On my LG CX (48") that I use as a monitor the difference is night and day.
It should be noted, though, that the difference is rather minor when video footage has been shot by phones - their sensors are just too small to make out the minute differences, plus they can't take in enough light. If you compare professional video material shot by expensive dedicated gear in 1080p vs 2160p, the difference is HUGE, whilst smartphone camera footage isn't that "obvious".
At the end of the day it's what works for a given person. If 1080p video works then that's a great option, if 4k works then that's a great option.
If the 4k video is really only twice the size then it's because they're being more aggressive in compression. There's no magic bullet to squeeze 4x the data into 2x the space other than throwing data out.
Tangentially related - GoPro's 8/9 and probably 10 set (i.e. limit) the recorded video to 100mbs for higher resolutions. Ergo you get higher quality (less compression) with 4k24 versus 4k30 versus 4k60 because they're all recorded at the same bit rate.
The P6P may have throughput issues that limits just how fast they can write data that results in higher compression in order to reduce the file size at higher resolutions. Or it could be design choice to reduce file use since the most common ones are likely the 128gb versions.
In this case, specifically with the P6P's, the actual end result is that 1080P might be nearly as good as 4K if they're cranking the compression up and loosing the details that are the point of recording in 4k. So bottom line the OP could have a pretty solid case.
I should get mine tomorrow and the holiday coming up should make for some interesting testing.
Ultimoose said:
At the end of the day it's what works for a given person. If 1080p video works then that's a great option, if 4k works then that's a great option.
If the 4k video is really only twice the size then it's because they're being more aggressive in compression. There's no magic bullet to squeeze 4x the data into 2x the space other than throwing data out.
Tangentially related - GoPro's 8/9 and probably 10 set (i.e. limit) the recorded video to 100mbs for higher resolutions. Ergo you get higher quality (less compression) with 4k24 versus 4k30 versus 4k60 because they're all recorded at the same bit rate.
The P6P may have throughput issues that limits just how fast they can write data that results in higher compression in order to reduce the file size at higher resolutions. Or it could be design choice to reduce file use since the most common ones are likely the 128gb versions.
In this case, specifically with the P6P's, the actual end result is that 1080P might be nearly as good as 4K if they're cranking the compression up and loosing the details that are the point of recording in 4k. So bottom line the OP could have a pretty solid case.
I should get mine tomorrow and the holiday coming up should make for some interesting testing.
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1080p30 is 19.8mb/s at 1080p
4k30 is 42.8mbps
1080p60 is 24mb/s
4k60 is 62mb/s
this was at h265
4k30 h264 is only 48mb/s
4k60 h264 is only 72mb/s
h265 uses a main profile @ 6.1
h264 used a high profile
4k60h265 is only 45.2mbs on my galaxy note 9
For me, the question is do you need 60 FPS over 30 FPS? I do 4K because I want the highest resolution I can get but I do 30 FPS because I don't need that smooth look.
Izy said:
1080p30 is 19.8mb/s at 1080p
4k30 is 42.8mbps
1080p60 is 24mb/s
4k60 is 62mb/s
this was at h265
4k30 h264 is only 48mb/s
4k60 h264 is only 72mb/s
h265 uses a main profile @ 6.1
h264 used a high profile
4k60h265 is only 45.2mbs on my galaxy note 9
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That's interesting that the bitrates are on the lower, half the bitrate for 4K30 for example compared to any GP in the last few years. Is this user adjustable is a question.
I'm getting the P6P 512 with the hope that I can ditch the GP's I usually carry. I record VLOG footage during my ultra runs and I carry a phone with me regardless. One less device and its accessories to deal with would be great.
I have a selection of video recorded with my GP 8 and 9's, I can run the same run/route in the same resolution and do an apples to apples comparison of quality. It'll be interesting if nothing else to compare the stabilization quality of each. Hmm, I think I can probably mount both the phone and a GP to the same stick and get direct side by side as well. The wheels are spinning now on how best to compare the final product of each for my needs.
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That's interesting that the bitrates are on the lower, half the bitrate for 4K30 for example compared to any GP in the last few years. Is this user adjustable is a question.
I'm getting the P6P 512 with the hope that I can ditch the GP's I usually carry. I record VLOG footage during my ultra runs and I carry a phone with me regardless. One less device and its accessories to deal with would be great.
I have a selection of video recorded with my GP 8 and 9's, I can run the same run/route in the same resolution and do an apples to apples comparison of quality. It'll be interesting if nothing else to compare the stabilization quality of each. Hmm, I think I can probably mount both the phone and a GP to the same stick and get direct side by side as well. The wheels are spinning now on how best to compare the final product of each for my needs.
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could be a heavier encoding profile than standard go pros that and action cams in general usually have a large amount of motion so bitrate is needed to compensate and gopros are generally used professionally so editing etc needs that kind of headroom
my akaso v50x uses the same bitrate roughly at 4k30 as the pixel but is perfectly fine in daytime except its cheapness shows in low light performance