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With Apple's recent decision to not support NFC I'm interested to see where you think NFC will be in a year. Personally I think that more merchants will support the standard as Android phones such as the Galaxy S III put NFC in the hands of more and more consumers. I think that this time next year NFC will be more common and well known than QR codes.
I think that if apple announce NFC support for the iphone 5S or 6, not only will it kick off but many would think it's a completely never seen before new idea.
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NFC simply not yet popular in USA and Apple's management have limited geographic knowledges. It doesn't mean that NFC will gone. NFC is being developed by NXP, the main player on contactless payment systems. So it won't gone, but right opposite.
It needs an infrastructure that is global. Google must have ****ed off too many financial institutions with Google Wallet.
I can only see 3 companies in the world that can court groups like VISA to hugely promote common NFC payment register devices:
1. Apple
2. Samsung
3. Google
Apple isn't doing NFC this gen, and Google doesn't seem to want to court anybody. Why can't Samsung do a massive promotional push in partnership with VISA in some major cities around the world to promote 'paying for a drink with your S3 or Note 2' feature that the iPhone 5 will never get? A handful of London, New York, LA, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Paris bars etc. Only for people with VISA etc.
You spend $1 or 2 billion on the marketing and tech (Samsung can build the readers) and roll out this before xmas. Bang! Massive marketing coup for the whole world to see and push forward a feature that will make anybody without NFC envious.
Those banking card companies needs NFC least of all, as it will kill their business. Electronic payment systems, like QIWI, Yandex.Money, Google Wallet - those are who needs NFC most of all.
Right now NFC is dominantly using by transportation operators, like metro, bus. But it's a matter of time.
I believe that the problem is that NFC is not significantly better than mag stripe (for simple debit/credit applications) or QR/bar codes (for simple info & id applications).
If you could show NFC was faster than mag stripe, Walmart and McDonalds would jump on it with both feet. That would drag Visa and MasterCard along with them.
Similarly, if the credit card companies had to adopt chip&pin, NFC demand would increase.
contactless system greatly improve throughput capability on transport over magnetic stripe. that's why moscow metro, tokyo rail companies, hong kong mtr and some other rushed to adopt smart cards in late 1990's. moscow metro switched entirely to contactless system back in 2008.
its definitly a helpful function to pay low prices like the bus or something similar but for the system to work properly we need more users with NFC smartphones and more places where you can pay with that
I thing next year is the year of NFC
I think that you're right, for "dumb" contactless systems like cards. With NFC on cell phones, I suspect it will be slower until users have enough experience. On my Nexus S, I have to unlock the phone to enable NFC. In addition, if I haven't used wallet recently, I have to enter that pin. Not a great burden, but slower than pulling my wallet out and tapping it on the reader.
Google Wallet doesn't have anything to do with technology. It's just an app, that has limited popularity around the world and has a lot of competitors.
You can set NFC always to on and just click a button to confirm payment. Or not to click anything for trusted clients. There could be many ways to use this technology. And metro systems can offer own NFC programs.
I'd guess it will be one or two more years until we see more use of the NFC technology. Theres still alot of hasle with the standards that are not really there, yet. Everybody involved into this want to keep as much of this technology for himself in order to have the biggest piece of the cake. I mean, I can totaly understand that from a business point of view, but in the end it's one of the reasons why NFC doesn't really take off. The big players need to realize that they won't make the big money if this technology never takes of f and thus at some point a compromise will be found which will lead to more standardized approaches to nfc.
The Librarian of Congress decided in October 2012 that unlocking of cell phones would be removed from the exceptions to the DMCA.
As of January 26, consumers will no longer be able unlock their phones for use on a different network without carrier permission, even after their contract has expired.
Consumers will be forced to pay exorbitant roaming fees to make calls while traveling abroad. It reduces consumer choice, and decreases the resale value of devices that consumers have paid for in full.
The Librarian noted that carriers are offering more unlocked phones at present, but the great majority of phones sold are still locked.
We ask that the White House ask the Librarian of Congress to rescind this decision, and failing that, champion a bill that makes unlocking permanently legal.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
I believe this only applies to new phones.. and you have 90 days from the date of the law to unlock your phone without any penalties.
page 16 of the docket: https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2012-26308.pdf
so most of us are okay. but it sucks for people buying new phones. Might be okay on used phones, but I haven't gotten to that part yet.
chances are they'll revise the law in 2 years.
Seeing as T-Mobile is doing away with subsidized phones and the other carriers will probably follow suit much the same as international markets then one would no longer have a need to lock into a2 year contract unless of course there are to be plan discounts. That said there should be no reason for a carrier to refuse to unlock a phone that a consumer is now paying full price for, which is pushing $600 to $700 for the newest high end models.
I certainly don't agree that we should be paying upwards of $700 for something that has a realistic life span of 2 years, i would expect a laptop of the same price to last 5+. However i do agree that if you purchased a phone at a lower subsidized price and signed a two year contract then no you should not be able to Sim unlock it. Now if you pay your early term fees and are clear of your contact them there should be no reason for a carrier to deny unlocking said device.
If you are a person that travels abroad and need an unlocked phone them you should take that into consideration at time of purchase or contact the carrier to deal with it then.
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I'm not sure but can this be posted in other threads without getting in trouble so we can make everyone know about this situation?
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I'm not sure but can this be posted in other threads without getting in trouble so we can make everyone know about this situation?
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I don't see why not...but whats the point? Everyone should know about this by now, its been mentioned on various websites all over the internet.
Also, no offense to the OP but this petition is pretty useless, I mean, we all know how good petitions (ones pertaining to mobile phones) have worked before. Companies don't pay attention to it, so I doubt Congress will. The whole issue is redundant seeing as whoever wants to unlock their phone, will end up unlocking it, whatever the law may be. Its not like the government will set up random checkpoints to take your phone and make sure its not unlocked. People are just over reacting like they usually do. Its been illegal to download music and movies for a few years now and that doesn't seem to stop the people doing it. The only thing I see the this law harming are the various websites and ebay auctions that make money from unlocking phones. The truth is compared to the old Nokia days, smart phones(some, not all) are pretty easy to unlock.
One of the provisions is if you buy a phone from a 3rd party youre exempt.
My opinion? Its a sad day in this country when you dont have complete ownership of some you purchase.
Today its phones, tomorrow its......?
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My opinion? Its a sad day in this country when you dont have complete ownership of some you purchase.
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I know. Even the cell phone industry (CTIA) basically admitted in its arguments to the Library of Congress that the reason they want this is purely in order to protect their business model (based on subsidies) and has nothing to do with copyright. It's bizarre to claim that it can possibly be a violation of copyright to use a physical device that you fully own the way you want. And it's pathetic that the U.S. is so far behind the rest of the world in terms of having a rational competitive wireless market.
Again the last two posts even though they stated the point they missed it. The carriers offer phones at a subsidised price to get subscribers to sign two year contracts not because they want to give you a good deal but because they want you to use and pay for their services fort that time. Prior to this law anyone could go and purchase a phone at a lower price and a month later decide to jump ship, sim unlock their phone and go to another carrier or worse stay with said carrier and sell the new phone for a profit. I could feasibly add a line to my account for an extra $5 a month which comes to $120 over two years, get a $600 phone for around $200 sim unlock it and sell it on eBay at the $600 price. That's a $280 profit in my pocket.
So the carriers shouldn't protect themselves from this type of activity.
Don't get me wrong i think all the carriers rape their customers every chance they get and i don't agree with 95% percent of what they do but trying to petition Congress over this is totally dumb. Maybe petition Congress to get reasonable cell phone pricing. Or how about the fact that i pay the same rate in an area with sketchy service as a person that live in Seattle and had great service.
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yeah, but all carriers have ETF's (Early Termination Fees) that you have to pay if you jump ship before fulfilling your contract. That should take care of the subsidized cost of the phone.
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yeah, but all carriers have ETF's (Early Termination Fees) that you have to pay if you jump ship before fulfilling your contract. That should take care of the subsidized cost of the phone.
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Yes if those fees actually get paid. Or most likely someone who is being shady in the first place will just let those fees go to collection and later written off in bankruptcy or simply forgotten about for years and years.
Take me for example, i got my phone for $99 (2 of them actually) and i am very unhappy with T-Mobile but still have 18 months on my contract well my thought is to unlock the phone, jump ship, and worry about the early term fees at a later date which by the way wouldn't be in my name anyway. So really if i break up with my girlfriend then I'm not responsible and i just made a $400 profit. Now i have two reasons not to do all that 1I'm not a shady person and 2 its now illegal.
My point is that all one needs to do is ask the carrier to unlock the phone and if there are no contact obligations then the carrier has no reason not to. The only ones that should have issue are those trying to be shady.
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Again the last two posts even though they stated the point they missed it. The carriers offer phones at a subsidised price to get subscribers to sign two year contracts not because they want to give you a good deal but because they want you to use and pay for their services fort that time. Prior to this law anyone could go and purchase a phone at a lower price and a month later decide to jump ship, sim unlock their phone and go to another carrier or worse stay with said carrier and sell the new phone for a profit. I could feasibly add a line to my account for an extra $5 a month which comes to $120 over two years, get a $600 phone for around $200 sim unlock it and sell it on eBay at the $600 price. That's a $280 profit in my pocket.
So the carriers shouldn't protect themselves from this type of activity.
Don't get me wrong i think all the carriers rape their customers every chance they get and i don't agree with 95% percent of what they do but trying to petition Congress over this is totally dumb. Maybe petition Congress to get reasonable cell phone pricing. Or how about the fact that i pay the same rate in an area with sketchy service as a person that live in Seattle and had great service.
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Yes if those fees actually get paid. Or most likely someone who is being shady in the first place will just let those fees go to collection and later written off in bankruptcy or simply forgotten about for years and years.
Take me for example, i got my phone for $99 (2 of them actually) and i am very unhappy with T-Mobile but still have 18 months on my contract well my thought is to unlock the phone, jump ship, and worry about the early term fees at a later date which by the way wouldn't be in my name anyway. So really if i break up with my girlfriend then I'm not responsible and i just made a $400 profit. Now i have two reasons not to do all that 1I'm not a shady person and 2 its now illegal.
My point is that all one needs to do is ask the carrier to unlock the phone and if there are no contact obligations then the carrier has no reason not to. The only ones that should have issue are those trying to be shady.
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No, sir, I believe YOU are missing the point if you honestly believe this is about carriers trying to recoup their $$$ from subsidized phones. Seriously? NOTHING in the bill states carriers can unlock phones after a contract is fulfilled, or that they have to. Therefore, after said contract is fulfilled, you STILL own a device you dont have control over.
Do you own a house? Do you have a mortgage? If so, you know that just by paying off the mortgage it doesnt give you any more property ownership rights that you didnt have when you signed the mortgage. Once you've signed it, you legally own it, even though you still owe money on it. Until this overreaching law took effect, it was that way for phones (for the most part).
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Again the last two posts even though they stated the point they missed it. The carriers offer phones at a subsidised price to get subscribers to sign two year contracts not because they want to give you a good deal but because they want you to use and pay for their services fort that time. Prior to this law anyone could go and purchase a phone at a lower price and a month later decide to jump ship, sim unlock their phone and go to another carrier or worse stay with said carrier and sell the new phone for a profit. I could feasibly add a line to my account for an extra $5 a month which comes to $120 over two years, get a $600 phone for around $200 sim unlock it and sell it on eBay at the $600 price. That's a $280 profit in my pocket.
So the carriers shouldn't protect themselves from this type of activity.
Don't get me wrong i think all the carriers rape their customers every chance they get and i don't agree with 95% percent of what they do but trying to petition Congress over this is totally dumb. Maybe petition Congress to get reasonable cell phone pricing. Or how about the fact that i pay the same rate in an area with sketchy service as a person that live in Seattle and had great service.
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You forgot an important point in your comment. YOU HAVE TO PAY 20-30USD PER MONTH FOR DATA! Therefore, your cost of adding a line is 120$+20x12=360$. So the profit is not as great as you mentioned.
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What's next? Putting restrictions on oxygen?
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Signed and reposted on Hackforums.
http://www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3226550
Hope you don't mind.
I linked this thread, and quoted the contents of the OP.
Figure it'd be good to get it out to a broader audience.
45,000 more signatures needed.
Go ahead and put my name on it. I'm too lazy to register, and I don't want a bunch of new e-mails trying to get me sign a bunch of other petitions.
And to the debate: Use an Obama phone, Save your money, and BUY a phone outright. The faster they see that this hurts the big TWO (AT&T, Verizon), it will change.
If you're impatient and want a phone NOW, understand the consequences. You are licensing that phone, and may never own it. And you'll also be advertising for whatever company you go with.
Yes, I know I'm advertising for T-Mobile in my signature. That's because I think they are honest, and very beneficial to the XDA community.
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Again the last two posts even though they stated the point they missed it. The carriers offer phones at a subsidized price to get subscribers to sign two year contracts not because they want to give you a good deal but because they want you to use and pay for their services fort that time. Prior to this law anyone could go and purchase a phone at a lower price and a month later decide to jump ship, sim unlock their phone and go to another carrier or worse stay with said carrier and sell the new phone for a profit. I could feasibly add a line to my account for an extra $5 a month which comes to $120 over two years, get a $600 phone for around $200 sim unlock it and sell it on eBay at the $600 price. That's a $280 profit in my pocket.
So the carriers shouldn't protect themselves from this type of activity.
Don't get me wrong i think all the carriers rape their customers every chance they get and i don't agree with 95% percent of what they do but trying to petition Congress over this is totally dumb. Maybe petition Congress to get reasonable cell phone pricing. Or how about the fact that i pay the same rate in an area with sketchy service as a person that live in Seattle and had great service.
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WELL SAID! BRAVO! This I would support as well as many others!
I have been on this side of things for a long time! I used to live in Seattle, had Sprint and Verizon because ATT and T-Mobile are both very sketchy up there, Verizon is top dawg and since Sprint uses Verizon's towers and is cheaper than anyone else, you get the best phones (imo) and best value, not to mention unlimited data.
That being said, I recently moved to Dallas, and Sprint/Verizon down here are really terrible! I mean Seattle, West Seattle I was pulling upwards of 70mb down and 50-60's up, ridiculous speeds, but made it a lot better when you paid your bill because you felt like you were getting something! Down in Dallas I never saw it go past 10-15mb. Not to mention my signal bars never reached full unless I was under a tower.
Tmobile, my current provider (only for another week or so) is just terrible everywhere. Best I have seen them anywhere is 6-10mb, and I'm sorry but they claim to have better call quality than ATT now, which is horse$hit! Dropped calls, taking over a minute just to start dialing, and when you do talk, lets just say its not good.
I just think that payment plans should be based on where you are at in their coverage area. (If you leave state/town for a trip that's on you). That's like car companies making you pay retail price for a used car same as a new one! Would you do it?
I hope you guys know they unlocking your device is legal. What's illegal is buying an unlock code from online sources. You can no longer just go online and pay a small fee (like $10) for the unlock code. You can call your service provider (T-Mobile as an example) and ask them for the code. (They shouldn't have a problem giving it to you.) Another way of legally unlocking your device is by doing a method like the one in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2024514
Or you could have someone that knows coding and have then do it for you. (As long as it is not through an online coding site you are good.)
Source: T-Mobile employee and target mobile employee.
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Well said Ariana....
Service provider must ... unlock the device at any time and at no charge.
At least that's what the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) is recommending.
It's warm day in February when I have something good to say about the CRTC but they do finally appear to cracking down on service provider fees, lengthy contracts, and cell phone locking.
I mention this because the title of this thread sounds like the opposite of ongoing discussions in Canada about how North American consumers are paying more than cell phone customers the world over.
More information by search for "Buyer's remorse" and CBC or go to the Canadian governments CRTC website to download a full pdf of current proposal.
(I'd give you the links, but I'm newly registered here
T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what they deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
Umm, no thanks. I am very thankful At&t is not more like Tmobile or I would have spotty, at best, cell service. From a root standpoint with the advent of Lollipop on my Note 4 I have more apps then ever able to be put on the SD card, and file explorers can now write to the external card. Many to most of the bloatware can have data deleted, giving them many times 0 data, and then frozen. Yes I would like root for some other reasons just because I like have full control and I wish At&t didn't lock down the phone, but I want reliable cell and data service more.
As for overages, I just went and re read the agreement just to be sure nothing has changed. They still will throttle you and may be before you have reached your limit. And of course as I mentioned above, does me no good even if truly unlimited unthrottled if I don't have a signal.
2swizzle said:
T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what that deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
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You know, I have been devving for a long time, i have seen many devices come to the consumer locked down. I can count the number of times that ANY change.org or emails to carriers/mfg's has made any type of difference and that number is "0", zilch, zip, nada no way not once. what many people seem to forget is that the percentage of users who are members or devs here at XDA or any other forum is way less than 1% of the total market, more than 99% of users never even know anything at all about root or custom roms so unfortunately signing petitions and emails is nothing more than a futile waste of time.
yeah......... despite these nay sayers here, I'll always hope for a better tomorrow, and ill still vote in my local elections, and ill still take the 30 seconds to sign a change.org petition when it's for something I support.
signed.
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You know, I have been devving for a long time, i have seen many devices come to the consumer locked down. I can count the number of times that ANY change.org or emails to carriers/mfg's has made any type of difference and that number is "0", zilch, zip, nada no way not once. what many people seem to forget is that the percentage of users who are members or devs here at XDA or any other forum is way less than 1% of the total market, more than 99% of users never even know anything at all about root or custom roms so unfortunately signing petitions and emails is nothing more than a futile waste of time.
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I would agree with you but this one is setup by the ceo of T-Mobile. I believe he carriers a little more power and credibility than someone on xda...
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soraxd said:
yeah......... despite these nay sayers here, I'll always hope for a better tomorrow, and ill still vote in my local elections, and ill still take the 30 seconds to sign a change.org petition when it's for something I support.
signed.
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Thanks for the support. I don't usually jump on board with change.org but the ceo of T-Mobile is awesome. Yes T-Mobile coverage can't compare with Verizon or AT&T, but they are trying to change that. Obtaining frequencies is not easy or cheap. T-Mobile morals are correct, and that's why I support them. I personally have Verizon unlimited coverage, but I hate Verizon the company.
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I think I had signed this petition back when it started. I've always thought overages were just fees they charged to give the CEO a nice bonus...
John Legere is one of the most obnoxious people of the current wave of "media hungry" senior executives. Crashing another company's client event? Fighting with Donald Trump on Twitter? He's running a multi-billion dollar corporation not pledging a frat.
I have no interest in aligning with T-Mobile but am grateful that in their quest for market share they've forced the entire industry to lower its profit margin which has benefitted me personally. With discounts I'm paying $90 a month for two phones on AT&T with 7GB for of data which I'm thankful to John for. It doesn't mean I ever want to be part of his circus though or deal with the challenges of all their high frequency spectrum.
I also moved from Cox to U-Verse recently and am saving a fortune on similar service because of my "wireless customer" buy-more-and-save discount from AT&T. Communication and content delivery is a sophisticated game of which wireless is only a small part. Only VZW and AT&T were smart enough to make investments in other related categories like Internet and TV to guarantee them some revenue diversity and to position themselves to capitalize on the IoT of things as it evolves. I wouldn't count AT&T and VZW out; they may not be the low price leaders but they aren't stupid either.
Seems like some people just don't understand.
The only reason ATT and VZ could invest in the internet was because they are the only companies that have access to the utilities that provide them other than the cable companies.
Traditional Telecom companies like ATT and VZ are government assisted monopolies even if someone wanted to invest in the internet they would have to request access to the public utilities that are literally managed by ATT/VZ biased government
Remember they bought out all the baby bells to build their monopoly they are not going to just let anyone walk into their territory.
The only threat to the telecoms is technically Google Fiber but that is only possible due to Google's popularity and economic power. If tmo or any competitor tries to encroach into the telecom giant's territory it would be red tape nightmare. And they will be stuck on some gov. inspector's desk for a decade until they get anywhere.
Even the largest share holder of t mobile thinks it's a failing company, http://www.computerworld.com/articl...stainable-while-legere-calls-it-nonsense.html
Att has won 4 out of 5 jd power awards for customer care in a row, t mobile has no stores to go to and a lack of caring customer care reps. Why back a company who doesn't care about you? They offer better deals? Yeah because they are failing, if I was gonna go out of business as a company id offer you the world to join my company for services too, once I'm back up and running the deals are gone and its business as usual. That's why att and Verizon aren't dropping prices on plans anymore, they saw what t mobile did, reacted and saw t mobile just kept throwing out more crazy deals and just shrugged and went about their own business. T mobile is a time bomb
If course t mobile has stores, I pass one almost every day.
The funny part in all this is that most T-mo subs would never have overages since they dont have any data coverage to go over with..
Hey John, how about less corny "pr stunts" and talking crap and worry about coverage..
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Even the largest share holder of t mobile thinks it's a failing company, http://www.computerworld.com/articl...stainable-while-legere-calls-it-nonsense.html
Att has won 4 out of 5 jd power awards for customer care in a row, t mobile has no stores to go to and a lack of caring customer care reps. Why back a company who doesn't care about you? They offer better deals? Yeah because they are failing, if I was gonna go out of business as a company id offer you the world to join my company for services too, once I'm back up and running the deals are gone and its business as usual. That's why att and Verizon aren't dropping prices on plans anymore, they saw what t mobile did, reacted and saw t mobile just kept throwing out more crazy deals and just shrugged and went about their own business. T mobile is a time bomb
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I don't care if they are a time bomb or not they forced at&t to do some changes and at&t forced verizon, if not for them I would never have the double data plan on my verizon plan.:good::fingers-crossed:
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T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what they deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
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Blah blah blah, that's all I hear out of T-Mobile but their coverage doesn't improve in my area. I am VERY grateful for the pricing strategies they've introduced which forced ATT/Verizon to follow suit, means cheaper service for me. But the last time I compared ATT to T-Mobile the savings were minimal in exchange for a marked worsening of reception, no thanks.
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T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what they deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
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John Legere is douche. T-Mobile won't last for too long until someone buys them out or just dies.
For my money the Note7 is miles ahead of any other phone out there. 95 incidents of overheating out of 2,500,000 phones. That's one in every 26,315 - a risk I'm prepared to take considering there have been no major fires and no major injuries. Of course I'll be careful and won't leave my phone unattended particular if it's on a combustible surface. I've disabled updates (Package Disabler Pro) so hopefully Samsung can't render it useless or with only minimal charge.
As far as not receiving updates - I don't need them - the phone's great as it is. Let's not think either that switching phone's is fail safe - reports show that iPhones including 7's and 6's have experienced similar problems.
It would be great if the Note8 could be released in the next couple of months - I'd hang on to the 7 as long as possible before switching. The likelihood of that however is practically nil. It could take months to even find the issue with the 7 and the 8 won't be considered until the answer is found.
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hopefully Samsung can't render it useless or with only minimal charge.
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But in theory there is also another possibility: that sooner or later all the Note 7 IMEIs would be blacklisted by the carriers making this phone only a wifi MP3/video player...
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But in theory there is also another possibility: that sooner or later all the Note 7 IMEIs would be blacklisted by the carriers making this phone only a wifi MP3/video player...
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People aren't thinking about this aspect of things.
Not sure that would be lawful. It isn't going to happen.
IMHO blacklisting is perfectly lawful at least in Italy, like it's also lawful that a carrier can close a subscription if the customer is using a non legal device.
Once a device is officially considered dangerous by the manufacturer itself, and recalled and withdrawn from the market, then any action for the purpose of assuring the public safety might be allowed.
After all the carrier is not seizing the phone and a refund is available to the customer.
But maybe the legal situation is different in the US.
How does the carrier know what device its SIM is being used in and how does Samsung know what carrier I'm using? If there is a way then I guess the possibility of disabling would exists. The whole issue could get terribly messy and could make some lawyers quite wealthy! I'm in the UK by the way.
And if God forbid anything ever happen to your note 7 and it causes damage to you, your family, your property or a third person, any insurance claim you would make would be null and void because you choose to ignore a product recall, therefore accepting the liability. Should it happen to a third party (such as in someone elses property or business and it cause damage) you would be the culpable party.
Is putting the safety of your home, health and family really worth the risk even if it's is a small risk for a smartphone ?
If it is, we have a different definition of priorities. Hubris is all well and good until it goes wrong ...
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IMEI numbers are sent out from the device to the carrier for checking for stolen phones. so any blacklisted phones would be unable to connect to networks. this list is used on a country scale not a worldwide scale. so any phones blocked with the IMEI number can be used in country which it did not originate from. this is why stolen phones are still a thing. it can still be used in another country.
nookcoloruser said:
And if God forbid anything ever happen to your note 7 and it causes damage to you, your family, your property or a third person, any insurance claim you would make would be null and void because you choose to ignore a product recall, therefore accepting the liability. Should it happen to a third party (such as in someone elses property or business and it cause damage) you would be the culpable party.
Is putting the safety of your home, health and family really worth the risk even if it's is a small risk for a smartphone ?
If it is, we have a different definition of priorities. Hubris is all well and good until it goes wrong ...
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Something else they aren't thinking of. People going I will sue samsung...news flash, you got no ground.
Only people who can get away with it are those who bought through ebay and samsung and the carrier down right refused to change it
You wont get software updates. No thanks
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I'm weighing my options.
Are you also able to fix it yourself if something fails? What if your glass shatters? No service centre will fix anything for you.
I would say that there are different types of Note7 owners. There are posers and there are users. There are power users and developers and there are extreme modders. There are tinkers and there are wreckers.
They all have different perspective as to how they handle and use their Note7
Rick GM said:
How does the carrier know what device its SIM is being used in and how does Samsung know what carrier I'm using? If there is a way then I guess the possibility of disabling would exists. The whole issue could get terribly messy and could make some lawyers quite wealthy! I'm in the UK by the way.
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The carrier knows exactly what device you are using when u are no thier network.
If they do go down the route of blocking imei, they will treat the phone like a stolen one so it will be blacklisted on all networks in a certain country, If say your o2 phone is stolen and you report it to o2, the IMEI is blalcklisted on o2 and all other UK networks but not the rest of the world.
As I understand it the imei blacklisting can only be initiated from a network that the phone has been on.
I really doubt this will happen it seems like too much work, in too many countries, they might even need court orders to do it millions of Imei's hundreds of networks.
lets face it , in real world if it stop production , means no software , doesnt matter , most importantly no spare parts , even china cloners doesnt want to clone it any more , unless you are that good that you can troubleshoot and diy fixed a motherboard then go ahead
Ridiculous I understand that the phone is one of a kind but to use it knowing it was responsible for lighting someone's vehicle on fire is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't care HOW few phones are lighting on fire, this isn't a normal QC problem it shouldn't happen and clearly something other than the battery is responsible for it.
I'm sorry but a phone isn't worth a vehicle nor is it worth a house or a person's life. You can pretend that it can't happen to you but I am sure that's what other people thought that did have theirs light up.
You're going to feel really crappy if your phone causes property damage or worse.
Please man reconsider, I am sure a "Note 8" will come out in less than a year you can live without this phone for a few quarters of the year. What did you do before you had the Note 7? You were fine before then you'll be fine using another phone in the meantime.
Furthermore 3rd party support has already started to cease, no VR support has already started (Oculus).
You're making a terrible choice.
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There has been no official recall from the cpsc yet for the replacement note 7. Samsung official statement is they are investigating and "asking" customers to return their phones.
While the investigation is taking place, Samsung is asking all carrier and retail partners here and around the globe to stop sales and exchanges of the Galaxy Note7. Since the affected devices can overheat and pose a safety risk, we are asking consumers with an original Galaxy Note7 or a replacement Galaxy Note7 to power it down and contact the carrier or retail outlet where you purchased your Galaxy Note7
I know they have stopped production but how could they blacklist these phones when it's clearly a voluntary recall?
If it's a voluntary recall they won't block the IMEI.
If it's mandatory they certainly will, because then it clears them in the event someone continues to use the phone and catches fire they will not be liable.
The phone is dangerous, do not 'fanboy' over it as phones have such a short lifespan it will be replaced soon enough.
Points that i think we should consider:
1 - Possibility of IMEI blocking.
2 - No future updates.
3 - No assistance in software or hardware.
4 - If something happens, no insurance money.
5 - Even when it has some higher prices in aftermarket, may be hard to sell and the person who brought can open a dispute if the phone burns.
I'm planning on keeping mine, but we should realistic, at least, about the possibilities.
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For my money the Note7 is miles ahead of any other phone out there. 95 incidents of overheating out of 2,500,000 phones. That's one in every 26,315 - a risk I'm prepared to take considering there have been no major fires and no major injuries.
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There's been a couple new reports since The Verge Super Sunday and the odds keep growing. (1 in UK and 1 in Hawaii from memory)
Im not happy about this SMS I received earlier today:
Just received a message from Telstra.
From 15th December 2016 this Note 7 will start to have its access to Australian mobile networks withdrawn.
This is part of Samsungs recall of the Note 7.
Once this is complete only emergency calls will be able to be made from this device. please turn off your Note 7 and return it to your nearest Telstra store as soon as possible
anyone know a way around this?
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Im not happy about this SMS I received earlier today:
Just received a message from Telstra.
From 15th December 2016 this Note 7 will start to have its access to Australian mobile networks withdrawn.
This is part of Samsungs recall of the Note 7.
Once this is complete only emergency calls will be able to be made from this device. please turn off your Note 7 and return it to your nearest Telstra store as soon as possible
anyone know a way around this?
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Not really any good ways out mate. Best to start shopping.
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This?
http://www.samsung.com/au/galaxynote7-notice/note7-network-discontinuation-release-dec-1.pdf
The lack of global coordination and consistency by Samsung is simply STAGGERING.
I note this paragraph, from Samsung Australia:
To apologise for this inconvenience and to thank our loyal customers, customers who
exchange their Note7 for either the Samsung Galaxy S7 or Galaxy S7 edge, will (in addition
to receiving (for outright purchases) a refund for the difference between the two resale
prices) receive a specific partner offer to the value of $250. This offer will end on December
22.
It is ANY wonder people like me here in the UK are hanging on to their Note7's when (a) no IMEI block is being talked about and (b) we are being offered FECK ALL by way of incentive?
Here in the UK we get this : Would you like to swap your Note7 for an inferior in every respect, and soon to be outdated S7 Edge FOR NO REFUND AND EXACTLY THE SAME COST PER MONTH?
Er, No!
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Im not happy about this SMS I received earlier today:
Just received a message from Telstra.
From 15th December 2016 this Note 7 will start to have its access to Australian mobile networks withdrawn.
This is part of Samsungs recall of the Note 7.
Once this is complete only emergency calls will be able to be made from this device. please turn off your Note 7 and return it to your nearest Telstra store as soon as possible
anyone know a way around this?
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The easiest way, but maybe uncomfortable, is to take an addidional phone (not a Note 7) with you. Can be a simple one, but must offer mobile hotspot feature.
Put your simcard inside, activate mobile hotspot, connect to this hotspot with your Note 7 and you can make and receive calls via any suitable voip app you like. Even for incoming calls, it's possible to route your provider's phone number to your voip number. Depending on your rate it may or may not cause additional costs for this call routing.
The other ways depend on the kind of blocking you from network. If it's just made by getting the information from your build.prop you can root your device and edit your model type, so it claims to be S7edge for example, or what you like. If IMEI blocking is used, there are ways around too, but as they may be not legal in some countries, we don't discuss this here. But it's easy to use google to find out ^^
Bluetooth Sim Adapter?
I am in the same boat but with Optus. Pretty annoyed that Samsung would bother with this type of thing at this point in time. Anyone who has bothered to block the 60% battery OTA is obviously savvy enough to weigh up the pros and cons with the device and is more than happy to keep it.
I read they will use the IMEI to block and unfortunately it seems the relevant authorities take a dim view of IMEIs being changed. Bugger.
The idea to carry a separate phone and hot spot has merit to.
Most interested about the bluetooth or dual sim adapter idea. Would that change the IMEI? Anybody has already tried such devices ?
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Most interested about the bluetooth or dual sim adapter idea. Would that change the IMEI? Anybody has already tried such devices ?
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Afaik the bluetooth sim adapters have no own IMEI. So probably the original one from the phone will be presented to the network. Furthermore, a lot of those adapters only support 2G mode for mobile internet access. Only a few already support 3G/4G. So for acceptable data access you will need wifi connection.
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Afaik the bluetooth sim adapters have no own IMEI. So probably the original one from the phone will be presented to the network. Furthermore, a lot of those adapters only support 2G mode for mobile internet access. Only a few already support 3G/4G. So for acceptable data access you will need wifi connection.
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That sucks. Thanks for the info.
Chippy_boy said:
The lack of global coordination and consistency by Samsung is simply STAGGERING.
I note this paragraph, from Samsung Australia:
To apologise for this inconvenience and to thank our loyal customers, customers who
exchange their Note7 for either the Samsung Galaxy S7 or Galaxy S7 edge, will (in addition
to receiving (for outright purchases) a refund for the difference between the two resale
prices) receive a specific partner offer to the value of $250. This offer will end on December
22.
It is ANY wonder people like me here in the UK are hanging on to their Note7's when (a) no IMEI block is being talked about and (b) we are being offered FECK ALL by way of incentive?
Here in the UK we get this : Would you like to swap your Note7 for an inferior in every respect, and soon to be outdated S7 Edge FOR NO REFUND AND EXACTLY THE SAME COST PER MONTH?
Er, No!
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yep the UK got screwed, all I got from O2 was a load of hassle and them trying to make me wait weeks before letting me replace the phone, I phoned them a week and a half after they sent the courier to collect my phone and they were telling me it still hadn't been received and processed, in the end I was forced to take a phone with EE and threaten to take action against O2 to get them to release my contract, honestly it was a total screw up from beginning to end with O2 and all the time them telling me "we don't have to compensate you for anything." including the fact that I couldn't even use the service due to them taking my phone away and trying to refuse to release my contract so I could upgrade or even offering to let me get a replacement phone.
so yeah Samsung screwed the UK and left us to the mercy of money grabbing useless networks who would rather piss off their customers and make money instead of actually helping them. but then what could I expect with O2 the firm who originally told me that 3G was a failed technology and would never catch on.
I'm with Optus. If any one has a written around in all ears. Are we sure it's Imei block In Australia? I might have to go back to my cracked screen note 3 till so is released.
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yep the UK got screwed, all I got from O2 was a load of hassle and them trying to make me wait weeks before letting me replace the phone, I phoned them a week and a half after they sent the courier to collect my phone and they were telling me it still hadn't been received and processed, in the end I was forced to take a phone with EE and threaten to take action against O2 to get them to release my contract, honestly it was a total screw up from beginning to end with O2 and all the time them telling me "we don't have to compensate you for anything." including the fact that I couldn't even use the service due to them taking my phone away and trying to refuse to release my contract so I could upgrade or even offering to let me get a replacement phone.
so yeah Samsung screwed the UK and left us to the mercy of money grabbing useless networks who would rather piss off their customers and make money instead of actually helping them. but then what could I expect with O2 the firm who originally told me that 3G was a failed technology and would never catch on.
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Well I say **** 'em. I'm going to use my Note7 until I decide to change it and when I do decide I am going to get a full refund off them, via the courts if necessary.
This entire farce has been **** all to do with concerns about safety (how can it be when there have been ZERO problems in the UK, and yet tumble driers can burn your house down and no-one gives a ****). It's been ENTIRELY about Samsung wanting to protect its image and its stock price, and to hell with its customers. The whole thing stinks.
I am going to go the hotspot route ... until I can be bothered to spend the time to circumvent the blocked IMEI.
So does anyone have a favourite VOIP app that also transfers phone calls from the hotspotted device to the VOIP app on the Note 7 ?
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I am going to go the hotspot route ... until I can be bothered to spend the time to circumvent the blocked IMEI.
So does anyone have a favourite VOIP app that also transfers phone calls from the hotspotted device to the VOIP app on the Note 7 ?
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What about skype? You can get a phone number from then, put your sim card in the device using as hotspot, and then make a permanent call redirection to your skype number with the skype app installed on the note.
Depending on your rate it may or may not have additional costs for the redirection. With a full flat rate it should be free of charge.
Thanks Wolf-pack. I have gone Skype (and bought their number) to get voice calls and for texts I have set up Mysms on my hotspot phone and the mysms mirror app on my Note 7.
A pain to carry a 2nd phone but it will do until I sort the IMEI