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Remove honeycomb from Start menu?

Is there some way to remove the Honeycomb effect (offset fonts) from the Start menu?
Also, I'd like to have more control over the order of things in the Start menu. Are there any tweaks that provide this control?

i really wish microsoft would do something about the start menu. its not honeycomb anymore without the honeycomb. its just staggered and it doesnt make sense anymore. if you want to place icons in certain order you have to press and hold and move up and down. its tedious but thats the way it works. switch to htcs manila start menu if you want it different.

This article actually suggests the staggered layout is more finger friendly than a regular grid. Not sure I buy it. Like most people, I think it makes the menu look jumbled.
http://onlygizmos.com/windows-mobile-65-honeycomb-menu-is-more-than-just-looks/2009/03/
Its true that the lack of sorting and re-organizing features for the Start Menu is annoying and a bit puzzling.
Don't know of any hacks for changing the staggered layout.
But reStart and Icon Changer are XDA user-developed programs that allow you to re-order icons, or change them. I've tried reStart with limited success. For some reason, the icons don't always end up where you put them on the list. I haven't tried Icon Changer yet, but intend to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481379
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567080

Seriously, this is the best Microsoft could do with a start menu? This is what was supposed to compete with the fluid cleanliness of iPhone's home screen? Ridiculous.
I avoid the "Start" screen at all costs and use Manilla whenever possible.

I organize the Start menu into folders and then alphabetize the icons with re/Start.
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As I always say, QuickMenu. You can make the individual items as large as you want to make it increasingly touch-friendly, and it makes sense, includes the ability to end programs, recent launched, links to settings, etc..

I've been using an app called Panoramic Launchpad downloaded from Microsoft Marketplace for a few bucks. It's been working great, you can reorganize any icon you want on the fly by hold and drag. The only downside is it takes up about 8MB of RAM the last time I looked.

adp9626 said:
I've been using an app called Panoramic Launchpad downloaded from Microsoft Marketplace for a few bucks. It's been working great, you can reorganize any icon you want on the fly by hold and drag. The only downside is it takes up about 8MB of RAM the last time I looked.
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8 megs!?!?! Hahahahah, refund.

i actually wasnt a fan of the old start menu. the drop down didnt make sense. going straight into all programs did so microsoft threw you in there. and the honeycomb prototype design was super snazzy. http://stevewiilliams.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/win-mo-6-5.jpg i think htc did a good job at replacing that through the manila start menu in tf3d 2.0. but it doesnt really fit in with sense 2.5 so rather than updating it, they just dropped that all together. seems no one can make a good looking cohesive start menu.

Are you saying that Sense doesn't have a Programs tab?

i was actaully saying it didnt have manila start menu but yeah it doesnt look like it has a programs tab either.

Looks like the original question hasn't been answered yet - how do you get rid of the honeycomb? I tried the Showaco start menu program (from the folks that did REstart) but it did not work on my Sprint TP2 with 6.5.

AWESOME START
That's what I use, it creates a drop down listing which you can scroll through, if you tap and hold you can set to the top or down. I think if you pair this with ReStart you can get a pretty workable start menu.
I first found the cab on xda, but cannot remember which thread, so I apologize to the dev.
Hope this helps.

Awesome Start shows a list rather than icons. That still doesn't answer the question in this thread. How do we show the start menu with icons like normal, just not honeycombed?

vogelap said:
Is there some way to remove the Honeycomb effect (offset fonts) from the Start menu?
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Awesome Start removes the Honeycomb effect
vogelap said:
Also, I'd like to have more control over the order of things in the Start menu. Are there any tweaks that provide this control?
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ReStart provides more control over the order of things in the Start menu
►@Madmartian, I do not know for sure how to fix the honeycomb effect (perhaps the Cookies tweak, but I do not know for sure), but I think the OP was answered.

Re: Default Windows Start Menu Alternative: Winstart
Many users in the NRG Rhodium thread recently recommended Winstart for WM 6.x. The paid version ($5) offers more RAM savings & tweaks vs the free version. And it works w/ or w/o Sense.
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[Future Release] Tile Concept

So I was thinking the other day that there is no reason why some tiles couldn't be smaller. It would be cool if you could long hold a tile and have an option com up to split it into a half tile. Other hub like tiles could be further subdivided. I use IE to demonstrate this, but the music up could allow you to pin a favorite artist or two to it. Or the game hub could likewise use 1/2 tile to display game invites, and then two 1/4 tiles to link directly to your two favorite games. What are your thoughts?
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+1!
I would love to see this

like this too...

Here's what I've been wanting MS to do, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full width sizes

If only Microsoft would actually come in here and read some of this stuff...

Genius!
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I realy like it too. Eather I don't understand why there is no option to make smaller icons at the beginig of WP7.

There should be an option when pinning to the home screen which size you want. It would call for more work on the dev's part to add all of the extra icons in their apps that encompass all of the sizes, but WP7 is already easy to work with.

this will be great..... i hope MS will look at this and add this to the mango update...

hmmm, honestly dont really like the split tiles. Just doesnt look as clean and simplistic as the original. I like the interface as it is now, however adding more options or subdivisons(and not separate tiles) within a single tile would be welcome.

hey, they're almost icons, keep going!

PsychoAssasin said:
hmmm, honestly dont really like the split tiles. Just doesnt look as clean and simplistic as the original. I like the interface as it is now, however adding more options or subdivisons(and not separate tiles) within a single tile would be welcome.
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You are probably one of 1000 who don't like this opinion. So if you don't like, just use biger icons. Us who like smaller, than could use smaller.

I really like this layout. It adds diversity to the screen and also allows you to see more at the first glimpse. I would really welcome this, but I am pretty confident we'll never see this

I would love this layout as an option! Make it so that to add it you would need to go into the app settings, then people wouldnt complain about it being mandatory.
Edit- Imagine this concept with a facebook app, you could have different parts of the tile split into different functions, like one could be facebook chat with notifications, just a straight notifications one and then another with new messages. So, each would have seperate notifications and tapping it would take you directly to it.

brilliant!

The concept is nice, but I like the original tiles any smaller and it will look like icons

I would bet the OP used to have a HD2 because this reminds me of a great mod everyone was using to be able to accomodate more icons to the homescreen. While it was awesome for Winmo 6.5 I don't really like it for WP7 because the tiles are not just icons, they're supposed to display information.
I've just read the comments over this concept at WPCentral and this is what I had to say...
I think the people who see an issue with the tiles don't actually see where the real issue is. The real issue is some(most) tiles only act as counters and are the ones wasting space. However we have to keep them on the start screen because there isn't a notification center.
I said that before, Windows Phone needs to go the Meego route and have a 3rd page that's just for notifications (and maybe one more useful feature like data/wifi toggles as someone suggested).
Example: I currently have Accuweather and AlphaJax pinned to my start screen. Accuweather is an informative tile that shows useful information at a glance. AlphaJax doesn't do anything. It just shows a number that tells me it's my turn to play, it's just a counter. AlphaJax could be on my notification page and moved away from my start screen in favour of a more informative app like prime tv.
Think about it, how many of your "live" tiles are just counters?
Also I'm not too keen on the "they could still make it and make it optional". It's not like it would require a snap of the fingers, there's still lots of work to be done (including changes to the core UI) for something people might use. All these resources would be better used in creating something like a notification page.

Looks too cluttered, smaller icons will be harder to hit on smaller screens, more frustration which will be blamed on "Windows Mobile".

I definitely like this idea of adjusting the live tile size, more options and choice is always good. That coupled with adding extra pages to help categorize your apps would make the UI that much better for notifications and wifi/bt/etc toggles or even just a page with live tiles dedicated to news or games or whatever. I would have thought that MS who prioritize efficiency would give us the option of additional pages so we don't have to endlessly and skillfully scroll down our home screen to find what we want 'quickly'

Love it. Ability to fit a few more things on the home screen without scrolling would be awesome.

[HOWTO]Customize your Lockscreen with Widgetlocker

I didn't find a thread dedicated to customizing your lockscreen, tought it might be a good idea to post a quick how-to in case some people didn't know about this yet. I've gotten a lot of help from this community so I wanted to give something back, even if it's something small
So the Widgetlocker app allows you to modify your lockscreen, you can add app shortcuts, widgets, sliders, actions, change the background and a bunch of other stuff.
1. Download the Widgetlocker app.
2. Open the app, get into the "tool mode" (tutorial has a good explanation on the different modes).
3. Long press on the screen and there you can choose to add a custom slider, application shortcut or widget.
4. For custom sliders chose ICS theme to make it look like stock, then long press and click edit. You can add up to 4 different actions/shortcuts/applications.
Here are some screenshots of mine, nothing fancy, just 2 extra sliders with 4 apps each. Added flashlight and sound toggle to the default slider and weather widget below the clock.
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You can press thanks if I helped. Enjoy!
Lots of themes for Widgetlocker are available here (thanks zombieflanders)
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Nice work, thanks for sharing.

When I was looking at reviews of this app on the Market, I noticed some people complaining on battery drain, have you experienced that, or any other negative side effects of using Widgetlocker?

bekyndnunwind said:
When I was looking at reviews of this app on the Market, I noticed some people complaining on battery drain, have you experienced that, or any other negative side effects of using Widgetlocker?
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Haven't experienced any battery drain so far. The app was a bit quirky at first but checking the "Root Helper" option in advanced settings and disabling the default lockscreen helps a lot.

Good info for those who don't know about it, gabster21. As an addition, there's eleventy billion (no, really, there's so many that they had to create a new index on Google Docs) WidgetLocker themes in this thread, with support from the dev here. BTW the dev is the always-awesome and responsive [email protected], who is responsible for Nova Launcher, which even in beta whoops the stock launcher's butt, so if you haven't already, be sure to thank hi as well as gabster21 and zHk3R.

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Good info for those who don't know about it, gabster21. As an addition, there's eleventy billion (no, really, there's so many that they had to create a new index on Google Docs) WidgetLocker themes in this thread, with support from the dev here. BTW the dev is the always-awesome and responsive [email protected], who is responsible for Nova Launcher, which even in beta whoops the stock launcher's butt, so if you haven't already, be sure to thank hi as well as gabster21 and zHk3R.
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I had a look at those earlier but forgot to add that to the first post.. done it now, thanks!

Another cool feature, useful for advanced users (especially those with root): If you go into WL's settings menu and hold the volume-down button for a couple seconds, you get an additional menu of "experimental" settings. But as the title says, they really are experimental, which means they're unsupported and may not work or even break functionality.

When the ICS slider is at the bottom it expands very small, much smaller than the stock bubble (where the selections sit). But when the slider is moved up from the bottom of the grid it expands all the way, giving a longer travel from the center before a toggle is selected. Does anyone know why this is?
EDIT: I would delete this if I could figure out how. The circle expands less because I had a shortcut on the bottom which would get cut off if it expanded more.

Hello droids
I completely forgot how to customize the maingrid of the app.
In my previous setup i had clock, battery % and (eventually) battery status charging (like gabster21 lockscreen)
I need phosphoreus, but how to config again in this way?
Thanks

Ok for now i solved by an experimental function (hold down volume button in settings menu) but i would know still how i did that customization in the maingrid...
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[Q] Fullscreen widget?

Rather than have to use multi picture live wallpaper (I hate that bloated app), I'd like to just use zooper to show backgrounds, but is there any way to have them fill the whole thing?
This is using Nova Launcher.
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paradoxiumwind said:
Rather than have to use multi picture live wallpaper (I hate that bloated app), I'd like to just use zooper to show backgrounds, but is there any way to have them fill the whole thing?
This is using Nova Launcher.
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Kind of. Try Themer.

Would really not rather have to install the whole themer suite to be able to do this, there must be a simpler way?
It puzzles me that launchers don't let you set different wallpapers per page as standard, what's up with that??

paradoxiumwind said:
Rather than have to use multi picture live wallpaper (I hate that bloated app), I'd like to just use zooper to show backgrounds, but is there any way to have them fill the whole thing?
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If you have gaps between your Zooper widget and the edges of the screen, change your homescreen grid. Most times even numbered grid like 8X6 seem to work best.
Your main problem for the "whole screen" approach will be the navbar. There is no way to get a widget "behind" it, so your only option would be to hide it via Immersive Mode. This would require root though.

I'm working on a fix, but I have another question/gripe: Is there any way to stop zooper from caching the selected image, and keep using the one I selected from the location it is in? It would help a lot with changing an image, copying it over to the phone, then changing the widget to choose the new image rather than the cached one. Very annoying.

Ugh. Feeling frustrated here.
I'm trying to make my backgrounds the full resolution of the phone, 1920x180.
I can't get it to look right like this: (the green background will be changed to grey, it's there to help me adjust it.)
But I'm having to make the files like this:
(In order to get the above image)
What's going on? Why can't I just use a full resolution image?

paradoxiumwind said:
Ugh. Feeling frustrated here.
I'm trying to make my backgrounds the full resolution of the phone, 1920x180.
I can't get it to look right like this: (the green background will be changed to grey, it's there to help me adjust it.)
But I'm having to make the files like this:
(In order to get the above image)
What's going on? Why can't I just use a full resolution image?
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The resolution you quote is for the full screen of the device but this includes the navbar too. What Android and thus Zooper get as the rendering screeen is your device resolution - navbar (- statusbar if you don't hide it in Nova for instance). So if you have aimage that's the full (device) resolution it won't fill the width of the device because of the different ratios between device resolution and actual rendering resolution.

Sigh. The solution - so simple. /facepalm
I just set the image as a background across all pages. It's the same on each one, so there was really no need to do all this.
Now if only I could somehow set it without quickpic/novalauncher trying to crop it, when it's the perfect size.

The fruits of my 3-hour long labour, when the solution was so simple...
Still, I'm wondering if there is any way to stop zooper from caching images and just use the ones in the same location as they are selected.

paradoxiumwind said:
The fruits of my 3-hour long labour, when the solution was so simple...
Still, I'm wondering if there is any way to stop zooper from caching images and just use the ones in the same location as they are selected.
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Looking good! Worth the effort I'd say
And to answer your question: no, there isn't. Zooper always caches images (probably for performance reasons).

kwerdenker said:
Looking good! Worth the effort I'd say
And to answer your question: no, there isn't. Zooper always caches images (probably for performance reasons).
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Thanks. Another quick question - when I open the zooper widget and select an element to modify, is there no way to go back to the main zooper window to select another widget without exiting and going back in to the app drawer and launching it again? Another annoyance.

paradoxiumwind said:
Thanks. Another quick question - when I open the zooper widget and select an element to modify, is there no way to go back to the main zooper window to select another widget without exiting and going back in to the app drawer and launching it again? Another annoyance.
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Also no on that one. I prefer to keep the OnTap for widgets intact as long as possible so I can enter the edit mode just by tapping them for this reason and only change it at the last possible moment.

Rather than making a new thread, is it possible to re-create the battery widget seen in my screenshot with zooper? (Always in favour of using less apps than required).
I'm guessing it is, perhaps I can try modifying the battery/clock widget that comes with zooper?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.depoortere.android.CircleBatteryWidget

Hi,
Use a progress bar with settings such as 300 length, 3 high, 360 curve.
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General XDA article: Android 13 leak reveals four new styles for dynamic theming system, gives us a glimpse of notification permissions

https://www.xda-developers.com/andr...namic-theming-notification-permission-dialog/
January 13, 2022 2:39am Kishan Vyas
Android 13 leak reveals four new styles for dynamic theming system, gives us a glimpse of notification permissions​The wallpaper-based dynamic theming is one of the biggest highlights of Android 12. The feature, codenamed “monet,” generates a rich color palette based on the colors extracted from your wallpaper and then applies them to theme various parts of the system UI and apps. It appears the wallpaper-based theming system is set to get even more dynamic in Android 13.
According to Android Police (via Mishaal Rahman), Google is working on four new styles for the monet theming system. These new styles are codenamed TONAL_SPOT, VIBRANT, EXPRESSIVE, and SPRITZ. All these styles would still use your wallpaper to generate a color palette.
TONAL_SPOT: The default Material You pallete.
VIBRANT: This one offers more colorful secondary and background colors
EXPRESSIVE: Covers a wider range of colors, including those not present in the background.
SPIRITZ: It has a muted, almost grayscale pallete
Android 12 on Pixel phones already offers four dynamic theme styles which are generated by changing the seed color or main hue. However, these new styles would be different in that they would offer greater customization and colorfulness.
Here are some screenshots that showcase all four styles in action:
TONAL_SPOT
VIBRANT
EXPRESSIVE
SPIRITZ
A separate report from Android Police gives us the first look at Android 13’s runtime permission for notifications. As we previously reported, Android 13 adds a new runtime permission for notifications. This means that notifications could become an opt-in feature on Android 13. Users may be able to choose whether they want to allow an app to send a notification, just like how they are able to control Location and Camera permissions. The following screenshot shared by Android Police showcases how the notification permission dialogue would look like in Android 13. As you can see, the dialogue shows two options: Allow and Don’t.
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I still can't wrap my head around Android 12!

yup but they still got android 12 to fix. (i pretty much have 0 issues besides wifi dropping 6g).

They can also add getting rid of the disgusting pure black quick settings pull-down in light theme and actually make it match material you colors.

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They can also add getting rid of the disgusting pure black quick settings pull-down in light theme and actually make it match material you colors.
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As long as they keep the option to have it pure black.

roirraW edor ehT said:
As long as they keep the option to have it pure black.
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Of course, when you choose dark theme. You know, the way it actually makes sense.

I would love some options, not what they think we like but like hex color codes and font selection, turn off material you theming switch would be nice, i dont like the bad way they miss the colors on the system.
To me Android 12 is a step down in terms of theming, and the only issue i have is android auto and music playing, my wireless headset does not drop audio at all but android auto does it like 5-6 times on a 30 min drive.

I wish they'd let me change my font again. ‍

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I wish they'd let me change my font again. ‍
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They need to allow greater customization similar to Samsung and their options; such as lock screen clock, fonts, icon styles etc. It makes more sense for it to come from Google than a direct competitor.
Even "material you" is so limited i don't even see it as a proper theme engine.

RetroTech07 said:
They need to allow greater customization similar to Samsung and their options; such as lock screen clock, fonts, icon styles etc. It makes more sense for it to come from Google than a direct competitor.
Even "material you" is so limited i don't even see it as a proper theme engine.
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While I agree with you about material you being limited, keep in mind it was a massive change to the system and it's only in its first release. It's clearly gonna expand from here. Lock screen clock is already rumored to be coming in android 13 or maybe it was even 12L. And if you want to change fonts and icons etc maybe your better off Samsung? I don't believe Google cares to do that...you can already install a third party launcher and change your icons and with ADB you can change your fonts most likely. You can already do more customization on a pixel than an iPhone...yet Apple seems to get away with it and Google gets crapped on because they don't do as much as Samsung etc.

Bwyan Benton said:
While I agree with you about material you being limited, keep in mind it was a massive change to the system and it's only in its first release. It's clearly gonna expand from here. Lock screen clock is already rumored to be coming in android 13 or maybe it was even 12L. And if you want to change fonts and icons etc maybe your better off Samsung? I don't believe Google cares to do that...you can already install a third party launcher and change your icons and with ADB you can change your fonts most likely. You can already do more customization on a pixel than an iPhone...yet Apple seems to get away with it and Google gets crapped on because they don't do as much as Samsung etc.
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ya just root your phone and magisk module it lol.
Ok jk but ya root and or apps allow a ton of options to happen.
you just reminded me to turn on bold font for my pixel 6 pro.