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[Q] Photo effect ..

Just wondering can anyone tell me when you can actually use the photo effect?? I have noticed there are times when I took shots, I cant use the duo effect editing???

kuailan said:
Just wondering can anyone tell me when you can actually use the photo effect?? I have noticed there are times when I took shots, I cant use the duo effect editing???
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Ah.....I think I found my answers after googling around.....Here is the answers if anyone is interested:
There are a number of reasons why Duo Effects may not work with your photo:
One or both lens were blocked when you took the photo.
You didn't use the Camera capture mode. You can't use Duo Effects on photos taken in other capture modes.
The photo you're trying to apply the effects to was taken using the front camera.
The scene was not set to Auto.
The flash was not set to off when the photo was taken.
There was not enough ambient light when the photo was taken.
You've zoomed in or the camera may be too close to the subject when the shot was taken.
Duo Effects can't be applied to cropped photos.
Duo Effects can't be applied to the same photo more than once.

Duo modi all the time greyed out
Hi,
i have the same problem all the time the camera says lenses are blocked. But my hand is far away form the two lenses

Best replacement camera app for LGG4?

Has anyone tried any replacement camera apps for the LGG4? Don't get me wrong, I like the stock camera but I do think it lacks a little in features (in auto mode). I tried 'Open Camera' and I really like the extra features but It only has 4x zoom instead of the 8x the stock camera handles. I also don't know if any 3rd party camera apps take full advantage of the G4's laser focus and color spectrum analyzer? Another feature that I like in 'Open Camera' is the ability to select scenes such as back light, indoors, macro and candle light. I know the G4 stock app has automatic scene selection but I like a little more control.
So what do you guys think? The big thing is if any 3rd party apps take full advantage of the G4's hardware? If so, what are some feature packed camera apps?

ProShot for me. Little slow to focus but with ISO 50 and NR off the daylight shots are just amazing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riseupgames.proshot2
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Has it some filters to preview a shot before take it? that's the only thing I miss from the stock camera, the ability to use filters before taking pictures, because sometimes don't have time or mood to postprocess. Thanks!

RocketFoot said:
Has anyone tried any replacement camera apps for the LGG4? Don't get me wrong, I like the stock camera but I do think it lacks a little in features (in auto mode). I tried 'Open Camera' and I really like the extra features but It only has 4x zoom instead of the 8x the stock camera handles. I also don't know if any 3rd party camera apps take full advantage of the G4's laser focus and color spectrum analyzer? Another feature that I like in 'Open Camera' is the ability to select scenes such as back light, indoors, macro and candle light. I know the G4 stock app has automatic scene selection but I like a little more control.
So what do you guys think? The big thing is if any 3rd party apps take full advantage of the G4's hardware? If so, what are some feature packed camera apps?
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I woulden't be over concerned by the low zoom capabilities of Open camera. Zoom only degrades the quality and sharpness of the picture anyway... If you really have to use it, i woulden't recommend you go beyond 4x. Other thing, no 3rd party camera app can fully utilize all of the G4's features and capabilities. It's simply not possible, as of yet anyway. So, my advice to you and everyone else is, use the default camera app as it is quite powerfull if you know how to manage the manual settings .
Here is a link that explains in detail the manual mode:
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Dude, stock app is best. Learn how to use manual.

NocturnalDroid said:
Dude, stock app is best. Learn how to use manual.
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I can use the manual camera ok but only for planed shots...takes too much time to catch random shots! Feature rich auto mode is what I am wishing for!

RocketFoot said:
I can use the manual camera ok but only for planed shots...takes too much time to catch random shots! Feature rich auto mode is what I am wishing for!
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Hm yes, good point. Lol. I used camera360 once, that was good.

Try AZ Camera, NR is a lot better than stock and manual control is still possible.

t68kv said:
Try AZ Camera, NR is a lot better than stock and manual control is still possible.
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Anyone seen a camera app that has a fancy animated facial recognition reticle like the Galaxy Edge Plus/Note 5's have? It actually moves across the screen and targets a detected face in the scene. I know that it is completely gingerbread, but it would be a pretty cool feature!

wayne_sk said:
ProShot for me. Little slow to focus but with ISO 50 and NR off the daylight shots are just amazing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riseupgames.proshot2
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Found that there's a free demo for this at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riseupgames.proshot_free
Which is nice to try it out. Very restrictive demo, allowing only 2 full res shots. I'm keen to try out the low ISO with the NR off you mention (as I've yet to see a photo at this handset level beat the G4 in a decent lit outdoor shot), but my handset went hot as hell whilst running the demo, possibly showing its using all the available processer power but a bit unsettling for potential longer usage.
:edit: unistalled and let handset cool down. Reinstalled and handset ran uncomfortably hot again. Shame, but thanks for the recommendation.

Hi, just got an LG G4 today and tried a few camera apps. Stock is great and since it has a manual raw mode, no need for 3rd party apps imho.
ProShot is nice and does show a low res preview of dngs in its viewer (useful to send them to PS Express for instance); BUT I have noticed that it does only goes to 0,6s in manual exposure (while stock goes to 30s). So for (ocasional) dng viewing I will use Slingshot Portfolio and for the processing, PS Express, much friendlier than Photomate (which yields slightly sharper pics, but with much worse color balance...)
Snap HDR Camera has an interesting low light mode that merges multiple exposures to increase detail / lower noise, BUT then again you can use manual long exposures in the stock app, which in dark conditions will give better results.
For panos I prefer Google's camera interface and options .
Anyway, those are my quick impressions.

You made my day! Thank you!
This one (especially ability to switch off NR) gives me the best from the G4
Tweaking sharpness and NR should be native and available in Stock camera app in manual mode
Shame on you LG!
wayne_sk said:
ProShot for me. Little slow to focus but with ISO 50 and NR off the daylight shots are just amazing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riseupgames.proshot2
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dawabz94 said:
You made my day! Thank you!
This one (especially ability to switch off NR) gives me the best from the G4
Tweaking sharpness and NR should be native and available in Stock camera app in manual mode
Shame on you LG!
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Well, just tried, and ProShot's no NR setting is amazing! Thanks

Kemby13 said:
no 3rd party camera app can fully utilize all of the G4's features and capabilities.
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hey Kemby13,
what exactly do you think can proshot or camera fv-5 or other camera apps not utilize from the hardware?
I'm considering buying the LG G4 but have similar thoughts as the thread starter. I'm comfortable with manual modes on cameras and shoot/edit raw with my DSLR but I'm looking for more or better auto modes than the stock camera app can offer. Also lots of reviews show that the auto mode of the G4 is not as good as images taken in auto mode with other smartphones (I'm not speaking of what the LG camera is capable of once it is used in manual mode). I thought that maybe other apps give better images in auto modes than the stock app (plus more options/scene modes). I often find myself in situations where I don't have the time to setup in manual mode but would like to tell the app to at least use a fast shutter speed (sports mode) etc.
my second concern is because I love custom roms. and even though there are hardly any out there for the G4 I'd still try the few available ones and would need a good camera app. Proshot etc will work on any rom (yes, the shutter speed is reduced to max. 0,7).
But what else would I be losing?
To the thread starter: have you reached a solution? I'd be very curious to know.
Thx and greetz,
vercetti.

Proshot doesn't have HDR that I can find. I don't recall if Camera FV-5 does but I prefer the custom modes of Proshot to FV-5.

I would settle for an app that can take pictures using flash in half the time that mine currently does.

I am waiting for Almalence's Better Camera to support camera api2 on the LG G4, so we can test its SUPER mode on our phone, similar to Google Camera's HDR+. I wonder how it would compare to LG's own Night mode.
According to the developper, it's planned and in alpha stage.

Did you guys find any app that can get to 30" shutter speed? It seems like I can only get that with the stock app.
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hi there, updates on this? i think proshot now is optimized to lg g4. anyone confirm?

How about now? Still no updates?

Camera blurring/anti-aliasing issue?

Something doesn't quite seem right with the camera quality. I've toggled between both lenses and suspect it could be the included camera app. I've briefly tested with Camera ZOOM FX Premium and yield grainier results. I just installed cstark27's Google Camera and will give that a go, but I wanted to see if my results are typical or if my particular device is flawed. Perhaps needless to say: the included photo has no filter. HDR was enabled, however. This is with stock app.

Hiyoto said:
Perhaps needless to say: the included photo has no filter. HDR was enabled, however. This is with stock app.
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You should disable HDR in the first place for indoor footage. In camera ZOOM FX Premium HDR is disabled, what makes you to enable HDR in stock one?

It worked really well with the HTC 10.

Hiyoto said:
It worked really well with the HTC 10.
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So? Then take app of HTC camera and install it on G7, it'd probably work well too

I can try it, but considering core apps moved to another device tend to need to be modified to function properly (example being GCam), this strikes me as poor advice.
I'm more concerned over why the included app seems to be applying some kind of beautifying filter that makes it lose finer details.

Evidence of attempt.

Core is very limited in how it can be configured.

Hiyoto said:
Core is very limited in how it can be configured.
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You have HDR set to Auto. This causes applying some kind of beautifying filter that makes it lose finer details. Turn it off

Question How well does mcpro24fps work ?

Hi, I'm thinking of getting a pixel 6 / 6 pro, but first I'd like to know what kind of video I can get from it.
Has anyone tested mcpro24fps ? What are the maximum resolutions available ? The maximum bitrate ?
Are the aux cameras available and working ? (It seems like the ultra wide isn't very wide or very good, but at least the main and zoom lenses ?)

For anyone who is curious, this is an $18 app mcpro24fps - professional manual video camera app.

roirraW edor ehT said:
For anyone who is curious, this is an $18 app mcpro24fps - professional manual video camera app.
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It's also available for free if you download it through the developper's telegram discussion - but it's in russian. I learned where the main buttons are through screenshots and google lens translation, and it works well enough for me.
Not sure I'm allowed to post the link to the telegram here, but if I am I will !

i've dabbled with this app and filmic on previous devices and been left a bit frustrated. it all depends on your usual way of working. for a start you lose all gyro stabilization, which for me is a deal breaker. also with regards the pixel 6, my guess would be that you will also lose it's hdr.net video capabilities, which is an incredible feature.
on my p6p the default white balance for video (but not stills) is a little warm. i've found that if you tweak the white balance slider down just a tiny bit, the footage looks really amazing. if you also hop onto the MWP mod of the camera, you can bump the bitrate up to 100, vs the 69 of stock. using this mod you can control most aspects of the stills, saturation sharpness noise control hdr etc. i've yet to experiment whether those also apply to video.

whatsisnametake2 said:
i've dabbled with this app and filmic on previous devices and been left a bit frustrated. it all depends on your usual way of working. for a start you lose all gyro stabilization, which for me is a deal breaker. also with regards the pixel 6, my guess would be that you will also lose it's hdr.net video capabilities, which is an incredible feature.
on my p6p the default white balance for video (but not stills) is a little warm. i've found that if you tweak the white balance slider down just a tiny bit, the footage looks really amazing. if you also hop onto the MWP mod of the camera, you can bump the bitrate up to 100, vs the 69 of stock. using this mod you can control most aspects of the stills, saturation sharpness noise control hdr etc. i've yet to exp
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PocoSteve said:
It's also available for free if you download it through the developper's telegram discussion - but it's in russian. I learned where the main buttons are through screenshots and google lens translation, and it works well enough for me.
Not sure I'm allowed to post the link to the telegram here, but if I am I will !
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Can i get the free link please? Thanks

joetarney said:
Can i get the free link please? Thanks
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Yes, of course :
mcpro24fps
Official mcpro24fps channel (Android™ only) Купить в РФ Huawei AppGallery: https://bit.ly/mcpro24fpshua English chat: https://t.me/mcpro24fps_en Русский чат: https://t.me/mcpro24fps_ru Youtube: https://youtube.com/mcpro24fps Карта Мир: 2204120102886906
t.me
Although as I already said, that version is only in Russian. What I usually do is take a screenshot, open it in google photos, tap the google lens icon and select "translate". So I can only read a few buttons at a time.
Also you will need to download and install any future updates by yourself.
If you've never used the app, basically tap the camera icon at the bottom of the screen, select one of the two top menus (with or without gpu, it determines wether the video feed will be encoded by the gpu or isp) then select 60 fps, and finally the highest resolution available.
Then a bit further down one of the options is a value in megabytes, that's the bitrate, push it as far as possible (before the selection turns red)
You can also check out the aux sensors by taping the button at the top-left corner.

So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized? If "saturation sharpness noise control" are of interest, wouldn't it be wiser to just shoot in RAW and then edit later on, ensuring that the "base" product is of higher quality?

Morgrain said:
So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized?
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The base idea of the app is that it gives you acess to the rawest output from the sensor. It supports better resolutions than the stock camera, in much higher bitrate. In theory, it also supports denoise and both ois and eis.
I made this post to check if all of these do actually work on the pixel 6 pro (including on the aux lenses) and what resolutions and fps combos are supported.

Morgrain said:
So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized? If "saturation sharpness noise control" are of interest, wouldn't it be wiser to just shoot in RAW and then edit later on, ensuring that the "base" product is of higher quality?
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The only thing it might not have is hdr.net, and even that might be exposed as a video output from the camera api, so even that might be a possibility, just with a higher bitrate than what the stock app supports.
EDIT : The video feed isn't downgraded in any way, stabilization is supported, and it supplants gcam processing which isn't really good at video anyway (except maybe hdr.net, but we'll see).

Question alternative "real" camaras software with full access?

So I basically read everywhere the phones camera app is even worse than what you get on other phones (hardware is still great though).
What alternatives are there, and do they have full hardware access and raw export for all cameras without compromising on image quality?
So what a basic photo app should do (I can't believe that I have to ask for something basic like this) is that I want to set a shutter speed it supposed to use. Camera app should do the exposure and adjust ISO and aperture (if there).
Then 2nd important thing (usually first but hey, google lowered the low standards even more), settings should be saved, if I get my cam out of the pocket again I don't want to dial in the settings again. Just remember it like every real camera does.
3rd is a dreamland level of feature (also normal on real cameras): setting a base shutter speed to freeze action have the camera compensate with ISO and aperture till it reaches the upper limit and raising the shutter speed at the lower limit so I don't get overexposure but always have a fast shutterspeed to freeze movement.
So are there apps out there that do this and do they get full sensor access?

It's actually more complicated than just "hardware is great, software is crap". A lot of the technology that makes Pixels one of the best point and shoot cameras on smartphones, is actually in the google camera app (utilizing the Camera2 API). Google has recently developed a new CameraX API. Its first release was about a week ago and has a long way to go.
Unfortunately, Google has removed some of the manual settings over the years, and has moved towards intelligent processing techniques that are done automatically. For example, manual HDR modes have been removed in favor of the auto-processing used in the app.
Unless somebody develops a new app, utilizing the CameraX library extensions, you won't be finding these things you've asked for. Pixels don't have a manual mode like other phones (such has Samsung for example).
There is a new camera app that the devs behind GraphenOS have created, using the new CameraX API. Someone posted information about it recently. There's also a modified gcam mod specifically for Pixels, made by team MWP. It has some features such ISO, focus and exposure sliders (the non-beta version has more features so download that version).
The official google camera app shoots in RAW format. OpenCamera (by Mark Harman) is also a favorite for many enthusiasts. Last week a user forked it to add a few options for the Pixel 6.
So you have 3 or 4 options listed above, plus the different camera apps on the play store (such as Procam X and Manual Camera). But over the years, it seems that the official google camera app, results in the best quality (but we can now include the MWP gcam mod since it has been modified with most recent google camera versions and works with the Pixel 6/6Pro without any bugs).

Alekos said:
Unfortunately, Google has removed some of the manual settings over the years, and has moved towards intelligent processing techniques that are done automatically. For example, manual HDR modes have been removed in favor of the auto-processing used in the app.
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An alarming trend, smartphone camera software has never been the most useful and not its getting even worse.
No amount of AI magic is going to recognize that a now still standing person is going to do something fast the next second that I would like to capture with a shutter speed of 1/1000. Also not going to anticipate the cat jumping and me wanting to get that unblurred.
I don't care about AI processing, photo editing has nothing to do with a camera software in my opinion and should happen after the shot was taken and not during. I'm old, I do my own edits. But I would like to have the full quality sensor readout in a DNG file and no compromises on image quality.

nurps said:
An alarming trend, smartphone cameras have never been the most useful and not its getting even worse.
No amount of AI magic is going to recognize that a now still standing person is going to do something fast the next second that I would like to capture with a shutter speed of 1/1000. Also not going to anticipate the cat jumping and me wanting to get that unblurred.
I don't care about AI processing, photo editing has nothing to do with a camera software in my opinion and should happen after the shot was taken and not during. I'm old, I do my own edits. But I would like to have the full quality sensor readout in a DNG file and no compromises on image quality.
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Similar as you, I am 65 and shooting with Canon DSLR for longer than I can remember, I always want to control everything myself. I am now shooting with an app called "ProShot" on the P6P which you can get for I think $5 from the Play Store. It almost worked like a DSLR or mirrorless. I don't care about the AI, I shoot in raw and edit all the photos in Photoshop after moving them to my computer. I think you can download it as a free trial before you made a decision.

Have you noticed any quality differences between stock and ProShot raws on any of the 3 cameras? I remember ProShot from my S8 days.

nurps said:
Have you noticed any quality differences between stock and ProShot raws on any of the 3 cameras? I remember ProShot from my S8 days.
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For raws, I don't see any difference. Jpeg is different story due to Google's AI. Anyway, download it and give a try and see the results if they are your liking.

I'm still on the level what phone to buy for best camera experience, so I don't own it yet.

nurps said:
I'm still on the level what phone to buy for best camera experience, so I don't own it yet.
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I see! If just based camera hardware, you have a lot choices, Xiaomi, Samsung perhaps better than the pixel. I don't shoot with phone that much. I came from Samsung Galaxy 21 Ultra to the P6P, it is because I need to root the phone to enable I can use call recorder.

IP68 is must, Samsung S22U raws look really awful though, not much detail there, oversharpeing artifacts at raw level.

Wedding photographer here and personally i find it a breath of fresh air to just point and shoot and get something without resorting to raw and messing about in an editing package, swings and roundabouts i guess.
On a side note the aperture of the lenses on a smartphone are that wide you tend to get really fast shutter speeds anyway even with pretty mediocre light, i took a photo the other day, it was a bright'ish day with about 50% cloud and the shutter speed was 1/5814 at f2.2 using the wide angle lens.

nurps said:
Have you noticed any quality differences between stock and ProShot raws on any of the 3 cameras? I remember ProShot from my S8 days.
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I use exclusively ProShot when shooting RAW. RAW files from the Google camera app miss information. That's why the size of its DNG files are smaller (about half) and vary from shot to shot. With RAW this should not be the case. However, ProShot only supports RAW for the default back lens like any other 3rd party app I am aware of. I hope that Google enables 3rd party access to the other 2 back lenses for RAW in the future.
In fact, my default app is now ProShot. The dev is very responsive and addressed several issues I brought up with him.

Thing is If you are going to shoot raw and disown the Google camera app then there is not much point in owning a pixel really. The whole point of a Pixel from a photography point of view is Googles computational photography, without that the camera hardware is pretty average and surpassed by a number of other phone manufacturers.

stbxxl said:
I use exclusively ProShot when shooting RAW. RAW files from the Google camera app miss information. That's why the size of its DNG files are smaller (about half) and vary from shot to shot. With RAW this should not be the case. However, ProShot only supports RAW for the default back lens like any other 3rd party app I am aware of. I hope that Google enables 3rd party access to the other 2 back lenses for RAW in the future.
In fact, my default app is now ProShot. The dev is very responsive and addressed several issues I brought up with him.
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Shooting Raw on Google's camera app is giving you compressed raw files, which when compared to uncompressed raw there's virtually no difference. Unless you mess up the exposure by like 5 stops, you ain't gaining anything more by shooting Raw with a seperate app.... especially on a phone.

Bwyan Benton said:
Shooting Raw on Google's camera app is giving you compressed raw files, which when compared to uncompressed raw there's virtually no difference. Unless you mess up the exposure by like 5 stops, you ain't gaining anything more by shooting Raw with a seperate app.... especially on a phone.
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I have found that the DNG files produced with Google's camera app are missing certain metadata. For example GPS location etc. The DNG file from ProShot has this info. While this is not important to everybody, it is important to me.
Additionally I prefer using ProShot since it has more manual controls, offers a histogram and allows setting separate exposure and focus points. Even when "only" shooting in JPG I find the pictures more pleasing than the ones from Google's camera app which tend to be over processed to some extend as far as I am concerned.

stbxxl said:
I have found that the DNG files produced with Google's camera app are missing certain metadata. For example GPS location etc. The DNG file from ProShot has this info. While this is not important to everybody, it is important to me.
Additionally I prefer using ProShot since it has more manual controls, offers a histogram and allows setting separate exposure and focus points. Even when "only" shooting in JPG I find the pictures more pleasing than the ones from Google's camera app which tend to be over processed to some extend as far as I am concerned.
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When I take photos with my 6 pro and edit the RAW files in Lightroom, my GPS location is still attached after I export the image. Perhaps you should check the settings in Lightroom (if that's what you use) when exporting the photo and see if it's off. I believe by default it is off. I used proshot a lot back in the day, but now I find it totally incomparable to google camera, not to mention buggy AF. But to each their own.

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When I take photos with my 6 pro and edit the RAW files in Lightroom, my GPS location is still attached after I export the image. Perhaps you should check the settings in Lightroom (if that's what you use) when exporting the photo and see if it's off. I believe by default it is off. I used proshot a lot back in the day, but now I find it totally incomparable to google camera, not to mention buggy AF. But to each their own.
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In my experience, the GPS location is only embedded in the JPG file that comes with the DNG file when using Google's camera app. I checked with several programs including ACDSee Ultimate (I switched from Lightroom years ago because of its better editing tools and no annual subscription). Btw, Google Photos also doesn't show the location of the DNG file but does for the JPG file.

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In my experience, the GPS location is only embedded in the JPG file that comes with the DNG file when using Google's camera app. I checked with several programs including ACDSee Ultimate (I switched from Lightroom years ago because of its better editing tools and no annual subscription). Btw, Google Photos also doesn't show the location of the DNG file but does for the JPG file.
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Interesting, I'm looking at photos I took just yesterday, dngs and they have the location info attached in Google photos. As well as photos I took a few days ago.

Bwyan Benton said:
Interesting, I'm looking at photos I took just yesterday, dngs and they have the location info attached in Google photos. As well as photos I took a few days ago.
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Interesting indeed. I don't know what's different with my 6 Pro. I have never gotten location info for DNG files. When I use the 19 mm lens for RAW photos (not supported by 3rd party apps) I also copy the JPG file into ACDSee Ultimate and copy and paste its metadata into the DNG file. Not a big deal, but why is this necessary (at least for my setup)?

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Interesting indeed. I don't know what's different with my 6 Pro. I have never gotten location info for DNG files. When I use the 19 mm lens for RAW photos (not supported by 3rd party apps) I also copy the JPG file into ACDSee Ultimate and copy and paste its metadata into the DNG file. Not a big deal, but why is this necessary (at least for my setup)?
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I just went back to the beginning of Feb looking through photos, not all of them were dngs, but I know which ones were, and they all have my location info attached. I like to have that as well as you, so know you have me double checking and making sure lol. But for me it's all there.

I've always used the google camera app when I'm in a hurry. Otherwise, I use
Camera FV-5