Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
Exino said:
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
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Internal NAND is usually orders of magnitude faster. Also, it is less complicated to deal with when you dont have to play the "Which Partition To Use Today" game.
Its not worth getting anything over 16gb as long as you can expand with micro sd. If no external storage is available, that's the only reason to get a 32 or 64 variant.
Plus, that extra storage is WAY over priced. A 32gb micro sd card can be as low as 20 bucks if you shop around. A 64gb can be had for about 50 bucks, so paying an extra 150 for the 64 over the 16 is robbery.
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Eun-Hjzjined said:
Its not worth getting anything over 16gb as long as you can expand with micro sd. If no external storage is available, that's the only reason to get a 32 or 64 variant.
Plus, that extra storage is WAY over priced. A 32gb micro sd card can be as low as 20 bucks if you shop around. A 64gb can be had for about 50 bucks, so paying an extra 150 for the 64 over the 16 is robbery.
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Internal NAND will be faster, bar none, than any SD card on the market. Class 10 or not. Its not a rip off, and it very well could mean the difference between slow loading apps (if they reside on the SD card) and a lagless experience. Just letting you know.
If all you plan to store is media, then by all means go for the minimum and augment with an SD card, but it it NOT robbery to be given far faster storage. It is like the difference between an IDE drive and SATA. No comparison or contest when it comes to board-mounted NAND.
I appreciate all the responses so far. I'm thinking I might just get the 32 GB middle-ground in this case (which is what I did when I bought my to-be-replaced iPhone 4), and it's served me well enough. If the difference between 32 GB and 64 GB ends up being $50.00 I'll likely just pick up the larger one as, at least in Canada, it's a 3-year phone term, so, I might as well add as much life to it as I can up front.
I definitely agree with the NAND vs MSDHC performance. The reason I only question it is that I am, of course, thinking of only doing a media dump on the device. Now, I also plan on loading in direct Blu-ray to 720p files, so, I'm not sure of the performance marker there of pulling 720p content from a MSDHC to the device would be, but I can only imagine my performance would be better realised if I was pulling it direct off the NAND.
I guess it'll come down to price, more than anything. I am not heavy into doing large-media storage, so, I doubt there will be much going on where I really need to hit 128 GB of space, but, you know, having the option is nice, especially when travelling around. At least Samsung didn't decide to get foolish and only offer the internal NAND as options, MSDHC is definitely a very nice feature in a device that's intended to bridge the smartphone and tablet market.
...it will also come down to what AT&T offers!!!!
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Exino said:
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
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It's the same game that has been around for decades now regarding storage space and price. The price per unit of storage is always going down and your usage of said storage is always going up. One day you will be wondering how you lived with anything less than an Exabyte of space and laugh at those who paid $100 per terabyte. There are only relative usage profiles for the space and everyone's budget is also relative. For me, I will be rocking the 64GB variant with a 64GB micro SD card and claim 128GB in 2012... but you sir will have the last laugh at my expense
16gb internal with micro sd is better, so all game data will go to internal sd, while all your important file(pics,mp3,vids etc) in your micro sd(whatever size it is) much safer if something wrong happen to internal sd
32gb way to much, better having a large micro sd than internal sd
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If its anything like the S3 you wont be able to move apps to a sd card.
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If its anything like the S3 you wont be able to move apps to a sd card.
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16gb wont enough?
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robyr said:
Internal NAND will be faster, bar none, than any SD card on the market. Class 10 or not. Its not a rip off, and it very well could mean the difference between slow loading apps (if they reside on the SD card) and a lagless experience. Just letting you know.
If all you plan to store is media, then by all means go for the minimum and augment with an SD card, but it it NOT robbery to be given far faster storage. It is like the difference between an IDE drive and SATA. No comparison or contest when it comes to board-mounted NAND.
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Sweeping comment, TROLLING?? I have seen many Micro SD cards from Sandisk reaching upto 100MBps despite being marketed as Class 10. This is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE comment as there is no holy grail engraved in your beloved "NAND" Flash. Its just a type of flash and doesn't dictate in terms of performance unless Samsung's hardware can not utilize the higher speed Micro SD cards.
One major benefit of having 64GB onboard would be Micro SD card will become more redundant if you live with that space for years. Also, you would have an opportunity to have upto 124GB or so when using 64GB Micro SD cards (I am optimistic though that these new phones may support even higher capacity 128GB or so MSD cards may be after some software tweaks by some of our dev gurus here).
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16gb wont enough?
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Not for me. I ran out of storage already.
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Prankey said:
Its just a type of flash and doesn't dictate in terms of performance unless Samsung's hardware can not utilize the higher speed Micro SD cards.
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All card readers/writers have their throughput limits.
How fast the note 2's is is yet to be determined.
Has anyone determined the max write /read speed of the note 1?
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Hi guys...
If i buy the 128gb model have Samsung finally allowed the use of an SD card as adoptable storage yet?
If not is their a hack to enable this for this phone?
thanks in advance
nk33 said:
Hi guys...
If i buy the 128gb model have Samsung finally allowed the use of an SD card as adoptable storage yet?
If not is their a hack to enable this for this phone?
thanks in advance
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As far as I know adoptable storage was never fully implemented by Android. From what I understand the speed of the SD card is way slower then the internal storage so if you merge then together you end up with a weakest leak situation. Samsung's inclusion of adoptable storage is what made TouchWiz so darn laggy. For now it's still actually there but case by case. If you go to different app settings some will give you the option to move it to the SD card. And it's always be that way. Nothing new.
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As far as I know adoptable storage was never fully implemented by Android. From what I understand the speed of the SD card is way slower then the internal storage so if you merge then together you end up with a weakest leak situation. Samsung's inclusion of adoptable storage is what made TouchWiz so darn laggy. For now it's still actually there but case by case. If you go to different app settings some will give you the option to move it to the SD card. And it's always be that way. Nothing new.
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I am pretty sure adoptable storage on Android is a standard thing - since Android M.....its just Samsung that refused to implement it.
I do understand why they dont implement it - that's because if people use it the phone will lag and slow down sometimes when using apps whos data is stored on there - and samsung are worried they will get support calls regarding this and also it may reflect badly on the phone itself...
I currently own a razer phone 2 (RP1 previous to that), and previous to that all Samsung. The RP1 and 2 both support adoptable storage and as long as you purchase a high-speed sd card (not the standard ones) then adoptable storage works well
I want to buy the 512gb Ultra but they are out of stock everywher in the UK - so i thought an option would be to buy the 128gb as long as it supprts adoptable storage so i can "turn it into" a larger device storage
I know this an older thread, but with the speed of cards, I don't understand why an alternative to adoptable storage hasn't been developed. I had the Razer phone 2 with a Samsung EVO U10 512GB card and the phone was not noticbly slower in everyday tasks, but did slow when loading games and such. I still loved it, however, I think it was ditched by Samsung because people don't understand that once the card is adopted, removing it with the device on, renders all data on th card as corrupt, even upon reinsertion. Sometimes it's reclaim the card other times it wouldn't. Samsung tech support would be inundated with calls related to it so it was disabled. With the files sizes ballooning, 256GB should be the smallest storage available on a a premium phone and with the advances in storage, why isn't the OS determining what can and cannot go onto the SD card automatically?
I currently use APP2SD and while it moves the apps, I don't seem to be gaining that space back on the internal storage. Weird.
While not a strictly apples-to-apples comparison, I find fbind more flexible and largely superior to adoptable storage.
i will just wait until terabyte nand-flash ufs will be standard in even the cheapest smartphones. apps like firefox, aliexpress, amazon, google itself generate so much data it's horrible. i have to clear the data once every week. when you watch a movie with firefox for android and the movie is 1000 mb big, guess how much nand-flash will be used? you guessed correctly 1024 mb!
Adoptable storage is awesome - it works really well on all but Samsung.
Isnt there some way of using the external storage -
Its ridiculous that they build a tablet that has only 3GB storage free with a memory expansion slot that can hold memory but cannot be used by the system.
This device was a gift - will NEVER buy Samsung.
Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
I believe the best card you can put in is microSDXC, the UFS is likely purely the internal memory as UFS isn't compatible with the MicroSD formats so making the slot take UFS would of likely made getting expansion cards harder and potentially more expensive.
so the Note 10+ won't recognise the card as the pin locations on the cards are totally different, so the card is likely just not making any contact inside the phone so likely acting as if you just put a blank in.
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Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
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When I first heard about that standard I was fascinated. Samsung invented that storage standard and they are MUCH faster than the SD card standard. It could be that what it would cost to make that a standard used by other device manufacturers unfortunately I believe is a hurdle too large for Samsung to overcome. I believe that is the only reason why Samsung does not bother. However, if they offered phones that could handle the UFS cards, and also offered the UFS cards - (and this is key) - and then licensed the technology to other manufacturers - I believe they would sell so many that it would become a standard that might take a while but would most likely eclipse the old SD standard. Maybe there is some kind of design flaw that Samsung is not explaining to people that makes it more expensive to be able to utilize the UFS standard? Thoughts?
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Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
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Just adding to the conversation, got me curious...
Checked Samsung's site, seems the UFS Cards are only compatible with certain models of Samsung's laptop PCs.
For those who are interested, see specs in the link below for compatible device model numbers (same link as in the OP) :
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/memory-cards/mb-fa256g-am-mb-fa256g-am/
2 years since UFS card was released, only 26 devices support it...way to go Samsung..
it's the case with most storage devices, you go with a standard connection or you struggle to get others to pick it up. had Samsung started making this standard in their phones it likely would have seen a larger outcry than the removal of the SD slot as it would force those who use them to buy new cards as it has no cross compatibility with SD.
had they found a way to do this expanding the SD technology it would have became far more common but on a new format it will take a long long time to get traction and is more likely to be put in devices that can have multiple storage connectors, as it allows them to give legacy support with support for the new.
then there is getting third party support iif it is something that needs to be licensed from Samsung for every device it goes in, as it will just add production costs to devices.
it's the same if you look at M2 hard drives in PC's, PCIe drives have been around for years the M2 connector has been about a fair while now, but it still has relatively little traction in hardware and that is built on a standard system that has been in computers for years, for a closed system built from the ground up it is going to take a long long time to get any traction if it ever can demand the market share. while Samsung is massive in the memory market the internal support is way more likely than any use for adin cards with how large base storage is getting in some devices. the memory cards now are used for little more than audio/video/picture storage so speed isn't really as important as if you are editing you have a large high speed storage you can utilize first and really if you are outside that storage space you are going to want more power than a phone for the editing.
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Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
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What brand of card?
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2 years since UFS card was released, only 26 devices support it...way to go Samsung..
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The Note 10/10+/10+ 5G supports UFS 3.0 for internal storage, not for microSD storage.
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Belimawr said:
it's the case with most storage devices, you go with a standard connection or you struggle to get others to pick it up. had Samsung started making this standard in their phones it likely would have seen a larger outcry than the removal of the SD slot as it would force those who use them to buy new cards as it has no cross compatibility with SD.
had they found a way to do this expanding the SD technology it would have became far more common but on a new format it will take a long long time to get traction and is more likely to be put in devices that can have multiple storage connectors, as it allows them to give legacy support with support for the new.
then there is getting third party support iif it is something that needs to be licensed from Samsung for every device it goes in, as it will just add production costs to devices.
it's the same if you look at M2 hard drives in PC's, PCIe drives have been around for years the M2 connector has been about a fair while now, but it still has relatively little traction in hardware and that is built on a standard system that has been in computers for years, for a closed system built from the ground up it is going to take a long long time to get any traction if it ever can demand the market share. while Samsung is massive in the memory market the internal support is way more likely than any use for adin cards with how large base storage is getting in some devices. the memory cards now are used for little more than audio/video/picture storage so speed isn't really as important as if you are editing you have a large high speed storage you can utilize first and really if you are outside that storage space you are going to want more power than a phone for the editing.
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Why does the card need to be physically compatible? As far as i can tell the rough dimensions of the cards are close enough they could make a dual purpose slot, face the card down for micro sd face up for ufs, max they would need to supply a second sim/storage tray in the box, but that doesn't seem to be a huge hurdle
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What brand of card?
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The Note 10/10+/10+ 5G supports UFS 3.0 for internal storage, not for microSD storage.
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If my memory serves me correctly you are right.
The 10+ nonetheless writes/reads to a fast card very fast. The weak link is transfering large files via USB or cloud not between internal memory/SD card.
A V60 rated one might do better but I'm having zero issues with a Lexar rated at V30. To have a fast handheld PC with close to a 1 tb of memory is unbelievable.
Best of all you can use the SD card as a data drive.
Yeah I got a hard on over this:laugh:
Complete OS reloads/data restores can be done with no PC or internet needed. The 200+ gb music library Poweramp uses is on the SD card. Poweramp restored its playlist from this new data base in less than a minute, and plays them flawlessly.
Get a name card with a good reputation as reliability as well as speed is what you're paying for.
A .5tb V30 Lexar can be had for around $80 now.
Format in phone; good to go.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/accessories/memory-upgrade-time-t4155549
Hello,
I wonder what version to buy - 128 or 256 GB, more is better, I know, but budget is not flexible ;-)
Is 128GB ok if I am going to get about 2 hours of 4K movie?
Will filling the storage with data make the phone slow?
Greetings!
Neither. 128gb isn't much space. 256 isn't either especially with no expandable storage.
Leaves no room for growth.
Not having a SD card slot is a major liability and wastes your time, battery and makes reloading much slower and difficult.
Thanks for the answer and for your time, although it is quite possible that this was a bit of a wasted time as there are no references to the questions of my post. But perhaps my question has not been very precise. Well, my point is that someone who has the phone model mentioned in the topic, wrote how much really free memory is available for data storage (because the system usually takes part of the pool).
The second question concerned the requirements of 4K movies, theoretically it is 70 Mbps, i.e. about 30 GB per hour of movie, which theoretically gives over 3 hours of recording on this phone (depends on the answer of previous question). It's even too much for me, especially since you can rip everything to the cloud at the end of the day. Nevertheless, the opinion of a practitioner would be very valuable to me.
Regards!
You'll suck up 128gb before you know it not including 4k recordings. With a relatively light load I'm using at least 60gb* of internal on my N10+. The lowest I would go is 256gb. That's not all that much.
Something with a SD card slot would work better. A V30 rated card can stream 4k vids.
*critical data, media, docs aren't on internal memory; the 60gb initially is just apps, DCIM and download folders. It quickly increases in size from there though.
Well... N10+ is not I am asking about...
Please, anybody with S22 kindly to check?
If anything scoped storage based apps will require more memory than my non scoped storage ones. You will be running mandatory scoped storage. I run Android 9 and 10, no scoped storage. So there's that.
128gb be cutting it tight... you want to have at least 20gb free at all times. Otherwise you'll end up playing stupid games.