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Hi guys,
Explantion first.
I've Been messing with the settings in the camera to try and get a good picture, the preview looks good then the image is captured and displayed and it looks arse to be honest.
So this got me thinking we have a 5MP sensor good preview image it must be the jpg compression in the software which has reduced the quality.
We have no flash so we need all the help we can get and RAW will allow us to change the exposure and white balance.
So I am looking for a piece of software that will take the sensor info and save it as a RAW image. I had one for my N95 and it improved the camera quality no end. If not I may have to get Visual studio out and get coding
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Hi guys,
Explantion first.
I've Been messing with the settings in the camera to try and get a good picture, the preview looks good then the image is captured and displayed and it looks arse to be honest.
So this got me thinking we have a 5MP sensor good preview image it must be the jpg compression in the software which has reduced the quality.
We have no flash so we need all the help we can get and RAW will allow us to change the exposure and white balance.
So I am looking for a piece of software that will take the sensor info and save it as a RAW image. I had one for my N95 and it improved the camera quality no end. If not I may have to get Visual studio out and get coding
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That would be interesting but witch camera raw do you want to use? Because there are different camera raw formats like canon or nikon who have their own raw formats.
DNG tends to be a popular one which is digital negative but any RAW filetype would be a good starting point I think. Generally they are all the same and just dump the 5mp image as a full capture
This is a real good idea. And I think it is feasible, unfortunately we need someone skilled in prograamming to take a look at the code ( I assume the Camera.exe file) and somehow stop the image from being processed and just save to file.
Many times the frustration with HTC made me wish I studied computer science ( my initial plan ) instead of a biological major.
Is it worth it? I mean if one has the option why not but really is it worth it?
I think it is, yes. To be honest the camera app is the weakest point of the HD. The hardware is sufficient, but let down badly by the software.
I wonder if HTC have had enough comments and complaints to make them re-write it from the ground up?
I know it was possible on the N95, but the output in RAW mode was rubbish so was hardly worth it. I do agree though that the HDs camera could be better and its most likely a software issue
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I know it was possible on the N95, but the output in RAW mode was rubbish so was hardly worth it. I do agree though that the HDs camera could be better and its most likely a software issue
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The main advantage of RAW data is when you come to using editing software... there is just more data to play with.
True, i know the output from the N95s RAW app was only 640x480 though, whether thats a limitation of the N95s other hardware systems i dont know.
Is there any, app, mod or something else that could allow us to take RAW pictures with desire? Is something like that even possible?
I do not think this is possible because a) the Desire can't achieve the throughput required to store the giant files RAW produces and so storing the files would take a while and b) RAW comes directly from the camera sensor and contains specific information about each pixel and I'm guessing HTC didn't put a (semi-)professional sensor in the phone.
What is possible though is converting pictures from JPEG to RAW but that defeats the purpose of RAW entirely. And also why would you need RAW on a phone? While phone cameras may have relatively alot of megaschitzels, it doesn't mean they produce good quality pictures. They also require decent lenses which (almost?) all phones lack. The megapixel race is senseless nowadays as the quality is currently defined by the quality of the lens. But hey, consumers (and usually prosumers too) buy into that nonsense because higher is always better, right?
Buy a camera if you need RAW, and use your phone for quick snaps for Twitter or Facebook.
Sorry -- rant from a photographer.
That's it, man..
I'm using my canon EOS for "real" photos and my desire for facebook snapshots.
A phone is not a camera.
But let the MediaMarkt-Megaschnitzeljadt go on... ;-)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
I would say that it is certainly possible for the desire to store RAW images given the right software and hardware permissions. All RAW is, is a dump of the sensor info. The desire already takes that info and compresses it into a JPEG so it can certainly handle the process.
Overall it must be possible and if not right now it must be hackable to do it.
[edit] A quick search reveals its been done for the Nokias on symbian
What about PNG pictures ? it's not RAW but still lossless, which is better then jpeg !
art0rz said:
I do not think this is possible because a) the Desire can't achieve the throughput required to store the giant files RAW produces and so storing the files would take a while and b) RAW comes directly from the camera sensor and contains specific information about each pixel and I'm guessing HTC didn't put a (semi-)professional sensor in the phone.
What is possible though is converting pictures from JPEG to RAW but that defeats the purpose of RAW entirely. And also why would you need RAW on a phone? While phone cameras may have relatively alot of megaschitzels, it doesn't mean they produce good quality pictures. They also require decent lenses which (almost?) all phones lack. The megapixel race is senseless nowadays as the quality is currently defined by the quality of the lens. But hey, consumers (and usually prosumers too) buy into that nonsense because higher is always better, right?
Buy a camera if you need RAW, and use your phone for quick snaps for Twitter or Facebook.
Sorry -- rant from a photographer.
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Yes I am very well aware of all that facts about lenses and megapixels but I thought that it would be kinda cool to take RAW-s with your phone , and not to speak about all benefits RAW gives you when it comes to the editing
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I would say that it is certainly possible for the desire to store RAW images given the right software and hardware permissions. All RAW is, is a dump of the sensor info. The desire already takes that info and compresses it into a JPEG so it can certainly handle the process.
Overall it must be possible and if not right now it must be hackable to do it.
[edit] A quick search reveals its been done for the Nokias on symbian
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This is also what I was thinking about. A dump from sensor. I dont think it's that hard to implement, to me it seems easier than taking JPEG pictures.
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What about PNG pictures ? it's not RAW but still lossless, which is better then jpeg !
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The PNG would be nice too.
Anyone else? Any devs? This would be quite nice feature.
Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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I don't have any advice to offer, however I was considering posting the same question to see what people have found to work the best.
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I don't have any advice to offer, however I was considering posting the same question to see what people have found to work the best.
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I don't think we're getting an answer. It's dead here lol.
theprince1991 said:
Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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Iso setting can be changed at 8MP up to 3200. in full resoution the option is more limited. (including HDR, scene detection etc)
theprince1991 said:
I don't think we're getting an answer. It's dead here lol.
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I'd go and look at the various threads on the Z1 forum as the camera is basically identical and there's load of good advice on getting the most from the Z1 from users who have had more time to experiment (and there simply being more users full stop).
Bear in mind that since .757 there have been a number of improvements. Auto mode is now actually quite good, especially in good lighting conditions, so some of the advice might be less relevant. I'd have been in the 'NEVER USE AUTO - ALWAYS USE MANUAL' camp but I think you might actually get away with auto now.
I still use manual modes, and have been blown away by the quality of some shots I've had over the last few days.
Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/phosttk8pa8zkw8/2014-04-19 17.16.28.jpg
and this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tkgofiylv43w1v/2014-04-19 17.15.22.jpg
(Both using Landscape SCN mode)
jonmorris said:
I'd go and look at the various threads on the Z1 forum as the camera is basically identical and there's load of good advice on getting the most from the Z1 from users who have had more time to experiment (and there simply being more users full stop).
Bear in mind that since .757 there have been a number of improvements. Auto mode is now actually quite good, especially in good lighting conditions, so some of the advice might be less relevant. I'd have been in the 'NEVER USE AUTO - ALWAYS USE MANUAL' camp but I think you might actually get away with auto now.
I still use manual modes, and have been blown away by the quality of some shots I've had over the last few days.
Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/phosttk8pa8zkw8/2014-04-19 17.16.28.jpg
and this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tkgofiylv43w1v/2014-04-19 17.15.22.jpg
(Both using Landscape SCN mode)
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That is insane quality . No noise at all. Very detailed. Do you put HDR mode on? What is your focus mode? And what about metering?
I'll try the landscape SCN mode... I have found some pictures I have taken are blurry at the edges but your photo's don't really have that.
trewelu said:
Iso setting can be changed at 8MP up to 3200. in full resoution the option is more limited. (including HDR, scene detection etc)
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I thought the higher the ISO the more it lights up the scene but the higher the noise as well? I thought the best thing to do was to keep ISO low as possible.
blue_quartz said:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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Ok cool, I'm not really into post-processing, I just want to be able to point and shoot quickly and get decent picture quality. One thing that kind of annoys me about this phone is that the flash is very aggressive in manual mode (I set it to auto) and quite a lot of times I have to set it to off manually.
Manual mode is overwhelming enough for me! lol what other settings could there be to tweak?
Thanks for the advice guys, and that link is amazing btw!
I got really exited about the new OP Three, there are just a few aspects I don't like, one of them being 120fps filming instead of 240fps. I'm a complete noob, but I'm trying to inderstand why it can't record 240fps videos. As far as I know, our processor (SD820) can manage 240fps (see S7/G5), and I guess our camera sensor can too (IMX298), but I couldn't find that information.
Anyway, previously I was interested in getting slow motion on a DSLR camera (Canon EOS 700D), but I found some reasons why it would't be possible: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/in...r0ic25ieqeee0&topic=11570.msg113776#msg113776
I know there are lots of differences between a smartphone and a DSLR camera, but what I found interesting was this:
3. The internal buses that move the raw data from the sensor to the image processors can't handle that much data (1920*1080*14bit*60fps = 1.7 Gigabits per second)
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OP3 can record [email protected] video, which would require 3840×2160×30fps=248832000 bits/s, while HD 240fps video would require 720×1280×240fps=221184000 bits/s (I'm not taking into account color depth since I assume it'd be the same in both cases).
Furthermore, some time ago, when camera2 api was first released, PkmX achieved 120fps and 4K on a nexus 5, which couldn't officially do that and had a far older sensor.
Since OP3 will be really developer-friendly and its sources are already available, do you think it'll be possible for developers to get 240fps, even on low res videos? Can you think of anything that could be a limitation?
Anyway, if I buy the phone eventually, I'll learn a bit about development and try to get it.
(Maybe I should mention that I found this digging into the sources, but I don't even know if it's related
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do you think it'll be possible for developers to get 240fps, even on low res videos? Can you think of anything that could be a limitation?
Anyway, if I buy the phone eventually, I'll learn a bit about development and try to get it.
(Maybe I should mention that I found this digging into the sources, but I don't even know if it's related
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you know the nexus 5x initially just had 120 fps and now it has a 240 fps mod, but thats due to the fact that google camera had just restricted it directly inthe apk itself, people just edited the google camera and BANG 240 fps on the nexus 5x.. oneplus3 could be a different story. i really wish it had it though, im like so close to buying this phone ! in the end i might just end up with the nexus 6p due to this feature
shriom_manerker said:
you know the nexus 5x initially just had 120 fps and now it has a 240 fps mod, but thats due to the fact that google camera had just restricted it directly inthe apk itself, people just edited the google camera and BANG 240 fps on the nexus 5x.. oneplus3 could be a different story. i really wish it had it though, im like so close to buying this phone ! in the end i might just end up with the nexus 6p due to this feature
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I bought the 3. So far it's not looking good. It looks like the camera2 API implementation is broken for photos and who knows what for video.
They released some source and made a big show about it, but there is still proprietary code they haven't released and may never--they never did with the One which still has no camera2.
Might want to hold out on the 3 for things to settle and by that time the new Sony should be out with a much better sensor.
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I bought the 3. So far it's not looking good. It looks like the camera2 API implementation is broken for photos and who knows what for video.
They released some source and made a big show about it, but there is still proprietary code they haven't released and may never--they never did with the One which still has no camera2.
Might want to hold out on the 3 for things to settle and by that time the new Sony should be out with a much better sensor.
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i already placed my order :\ , i read somewhere that the external apps are working with camera2 api ! i dont remember which thread in xda but its there , one person was not working, others confirmed working
I just saw this in a review, is this true?
I am personally shocked this is not supported.. That is one of the reasons I want the Ultra, so that is the shot I'm taking is in ideal conditions I can get a full 108 MP photo with amazing results.. Does anyone know if there going to allow in the future?
It's true just discovered this myself
There really is no 108mp. It is 12mp that should be better than other 12mp. I know this is not glitzy as 108mp but is real.
There is no 100x zoom either. There very good 4x zoom
If anything troubles me it is that pro mode does not support the wide camera nor the 4x camera. There is no way to take raw photos with either of those. I find the HEIC abysmal. I need to see if JPEG is any better.
The raw from the main camera looks pretty good though. Perhaps better than other phones. You get verygood 12mp DNG file. That is impressive and great. You can also get RAW from the front camera.
The 4x zoom if not opened at 100% even in heic looks good. Heic though produces some awful smudging of details and halo effects
Kind of defeats the purpose.
AND not having development due to a locked bootloader.
May have to (keep) the favor to iOS side.
Seriously.
cpufrost said:
Kind of defeats the purpose.
AND not having development due to a locked bootloader.
May have to (keep) the favor to iOS side.
Seriously.
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This phone just came out. Give it some time dude
No Pro Mode Except for Standard Wide Angle
Pro Mode (raw format) is a must for me in both Ultrawide and Telephoto. Since this is a simple software fix, anyone hear if and when it will happen? Makes no sense that some beancounter in the system didn't allow full Pro Mode from the start!
Hey guys! Could you download this app called Camera2 Test from the play store? It reads all the features that all the cameras have implemented with the Camera 2 API. I'm curious if a 108mp RAW mode is there. You can go to the full tab in the app and share the file in here. Thanks in advance! (perferably from az exynos device, but both would be preferred!)
EDIT: There is another app Camera2 API Probe. Just need to scroll down, share, and it will generate a link. Sorry for the inconvenience!
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Thank you! I copied it into a link: https://pastebin.com/0MwuVV9L
Please edit your posts since I don't think mods will like these long posts. (dont want you to get into trouble )
EDIT: could you share another report from another app, Camera2 API Probe as well? Just need to scroll down, share, and it will generate a link. Sorry for the inconvenience!
https://airbeat.com/cam2/5e6f8c725c154903f3dd905f
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https://airbeat.com/cam2/5e6f8c725c154903f3dd905f
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Thank you!!
kornelkahh said:
Thank you!!
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yes sir!
Camera2 api probe
kornelkahh said:
Thank you! I copied it
Please edit your posts since I don't think mods will like these long posts. (dont want you to get into trouble )
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airbeat.
[Ignore this space]
com/cam2/5e72ac945c154903f3dd9147
kirilk said:
There really is no 108mp. It is 12mp that should be better than other 12mp. I know this is not glitzy as 108mp but is real.
There is no 100x zoom either. There very good 4x zoom
If anything troubles me it is that pro mode does not support the wide camera nor the 4x camera. There is no way to take raw photos with either of those. I find the HEIC abysmal. I need to see if JPEG is any better.
The raw from the main camera looks pretty good though. Perhaps better than other phones. You get verygood 12mp DNG file. That is impressive and great. You can also get RAW from the front camera.
The 4x zoom if not opened at 100% even in heic looks good. Heic though produces some awful smudging of details and halo effects
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Can you please upload all the raw photos for us? thanks alot!
dazed1 said:
Can you please upload all the raw photos for us? thanks alot!
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I uploaded one raw and couple of post processing options. One is without corrections and the other (warmer one) is to my liking. I used Lightroom.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y9sxeh8b1ne2ak1/AAD8fu5k5OC--tJol2euqjOUa?dl=0
I am yet to do a bit more photography with the S20 ultra. Here is an album of photos I took from a walk before the quarantine in my country. I will put more photos in there as I get more experience with the phone when I go out after the quarantine.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kirilk/albums/72157713487224503
It is very fitting to my expectations. I wanted a phone camera that has wide angle and optical magnification higher than 75mm equivalent, Between 100 mm to 135 mm equivalent was my dream. SO S20 ultra is exactly that 12mm wide angle (excellent, 105mm equivalent telephoto is excellent too. There is also the larger main 12MP sensor I like. Yes it can do 108MP with tons of mathematics and that would likely get you a bit more detail at the cost of dynamic range and noise.....
PS I would very much appreciate if Samsung give us RAW files form the telephoto and wide angle. I know wide angle has distortion and likely the telephoto suffers vignetting and or distortion too but Lightroom can fix those things. Samsung should add another camera app meant for photo enthusiasts.. RAW files with high bit depth and latitude for editing in post should be the emphasis there.
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I uploaded one raw and couple of post processing options. One is without corrections and the other (warmer one) is to my liking. I used Lightroom.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y9sxeh8b1ne2ak1/AAD8fu5k5OC--tJol2euqjOUa?dl=0
I am yet to do a bit more photography with the S20 ultra. Here is an album of photos I took from a walk before the quarantine in my country. I will put more photos in there as I get more experience with the phone when I go out after the quarantine.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kirilk/albums/72157713487224503
It is very fitting to my expectations. I wanted a phone camera that has wide angle and optical magnification higher than 75mm equivalent, Between 100 mm to 135 mm equivalent was my dream. SO S20 ultra is exactly that 12mm wide angle (excellent, 105mm equivalent telephoto is excellent too. There is also the larger main 12MP sensor I like. Yes it can do 108MP with tons of mathematics and that would likely get you a bit more detail at the cost of dynamic range and noise.....
PS I would very much appreciate if Samsung give us RAW files form the telephoto and wide angle. I know wide angle has distortion and likely the telephoto suffers vignetting and or distortion too but Lightroom can fix those things. Samsung should add another camera app meant for photo enthusiasts.. RAW files with high bit depth and latitude for editing in post should be the emphasis there.
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Thank you so much. If i understand correctly, the flickr photos are before the update, and the dropbox are after the update right?
All photos in the above post use the same software . I got one update immediately as I installed the phone.
G988BXXU1ATBM (there are two more version strings I guess for other hardware modifications) ,431,19MB in size containing the 1st of March security updates
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All photos in the above post use the same software . I got one update immediately as I installed the phone.
G988BXXU1ATBM (there are two more version strings I guess for other hardware modifications) ,431,19MB in size containing the 1st of March security updates
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Thank you for your efforts! I watched a video from India today. They got the ATC1/H update first. It looks very promising, take a look:
https://youtu.be/wZoWAben4CA
The old news about the ATC2 update from Korea are somewhat misleading since the update with the lower number brings improvements that where not to be seen in the ATC2 video from Korean user which we all have probably seen.
I just got an update to .......ATCH and can confirm AF works now pretty well including close up.
RAW from telephoto or wide angle is not available . Camera2 API does not see the telephoto camera.
So I guess AF is likely the only fix.