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Jello effect w/ video recording. Why hasn't this got more attention?

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youtube[dot]com/watch?v=gymA26jqtTQ
It's really the only thing that's stopping me from buying the Galaxy Nexus. In my opinion the Galaxy Nexus can't take video if that's what it's producing. Anyone here a photography master of sorts that can shed some light on this issue?
Through my research I've found that the jello effect caused by a rolling shutter can be fixed in post production, but is something like this fixable via software/firmware on the phone?

What's going on? It's a bit shocking that nobody is concerned about this issue.

are you serious? "what's going on?"
it's quite obviously image stabilisation.

The sensor basically just relays data, OMAP camera hardware interface process it (stabilisation etc...) and Android presents, maybe tweaks it a bit and saves it.
So an eventual "fix" would be in OMAP firmware, not Android right?
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saster2 said:
The sensor basically just relays data, OMAP camera hardware interface process it (stabilisation etc...) and Android presents, maybe tweaks it a bit and saves it.
So an eventual "fix" would be in OMAP, not Android right?
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I don't know, but there is an option in Google Talk to change image stabilisation effect.

I have the same thing,but I think that it is image stabilization.

I've just replicated this issue and must say.. I'm totally not bothered! The image stabilisation is actually pretty good and the ony time i can make it do this is if I jiggle the camera... unless youre planning on trying to mock up an earthquake effect, I dont see this being an action you would do. In fact, due to the good image stabilisation, its pretty hard to do this jiggle accidentally, you must be quite determined to create this "jelly" effect (I'm in the UK, hence I get a jelly effect, not jello )

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091124183445AA8XEj5
If you don't want to read, its because it uses a CMOS sensor. Affects cell phones and DSLRs alike. Hardware related.

oscillik said:
are you serious? "what's going on?"
it's quite obviously image stabilisation.
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May I ask what makes you so sure?
The video effect shown in the original post and in others if you look, mirrors exactly that of the "jello effect" caused by a rolling shutter, i.e. the sensor, more importantly, CMOS sensors. From what I've found: all cameras, even professional DSLR's have this "jello effect" caused by rolling shutters on CMOS sensors. The only, and most common fix I've found is to edit the video in post production.
It's not quite obviously image stabilization considering how this issue is reproduced in the exact same scenario a rolling shutter w/ CMOS sensor would to create the jello effect. Otherwise the issue would occur all the time and not only when panning quickly. The video below should explain.
youtube[dot]com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ITkLwVgxo98#t=61s
This may not be the best example, but it should show you what I am talking about. Others like this can be found by doing a simple Google or YouTube search.
The problem is oscillik is both a) incorrect, and b) an asshole. A dangerous combination to be sure!

couchapple said:
The problem is oscillik is both a) incorrect, and b) an asshole. A dangerous combination to be sure!
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LOL, funny stuff.

I know what rolling shutter effect on CMOS based cameras is. This looks more excessive than rolling shutter, and looks more like image stabilisation.

People really need to stop thinking that SmartPhones are the end all be all. Unless a phone is specifically dedicated for a camera as it's main feature, then of course people should be concerned.

People here really plan on shooting lots of hd video with their phone? If quality really matters a dedicated camera would be better served...from what I can see this is pretty trivial. Then again, the only thing I take video of is dyno runs and fun in bed...

Again not hardware involved!!!
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,

Roxxer_x46 said:
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
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Awesome! Glad to see this fixed, and nice find by the way. An update to the default camera app will come I'm sure. Until then this essentially fixed the problem, whatever it was, if image stabilization, I stand corrected.

it is image stabilisation, as has been proven by the fact that using another application gets rid of it.

Roxxer_x46 said:
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
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Would be nice if this comparison could be done using the software mentioned above...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyRxJ5zKSO8&sns=em
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Here's a 1080p video I took at a Football stadium. Big game, I luckily shot the only goal at Arsenal Vs Man City on Tuesday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsdD7iPpnM&feature=g-all

I tried using the LGCamera app mentioned in the YouTube post but it crashes on launch. Has anyone else had any luck?
GSM version running 4.01.

I use 720p because of the 30fps. 1080p is 24fps on the Gnex.
No thanks to 24fps.
That explains why image stabilization is having a hard time at stabilizing the image at that resolution at the frame rate.
I think image stabilization works best at higher frame rates.
My two cents.
Having said that, I do feel rolling shutter is a underrated issue with smart phones and point and shot. I would much rather have 720p without rolling shutter than 1080p with in.
I think post processing like deshaker is some cool stuff too. There are some really cool videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaPNf2Rk4qQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2v73SOqMk
If they could do deshaking in realtime and eliminate rolling shutting... That would be cool. Some day.

[Q] Note II Camera Mods

Alrighty then. I know the Note II Camera Mod craze is dying down, but I'm still super interested. I've tried every mod they've got. And all of them I have tried on both CM10.1 and TW whether they are listed/known to work on them or not. That being said, I've had plenty of success getting it to work on the TW. Before you roll your eyes, no I'm not asking for a port to CM10.1 (though that would be frickin' amaze-a-zing).
What I do want to know is this (because every one of those cam mods refuses to address the issue, understandably). The camera is fantastic. The video recording? Crystal. The slow mo? Retarded.
I get that the quad-core processors effortlessly pull this off, and my theory is that the extra cores basically take frames in-between the original frames, thus making a full slow-motion effect. What I want to know is that if we can overclock our phones to nearly 2Ghz, why can we not emulate the same effect? This was such a hot and popular mod, I have no clue as to why devs (on ANY phone) have yet to pull it off. Will someone educate me as to either a) why it is "impossible" on our phones or b) how to make the slow-mo fluid? I'm really tired of getting berated in the i9300 threads because people don't want to deal with me.

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Colerunn said:
Alrighty then. I know the Note II Camera Mod craze is dying down, but I'm still super interested. I've tried every mod they've got. And all of them I have tried on both CM10.1 and TW whether they are listed/known to work on them or not. That being said, I've had plenty of success getting it to work on the TW. Before you roll your eyes, no I'm not asking for a port to CM10.1 (though that would be frickin' amaze-a-zing).
What I do want to know is this (because every one of those cam mods refuses to address the issue, understandably). The camera is fantastic. The video recording? Crystal. The slow mo? Retarded.
I get that the quad-core processors effortlessly pull this off, and my theory is that the extra cores basically take frames in-between the original frames, thus making a full slow-motion effect. What I want to know is that if we can overclock our phones to nearly 2Ghz, why can we not emulate the same effect? This was such a hot and popular mod, I have no clue as to why devs (on ANY phone) have yet to pull it off. Will someone educate me as to either a) why it is "impossible" on our phones or b) how to make the slow-mo fluid? I'm really tired of getting berated in the i9300 threads because people don't want to deal with me.
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This doesn't really answer your question but the reason it's not on CM10.1 is cause it's a TW app, which can't be used on AOSP (due to closed source).
Haven't tried the Note II camera myself so can't be much more help here. Although, did you try it with OC?

I've tried OC, ROM optimization for speed, the two together, playing with the I/O speeds, you name it. Again, in theory, I get how the extra cores are beneficial to the fluid capture, I'm just wanting to know how to emulate that, or overcome the difference using a dual-core.

OK, I'll settle for peoples suggestions for a slow-motion app that works. They all have the same problem, it seems. They all claim slow-motion and they all have good reviews, but they all still give a choppy recording. Nothing I Google or search results in anything prevalent to the i747 d2att. If you Google Slow Motion Samsung, ALL you'll get are results to the Note II and i9300. I can't be the first person to want this.

By slow motion camera do you mean a high speed camera? High speed cameras take hundreds or some thousands of frames per second when recording. A quick search for high speed camera on play store only shows apps with a 30 fps.
Doing some Google searching I found an article that discusses the Camera HX-MOD and it is capable of recording 120+fps. It's a camera from the Galaxy Note 2. I'm trying to find it for our phones but their Web page won't display.
http://hx-custom-roms.com/galaxy-s3-camera-mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1759513
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AngelsNecropolis said:
By slow motion camera do you mean a high speed camera? High speed cameras take hundreds or some thousands of frames per second when recording. A quick search for high speed camera on play store only shows apps with a 30 fps.
Doing some Google searching I found an article that discusses the Camera HX-MOD and it is capable of recording 120+fps. It's a camera from the Galaxy Note 2. I'm trying to find it for our phones but their Web page won't display.
http://hx-custom-roms.com/galaxy-s3-camera-mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1759513
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That's because it isn't available for our phones...technically. I got it to work on the d2att for a while. Everything worked fine EXCEPT the slow-motion. It was still laggy and no better than the app-store camera apps.That mod is for the international version of the SIII, and utilizes the quad-core just like the Note II does. It is actually what the OP was all about. I can find the mods, I just can't seem to make them work correctly. All they seem to do is record the same frame-rate, but then render it the same way all the useless apps do, by simply stretching out each frame and making it laggy and skipp-y.

Anyone knows how to get the Stock G4 Camera app?

Hello!
Yesterday I flashed CyanogenMod on my G4 H815 and just before the phone rebooted, I realized that I won't have the mega-awesome Camera app from LG. So does anyone know if there is any apk or any way to get it? To mention, I didn't backup my device because... because.
Thank you!

Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.

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Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.
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It's not necessary the image quality, but the flexibility you have with that app (manual focus, iso, exposure time, etc.). I hope there is a way to use that app. While I was searching for it I found that there is the G4 Camera app ported for G3, so I am thinking that there could be the original app somewhere..
Thanks!

It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings. The quality otherwise is similar

xdag4 said:
It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings.
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there are 3rd party apps that should work for manual setting but your max shutter won't exceed 0.7s. This is the already the case with the stock firmware and 3rd party camera apps.
There is something called night shot which the G4 resorts to very often especially with the front camera. that will be gone. Selfies ain't going to be as good. it's also used for the rear in lower light. Though a longer exposure will produce better images. night shot is a convenience when you don't want to set up on a tripod.
The quality otherwise is similar
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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
How good is the Cm camera in auto ? that's one of the strengths of the stock G4 camera.
Does the Cm camera make use of the colour sensor at all.

Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots

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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer). And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.

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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer).
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Can you post links to examples of photos taken with cm camera ?
saw a few in the g4 community but the max resolution was just 2.4MP, need to be full resolution.
The low light shots on auto were crap. The G4 is a low light shooter in stock auto.
And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.
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Such are the requirements for a clinching argument. otherwise its based on faith.
if people want to go down this route they need to know what they will be losing.
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Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots
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heh, anything from 0.5s UP TO 30s isn't possible.
I would be very sceptical about replacing stock with cm camera until i see plenty of examples with cm.
Also bear in mind that vendors keep a very tight lock on their cameras and don't share much with 3rd parties. yeah you can use a 3rd party app in some circumstances but you can never replace the stock camera in all situations. This stock cmaera that can challenge the likes of smasung and is touted as a major selling point of the G4. Yeah, i say its pretty special.
Which is a requirement to any one considering the CM path.
What i'm reading here is if you want CM then you don't care too much about the camera to begin with. That would not surprise me as people that are good with roms don't tend to be very good with camera and vice versa. it's rare to find both those skill sets in people.

Upgrade oneplus 3 camera to IMX316

I would like to buy a oneplus 3, however the camera is concerning me
According to sample photos, the camera doesn't perform as well as hoped for.
Is it possible to change the module by the latest sony IMX316 for example? It would give a great addition to the already amazing phone

c4d3r said:
I would like to buy a oneplus 3, however the camera is concerning me
According to sample photos, the camera doesn't perform as well as hoped for.
Is it possible to change the module by the latest sony IMX316 for example? It would give a great addition to the already amazing phone
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lol of course no. it's not a modular phone. And the camera sensor (sony imx298 ) in my opinion is actually really good. Might not be as good as the s7 one but it's very close to that. Also the developers i suppose will be able to improve the algorithm to make it even better.

Camera isnt best.. But it's good..

Well, i was just wondering if it can be upgraded in the future by changing the camera sensor module (screwing phone open, clipping new one). Perhaps by changing drivers

The best you could hope for would be software updates that might help the camera processing. You'll never be able to switch the sensor module. If you don't like the camera and that's a deal breaker then don't get this phone. Personally I think the camera samples are pretty good. If I need something more then I'll pull out the A6300 and use it instead.

HatRiGt said:
Camera isnt best.. But it's good..
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how about it camera ? better or worse than nexus 6p? sold my 6p and ordered OP3 last day, i will get my device next Thursday
just wonder, since 6P camera is good

c4d3r said:
I would like to buy a oneplus 3, however the camera is concerning me
According to sample photos, the camera doesn't perform as well as hoped for.
Is it possible to change the module by the latest sony IMX316 for example? It would give a great addition to the already amazing phone
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Err, how many phones are modable in such a manner? Might as well as if you can use it to floss your teeth.

pixel camera and unlocking bands

Heya guys, I was wondering when the pixel camera will be ported to the mi5s? Can someone tell me what we will need first and the likelihood of it happening out of 10? also what is the chance of unlocking the mi5s's bands if/when the mi5's bands are unlocked out of 10? I'm still wondering if I should purchase this phone or wait for the mi6. The main reason for wanting this phone is the pixels camera and the cheap price tag which i don't think the mi6 will beat. but I would also like to have a device that I could develop on, putting new roms and whatnot. SOOoooo what do you guys suggest? Thanks in advance

Dont buy it! Dont buy it! Dont buy it!
Ok. I'm joking, but its hopeless to wait for Mi 5s to support band 20, but the rest might already work.
I'm also waiting for pixel camera, currently. Don't expect too much, I never knew I can only have lowest iso at 100! Google pixel definitely can have 50 I think. I was naive and thought everything would be solved by software updating, but currently no 3rd party app can make iso lower than 50. Since it's not open sourced yet, I doubt CM or AOSP would have iso 50, even they have, I'm concerned that they won't have as good quality. The preview of Mi 5s in manual mode never changes while changing exposing time (shutter speed). This never happened in my previous phones, and I was wondering why there was only one guy mentioned this (and whenever I brought this up, nobody replied)

forgivemypoorEN said:
Dont buy it! Dont buy it! Dont buy it!
Ok. I'm joking, but its hopeless to wait for Mi 5s to support band 20, but the rest might already work.
I'm also waiting for pixel camera, currently. Don't expect too much, I never knew I can only have lowest iso at 100! Google pixel definitely can have 50 I think. I was naive and thought everything would be solved by software updating, but currently no 3rd party app can make iso lower than 50. Since it's not open sourced yet, I doubt CM or AOSP would have iso 50, even they have, I'm concerned that they won't have as good quality. The preview of Mi 5s in manual mode never changes while changing exposing time (shutter speed). This never happened in my previous phones, and I was wondering why there was only one guy mentioned this (and whenever I brought this up, nobody replied)
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So the camera can't be fully ported? İt's got the exact same hardware though so I see no reason for it not to be fully ported. Can someone else shed some light on this?

Only in Cam2 API can you see a live preview, you can use snap cam or FreeDcam for that. Also using manual cam 1 api on FreeDcam you can achieve 0 ISO, using long exposure. It would be nice to have HDR+ but what we got is just as good when you become used to using it.

bozy09 said:
So the camera can't be fully ported? İt's got the exact same hardware though so I see no reason for it not to be fully ported. Can someone else shed some light on this?
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I had the same idea when I got this phone, but nothing magic happened. Maybe in the future. There are two strange things, firstly Google camera hdr+ hasn't been port to any non Nexus device, by the way MI5s simply fc on 3.x versions,and the working version only has basic functions. Secondly, no camera can lower iso to below 100, so there's definitely difference between pixel and mi 5s I don't know if this can be fixed by replacing libs. The eis should also be different, at least you need system driver and service to use gryo during taking photos

bozy09 said:
Heya guys, I was wondering when the pixel camera will be ported to the mi5s? Can someone tell me what we will need first and the likelihood of it happening out of 10? also what is the chance of unlocking the mi5s's bands if/when the mi5's bands are unlocked out of 10? I'm still wondering if I should purchase this phone or wait for the mi6. The main reason for wanting this phone is the pixels camera and the cheap price tag which i don't think the mi6 will beat. but I would also like to have a device that I could develop on, putting new roms and whatnot. SOOoooo what do you guys suggest? Thanks in advance
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Regarding the pixel camera on Mi5S . This is just wishful thinking, it will never happen.

That's a real bummer, I guess I won't buy it :/ I appreciate your comments so thanks