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Nokia's First WM7 Device

Looks like Nokia's first Windows Phone has been leaked by the CEO no less. It looks a lot like the recently announced N9, but no word on what the internal specs are. It will have to blow the current generation of phones out of the water for me to give up the Super AMOLED screen on my Focus.

i didn't see any windows buttons. In the video he didn't actually turn it on.
Who knows

Full video can be found here:
http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_nokiat/

vetvito said:
i didn't see any windows buttons. In the video he didn't actually turn it on.
Who knows
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yeah the lack of front 3 buttons was what I was wondering about as well.

Hmm can't get the full video to load, but it's about time we get a peak of a Nokia WP7 phone. Can't wait!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M1wC0pS_No
Here you go, enjoy

So does anyone know if this would work on Sprint if it had the same quadband CDMA radios as the meego version? Because I would buy this immediately, if that were the case.
PS - In the long version he turns it on, and another guy comes out and demoes it.

Thanks for the links.
Looking at this unreleased phone, and looking at the already released HTC sensation 4g. All I can say is, Microsoft is in deep ****.
Deep, deep, deep ****. SMFH.

Microsoft is in a very poor situation with regard to WP7, trying to push a new OS to a market which isn't exactly dying for one, needing hundreds of phones and friendly distribution, but the video doesn't make it any worse.

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nokia nb66

Why were they still recording when he asked everyone to switch off their camera?

Should be more coming as well.

but the here's my question....will it have a FF camera? that's the only thing I want in my next windows phone and well mango too

That's.... kinda ugly at first glance.
I don't particularly enjoy the Nx designs. Sad to see them sticking with it for wp7.
ALTHOUGH I do like the boxiness aspect. I think rounded edges are old school, boxiness is a good thing design-wise.

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I think rounded edges are old school, boxiness is a good thing design-wise.
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Or, you could say that rounded phones are a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Pulling a square-edged, boxy phone out of my pocket can be a real pain, but a phone that has nice rounded corners is not a problem at all.
And personally, boxy = ugly to me.

RoboDad said:
Or, you could say that rounded phones are a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Pulling a square-edged, boxy phone out of my pocket can be a real pain, but a phone that has nice rounded corners is not a problem at all.
And personally, boxy = ugly to me.
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Hmm never thought of it that way. Would never have thought of that as I've never owned one without rounded edges.

sumdumdude said:
Looks like Nokia's first Windows Phone has been leaked by the CEO no less. It looks a lot like the recently announced N9, but no word on what the internal specs are. It will have to blow the current generation of phones out of the water for me to give up the Super AMOLED screen on my Focus.
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I like it. I like the N9 and think this model would make a good WP7 device.

vetvito said:
Thanks for the links.
Looking at this unreleased phone, and looking at the already released HTC sensation 4g. All I can say is, Microsoft is in deep ****.
Deep, deep, deep ****. SMFH.
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Yeah, the Sensation is aptly named. I would love to have one. But I can't see anything wrong with this WP7 Nokia device. Imagine it in some other colors.

SteveChou said:
nokia nb66
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Those on screen buttons are nasty looking, I can see myself now always accidentally hitting them trying to play a game or something. plz bring something else Nokia, because that is not what I want at all

havox22 said:
Those on screen buttons are nasty looking, I can see myself now always accidentally hitting them trying to play a game or something. plz bring something else Nokia, because that is not what I want at all
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Since they are on-screen buttons, they can be minimized or disappear altogether during a game or open app. This would completely eliminate the accidental press of these buttons.

[Q] upgradeability ,text sharpness and screen burn in?

hi,
as someone who wants to finally board the android train, and is particulary impressed by the note's concept, i was waiting for thw GN2 to be avilablele, but i have a few questions:
1. i intend to use my next device for approximately 2-3 years. i've read here about concerns regarding the GN2's "outdated" hardware. normally it wouldn't bother me, but it's my understanding that the A15 is a huge leap forward, and in light of HTC's announcement about updating only to 2012 devices, i wonder if the A15's could become the new standard and when key lime pie (or the next one) comes, it would be too demanding in samsung's eyes and it won't be officially supported. in addition, some devs. dropping development for exynous based phones combined with the fact that afaik, CM doesn't support the s-pen's features (which are a main part of why i chose this device) may leave it behind for me. is it reasonale to expect at least 2 years of support by samsung?
2. has anyone used the handwriting recognition to solve math problems (i.e. infinitisimal calculus)? does it work well?
3. how much time can i keep the screen on wih a still background before i risk screen burn in?
4. does the screen appear not so sharp while viewing text, due to the somewhat low pixel density?
5. i've read here a comment about the note 3 supposedly released on march 2013. is that a popular\ reasonable opinion?
thanks a lot for the patience reading this post, and in advance for your much needed help!!

Two years of support will definitely happen. The old Note 1 is still getting updates, and recently includes the multi-tasking sidebar.
I've used the handwriting with equation inputs. It does not solve calculus for you. You just get to input it.
Not sure about burn in. But on HDAMOLED screens. I've heard upwards of 2 years on moderate usage.
The PPI thing is personal preference. I came from iPhone 4, and while the Note 2 PPI is lower. It does make up with its monster display.
Note 3 rumours need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I don't see it happening. Although anything can happen. There are credible reports of Apple releasing i5S as soon as feb or march.

I can only comment on text sharpness. And in my opinion it is perfectly fine. Words still look great when zoomed in etc. All the round letters look round abd not jagged
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AjunNg said:
Two years of support will definitely happen. The old Note 1 is still getting updates, and recently includes the multi-tasking sidebar.
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that's very reassuring. does "support" usually mean implimentation of certain features or the full ver. of android?
AjunNg said:
I've used the handwriting with equation inputs. It does not solve calculus for you. You just get to input it.
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i read about the partnership with wolfram alpha, since i check many of my results on their site and given the note's ability to recognize handwriting, i thought it would save me a lot of time. is it not possible or did you not try it on wolfram alpha?

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that's very reassuring. does "support" usually mean implimentation of certain features or the full ver. of android?
i read about the partnership with wolfram alpha, since i check many of my results on their site and given the note's ability to recognize handwriting, i thought it would save me a lot of time. is it not possible or did you not try it on wolfram alpha?
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full version of android. seems like my old galaxy s2 will still receive full jelly bean even though it is 1 1/2 years old. Samsung is actually quite good with updates compared to other oems (except google and apple of course)
I used s note with wolfram alpha a little. It does work flawlessly for what I tried. Didn't try it excessively though.

lolmensch said:
I used s note with wolfram alpha a little. It does work flawlessly for what I tried. Didn't try it excessively though.
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thanks for the rapid responses!
since it's pretty much why i need the s pen, can anyone with n7100 try to write some short random integral/ derivative with Exponentiation with the s-pen to see if wolfram can use it? it would erase every shred of doubt i have, and assert this phone as the chosen one..

a-a said:
thanks for the rapid responses!
since it's pretty much why i need the s pen, can anyone with n7100 try to write some short random integral/ derivative with Exponentiation with the s-pen to see if wolfram can use it? it would erase every shred of doubt i have, and assert this phone as the chosen one..
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Seems to work just fine.
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thanks! the recognition works really well.. where can i see the solution?

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thanks! the recognition works really well.. where can i see the solution?
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The search button (the one with the questionmark) takes you to the solution at wolfram alpha.

Aggressive design caused Samsung Galaxy Note 7 battery explosions

Awesome read for those seeking answers as to why Samsung took the action they did on the Note 7.
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I also read that Samsung actually knew the risk but decided to "push it". They paid for it dearly if that is true.
In any case, I returned my device long ago because there is no chance I would pay that much money for a possibly compromised device with many disadvantages. For the future, I hope Samsung wises up, starts making safe phones again and explains the situation, otherwise I can't buy from them anymore.

This isn't new "news", but having a major article highlight what we have pretty much known was the issue is nice. Hopefully Samsung sheds some official light on the subject, but they are probably hoping it just fades away so they won't bring attention to it. I really hope they don't lower the Display to body ratio on they next phones - one of the nicest things about the N7 is the high display to body size ratio. They were able to get a very high display to body ratio in the S7, with a bigger battery than the N7 even, without problems, so they can do it. Yes the N7 has the S Pen which takes up space, but there has to be a way to get a 3600 size battery (or bigger) into the next Note phone without having this issue. Maybe if they go with a slightly bigger display (5.8 to 5.9) that will allow more room to work with. Same high display to body ratio but slightly bigger display and internal room to work with. Very interested to see what the S8 has in store, as that will likely give us an idea on what the N8 will be looking like.

I just can't quite understand why making the size of the phone so thin is of such overriding importance, especially considering that most people want a phone with a decent sized battery that will last for a decent amount of time. Seriously, what is the difference if they put a 4 or 5k sized battery and the phone is .5mm thicker.

This is a bull**** article written by hacks who have zero journalistic or scientific credentials, or even skills. None of it is true.
The original batteries did indeed caught on fire ( not exploded) because of a manufacturing defect by Samsung SDI, which was fixed after the first recall by switching to a different manufacturer.
To get at the truth one only needs to look at the, GASP - FACTS.
There were five "explosions" after the first recall, and ZERO after the second.

complete bs and samsung knows it.

Agreed. The people saying it was an aggressive design are idiots. Other phones use the same aggressive design and even higher mAH batteries. We wont know the truth until samsung releases their findings.

PhoenixJedi said:
Agreed. The people saying it was an aggressive design are idiots. Other phones use the same aggressive design and even higher mAH batteries. We wont know the truth until samsung releases their findings.
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We were promised official results before the end of the year. Let's hope that holds true.

Why do people feel so threatened by the possibility that this is actually true? It is obvious it wasn't batteries alone, since they x-rayed every single battery yet the still went pop. It is still obiously a rare problem and whoever wants may still keep their phone regardless??

We want the results from SAMSUNG themselves. Honestly, considering the very small amount of failures out of the number of devices sold....

Samsung will reveal the cause of the Galaxy Note 7’s exploding battery this Sunday

The Verge is reporting that; "Samsung will reveal the cause of the Galaxy Note 7’s exploding battery this Sunday"
Moment of Truth?

Can't wait. So we can finally move on and they can finally make a good phone for us again.

Looks to have been leaked early:
http://amp.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-7-had-two-separate-battery-defects

Phlip00ws6 said:
Looks to have been leaked early:
http://amp.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-7-had-two-separate-battery-defects
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Hoping this is a simplistic assumption. There has to be a bigger/broader explanation. Apple, LG, Sony, etc. (put in the same position) wouldn't sacrifice billions and loose a whole product line over "just battery issues". They would recall the device, blame the battery manufacturer and replace the battery with a more reliable one. I could even see a scenario in which the replacement battery has a slight spec bump for "goodwill and PR purposes".
No, there has to be more at play here like an inherent design flaw. Perhaps one that only allow for limited high capacity battery options given the allotment of space in the device as has been reported elsewhere.
Lets just hope they are truthful, yes?

it's seeming likely what some have guessed of there not being enough expansion room for the battery being the second battery issue, as if that was the problem they would need to totally redesign either the battery to be smaller or reengineer the frame and everything else in the phone to free up space for the battery expansion, this is the only way I could it see it being an issue that is unfixable in a reasonable time frame.
but really until we see what they release everything is just guess work, just have to hope the release a bit more detail other than just "battery issues"

I doubt we will get the whole, complete truth. Just enough to regain confidence of consumers and investors.
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BozQ said:
I doubt we will get the whole, complete truth.
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What difference does it make? The reason the Note7 was killed wasn't just because of a mysterious overheating issue. There's no question that with time Samsung could have figured it out and corrected it. Once the Note7 became a global laughing stock and lightning rod for negative hits on Samsung's reputation the choice was allow the Note7 to flounder in the public eye while they tried to fix it or kill it.
Here's the S7 Edge and Note7 overlaid. They are virtually the same size. Note the similar width.
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Look at the internals.
The silo for the S Pen takes up almost half an inch vertically running parallel to the battery. To keep the Note7's battery capacity and physical size comparable to the S7 Edge Samsung crammed ten pounds of sh!t in to a five pound bag. To "fix" the Note7 would have required a new smaller capacity battery and/or a complete retooling of its internals. The latter would have taken months which Samsung didn't have. The cost of a fix probably wouldn't have been much cheaper than pulling the plug. So they did. Simple as that. It was a business decision that killed the Note7. The issue leading up to its death was both a technical and ego drive one in that Samsung tried to deliver too much in the packaging they chose and pushed the technology available beyond its limits. A future case study for business majors.

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Looks to have been leaked early:
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WTF?
This is what they gonna share? This is even less BS than the first guess anyone made when the first battery exploded!!!
This is as retarded as saying "the Battery exploded because of fire inside the phone, because we made bad phones".
xD

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/01/live-samsung-talks-about-the-exploding-galaxy-note7/

Interesting, but not surprising. Most interesting is two different issues in both sets of battery production. Basically the way the battery was manufactured to meet the specs of the phone size (and the SPen added less room to fit the battery so now we know why the N7 had a slightly smaller battery than the S7) meant building a battery that was just too tight for Lithium battery chemicals. But still two different issues in both different productions of the batteries (original run, and 2nd run after the first recall).

I can't help but notice they said failures happened early in the life of devices. So maybe holdbacks were right all along and why are they now pushing to get the last few percent back? I am NOT saying people should keep them, I don't know what this means. If someone can clarify if they know more about these things...

I thought one of the presenters said battery B's is problem is more likely to occur later in life.

"...Samsung may start reselling the recalled Note 7 handsets, 3m of which had been sold, as refurbished phones fitted with new, safe batteries..." The Telegraph uk
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jopa7 said:
"...Samsung may start reselling the recalled Note 7 handsets, 3m of which had been sold, as refurbished phones fitted with new, safe batteries..." The Telegraph uk
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Hmm interesting. Wonder if thats going to happen. Im so fed up with my G3 LG by now and its only been a month or so with it. Miss my N7, still waiting to get some good news on reactivating the thing.
On another note, where all the smart asses who kept telling me it was the battery fit that caused the fires??

This is how Samsung plans to prevent future phones from catching fire

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I thought one of the presenters said battery B's is problem is more likely to occur later in life.
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They did but they didn't say at what point in the tests the ones with manufacturing defects failed nor did they say how many of the 200k phones and 30k batteries failed.
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Question Pixel watch 2022, thoughts.

Just popped up on Google feed there for me, this is what iv been wanting a full pixel eco system, having G assist on a watch would be like perfect!
What's your thoughts and expectations on this?
If there's another thread for this my bad

Since they dropped almost every new device because of the chip shortage, I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I remember 9to5 making a lot of news about the Pixel Fold, only to have other Tech sites 3 weeks later claim that it's a dead product for now.

Morgrain said:
Since they dropped almost every new device because of the chip shortage, I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I remember 9to5 making a lot of news about the Pixel Fold, only to have other Tech sites 3 weeks later claim that it's a dead product for now.
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I think they might go for it considering the amount of pixels they are selling atm it only makes sense for them to now have an eco system for it, they already have there own operating system for it wearos, so I hope they do

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Knowing Google, it'll come out just after my credit for buying the p6p expires

Would be nice, but Don't hold your breath
Google collaborated with Samsung on the Galaxy 4 Wear os watch series...

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Just popped up on Google feed there for me, this is what iv been wanting a full pixel eco system, having G assist on a watch would be like perfect!
What's your thoughts and expectations on this?
If there's another thread for this my bad
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1) I run google free. The presence of the "assistant" was the part of the google spyware system that finally convinced me that it was time to get rid of it all. You should be very cautious about allowing anyone to spy on you. Read some George Orwell -- what they are ACTUALLY doing now was at that time seen as an unbelievable overstep.
2) I stopped wearing watches when I got my first cell phone. Why do I need to carry two things that do the same thing? The phone is a lot more convenient since it has a much bigger screen.
The whole idea of a "smart watch" is a gimmick. Don't fall into it.

Google might get into the smart watch game to compete with Apple and Samsung. I mean, it is logical. It is a good move to get into that market. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple starts making electric cars.

Oh good...another half baked device.

As long as I can sideload the Google Assistant to my Galaxy Watch 4 Classic I'd be happy
Maybe find an app that can rebind my HW Keys to replace Bixby too

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I wouldn't be surprised if Apple starts making electric cars.
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That would be very frightening. They are not good at things that are complicated. If it happens, I'll be trying to come up with some means of detecting them (i.e. 360 degree visual) and alerting me when one is getting close so I can keep well clear of it.

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That would be very frightening. They are not good at things that are complicated. If it happens, I'll be trying to come up with some means of detecting them (i.e. 360 degree visual) and alerting me when one is getting close so I can keep well clear of it.
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True. But it has been reported that at least 5,000 employees are currently working on the project code name Titan, as of 2018. Willing to take the risk to overtake Tesla

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True. But it has been reported that at least 5,000 employees are currently working on the project code name Titan, as of 2018. Willing to take the risk to overtake Tesla
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I wish people could figure out that electric cars are not as "environmentally responsible" as they're made out to be. The reason Musk makes them comes down exclusively to the fact that you can't run an internal combustion engine on Mars. Tesla is a hell of an R&D lab for that.