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Which MI to get?

Hey everyone, I'm debating upgrading to xiaomi from my note 4. I could need some help deciding.
I don't really care which snapdragon it is. Both the 820 and 821 are a massive upgrade from my note and that's doing everything fine.
I'd like something smaller, but have no problem with 5,7" if there are benefits to it.
I'd like the opportunity for some kind of stockish rom. I don't flash daily anymore and am very familiar with miui since the original htc desire days. So miui is fine, but having the opportunity to go for lineage or aosp if i feel that way would be great.
So basically:
mi5s, mi5 or mi5s plus?
The mi5 64GB comes in at 277€
The mi5s 64GB is 307€
The mi5s Plus 64GB is 357€
Edit: I might also throw the Note 2 into the discussion. It's 200€ more expensive, but the bigger battery and the epic looks really are attractive.
My open questions: there is basically no development for the mi5s atm. Is there something to be expected? Is the mi5 still competitive or is it slowly eol? And for all options: Is the Ram upgrade to 4/6GB worth the price tag or is 3/4GB fine for you?
Any input to help me decide is greatly appreciated:good:

Mi5 has better camera for video (thanks to OIS) than Mi5s, otherwise they are very similar. Mi5 is longer out and thus has more chances for a custom rom. It does look like there will be some CM support (or whatever it is now called) for the Mi5s, there is one build here in the forum.
No idea about the 5s Plus.
Memory management is hard to say, but Android loves to have ram, so in general it's better to have more than less. Then again, this really depends on the ROM too.

domsch1988 said:
Hey everyone, I'm debating upgrading to xiaomi from my note 4. I could need some help deciding.
I don't really care which snapdragon it is. Both the 820 and 821 are a massive upgrade from my note and that's doing everything fine.
I'd like something smaller, but have no problem with 5,7" if there are benefits to it.
I'd like the opportunity for some kind of stockish rom. I don't flash daily anymore and am very familiar with miui since the original htc desire days. So miui is fine, but having the opportunity to go for lineage or aosp if i feel that way would be great.
So basically:
mi5s, mi5 or mi5s plus?
The mi5 64GB comes in at 277€
The mi5s 64GB is 307€
The mi5s Plus 64GB is 357€
Edit: I might also throw the Note 2 into the discussion. It's 200€ more expensive, but the bigger battery and the epic looks really are attractive.
My open questions: there is basically no development for the mi5s atm. Is there something to be expected? Is the mi5 still competitive or is it slowly eol? And for all options: Is the Ram upgrade to 4/6GB worth the price tag or is 3/4GB fine for you?
Any input to help me decide is greatly appreciated:good:
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If the screen doesn't bother you, I would buy the mi5.
: Better camera
Cm support
Deeper development here in XDA
PS: I have the mi5s plus 6gb 128 and I'm stuck in MIUI that I don't like very much. I going to continue to use my axon 7 until he has cm support
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nelnel002 said:
If the screen doesn't bother you, I would buy the mi5.
: Better camera
Cm support
Deeper development here in XDA
PS: I have the mi5s plus 6gb 128 and I'm stuck in MIUI that I don't like very much. I going to continue to use my axon 7 until he has cm support
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Mi5 doesn't have better camera than mi5s!
The mi5 has OIS but apart of that nothing else is better. The MI5s camera makes much better photos.
In fact it's so fast that I almost never have to make a photo twice, I very rarely get a blurry picture.
I would get mi5s 64GB. The materials are much better.
CM is still WIP but when Xiaomi releases the kernel sources it will be a much better phone.
With the recent Stable Global rom it goes like butter, didn't notice any problems.
By the way, the MI5 is 257$, the 64GB mi5s is 288$ and the 128GB is 348$
Check there:
https://goldway.aliexpress.com/store/311331

I'm with @dabyd64.
Mi5s has better construction than Mi5 (Aluminum vs Ceramic).
Mi5s is a little heavier (around 15g) and around 1mm bigger at 3 axis (difficult to tell a diference side by side).
Mi5s and Google Pixel have the same camera sensor, one of best as today.
Mi5s take better photos and regarding video Mi5s have EIS (at 1080) that is working better than Mi5 with OIS.
It could be better if Xiaomi invest on image processing algoritm like google did on pixel mobile.
Right now, Mi5 has better comunity support because was released first, more users, and kernel sources already released by Xiaomi.
I doubt Mi5s will have better support than Mi5, but i'm pretty sure we get the major roms.
Mi5 has infrared and could work as a remote control, this is the unique feature loss on Mi5s.
For me, Mi5s all the way. I would avoid Mi5s plus, if you really want a proper dual camera implementation -> Huawei P9.
We have to understand that a dual camera solution is all about image processing. For me, Xiaomi implementation was a failure.
If you need 5.5" screen size i would go for oneplus 3t.
Mi Note 2 has an oled 5.7" curved screen with te same 1080 resolution, so lower pixel density.
I really hate curved screens, and it's a pain to protect those devices.
It has a bigger battery, but generally bigger screen more consume, on the other hand oled consume less than lcd, you have to analyse sot.
200€ more relatively to 300€ it's significative, i would say put 200€ aside for a new one later on.

Not OP, but I would like to say thanks to @BPSoft and the other people who answered this question, as I'm in the same boat right now. Want to upgrade from my Mi4, and considering Mi5 and Mi5s. But the price is too close.
Do you think it is worth waiting for Mi5s price to drop a little bit more before buying? I am not very keen on using it with MIUI8 (jury's out for future MIUI 9), so I would be waiting for a custom ROM (CM, AOSP, ...). What do you think?

Custom, somewhat stable, ROM could be a way off for the Mi 5s, as the kernel source hasn't been released yet. At least there is a global rom now for the Mi 5s, but I'm not sure if that can be bought preinstalled. Not a big thing, but maybe waiting one more week (until CES is over) might mean a tiny bit lower prices.

Mi5s is at its lowest price ever, though (about 265€ for me). So many decisions... but I think i'll go for it.
Even if not preinstalled you can always unlock bootloader and install the global ROM, corect?

This is correct. Actually, if you run the official China build, you can simply download the Recovery Rom to the phone, open the Updater app, select the rom and it will flash it. No unlock needed. Works also with some, but not all, "shop roms" (globalized non official builds).

I want to thank everyone who gave their opinions. It's much appreciated.
So, if its xiaomi, mi5s it's going to be.
Currently the axon 7 is an option too. But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.

domsch1988 said:
Currently the axon 7 is an option too.
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For a 5.5" screen size, i prefer Oneplus 3T, huge support here at XDA, 6GB Ram, SD821 instead of SD820, 64/128GB internal space, but without sd card support.
See here for a comparison:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8416&idPhone2=8067&idPhone3=7260
Regarding photo quality:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=8416&idPhone2=8067&idPhone3=7260
As you can see 20Mpx says nothing about picture quality :cyclops:
domsch1988 said:
But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.
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I'm more optimistic, i expect "Mi6" release at March, like it was with Mi5. SD835 is expected. If i could, i would wait!

dabyd64 said:
Mi5 doesn't have better camera than mi5s!
The mi5 has OIS but apart of that nothing else is better. The MI5s camera makes much better photos.
In fact it's so fast that I almost never have to make a photo twice, I very rarely get a blurry picture.
I would get mi5s 64GB. The materials are much better.
CM is still WIP but when Xiaomi releases the kernel sources it will be a much better phone.
With the recent Stable Global rom it goes like butter, didn't notice any problems.
By the way, the MI5 is 257$, the 64GB mi5s is 288$ and the 128GB is 348$
Check there:
https://goldway.aliexpress.com/store/311331
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So it depends if you want OIS or faster capture. For my opinion cm development to mi5s Will take some time, soon we will have the mi6, so that's always the same thing , when we have some development there's another upgraded device that came out. We'll stay stock whit MIUI .
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domsch1988 said:
I want to thank everyone who gave their opinions. It's much appreciated.
So, if its xiaomi, mi5s it's going to be.
Currently the axon 7 is an option too. But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.
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I have axon 7 too and it's my daily driver, that's another league. QHD AMOLED,3250mah battery, not stock but almost whit some nice features, stereo speakers whit Dolby Atmos, nice camera I would say a little better than op3. nice materials and naugat to the end of January.
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What I really liked is the screen / size ratio, I think it's one of the 'smaller' phones which still has really good specs, decent screen and of course dual sim.

domsch1988 said:
I want to thank everyone who gave their opinions. It's much appreciated.
So, if its xiaomi, mi5s it's going to be.
Currently the axon 7 is an option too. But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.
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I'm going to do the exact same, wait for SD835 and if i don't think it's worth it ill buy a cheaper mi5s

OnePlus or Xiaomi Mi 6

Hi All!,
I am a current OnePlus 3t user, and it's a great phone. I was looking to get a new phone for 2 main reasons:
The space on the OnePlus I have is limitted to 64 Gb, I am running out.
With the new Snapdragon 835 out, I thought I'd look for a phone with that if I were to upgrade.
So I thought I'd check out the OnePlus 5, however the price of it put me off. Having done some research, I really like the look of the Xiaomi Mi 6. However there are a few things that are still making me reconsider:
The reviews I have seen have commented the software is buggy. It crashes and stops working at times. The software on the OnePlus 3T just works. I've not had any problems. If I get the Mi6, will it be a case of buying a buggy phone?
Also with the software, I've never used MiUi, and personally I like the simplicity and near stock Android on the OnePlus. How big of a change is the MiUi and is it customisable?
Does the Mi6 have the ability to capture RAW images?
Thanks in advance! :good:

I migrated quickly to Xiaomi.EU ROM when I purchased Mi6, although I didn't have any problem with (fake) supplied ROM.
I've used my mom's 3T for quite a bit, and the stock Android feel of OxygenOS and frequent and fast update from OnePlus is the big... plus.
MIUI, on the other hand, has very bad notification handling. It feels like you're using Android 4.2/4.4 something. You can't swipe left/right on the lockscreen notifications to make them go away, nor you can't expand it nicely like in pure android (You can do it on notification shade however, using 2 fingers, but the experience just sucks). I tried floatify to emulate the notification in stock android, but it's not enough.
MIUI for Mi6 hasn't provided RAW capture capability AFAIK.
OnePlus 5 has released their kernel source, so dev can easily start working custom ROM on that. But Xiaomi has been notorious keeping the kernel source for a long time (about 6 months+ on previous flagship), that makes the non-MIUI based ROM harder to develop.
I'm currently trying to get LineageOS installed on my Mi6, I'll post more on that LineageOS thread maybe tomorrow evening or the day after.

There is always some plus and minus. I’ve been using Xiaomi 5 Pro and I’m very happy {:m034:}
I used to have One+1 and One+3. Both were great phones.
With perfect Quality/Price factor. Even with EU prices:-/
Now I had been waiting for One+5 and all-around I’m very disappointed wit it.
Reason?
USB 2, No OIS, Software AND Price for EU!!!
It’s not the Flagship killer anymore, it starts to be exclusive peace of equipment.
My main decision point (quality/price factor) dropped down rapidly.
I really prefer MIUI in comparison to Cyanogen (1+1) or OxygenOS (1+3).
With weekly Globe-Roms upgrade (http://mi-globe.com) I’m really satisfied. Mi 5 works very smooth.
OK., it’s with open boot loader and rooted, but all my phoned have been same way in the past
(and will be in future )
I do not remember what I used in the first case, but in 1+3, I changed it to Resurrection Remix ROM.
I agree that all Oneplus society forum support is great. Same with software developers.
I hope that here in MIUI world it will be the same soon.
Especially that after all comparisons of my own, I decided to order Mi 6, 6/128 one.
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Without any doubt the mi6, and specially if you can buy it at 369USD in some aliexpress offers.

I just Got the Mi 6 pro. Fresh in my hand. It looks great, and feels excellent. It's running very smooth at the moment but hey, is brand new.
I have my 3t on hand.
I think most of the comments are correct. One plus updates quick esp of your on the beta stream, it's smooth and you don't have to deal with MIUI overlay - the OnePlus launcher is excellent.
The Mi 6 is very emotional - what the 3T has and the 5 does not.
Practically, get the 5....you know what to expect. The Mi6 feels great though.....!
I have to edit this: having had the phone for a week - the Mi6 is the smoothest, fastest phone in town right now, period, including the S8 Plus. It's very slick indeed, very, very quick, had an excellent camera and great Sound.
It's very difficult to put the Mi6 down and pick up any of the other phones.

jlmcr87 said:
Without any doubt the mi6, and specially if you can buy it at 369USD in some aliexpress offers.
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Where I can find this offer?

maak22 said:
Where I can find this offer?
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It's gone. That was the 28 June sale on a couple of sellers. I bought mine then, still waiting for it to be posted...

On the same boat. I have been reading about the touchscreen delay problems,bluetooth connectivity and some other bugs and i am hesitant to do the leap of faith on mi6.
One plus 5 on the other hand has such community and gets so many updates that you are sure that software problems will be fixed as soon as possible.

testreaper said:
On the same boat. I have been reading about the touchscreen delay problems,bluetooth connectivity and some other bugs and i am hesitant to do the leap of faith on mi6.
One plus 5 on the other hand has such community and gets so many updates that you are sure that software problems will be fixed as soon as possible.
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If you find bugs on MI 6,you can tell the developers of Xiaomi to fix them.

I got both the op5 and Mi6, the op5 has an real deal-breaker with the "jelly screen" design flaw. As for now there is no fix and oneplus says its "natural". So the Mi6 is an better choice for me.

hbbxmjbb said:
If you find bugs on MI 6,you can tell the developers of Xiaomi to fix them.
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i recon that bluetooth bugs have existed with the launch and they are yet to get a 'fix'.
Updates for global seem non existant but on the other hand thats what you get for the mi series. Xiaomi is pretty great for international devices, mainly speaking about the redmi series. Rest seem to be left untouched(Mi mix,note 2, mi5 s etc).
I am gonna hold myself from buying this yet.

To buy or not...

It looks like the mi 9 SE will be released global on the 28th of March. I want to "measure" how big the xda community will be for this phone, and also just curious...
If the mi 9 SE will be released globally, will you consider buying this phone (answer in poll)?

Well it's just as easy to modify as most of Xiaomi phones so I guess soon there will be here some custom rom choices. Especially if the only other smaller size competitor is Samsung 10e, for over twice the price.
I have 9se for about three weeks so far and must admit it's a great piece of hardware, but only if you like compact devices. Otherwise I'd rather choose Redmi Note 7 (limited budget) or Mi 9 or keep waiting for Poco F2.

winesh said:
It looks like the mi 9 SE will be released global on the 28th of March. I want to "measure" how big the xda community will be for this phone, and also just curious...
If the mi 9 SE will be released globally, will you consider buying this phone (answer in poll)?
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Yes, absolutely. I'm looking forward to purchase the 128gb varient. I LOVE compact phones, especially the ones with flagship spec i.e. Sony. But I'm definitely getting the Mi 9 SE.

Actually, its form factor seem to be the best. I would consider buying the P30 or S10e, but the price is way better on the Mi 9 SE.
Just wondering if it worth waiting for the Mi A3 lite, which would be about the same smartphone except for the snapdragon (660 and not 712) but with Android One and b28....

It depends on what is important for you. I am planning to buy too, after I have seen some reviews and possibly if I see some development activity here.
The reasons I would buy this phone are: small size, amoled screen, quite decent chipset and nfc.
I would personally not buy the galaxy s10e because of the high price and the lack of developement I have seen with their previous phones.

kagazushi said:
Actually, its form factor seem to be the best. I would consider buying the P30 or S10e, but the price is way better on the Mi 9 SE.
Just wondering if it worth waiting for the Mi A3 lite, which would be about the same smartphone except for the snapdragon (660 and not 712) but with Android One and b28....
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After having a mi A1 for over a year, I'm NEVER getting another Android one phone from Xiaomi!

keeeper said:
Well it's just as easy to modify as most of Xiaomi phones so I guess soon there will be here some custom rom choices. Especially if the only other smaller size competitor is Samsung 10e, for over twice the price.
I have 9se for about three weeks so far and must admit it's a great piece of hardware, but only if you like compact devices. Otherwise I'd rather choose Redmi Note 7 (limited budget) or Mi 9 or keep waiting for Poco F2.
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How about the quality of the photos??? Battery?

WhatzIt2Ya said:
After having a mi A1 for over a year, I'm NEVER getting another Android one phone from Xiaomi!
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Ho that's interesting, can you explain why? (I guess the amoled screen won't be on the Mi A3 and that's why i'll buy the 9 SE, but still I'm curious)

Trunksleo said:
How about the quality of the photos??? Battery?
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I just watched a couple of reviews and forum posts so mine is not a "direct" opinion, anyway
About photos, they are very good. They are not great, as well as big brother Mi 9, probably that's due to the software: AI and drivers are still not perfectly calibrated on Sony IMX586. It looks like worst than Mi 8, even if on paper Mi9/Mi9SE should have a better sensor.
About battery, it's enough! If you use dark theme, you can reach 6 hours of display on. Recently Xiaomi released DC function for Mi 9 , maybe we will see the same for Mi 9 SE because both have AMOLED display, which can benefit of this DC function.
If battery sometime isn't enough, QC @ 18W can pump in a few minutes the energy you need to reach late night.

Trunksleo said:
How about the quality of the photos??? Battery?
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Photos during daylight are great, just as you wish them to be. Every lens is doing it's job well - you can get a nice close up photo with zoom, wide angle lens proved to be useful as well, bokeh is nice (but it used to be so even on Mi 6). I am a little disappointed with night mode though - before I was playing with it on Mix 3 and there the results looked like magic, here are mediocre. It looks like the algorithm is only increasing the general brightness of the photo without recognizing the difference between stuff which should be visible and that is supposed to remain dark. The effect is obviously worse than on Mi 9 (basing on the reviews).
The battery is sufficient. Mi 9 SE as a smaller size phone is not bought for gaming therefore for any other activity can be used quite long. E.g. I've got over 14 hours of continuous movie play (MX Player HW+) and 25 hours when left as a clock (Big Clock app on Google Play). When you're not using the phone the battery drain is about 1% per hour with Ambient Display on.

kagazushi said:
Ho that's interesting, can you explain why? (I guess the amoled screen won't be on the Mi A3 and that's why i'll buy the 9 SE, but still I'm curious)
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Xiaomi is notoriously slow with updates. Like now, it's the end of March still no March patch, some people didn't even get Feb patch yet. And the biggest f*** up that Xiaomi did is after android pie update. Wifi Mac has changed, some people got their phone bricked, wifi keeps disconnecting, battery life is super poor (4-5h sot), a lot of bugs I encounter every day, still using 3.18 kernel instead of 4.9 etc. etc.

WhatzIt2Ya said:
Xiaomi is notoriously slow with updates. Like now, it's the end of March still no March patch, some people didn't even get Feb patch yet. And the biggest f*** up that Xiaomi did is after android pie update. Wifi Mac has changed, some people got their phone bricked, wifi keeps disconnecting, battery life is super poor (4-5h sot), a lot of bugs I encounter every day, still using 3.18 kernel instead of 4.9 etc. etc.
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Ok so according to you, the best way is to buy the mi 9 se for its hardware and run custom roms on it? That's my secret plan

kagazushi said:
Ok so according to you, the best way is to buy the mi 9 se for its hardware and run custom roms on it? That's my secret plan
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Nah, the only reason why switched to custom for a while is because the wifi problem, everyone is facing this issue. It's disconnects won't won't connect back, and 5ghz wifi speed is very poor.
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kagazushi said:
Ok so according to you, the best way is to buy the mi 9 se for its hardware and run custom roms on it? That's my secret plan
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I want the mi 9 se as a replacement device. I finally want a premium (cut down) flagship phone, and hopefully will last for about 4 years or more.

Looks like I was following a false track. The release from 28th only contained mi 9 and redmi note 7.
There have been a few others sources hinting towards a global launch. For now we just have to wait.

winesh said:
Looks like I was following a false track. The release from 28th only contained mi 9 and redmi note 7.
There have been a few others sources hinting towards a global launch. For now we just have to wait.
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Many AliExpress sellers are accepting pre-sales with some displaying pictures showing stock of the global version. I have placed an order with HK Goldway, I'll update when it's shipped.

Rdavis27 said:
Many AliExpress sellers are accepting pre-sales with some displaying pictures showing stock of the global version. I have placed an order with HK Goldway, I'll update when it's shipped.
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It is also listed on geekbuying for buying, not only for preorder.
6/64 edition for about 330€ after using coupons seems to be quite a good deal.

Pros:
- 6" screen is still enough.
- Amoled screen and non-intrusive notch.
- Size. The device itself is tiny and lightweight.
- Hardware is below flagship, but much better than mid-range.
- Treble enabled, kernel source already released.
Cons:
- MIUI environment is not so friendly.
- dev scene (I hope I am wrong).
- OEM updates.

Flounderist said:
Pros:
- 6" screen is still enough.
- Amoled screen and non-intrusive notch.
- Size. The device itself is tiny and lightweight.
- Hardware is below flagship, but much better than mid-range.
- Treble enabled, kernel source already released.
Cons:
- MIUI environment is not so friendly.
- dev scene (I hope I am wrong).
- OEM updates.
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Miui and oem updates aren't the issue for me.

Ok, so to summerize:
- Small from factor
- Amoled screen
- Indisplay fingerprint
- 4G b20 and b28
- Widevine L1
- 6Gb RAM
A part for the CPU power, it is even more interesting for me than s10e, and for half the price.
So I definetly swap my OnePlus 6 for this device. The last question is where should we buy it to be sure we have the global version?
I saw that honorbuy.com send the right one with even european charger, but a bit expansive...
Fantacy seller on aliexpress? Anyone ever tried?
Thanks.

kagazushi said:
I saw that honorbuy.com send the right one with even european charger, but a bit expansive...
Fantacy seller on aliexpress? Anyone ever tried?
Thanks.
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I would reccomend honorbuy because of european stock and no VAT on delivery (if you are based in Europe).
Devices are shipped with european socket charger.
If you buy on Aliexpress you must check any custom duty that would be added to the shipment in your country.

Buying Samsung Galaxy S9+ instead of Xiaomi Mi 9?

Hello!
In few days I would like to buy a new phone. Right now, in my country, there are massive price drops of SGS9+/ Note 9 prices. So SGS9+ costs 536€ and Note 9 699€.
As You might know, Mi 9 costs about 466€ (6/128 variant). The thing is, that Mi 9 is almost unpossible to get from official distribution. There are only few pieces avalaible for sale every week.
In my opinion Mi 9 only advantages are newest Snapdragon 855, and better look (personal opinion), and under display fingerprint scanner. Camera without OIS is a little bit worrying.
My biggest concerns about SGS9+/Note 9, is Exynos which in benchmarks is slightly slower than Snap 845. But on the other hand I think that camera would be better, and despite being released over year ago (SGS9+), it still can show off with the new technologies.
If Samsung, then question is SGS9+ or Note 9? Note 9 has larger battery, stylus (sounds like a good idea, but in practice can't say how often I would use it) and a little bit telephoto camera. Would You say that it is worth to pay more?
I would like to hear your opinions regarding Samsung devices, and maybe even some of You has comparision to Mi 9
I will be grateful for any recommendations.
Thanks!

pazdzioch564 said:
Hello!
In few days I would like to buy a new phone. Right now, in my country, there are massive price drops of SGS9+/ Note 9 prices. So SGS9+ costs 536€ and Note 9 699€.
As You might know, Mi 9 costs about 466€ (6/128 variant). The thing is, that Mi 9 is almost unpossible to get from official distribution. There are only few pieces avalaible for sale every week.
In my opinion Mi 9 only advantages are newest Snapdragon 855, and better look (personal opinion), and under display fingerprint scanner. Camera without OIS is a little bit worrying.
My biggest concerns about SGS9+/Note 9, is Exynos which in benchmarks is slightly slower than Snap 845. But on the other hand I think that camera would be better, and despite being released over year ago (SGS9+), it still can show off with the new technologies.
If Samsung, then question is SGS9+ or Note 9? Note 9 has larger battery, stylus (sounds like a good idea, but in practice can't say how often I would use it) and a little bit telephoto camera. Would You say that it is worth to pay more?
I would like to hear your opinions regarding Samsung devices, and maybe even some of You has comparision to Mi 9
I will be grateful for any recommendations.
Thanks!
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Go for the phone with the newer snapdragon
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It depends on your usage, if you want a phone with stereo speakers, headphone jack and SD card slot, with higher screen resolution and higher front facing video resolution, and if you care about a more secure iris/face unlock and more reliable physical fingerprint scanner, go for the S9+/Note 9 (depends if you need an S pen). Otherwise go for the Xiaomi Mi 9. Personally, I prefer Samsung's software though. But since you can pay 699€, I recommend you to pay a few more and get the S10e, or wait for the S10 price to drop, it will be much better than the Mi 9...

jamil aboudaher said:
It depends on your usage, if you want a phone with stereo speakers, headphone jack and SD card slot, with higher screen resolution and higher front facing video resolution, and if you care about a more secure iris/face unlock and more reliable physical fingerprint scanner, go for the S9+/Note 9 (depends if you need an S pen). Otherwise go for the Xiaomi Mi 9. Personally, I prefer Samsung's software though. But since you can pay 699€, I recommend you to pay a few more and get the S10e, or wait for the S10 price to drop, it will be much better than the Mi 9...
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Dude on xda bricked his S10 trying to flash twrp on a snapdragon version smh [emoji2357]
[emoji3436]I Willl Scarfice For Those That I Love [emoji3434]

I'd prefer Samsung, they have a better track record, especially on the security and spyware department.

Since you don't have access to the Galaxy so plus with the snapdragon variant that equals to worst camera and battery (I mean on snapdragon you are gonna be able to use the GCam mods with great alogirthm for Better photos, you can use the wide lens camera,better portait pictures etc! And the battery in my experience of the s9 (not the s9+ is just fine I am able t get 2:30hrs of sot time per charge in full HD )

Question Phone life?

Hi, I want to buy a poco f3 next year and I want to know if there are some bugs, like motherboard issues like poco x3 pro. How long does this phone can last ( Phone not battery)?

Rares6567 said:
Hi, I want to buy a poco f3 next year and I want to know if there are some bugs, like motherboard issues like poco x3 pro. How long does this phone can last ( Phone not battery)?
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next year
by the time it becomes next year, sd870 will only be good enough for candy crush
no bugs here, im pretty happy with the phone
only issue is the virtual proximity sensor, i used to cringe at first but then i got used to it

I'm pretty happy with my Poco F3. I installed a Custom ROM on it, but MIUI is also good.
The phone itself, yeah.. everything's cool. The camera is decent for me. Display awesome, 120 Hz OLED. Performance is excellent.
Battery.. depends on your OS, your apps etc, software-stuff ^^ but software-stuff can always be changed.
But MIUI isn't bad in terms of battery, it's normal.
Sound is very nice, especially with Dolby Atmos. You have 2 speakers, so stereo..
Yeah, no issues for me ^^

Also I don't think Poco F3 is "useless" next year. You will still be able to play demanding games, like Genshin Impact etc..
Only being able to play Candy Crush next year, that's a gross overstatement. The Snapdrapon 865+ can do much more than that, I'll tell you that. ^^
I play PlayStation 2 games on my phone. sm00th like butter
and if the price is right, next year. sure you can go for it. But keep Official OS-updates in mind, because Xiaomi will only provide updates for a certain period - At some point they will say: We don't provide OS-updates anymore for Poco F3, but then you can still get Updates through Custom ROMs.
Also keep other phone models in mind next year, maybe a better phone for same price next year? who knows.

Thanks for helping. I did a mistake, when I said next year I mean next month ( January *2023*)

Yup worth considering!
Altho, if I would buy a phone today, I would get a phone with a 5000 mAh battery instead of 4500 mAh, and maybe slightly slower processor, because I find myself not really using the Horse-power of Snapdragon 865+ very much... (yes I play a few games, but not much)
So I would trade bigger battery for slightly slower processor.
But that's just me. If you are a gamer, Poco F3 is excellent.
*However* Poco F3 has excellent Custom ROM-support, there are lots of very stable Android 13 Custom ROMs available.
Other phones may not have as many Custom ROMs available, it all depends on the popularity of the phone. And Poco F3 is very popular. And for best Custom ROM-support, better to get Qualcomm instead of Mediatek.

cyanGalaxy said:
Yup worth considering!
Altho, if I would buy a phone today, I would get a phone with a 5000 mAh battery instead of 4500 mAh, and maybe slightly slower processor, because I find myself not really using the Horse-power of Snapdragon 865+ very much... (yes I play a few games, but not much)
So I would trade bigger battery for slightly slower processor.
But that's just me. If you are a gamer, Poco F3 is excellent.
*However* Poco F3 has excellent Custom ROM-support, there are lots of very stable Android 13 Custom ROMs available.
Other phones may not have as many Custom ROMs available, it all depends on the popularity of the phone. And Poco F3 is very popular. And for best Custom ROM-support, better to get Qualcomm instead of Mediatek.
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What phone do you think it's good, battery and performance? First I wanted to buy a pixel 6a but idk if it's worth it.
And about custom roms on Poco f3 I don't I will install any bc I have an phone that was hard bricked and I don't to destroy the poco too , alse bc i don't know if it containd bugs or unfunctional apps

Rares6567 said:
What phone do you think it's good, battery and performance? First I wanted to buy a pixel 6a but idk if it's worth it.
And about custom roms on Poco f3 I don't I will install any bc I have an phone that was hard bricked and I don't to destroy the poco too , alse bc i don't know if it containd bugs or unfunctional apps
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Somewhere next year Poco F3 will get the last android update and after that about a year of security patches (every 3 months). Personal I wouldn't pick it if you plan to use stock ROM and value updates unless custom ROM is an option.
Custom ROM wise in my opinion it's a very good choice. LineageOS has at the time 3 maintainers for this device (as the only Xiaomi device). I expect the support to last at least a little. IMHO its really difficult to brick the device if you follow the installation manual to the letter.
Compared to Poco X3 pro I really enjoy the AMOLED that keeps the screen very readable in sunlight. I also like the colours and the dark mode but that's subjective.
From my experience Poco F3 tends to last on battery similarly to Poco X3 pro (which has 5.1 k mAh battery) in daily usage, possibly thanks to the amoled screen. Standby will be longer on the poco x3 pro though.
Performance wise its definitely a much better choice compared to pixel 6a that has tensor which is just much less energy efficient and has unstable performance during games.

Rares6567 said:
Hi, I want to buy a poco f3 next year and I want to know if there are some bugs, like motherboard issues like poco x3 pro. How long does this phone can last ( Phone not battery)?
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Poco F3 will be updating for a few more months by Xiaomi and I'll try to aggregate my best guess on it.
As far I remember from some Xiaomi's statement the Poco F3 will receive two full Android upgrades and four main MIUI also. Then Android 11 => 12 and 13 & MIUI 12 => 12.5, 13, 14 and 15.
If I'm right the F3 will be part of .DEV flavour until Q2/Q3 2023 (2 years) and then will receive the last MIUI 15 Stable build based on Android 13 with some occasional security updates by Xiaomi. Probably every 3 months.

wait for the poco F-27z seriously

870 888 8G1 8G1+ 8G2
870 is like 5 generation old now
if it were up to me i would get the 8G2, or atleast an 8G1 or the latest generation 7xxG if im on a budget

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Somewhere next year Poco F3 will get the last android update and after that about a year of security patches (every 3 months). Personal I wouldn't pick it if you plan to use stock ROM and value updates unless custom ROM is an option.
Custom ROM wise in my opinion it's a very good choice. LineageOS has at the time 3 maintainers for this device (as the only Xiaomi device). I expect the support to last at least a little. IMHO its really difficult to brick the device if you follow the installation manual to the letter.
Compared to Poco X3 pro I really enjoy the AMOLED that keeps the screen very readable in sunlight. I also like the colours and the dark mode but that's subjective.
From my experience Poco F3 tends to last on battery similarly to Poco X3 pro (which has 5.1 k mAh battery) in daily usage, possibly thanks to the amoled screen. Standby will be longer on the poco x3 pro though.
Performance wise its definitely a much better choice compared to pixel 6a that has tensor which is just much less energy efficient and has unstable performance during games.
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Thanks. I guess I will buy a 10T pro

Rares6567 said:
What phone do you think it's good, battery and performance? First I wanted to buy a pixel 6a but idk if it's worth it.
And about custom roms on Poco f3 I don't I will install any bc I have an phone that was hard bricked and I don't to destroy the poco too , alse bc i don't know if it containd bugs or unfunctional apps
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Pixels have good camera, but the rest of the specs are mediocre for their price.
I hardbricked my Poco F3 once, but got it restored. I could perhaps help you get your hardbricked Xiaomi back to life, if you still have it.
About good battery & performance... I would pick something from Xiaomi again maybe, because they offer good hardware at cheap price (I don't like the brand but the hardware is good.)
I would probably pick some Redmi or Poco phone, but with 5000 mAh, and Snapdragon-processor. ^^
But.. Poco F3 *is* good, I can tell you that. I'm happy and I will keep my F3 for some years.
If my battery dies at some point, I can easily replace it, because I took my phone apart once already

cyanGalaxy said:
Pixels have good camera, but the rest of the specs are mediocre for their price.
I hardbricked my Poco F3 once, but got it restored. I could perhaps help you get your hardbricked Xiaomi back to life, if you still have it.
About good battery & performance... I would pick something from Xiaomi again maybe, because they offer good hardware at cheap price (I don't like the brand but the hardware is good.)
I would probably pick some Redmi or Poco phone, but with 5000 mAh, and Snapdragon-processor. ^^
But.. Poco F3 *is* good, I can tell you that. I'm happy and I will keep my F3 for some years.
If my battery dies at some point, I can easily replace it, because I took my phone apart once already
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Yea thanks, I think I will buy a Mi 10T Pro or simple

Rares6567 said:
Yea thanks, I think I will buy a Mi 10T Pro or simple
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Hi,
I love my F3, phone has been solid as a rock, yes the Proximity sensor was a bit tricky in the early days, I do miss wireless charging and a SD Card slot like my old LG G7 but you can't compare a Flagship to a mid/budget phone.
I got a great deal here in the UK, £50 off + 2 years Warranty, I`m not a fan of MIUI because i use a Samsung smartwatch as a trusted device but Miui only support xiaomi devices.
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwi73Piwo-37AhWUre0KHbuiBLsYABAIGgJkZw&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESbeD2xFPsiN4CLDsOMHJZuzbQVY0-rj-W1nqPQW3hLf9j5EI5ypwevdigfq24ibjmn6pTTPG_yhuHczmoNd7Oqt5xqIDtQYw2dZ6HjjH_vUJcY64FO1kmD_T6k5dVPP6opGULYqYpXjjPec2xKec&sig=AOD64_0xi3K3HBFIOyIih31mns8mKWITng&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwi8m-uwo-37AhUQhFwKHc17C7UQ9aACKAB6BAgGI looked long and hard before i chose the F3, i wanted good value with great custom rom support, i couldn't be happier.
In life, it`s not about saving money it`s about getting best value for your money, unless money is not a issue.
I hope you make the right choice for you

johnr64 said:
Hi,
I love my F3, phone has been solid as a rock, yes the Proximity sensor was a bit tricky in the early days, I do miss wireless charging and a SD Card slot like my old LG G7 but you can't compare a Flagship to a mid/budget phone.
I got a great deal here in the UK, £50 off + 2 years Warranty, I`m not a fan of MIUI because i use a Samsung smartwatch as a trusted device but Miui only support xiaomi devices.
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwi73Piwo-37AhWUre0KHbuiBLsYABAIGgJkZw&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESbeD2xFPsiN4CLDsOMHJZuzbQVY0-rj-W1nqPQW3hLf9j5EI5ypwevdigfq24ibjmn6pTTPG_yhuHczmoNd7Oqt5xqIDtQYw2dZ6HjjH_vUJcY64FO1kmD_T6k5dVPP6opGULYqYpXjjPec2xKec&sig=AOD64_0xi3K3HBFIOyIih31mns8mKWITng&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwi8m-uwo-37AhUQhFwKHc17C7UQ9aACKAB6BAgGI looked long and hard before i chose the F3, i wanted good value with great custom rom support, i couldn't be happier.
In life, it`s not about saving money it`s about getting best value for your money, unless money is not a issue.
I hope you make the right choice for you
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Yes thanks for your opinion

3zozHashim said:
870 888 8G1 8G1+ 8G2
870 is like 5 generation old now
if it were up to me i would get the 8G2, or atleast an 8G1 or the latest generation 7xxG if im on a budget
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I'd dare to suggest to get at least 8G1+ or 8G2 as 888 and 8G1 are less energy efficient than the 870. They're only better in benchmarks testing temporary peak performance and they use much more energy for it.
In terms of energy efficiency:
8G1 < 888 < 870 < 8G1+ < 8G2

heybaybee said:
I'd dare to suggest to get at least 8G1+ or 8G2 as 888 and 8G1 are less energy efficient than the 870. They're only better in benchmarks testing temporary peak performance and they use much more energy for it.
In terms of energy efficiency:
8G1 < 888 < 870 < 8G1+ < 8G2
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Ok thanks!

I have the Poco F3 for almost a year now. I'm also very happy with it. As john64 said:
johnr64 said:
I love my F3, phone has been solid as a rock, yes the Proximity sensor was a bit tricky in the early days [...]
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I also feel the same. The lack of a true Proximity sensor is weird at best, but given the other benefits the F3 brings to the table (price, reliability, strong dev community, fast cpu/gpu), it's an acceptable trade-off.
All in all, it's a great phone, still worth its value.

henriquemaia said:
I have the Poco F3 for almost a year now. I'm also very happy with it. As john64 said:
I also feel the same. The lack of a true Proximity sensor is weird at best, but given the other benefits the F3 brings to the table (price, reliability, strong dev community, fast cpu/gpu), it's an acceptable trade-off.
All in all, it's a great phone, still worth its value.
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Thanks for your opinion, this helps me so much!