Hi, im bought a bluetooth speaker, a sony xb41 and i cant use it on ldac only on sbc. So there is a way to force to play on ldac? I try to change it on developer options but keep coming back to sbc.
Thanks
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Did you set connection from most stable connection to best audio quality in bluetooth settings of this speaker?
Do the speeker support ldac?
Same problem when pairing Galaxy Buds earphones, it doesn't matter the Bluetooth settings I choose in the developer options, when I check again they are set again to default
BTW does anybody use Galaxy Buds that can recommend me the best codec/settings for our LG G7?
Nobody?
kadyt said:
Same problem when pairing Galaxy Buds earphones, it doesn't matter the Bluetooth settings I choose in the developer options, when I check again they are set again to default
BTW does anybody use Galaxy Buds that can recommend me the best codec/settings for our LG G7?
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Aac is the best but latency on the buds are horrible..
kadyt said:
Same problem when pairing Galaxy Buds earphones, it doesn't matter the Bluetooth settings I choose in the developer options, when I check again they are set again to default
BTW does anybody use Galaxy Buds that can recommend me the best codec/settings for our LG G7?
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You're sort of boned without a Samsung phone which supports their proprietary Samsung Scalable Codec for the Buds. The Buds+ sound excellent using it.
AAC is better than SBC but not as good as SSC.
I never use AAC with the Buds.
Your best bet is to get a Sony or Panasonic product that supports LDAC... or if APTX-HD is supported by your phone this is the best bt codec available.
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Aac is the best but latency on the buds are horrible..
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Thank you. I had read that SBC configured at max bitrate gives better sound quality than AAC, but the problem is that the developer settings for bluetooth seem to have no effect and they always revert back at 16 bits/44.1Hz. I don't knnow if someone has been able to change them in the LG G7. I also read that AAC works fine in Apple but not that good in Android so in Android it's better to use SBC, hence my doubt
I don't care too much about latency as I only use them for music, the best sound quality possible is what I want
blackhawk said:
You're sort of boned without a Samsung phone which supports their proprietary Samsung Scalable Codec for the Buds. The Buds+ sound excellent using it.
AAC is better than SBC but not as good as SSC.
I never use AAC with the Buds.
Your best bet is to get a Sony or Panasonic product that supports LDAC... or if APTX-HD is supported by your phone this is the best bt codec available.
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My doubt is between SBC and AAC that are the only codecs supported both by LG G7 Thinq and Galaxy Buds
You want to use SSC not SBC. The Samsung Scalable Codec sounds much better than SBC.
Buds support SSC.
The Buds+ sound is a lot better than the original Buds. Make sure your Wearables apk and Buds firmware are up to date. Latest update was about 3 weeks ago. Big improvements.
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.wav files audio quality is much better than MP3's.
Original file format matters; never convert .wav files to MP3s or any other format. If that .wav file is a HDCD you will lose the encoding subtext ie degrade the audio quality.
blackhawk said:
You want to use SSC not SBC. The Samsung Scalable Codec sounds much better than SBC.
Buds support SSC.
The Buds+ sound is a lot better than the original Buds. Make sure your Wearables apk and Buds firmware are up to date. Latest update was about 3 weeks ago. Big improvements.
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.wav files audio quality is much better than MP3's.
Original file format matters; never convert .wav files to MP3s or any other format. If that .wav file is a HDCD you will lose the encoding subtext ie degrade the audio quality.
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I only mention SBC and AAC because SSC is not supported by the LG G7 as it is Samsung propietary (this is the LG G7 forum lol)
I ask about the codecs supported by the buds because those are the ones that I have not the buds+ lol (btw offtopic: it's not that clear that the buds+ sound better, see https://crinacle.com/2020/02/19/the-audiophiles-perspective-samsung-galaxy-buds/ and https://crinacle.com/guide/tws/#gbudsplus)
From the replies I'll take that AAC is better than default SBC also in Android, then.
Anyway, coming back to the topic of this thread, maybe someone has been able to change the Bluetooth values in the LG G7 developer options, so I could try SBC with higher bitrates
SBC even at its peak bit rate sucks. AAC is noticeably compressed; I never use either one.
If all you listen to is mp3's the impact is less... but still noticeable.
If you have a hardwire 24 bit digital output option, use it.
Otherwise it's slim pickens... sorry.
In the future pay close attention to the audio chipset (verify it for that model/version) that's used and codecs supported before you buy.
It's a real pain... manufacturers try to gloss these specs over or even give inaccurate information.
Reviews can be inaccurate as well.
HD forums and reviews tend to be best for learning and using audio hardware/software.
Start researching the codecs, buy devices that support the best ones.
Buy only 24 bit or higher resolution music.
Buy HDCDs over CDs if possible; the bare bone minimum acceptable solution.
Never convert a .wav file to any other format.
Learn how to do it right while you are young enough to hear the difference... the clock's ticking. No pressure
If u don't whant to use aac then just add _NOAAC to the name of your buds..
I only use my buds+ for Spotify. If I whant to watch videos I use ny senheiser momentum free 2 with apt-x. Will never bye a Samsung earpice again. Latency is horrible.. Sound is of by almost a half a second
maydayind said:
If u don't whant to use aac then just add _NOAAC to the name of your buds..
I only use my buds+ for Spotify. If I whant to watch videos I use ny senheiser momentum free 2 with apt-x. Will never bye a Samsung earpice again. Latency is horrible.. Sound is of by almost a half a second
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If you don't have a Samsung the Buds+ aren't a good choice because you won't have access to their optimum codec and are stuck with slim pickens.
If you have a Samsung they're a no brainer as they couple well, are easy to use, sound good and are only a Franklin.
A Samsung owner need to pay over twice as much to go to a comparable LDAC based solution.
I don't find the latency normally to be a big issue.
maydayind said:
If u don't whant to use aac then just add _NOAAC to the name of your buds..
I only use my buds+ for Spotify. If I whant to watch videos I use ny senheiser momentum free 2 with apt-x. Will never bye a Samsung earpice again. Latency is horrible.. Sound is of by almost a half a second
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Yes I knew that and that's how I could switch between AAC and SBC. That's why I asked about which one to use in LG G7-Android and how to modify the switches for SBC in the developer options to test the differences and this is what I haven't been able to achieve as they always revert to the default values
So which one do you use for Spotify? AAC or SBC?
Offtopic: Yes I use the buds with Tidal and Spotify and I find them great for music. For video the latency is there but well, I could purchase them brand new at a no brainer price, I don't regret at all
Always use aac. Only use Spotify. No point using tidal when using Bluetooth. It's cant even handle Spotify maximum bandwidth.
Latency on buds+ makes them only usable for audio.. If I whant to watch a video I use my senhizer with apt-x low latency
Use SBC. Miles better than garbage AAC "HD-Audio". Worse than APT-X HD or LDAC though.
AAC is full of artifacts and distortion.
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Hi,
I know the One x outputs Apt-x streo bluetooth. Theres a couple of over the head type headphones that support this. what i'm after is an Apt-X receiver which I can plug my own 3.5mm headphones into. Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
Cheers.
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
evo1rs said:
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
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They are doing just fine
NZtechfreak said:
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
WESBAR said:
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
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If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
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If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
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Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather. From reviews I've read of apt-x sennheiser headphones, it's indistinguishable from wired headphones. I've had several a2dp headphones including ds200 and the quality just isn't there for me. U can definately tell the difference.
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Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather.
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Which is not at all correct, the audio is compressed. The streaming rate is +300kb/s.
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U can definately tell the difference.
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Many phones have poorly implemented standard a2dp, they stream at about 220kb/s, this is something which is will be improved, a +300kb/s standard a2dp stream is also just as good as wired. I know people who have done the comparison.
I was under the impression that AptX uses a different codec too, not SBC.
@pzboyz, is there a way of measuring the A2DP bitrate for a device?
It's ironic I only heard of AptX recently, when I bought a Foxl and opted not to get the Platinum version, thinking that there weren't any implementations of this spec yet. And a month later, it's in my new phone.
Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Yeah I've seen it mentioned on their site too. Got my phone now. Tempted to just order one. They're on ebay for around £26. They do a white version which will match my phone aswell! If these live up to the claims, they'll make a perfect partner to my Shure SE530's which have a short cable which usually runs into an extension piece.
Where did you order yours from?
Ordered mine from Ebay also.
If you order and get yours first let us know how they are!
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Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
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How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
Ordered! Will post a review when it arrives.
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How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
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I'm talking about every smartdevice I've ever owned listening to bluetooth Vs wired (N95, N95 8GB, N82, i8910, HD2, Touch Pro, N97, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation, Galaxy S, Galaxy SII, Galaxy Note, ASUS Transformer and Transformer Prime, Google I/O Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab 7.7) with a large number of headsets DRC-BT15, Moto S805, can't remember the model names but several of Nokia's best BT cans, a few other Sony headsets whose model numbers escape me. Bluetooth audio quality is not equal to wired on any of those devices.
I only mentioned the wired headsets so it's apparent the wired headsets are not the rate limiting step.
I've not tried it with my One X since I don't get it until next week, will be interesting to see is Apt-X lives up to it's billing.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
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Have a look in here.
It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
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It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
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Thanks for the feedback, I have the receiver but won't have my One X till next Wednesday (lucky enough to be getting one for review that I get to keep).
It's meant to be lossless up to ~370kbps according to CSR (the people who developed Apt-X), so I presume for FLAC files you'll start to hear some differences, but for everything up to 320kbps mp3 there shouldn't be any discernible difference if CSR's claims are accurate.
apt-x is a codec used under the a2dp profile.
Hi
In order to clarify a bit. I believe the apt-x is a compression format, which is an extended codec to the a2dp profile of bt.
So you may be comparing apt-x to a range of codecs used under a2dp, where you also find apt-x.
Hope it sort the discussion a bit. And thanks for the input on devices.
Right guys I Love me music and the HOX straight out of the headphone out it's ok. My SGS Voodoo'd kicks its arse out of that water! I'm going to order the HS3000 and test the aptX technology with my TDK BA200 IEMS. To see how it differs.
Will give some feedback once I've had a play with it all.
Anybody ever use this? Know anything about it? I couldn't find much info on it. When I called HTC they said I had to call internationally to get any info on it. It looks like the best deal. For the price about 64 US dollars with shipping(if my math is correct). Buy the way there is a video of it on YouTube of someone using it to take pictures with there one x. I just want to know if this will work with our Samsung. I don't really care if the camera thing doesn't work. I just want to use it in my cars auxiliary port.
www.handtec.co.uk/htc-bluetooth-stereo-headset-black-bh-s600.html
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It will probably do the trick, but....
I was on this quest before for my audio system, I spent hours researching apt-x and compatable recievers (and wondering in my mind why such a great technology has not been more widely implemented), I ended up buying this on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-HS3000-Clip-On-Bluetooth-Stereo-Headset-Headphones-/251003339582
Samsung discontinued it, and it was like $30 last year, but considering the availability of apt-x compatable recievers in the united states (for some reason, Europe has way more) and the amount of time other people have spent using the HS3000 and giving positive feedback, its safe to say that $50 is not that bad.
Thread about it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1711299
I've read that the HTC is "clunky" to use. With an HTC phone, it supposedly is easier for it to connect and use. But with Samsung there were connection issues, as in it would connect but you had to fiddle with it every time you wanted to use it.
Those were just reviews I read though. I have no personal experience with it.
i have the sony mw600 and the samsung hs3000. I even wrote a review about a couple of weeks ago. The mw600 doesn't have apt-x but can go a lot louder then the hs3000.
in dutch:
http://www.themobilerevolution.be/2013/01/review-samsung-hs3000-bluetooth-stereo-headset/
Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the hs 3000. In fact I called samsung and they told me they discontinued it. So I was trying to look for a newer better product but I cant find one. So I may end up getting it anyway.
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Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the hs 3000. In fact I called samsung and they told me they discontinued it. So I was trying to look for a newer better product but I cant find one. So I may end up getting it anyway.
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You should wait if you can. Sony showed the SBH-20 bluetooth headset adapter. Similar to the mw6000 and hs3000. Going to order it when they ship. Should be in February or March.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/stereo-bluetooth-headset-sbh20/#tabs
hydrotherion said:
You should wait if you can. Sony showed the SBH-20 bluetooth headset adapter. Similar to the mw6000 and hs3000. Going to order it when they ship. Should be in February or March.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/stereo-bluetooth-headset-sbh20/#tabs
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Thanks for this. I was also considering the HS3000 but this looks like a contender.
However, the reason I wanted the Samsung is because of apt-x which I do not see listed under the Sony's specs.
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hydrotherion said:
You should wait if you can. Sony showed the SBH-20 bluetooth headset adapter. Similar to the mw6000 and hs3000. Going to order it when they ship. Should be in February or March.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/stereo-bluetooth-headset-sbh20/#tabs
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This looks like a maybe. I just want to make sure its able to use the aptx codec. I webpage didnt say anything about it.
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This looks like a maybe. I just want to make sure its able to use the aptx codec. I webpage didnt say anything about it.
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I have both the mw6000 and hs3000. And the sound qualiry is a little bit better then the sony one but sony does go a lot louder then the samsung one. But the controls on the sony suck but you can disable the phone calling button on the device. You can't do that on the samsung. Very annoying. I would accidently press it and it will call the last person you called. I switched back to the sony because of that.
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Hey guys,
anyone use the BH S600?
ive purchased the samsung hs3000 and i am using it with shure in-ear-headphones, but the quality is worse than the the direct connection per wire(of course, it is better than another bluetooth headset, which is using the SBC-codec).
so i am now thinking about the HTC BH S600?
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i have the sony mw600 and the samsung hs3000. I even wrote a review about a couple of weeks ago. The mw600 doesn't have apt-x but can go a lot louder then the hs3000.
in dutch:
http://www.themobilerevolution.be/2013/01/review-samsung-hs3000-bluetooth-stereo-headset/
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It happened to be I having both stereo bluetooth unit too. In fact I still having Moto S705 and i.Tech 803 before.
Yes Sony MW600 tend to have higher output, but it's also still exhibiting Sony typical V-shape, rough and Hi-Fi sound.
To me pairing Samsung HS3000 with Samsung Galaxy S3/Note2, the default Music Player provide are much better sounding than any 3rd party player under default Nomral EQ setting both on the cellphone and the bluetooth unit. They are by far the most cleanness, livelier and better sounds separation MP3 playback I've heard so far, when side-by-side comparing to Motorola S705, Sony MW600 with the my TDK-200 IEM, and I've remebered i.Tech 803 with Sony MDR-EX500SL did not sounded this good too.
The much better sounding I've think most probably was because the S3/Note2 default Music Player was streaming the audio with aptX codec. Switching to any other 3rd party music players, they did not sounded as clean and livelier. And of course aptX not necessary mean better sound, but in HS3000 case it is.
My impression of Sony stereo BT unit, as with my older Sony MW600, it just sounded so rough when side-by-side comparison to Samsung HS3000. Even i.Tech MC803 and Motorola S705 sounded cleaner than MW600. Maybe I put it this way, my impression about Sony BT was they always sounded too Hi-Fi to me as I've always prefer better musical sounding device.
Btw, even though HS3000 output was around 3dB lower than Sony MW600, but it is still loud enough most of the with time, even with low volume CD directly rip to MP3 or FLAC without boosting volume by 150%.
noise cancellation
I just received a Sony SBH20 in the mail today...
pretty impressed overall. quality is excellent and the NFC capability to pair is pretty rad (though if i'm being honest, once you pair it's not that useful)
However the noise cancellation is non existant...
I'm wondering about the HTC now, if the noise cancellation is any better? Does anyone have the HTC BH S600? Ideally I would connect it into my car speaker - which is not possible with the Sony SBH20.
Cheers.
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It happened to be I having both stereo bluetooth unit too. In fact I still having Moto S705 and i.Tech 803 before.
Yes Sony MW600 tend to have higher output, but it's also still exhibiting Sony typical V-shape, rough and Hi-Fi sound.
To me pairing Samsung HS3000 with Samsung Galaxy S3/Note2, the default Music Player provide are much better sounding than any 3rd party player under default Nomral EQ setting both on the cellphone and the bluetooth unit. They are by far the most cleanness, livelier and better sounds separation MP3 playback I've heard so far, when side-by-side comparing to Motorola S705, Sony MW600 with the my TDK-200 IEM, and I've remebered i.Tech 803 with Sony MDR-EX500SL did not sounded this good too.
The much better sounding I've think most probably was because the S3/Note2 default Music Player was streaming the audio with aptX codec. Switching to any other 3rd party music players, they did not sounded as clean and livelier. And of course aptX not necessary mean better sound, but in HS3000 case it is.
My impression of Sony stereo BT unit, as with my older Sony MW600, it just sounded so rough when side-by-side comparison to Samsung HS3000. Even i.Tech MC803 and Motorola S705 sounded cleaner than MW600. Maybe I put it this way, my impression about Sony BT was they always sounded too Hi-Fi to me as I've always prefer better musical sounding device.
Btw, even though HS3000 output was around 3dB lower than Sony MW600, but it is still loud enough most of the with time, even with low volume CD directly rip to MP3 or FLAC without boosting volume by 150%.
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I was googling for bluetooth receiver with apt-x and came across this new product:
http://www.arcam.co.uk/products,rseries,wireless-dacs,rBlink.htm
for me the digital output feature is a win. But it's way over expensive.
this looks good:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/UPLAY-PUCK-Bluetooth-Receiver-Apt-X-Technology/dp/B003BF0OF2
but no digital out.
hmm.
Best buy sells an aptx stereo receiver that has an optical audio out.
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/de...2&pid=1218679203690&pcatId=pcmcat241600050001
Hi all,
Just wanted to put a thread together to talk around the audio capabilities of the HTC 10. From what I can see, the audio is split up into a couple of different areas:
1) Good quality internal hardware (DAC and separate amps for speakers and earphone),
2) Powerful two way speaker setup,
3) Better than normal earphones to take advantage of the hardware, and
4) Good quality software with the Personal Audio Profile System.
5) There is also Airplay support for those with 3rd party airplay speakers.
What hardware are people currently using (earphones, headphones, portable amps, portable usb DAC's)? When the phone is released, it will be good to get peoples impressions and reviews. Also to understand how different hardware affects those experiences (ie. different earphones work better or worse with this phone)??? Also, could this phone be good enough to take you away from dedicated hardware you might have (proper portable music players)?
One thing that I have noted which I haven't seen noted anywhere else is the Personal Audio Profile System being the same as what Aumeo has/is coming out with with their device (click here).
I personally have a couple of pairs of AKG over ear headphones and a pair of Flare R2Pro in-ear phones. Once I get my HTC, I will compare them with the hi-res ear-phones they come with and share my thoughts.
Open questions:
1) What DAC's are being used? What is inbuilt from Qualcomm or specialist 3rd party hardware?
2) What type of 3.5mm connector is being used (AHJ or OMTP), we believe AHJ based on previous HTC phones but could do with confirming)
rav101 said:
Hi all,
Just wanted to put a thread together to talk around the audio capabilities of the HTC 10. From what I can see, the audio is split up into a couple of different areas: 1) Good quality internal hardware (DAC and separate amps for speakers and earphone), 2) Powerful two way speaker setup, 3) better than normal earphones to take advantage of the hardware, and 4) Good quality software with the Personal Audio Profile System. Over these, there is the point that it works with Airplay which has a lot of support in terms of the 3rd party speaker market.
Just curious to see how people feel about the Audio capabilities of the 10 and whether that might be enough to take you away from dedicated hardware if you current use that?
One thing that I have noted which I haven't seen noted anywhere else is the Personal Audio Profile System being the same as what Aumeo has/is coming out with with their device (click here).
I currently have a couple of AKG over ears which I can't drive directly from my LG G4 without having a portable amp in the middle. I also have a pair of Flare R2Pro in ear phones that are quite hard to drive. Can't wait to test these out with the 10 when it comes out!!!
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The 10 recognizes that you have plugged (wired) earphones into the jack and offers you two options for customization, a 'quick question' method and a more detailed method that requires listening to tones on left then right in different frequency ranges. You then have the option to 'save' the audio profile for those earphones. If you plug a different set of earphones in, the device recognizes it and offers you to use the existing profile or create a new one (you can store multiple profiles). This does not work with BT earphones, by the way.
The sound is superior to anything I've ever heard on any audio device. It can make cheap earphones sound good (although I recommend at least midrange earphones), and with decent earphones (I use a Shure pair) it's terrific.
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The 10 recognizes that you have plugged (wired) earphones into the jack and offers you two options for customization, a 'quick question' method and a more detailed method that requires listening to tones on left then right in different frequency ranges. You then have the option to 'save' the audio profile for those earphones. If you plug a different set of earphones in, the device recognizes it and offers you to use the existing profile or create a new one (you can store multiple profiles). This does not work with BT earphones, by the way.
The sound is superior to anything I've ever heard on any audio device. It can make cheap earphones sound good (although I recommend at least midrange earphones), and with decent earphones (I use a Shure pair) it's terrific.
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That's awesome news that it does this for wired earphones!
Which pair of Shure earphones do you use? And other than these headphones, have you had a chance to try them with any other different sets of earphones?? Have you had a chance to try them with any over ear headphones, ones that might be harder to drive?
Whilst I have your attention. Have you had a play around with different audio formats / qualities? MP3 vs 24bit FLAC to see how much of a difference this makes on this setup?
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Ravi
rav101 said:
That's awesome news that it does this for wired earphones!
Which pair of Shure earphones do you use? And other than these headphones, have you had a chance to try them with any other different sets of earphones?? Have you had a chance to try them with any over ear headphones, ones that might be harder to drive?
Whilst I have your attention. Have you had a play around with different audio formats / qualities? MP3 vs 24bit FLAC to see how much of a difference this makes on this setup?
Regards,
Ravi
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I don't drive with earphones on (that's illegal here).
I have used the Personal Audio Profiles on 3 different pairs of earphones; a test set supplied with the test phone, Shure e3c's and an over-the-ear Audio-Technica pair. The Shure's and the test earphones are the best. The test earphones are my current daily (and may well be what comes in the box for some models, but I don't know because they don't tell us).
How do the speakers sound? As good as HTC One M7/8/9? Better?
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I don't drive with earphones on (that's illegal here).
I have used the Personal Audio Profiles on 3 different pairs of earphones; a test set supplied with the test phone, Shure e3c's and an over-the-ear Audio-Technica pair. The Shure's and the test earphones are the best. The test earphones are my current daily (and may well be what comes in the box for some models, but I don't know because they don't tell us).
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Sorry, to clarify when I say 'harder to drive' I mean over ear headphones that have a higher impedance. In this case, on other less powerful music players (or other phones), the headphones sound quiet even at max volume.
Trying to find out if it will have aptx hd enabled but no info. Also air play to aiport to dac should sound pretty decent
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I am excited to see the phones response ranges in a test.
Would be cool to have my vinyl rips playing as good as it can get without a $1000 DAP.
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I am excited to see the phones response ranges in a test.
Would be cool to have my vinyl rips playing as good as it can get without a $1000 DAP.
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Now that the embargo has lifted, I presume we will start seeing more in depth reviews and those should hopefully include more detailed audio tests.
I use a fiio e12 to amp my current phone (LG G4). Nothing fancy but pretty sure the HTC 10 will do much better than that setup now. :victory:
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Trying to find out if it will have aptx hd enabled but no info. Also air play to aiport to dac should sound pretty decent
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I am curious about this too as i will be buying the new lg bluetooth headset.
The audio is one of the main reason why I want this beast!
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Me too! I own a pair of mid-to-top range RHA T10 and I am really anticipating how these will sound with the HTC 10. I am a audiophile and the sound quality is really important to me.
My last two phone's have been the HTC M8 and LG G4. I have found that I use my phone less for music now that I'm using the G4 than the M8 and its because I just enjoy it less. Can't wait to hear how these sound with a good pair of earphones.
Audio Jack
Does anyone know what kind of audio jack standard the HTC 10 will use? Is it AHJ or OMTP?
Then i'll know if I can use the inline controls of my RHA T20i's as currently with my HTC m8.
Edit: Btw - I strongly advise using the Neutron app if you want high-end music. Already supports FLAC but last update also added DSD support for the SACD fanatics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp
Hopefully USB Audio works as well! Have they mentioned that at all?
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Does anyone know what kind of audio jack standard the HTC 10 will use? Is it AHJ or OMTP?
Then i'll know if I can use the inline controls of my RHA T20i's as currently with my HTC m8.
Edit: Btw - I strongly advise using the Neutron app if you want high-end music. Already supports FLAC but last update also added DSD support for the SACD fanatics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp
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Found this.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...87-note-headset-standards-omtp-ahj-apple.html
Says HTC uses AHJ...
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Found this.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...87-note-headset-standards-omtp-ahj-apple.html
Says HTC uses AHJ...
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Why on EARTH is there more than one? This would be standardized now days like USB...
Is the audio upconversion/upsampling BS something that can be disabled from settings?
I am happy with the sound quality of the 10 through the speakers as well as through the jack
What type of DAC is in the HTC 10? Because just amping the Qualcomm native DAC won't result in clean awesome audio, just louder. I'm hoping is cirrus/Wolfson or Ess Sabre premium DAC's
Anyone use headphones, not ear buds? Thinking of good Bluetooth headphones that work with the Pixel 2.
Cheap and cheerful, but they work well. It has quite possibly the "best" Chinese accented voice guide for pairing in the world.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B073JFHVW6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bose Quietcomfort 35 works great with my Pixel 2.
With the support of high def bluetooth codec from Oreo, I would go for something that has APT-X support at least. LDAC would be even better but the choices are limited for now.
I use my good old SBH-80 (APT-X), and MDR-1000X (LDAC).
For high quality, you might consider Astell & Kern XB10 aptX HD bluetooth converter for wired headphones. Despite it being bluetooth, sounds better with Pixel 2 than any wired phone connection I have ever had.
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Bose Quietcomfort 35 works great with my Pixel 2.
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After seeing all the praise on the web, I bought QC35 II. This is something I'd not suggest, except if you plan to use it ONLY for listening to music, as the bluetooth lag is terrible. Around 0.5 sec lag makes games unplayable, and videos unwatchable. I think it's a shame that Bose couldn't implement aptX LL, especially considering the price of this piece of.... wonder.
Also a QC35 II for sale here, perfectly new, only tested once.
Using the Cowin E7, they fluctuate between $39 on sale and around $70 when not on Amazon. Last a very long time, very comfy good sound. I started using them instead of ear-muffs in the freezing weather
I just bought the i.tech H2 which supports aptx-HD and LDAC, they cost about $105. They sound awesome with my Pixel 2.http://www.itechdynamic.com/list_of_products/prostereoh2/
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After seeing all the praise on the web, I bought QC35 II. This is something I'd not suggest, except if you plan to use it ONLY for listening to music, as the bluetooth lag is terrible. Around 0.5 sec lag makes games unplayable, and videos unwatchable. I think it's a shame that Bose couldn't implement aptX LL, especially considering the price of this piece of.... wonder.
Also a QC35 II for sale here, perfectly new, only tested once.
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$200 and I'm risking it
The QC35 II is probably great for airplane duty with 20 hours of battery life and Bose legendary noise cancelling technology. My only reservation would be that it doesn't include a higher bit rate Bluetooth codec. LDAC does make a difference.
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$200 and I'm risking it
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Luckily it was from an eBay seller, so I could send it back. Felt like ****, first time in my life had I send back something like that.
In the meantime I tried Sony's newest LDAC headphones in a store, but lag was quite the same. So for me it seems currently there is no viable alternative for wired headsets, at least through Bluetooth.
Get the ear-studio from radsone with aptxhd and a pair of Sennheiser hd25. This combo sounds way way better than any bluetooth headphones out there. It even sounds far better than most consumer head phones with cable connection.
Edit: some links.
https://sv-se.sennheiser.com/hd25
https://www.ear-studio.com/
I bought 2 of these (one for me and one for the wife)
Bluedio T2s Bluetooth Headphones On Ear with Mic, 57mm Driver Rotary Folding Wireless Headset, Wired and Wireless headphones for Cell Phone/ TV/ PC, 40 Hours Play Time (Black) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00Q2VIW9M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_FMCGAb4RDD9P8
I bought the black one and blue for my wife. Blue looks better in my opinion.
Great sound for the price!
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Luckily it was from an eBay seller, so I could send it back. Felt like ****, first time in my life had I send back something like that.
In the meantime I tried Sony's newest LDAC headphones in a store, but lag was quite the same. So for me it seems currently there is no viable alternative for wired headsets, at least through Bluetooth.
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I have tried my new i.tech H2 earbuds in several modes, aptx, aptx-HD, and LDAC. LDAC sounds better to me than aptx-HD by quite a margin, I'm very impressed, the DAC in those headphones is excellent. I just needed to get some good rubber eartip replacements, they make a big difference also.
Lag is another issue. I experimented with the three codecs and came to the conclusion that LDAC and aptx-HD were about the same for that. The lag is still much less than SBC but if you are sensitive to it like I am then it is still noticeable. I did find that after I sideloaded the February security patch the lag seemed less...maybe it's just a headfake, I don't know. These earbuds sound so good that I can live with a little bit of lag, without a headphone jack, the other options are a bit of a hassle.
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Lag is another issue. I experimented with the three codecs and came to the conclusion that LDAC and aptx-HD were about the same for that. The lag is still much less than SBC but if you are sensitive to it like I am then it is still noticeable. I did find that after I sideloaded the February security patch the lag seemed less...maybe it's just a headfake, I don't know. These earbuds sound so good that I can live with a little bit of lag, without a headphone jack, the other options are a bit of a hassle.
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Sound was pristine with both headphones, I was amazed by the noise cancellation too. But the lag is not a compromise I can live with.
There are more and more quality games on Android I'd love to try, some with amazing sounds. But when the sound comes half second after you jump, shoot, or even just click....... you can imagine. Hard to believe I don't see much more people finding this unacceptable. Or they just still have the jack, I don't know.
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Luckily it was from an eBay seller, so I could send it back. Felt like ****, first time in my life had I send back something like that.
In the meantime I tried Sony's newest LDAC headphones in a store, but lag was quite the same. So for me it seems currently there is no viable alternative for wired headsets, at least through Bluetooth.
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I can confirm that my headphones using LDAC or aptx-HD still have a bit of lag. I am quite sensitive to lag while watching TV on my phone. I find it minimal though, maybe with gaming it is more obvious or maybe the headphones make a difference. I'll check another pair of headphones I have with standard aptx and compare the lag to my new ones.
Got myself a pair of JBL E55BTs for 100EUR. Sound is decent and lag is barely noticeable to the point I start doubting it's there at all.
This morning I did a test with two of my new bluetooth headsets, the i.tech M2 and the Meizu EP52. The M2 sounds better and can play aptx, aptx-HD and LDAC. LDAC sounds the best but after testing lag carefully from the same source, aptx has the least amount of lag by quite a margin. Then I tried the EP52, the best codec they support is aptx so I compared them with the M2 in aptx mode. I was surprised and disappointed to discover that the EP52 had practically no lag at all and the M2, which sounds better, still had some lag using aptx. The moral to the story is that aptx seems to have the least lag and that lag time is headphone specific.
For those that aren't aware of it, with the Pixel 2 you can force the codec by going to settings-system-developer options and scroll down to the bluetooth codec area. The M2 defaults to LDAC, I needed to manually switch it to aptx in the menu. The EP52 defaults to aptx since that is the best codec that it supports.
To activate developer options go to settings-system-about phone-then tap on build number multiple times until it grants you developer status. You will then find develper options under settings-system.
and I hear a lot of music about the Tidal music streaming app in hi-fi subscription. The service inherently brings a very good sound quality with it. I would prefer to use the original quality of Tidal and the dac, so that the sound is even clearer and fuller. but sincerely I would like to change the sound nothing. Unfortunately, but does the normal equalizer with its stupid default profiles and the dac can also take only preset profiles. that breaks the good sound quality of Tidal. I would like to use the dac as an amplifier, but not with soundprofiles, but this reinforces the good quality of Tidal (fuller and clearer sound). could one solve that in future over costum Rome? maybe even without root.
I would be very grateful to you for serious advice.
can someone give me a tip or advice?
Hey! I use Tidal everyday with my V30, I'll be upgrading to the G7 soon though. In a nutshell, it's worth it, but only if you have the appropriate headphones to benefit from the DAC. The V30 and soon to be G7 was the first phone to be MQA supported, meaning it can fully take advantage of the MQA encoding used on Tidal's master quality tracks which sounds jaw dropping. Tell me the headphones you currently use because, they need to be over 50 ohms of impedance to fully utilize the DAC; but in short, it's completely worth it because, of its quad DAC / AMP. If you need headphone suggestions, that will fully utilize the phones capabilities; just say how much money you're willing to spend and I'll give you a good recommendation. To answer your question, I didn't find a way to disable the custom filters, however; I think I might've found a way to do so, just give me some time. For the most full sound, use the 'Short' profile, it's the least intrusive.