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Cyanogen Camera Next is a camera designed to work on Cyangen OS. This camera has been successfully ported to other devices by abhi08638 .
This is a excellent camera and also it supports 23MP.
Download
Cyanogen Next Camera ( Mod ) Link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3330357&d=1432526944
Install And Enjoy
Please Hit Thanks If You Like The Camera
Thank You !
Orginal Thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/themes-apps/app-cos12-cameranextmod-t3086513
tried it and it's a great app! thanks
Seems to be quite responsive, ty.
kevinwu128 said:
tried it and it's a great app! thanks
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Always Welcome
MatMew said:
Seems to be quite responsive, ty.
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I have installed this version on my Redmi note 5 (pixel experience ROM 8.1 oreo) and all things are working perfectly even front camera portrait mode also working like a charm.
Link in comments section.
Credit goes to the developer of this version. Thanks
* it's working perfectly in Resurrection remix 6.0 ROM (8.1 Oreo) too. (Tested)
Here is the link-
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/MGCamera_5.1.0.18_R4X_v.5.1.5.apk
Portait mode does not work for me. Redmi 5 Plus Lineage OS 15.1, 8.1 OREO.
GSR0099 said:
I have installed this version on my Redmi note 5 and all things are working perfectly even front camera portrait mode also working like a charm.
Link in comments section.
Credit goes to the developer of this version. Thanks
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Better share details of rom u using. Are u on custom Oreo 8.1 or stock MIUI Nougat ?
n0_xQuZe said:
Portait mode does not work for me. Redmi 5 Plus Lineage OS 15.1, 8.1 OREO.
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I am using pixel experience ROM (8.1 oreo) currently and it's working superb.
Rajeev said:
Better share details of rom u using. Are u on custom Oreo 8.1 or stock MIUI Nougat ?
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Pixel experience ROM (8.1 oreo)
GSR0099 said:
Pixel experience ROM (8.1 oreo)
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Any force close or something?
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Any force close or something?
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Not yet. I am using this ROM for 5 days and it's working fine but battery drains a little bit faster in my case.
GSR0099 said:
Not yet. I am using this ROM for 5 days and it's working fine but battery drains a little bit faster in my case.
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I mean any force close in GCam
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I mean any force close in GCam
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No force closes bro.
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No force closes bro.
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Okey bro
Rajeev said:
Okey bro
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Just configure camera HDR+ to Nexus 6 HDR+ auto
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Just configure camera HDR+ to Nexus 6 HDR+ auto
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Thank you buddy. Works perfect.
I have been using this developers GCam for months now, the newer updates started introducing alot of noise in the pictures.
So i switched back to version 4.5, and in this version the front flash is working as well which is perfect.
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Thank you buddy. Works perfect.
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Welcome bro. But I feel pictures are a little bit grainy. What do you think?
stole38 said:
I have been using this developers GCam for months now, the newer updates started introducing alot of noise in the pictures.
So i switched back to version 4.5, and in this version the front flash is working as well which is perfect.
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Everything is working fine but yeah I do agree that pictures are a little bit grainy.
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Everything is working fine but yeah I do agree that pictures are a little bit grainy.
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Did u try latest Arnova 7.9.8? Fix for Note 5/Plus ( HDR+, Slow-motion and Portrait). I don't have redmi now. I am using 5T. Can u test?
Steps out a lot with a mistake for me, Xiaomi EU there is rom above.
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Everything is working fine but yeah I do agree that pictures are a little bit grainy.
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Trust me the difference is staggering between 4.5 and the 5.x versions. Little grainy doesn't do it justice, all the normal and low light photos have an excessive amount of noise, even the algorithm cannot remove them , it leaves purple residue on the photos it just looks awful.
can i see your setting ? i I have done that but it did not work
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Just configure camera HDR+ to Nexus 6 HDR+ auto
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ma front camera portrait mode is black when i take a pic
The last thread named "GCam ports for Galaxy S9/S9+" was very helpfull but got archived for whatever reason, so now, i'm rebooting it to help every Galaxy S9 (S9+) owner to find a GCAM port.
There are a lot of APK downloads and disposed all around the internet and the problem is not all of em work, so if everyone that has a certain working version on a certain config (Processor/Android Version) posts it here, it'll be the biggest repository of GCAM ports for the Galaxy S9 on all variants. Come on guys, we can do it !
Google Camera ports Repository:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/
Reddit thread :
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS9/comments/egnzi2/gcam_ports_for_galaxy_s9s9_thread_reboot/
I have the S9+ exynos, pie, no root and these four Gcam ports worked for me
arnova8G2
GCam_6.1.021_Advanced_V1.4.032219.1950.apk
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2/
I loaded this vkboy_S9_S9Plus_Note9_Exynos.xml
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/configs-arnova-01/
https://mackytravel.com/working-gcam-port-for-samsung-s10-exynos/
I've only tried the day version (GCam_5.1.018.177470874 IDan) which worked fine in day shots.
IDan
GCam_5.1.018.177470874.41362666_IDan_N6_3.5_fix.apk
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-idan/
Arnova8G2
Gcam 6.1.021 1.4.031819.1700build night sight version works
https://mackytravel.com/gcam-6-1-night-sight-samsung-s10-exynos/
is the gcam idan 3.5_fix (android 9) also 100% working with android 10 (galaxy s9+ exynos) ? because im still running android oreo and thinkning about an upgrade to android 10. but a working gcam from idan is a must! thanks in advance best whishes.
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is the gcam idan 3.5_fix (android 9) also 100% working with android 10 (galaxy s9+ exynos) ? because im still running android oreo and thinkning about an upgrade to android 10. but a working gcam from idan is a must! thanks in advance best whishes.
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yes, i'm using idan fix 3.5 on Android 10; other versions listed on https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/ however are not working at all for me, 5.1.018 is the last working version i can find for GCam
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yes, i'm using idan fix 3.5 on Android 10; other versions listed on https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/ however are not working at all for me, 5.1.018 is the last working version i can find for GCam
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Thx! Is it working 100%? Because then I'd maybe consider an upgrade. is it with a10 possible to move the clock in the notification bar to the right side? Do you think it was worth it to upgrade? Especially in terms of camera quality, or is it just "normal". I only want to upgrade if there are huge improvements . I also don't like the look of One UI actually.
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Thx! Is it working 100%? Because then I'd maybe consider an upgrade. is it with a10 possible to move the clock in the notification bar to the right side? Do you think it was worth it to upgrade? Especially in terms of camera quality, or is it just "normal". I only want to upgrade if there are huge improvements . I also don't like the look of One UI actually.
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Samsung have an app on the galaxy store that allow you to customise clock location, nav bar icons, notifications, recents etc. Its called Good Lock. You can use it on any samsung (as far as i know) phone with OneUI. To change clock position, you then pick QuickStar inside Good Lock.
I'm using 6.2.024 for Snapdragon
I still think this is one of the best sources for information for S9/S9+ users.
Cyanogenmod
It has good default settings for both processors.
mbdroidsony said:
I have the S9+ exynos, pie, no root and these four Gcam ports worked for me
arnova8G2
GCam_6.1.021_Advanced_V1.4.032219.1950.apk
I loaded this vkboy_S9_S9Plus_Note9_Exynos.xml
I've only tried the day version (GCam_5.1.018.177470874 IDan) which worked fine in day shots.
IDan
GCam_5.1.018.177470874.41362666_IDan_N6_3.5_fix.apk
Arnova8G2
Gcam 6.1.021 1.4.031819.1700build night sight version works
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How did you make these versions work? Only the configs? IDan's version isn't really rich of features and all of Arnova's apks are extremely overexposed for me (photos are almost completely white) and the according configs only fix the lag of the preview for me. Did you modify any other settings?
Thats great!
Will you please provide the link of that working apk on android 10 one ui 2.0 (EXYNOS) with the supporting files (if any)?
Thanks in advance..
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Thats great!
Will you please provide the link of that working apk on android 10 one ui 2.0 (EXYNOS) with the supporting files (if any)?
Thanks in advance..
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Idan 3.5 fix works well on android 10
cwerl said:
How did you make these versions work? Only the configs? IDan's version isn't really rich of features and all of Arnova's apks are extremely overexposed for me (photos are almost completely white) and the according configs only fix the lag of the preview for me. Did you modify any other settings?
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No i didn't modify anything.
The versions at mackytravel are modified for day time only or night time only. If i used the night time only versions during the day i would get all white as well.
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Thats great!
Will you please provide the link of that working apk on android 10 one ui 2.0 (EXYNOS) with the supporting files (if any)?
Thanks in advance..
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I also need the same.
Samsung Galaxy s9 plus xynose gcam
please provide the working apk for Samsung galaxy
s9 plus running android 10 one ui 2.0 (EXYNOS) with the supporting files ...
Thank you.
goravk115 said:
I also need the same.
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please provide the working apk for Samsung galaxy
s9 plus running android 10 one ui 2.0 (EXYNOS) with the supporting files ...
Thank you.
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Links are provided on the first page second post. You can use Idan's 3.5 fix version, only features that doesn't work are the front cam hdr+ and portrait mode. We don't have night sight in this version though, but provides the most stable version for exynos s9.
Hi,
I have seen the links on the first page but I still have problems finding the correct version.
I see specific links for older versions that should work with a Samsung S9+but I'm looking for release 7.3 with support of xml config files and for the Exynos processor.
If I install the version from Arnova 7.3.021 it always immediately stops hen launching.
I found lot of versions on other places but a version is working on Exynos is hard to find.
There also seems to be fix for non-rooted phones to get the front camera working.
If possible I like to have version 7.3.
Can you point me in the right direction or give me another link where I can find the information
I am currently running ZGcam, it has working night sight, portrait mode, hdr+ enhanced... supports xml configs. You can find it on zgcam official webpage
VenomB13 said:
I am currently running ZGcam, it has working night sight, portrait mode, hdr+ enhanced... supports xml configs. You can find it on zgcam official webpage
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What libs do you recommend?
For s9 or note9, probably my custom libs, also turn the saturation of shadows from 1.1 to 1.0, keep the awb on
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/167QdnYE7lR9Dtt5HENxiyzgfAYPes1sX?usp=sharing
Front Camera freezing
Switching to the front camera in picture mode leads to freezing of the camera. Switching back to the main camera releases the freezing. This happens only in pictures mode, not in video mode.
Anyone having the same issue?
Using ZGCAM 7.4 and the configuration N9Z69 from https://koopahtmaniac.com/detail_devices.php?DID=2
Lineage 17.1, no gapps, with https://github.com/lukaspieper/Gcam-Services-Provider installed
Hi all,
I found a working 8.1 GCAM. I used it on my S9, running ArrowOS 12.1 and found no issues.
Eric
I searched a new phone with good ROM support. After some readings of XDA's threads, I just bought RN8Pro, waited a week for unlocking and tried few ROMs.
It ended up that some newer RN8Pro has a slighty different front camera's hardware that is not actually supported by custom ROMs, as it has been discussed in some threads (like this one : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...xperience-official-aosp.4059977/post-83570951 )
I didn't saw this information before buying, so maybe it is useful that this will be more visible to people who want to buy this phone.
If you have some news about fixing front camera, feel free to respond.
That is a problem that I also face
The front camera does not work on any MIUI with Android 9. But on MIUI with Android 10 it works well...
The problem is that every ROM requires me downgrade to MIUI with Android 9.
Same problem here.
Bought 2 devices 2 weeks ago, unlocked a few days ago and installed crdroid 6.11.
Front camera is not working, GCam crashes on start.
On another device, bought in october the front camera works well with GCam and other camera apps.
Hopefully someone finds a quick fix.
If this camera is a different model, can we identify it using AIDA64?
In AIDA64 -> Peripherals , mine says Samsung ISOCell S5K3T1. I don't know if this is the new model.
EDIT: I read that it's a new revision of the same model so I think this "method" won't work.
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EDIT: I read that it's a new revision of the same model so I think this "method" won't work.
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I read that too.
Same hardware for me : Samsung ISOCell S5K3T1
Gwynned said:
I read that too.
Same hardware for me : Samsung ISOCell S5K3T1
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Did your front camera work in custom roms?
My sensor is too Samsung ISOCell S5K3T1 and not work on Android 9 with MIUI and custom roms.
Same case for me, the front camera is "Samnsung ISOCell S5K3T1" and I installed evolution X 4.7 and everything works except the front camera, how sad, I haven't found a way to make it work. I asked in an official rn8pro telegram channel and they only told me to stay in Rom Stock with miui until Xiaomi releases the firmware code for these new sensors. The newer rn8pro devices are the ones that have this problem since their front camera sensors are new.
It seems I have the same problem. I wasn aware of that when buying!
I tried the Roms:
Pixel Experience
Evolution
crDroid
Same result on all Roms, everything works except the front camera. As soon as I install another cam app like Gcam, it crashes.
I wish I knew this before buying Note 8 Pro
I hate MIUI, I was going to flash custom ROM as soon as possible. But... Revolut doesn't work without selfie camera. I hope I can relock bootloader and return the phone.
The strange thing is that no custom rom developer can solve this problem
+1 for me being a victim of this new front camera module!
Given the situation right now I/we have to compromise. Working front camera with MIUI (it's unusable for me and I've tried) or no working front camera + custom ROM.
I chose the latter (Pixel Experience 10).
If I do need a front camera I'll have to get my LG G2 (LineageOS 16.0).
Either Xiaomi releases the code for the new front camera module or it leaks somehow. Whichever comes faster.
Compass.
I have also the same Problem.
Samsung ISOcell S5KGW1
Same problem here. Does it need just a rebuild with a more recent kernel? Anybody have any advice how to start that?
camccar said:
Same problem here. Does it need just a rebuild with a more recent kernel? Anybody have any advice how to start that?
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Same question here!
What I can confirm that the newest Pixel Experience ROM has the selfie cam working perfectly, I am just not a friend of that level of Google integration.
So I guess we have to wait for one of the other maintainers to take a stab at this, or try it ourself ...
I guess it's a lot more than linking some new libraries, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, maybe a howto, that would be much appreciated.
Greetings
hoshy42
hoshy42 said:
Same question here!
What I can confirm that the newest Pixel Experience ROM has the selfie cam working perfectly, I am just not a friend of that level of Google integration.
So I guess we have to wait for one of the other maintainers to take a stab at this, or try it ourself ...
I guess it's a lot more than linking some new libraries, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, maybe a howto, that would be much appreciated.
Greetings
hoshy42
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Wow thats super good news !!! Thanks for sharing
hoshy42 said:
Same question here!
What I can confirm that the newest Pixel Experience ROM has the selfie cam working perfectly, I am just not a friend of that level of Google integration.
So I guess we have to wait for one of the other maintainers to take a stab at this, or try it ourself ...
I guess it's a lot more than linking some new libraries, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, maybe a howto, that would be much appreciated.
Greetings
hoshy42
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I was curious about that rom, and just about to try it out.
Thanks for the confirmation.
But i dunno anymore what is better miui 12 or pixel experience?
hoshy42 said:
Same question here!
What I can confirm that the newest Pixel Experience ROM has the selfie cam working perfectly, I am just not a friend of that level of Google integration.
So I guess we have to wait for one of the other maintainers to take a stab at this, or try it ourself ...
I guess it's a lot more than linking some new libraries, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, maybe a howto, that would be much appreciated.
Greetings
hoshy42
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+1
The front camera is working with Pixel Experience 11 (Build: 16th of march of 2021).
I installed Pixel Experience 11 today and the front camera works (didn't crash so far either).
Compass.
Front camera is also working on HyconExperience 1.0.
Any suggestions for fix nusantara 3.1
Any one try this
For Devices which have new camera sensor and not working front camera in any Non Cfw roms.
This fix will make your front camera working in any Non Cfw roms.
Steps:- go to twrp and flash
1. MiUi12- kernelsupport
2. boot.img
If you feel crashing only than flash
3. Permissiver
hi everyone, I'm here to share my absolutely positive experience with Resurrection Remix Q compiled by @RobotHanzo, it's just (almost) perfect for me.
After a week of test, i can say: everything works properly.
~Ril
~Data
~GPS (perfectly, setting "only device")
~fingerprint sensor (even after each reboot), very quick response
~NFC
~face unlock
~LTE + (plus) is working (at least the indicator)
~perfect functionality of double SIM implementation
~incredibly there's a gcam reasonably working (only on perfect brightness condition, only back camera of course):
MGC_8.3.252_V0e_Arnova_V5.apk.
*the shot is more fast Of The stock installed android.camera2.
Just 2 little (for me) bugs:
A) a single SIM is not disabling.
B) the level on SIM indicator is stating at low value.
Rarely in my experience I've found a cusRom (even specifically, officially dedicated) more stable of this so, after a week of test my impressions is absolutely amazing, no lags, no app crashes, no reboot, at all!
Resurrection Remix Q GSI - Browse /old/20210831(8.7.2) at SourceForge.net
Resurrection Remix Q GSI - Browse /old/20210831(8.7.2) at SourceForge.net
The download site of Resurrection Remix Q GSI
sourceforge.net
Gcam:
BSG: MGC_8.3.252_V0e_Arnova_V5
BSG: MGC_8.3.252_V0e_Arnova_V5
Download MGC_8.3.252_V0e_Arnova_V5 by BSG.
www.celsoazevedo.com
Thanks for this very accurate work to @RobotHanzo
Sorry for my poor English.
autokoise said:
incredibly there's a gcam reasonably working (only on perfect brightness condition, only back camera of course):
MGC_8.3.252_V0e_Arnova_V5.apk.
*the shot is more fast Of The stock installed android.camera2.
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and what about the photo quality?
Imo the best camera for Hua devices under GSI ROMs is Footej Camera2-Premium. If you want to try it, click here .
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and what about the photo quality?
Imo the best camera for Hua devices under GSI ROMs is Footej Camera2-Premium. If you want to try it, click here .
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On good light conditions, during daylight especially, the results Of The main camera (back camera only) only in HDR+ (killer feature of gCam), is reasonably better!
In low light conditions there are heavy problems of incorrect saturation:
On the left an example of stock (custom Rom) camera, on the right the gcam Cam I've found reasonably working.
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and what about the photo quality?
Imo the best camera for Hua devices under GSI ROMs is Footej Camera2-Premium. If you want to try it, click here .
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now I'm gonna try footej you suggest, thanks!
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and what about the photo quality?
Imo the best camera for Hua devices under GSI ROMs is Footej Camera2-Premium. If you want to try it, click here .
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Footej is absolutely better of stock camera present by default on custom rom ( com.android.camera2), just in terms of smoothness and quick response when you launch the app, the quality of picture in my opinion is moreless the same, unfortunately the HDR feature is incomparable with the one of gcam.
This is just my impressions, unfortunately I've not a great skills for set the single value (ISO, exposure...etc..), maybe this is the reason.
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Footej is absolutely better of stock camera present by default on custom rom ( com.android.camera2), just in terms of smoothness and quick response when you launch the app, the quality of picture in my opinion is moreless the same, unfortunately the HDR feature is incomparable with the one of gcam.
This is just my impressions, unfortunately I've not a great skills for set the single value (ISO, exposure...etc..), maybe this is the reason.
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You can also try Bacon Camera and Vector Camera (from f-droid.org, not G. Play). Both also work on A12 GSI.
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You can also try Bacon Camera and Vector Camera (from f-droid.org, not G. Play). Both also work on A12 GSI.
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ok @-Alf- ,thanks...for now in these days I plan to stay on this wonderful RR (A10), maybe in the future I will test some A12 cusRom, do you have never tried this one from @RobotHanzo?
For me is absolutely incredible the smoothness, stability and solidity of this build...I've never tried a gsi romS (I'm a custom maniac since 2013), in my (wrong a this point) opinion the only solid solution was a official, specific release for each different device, snapdragon as usual...apart the gcam incompatibility, this little, old device, fly with this GSI version of RR! Even the battery backup is amazing, 3:40-4hours of SOT per day, I'm shocked!!
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do you have never tried this one from @RobotHanzo?
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I've tried RR (10) 8.5.8 from @expressluke
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/some-tested-gsi-roms-a11.4245275/
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I've tried RR (10) 8.5.8 from @expressluke
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/some-tested-gsi-roms-a11.4245275/
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I've tried until now (last 15 days):
LosQ: very laggy, there's no NFC and, most important, the fingerprint sensor stop working after 1st reboot.
Lir: NFC is not present, fingerprint stop work after 1st reboot and, most important, there's no way to flash a gapps package (not works Bit, Nik, Flame, Open and Lite).
Crdrom: exactly the same problems of LosQ.
Lineage 16 (official and not) have a very big problem for me: the second SIM implementation don't exist (probably like every Pie build, GSI and not).
Havoc: official GSI have a fully working NFC but the fingerprint stop working after 1st reboot, (after 1st reboot the fingerprint sensor work only just for notification panel etc...), then I've tried to set a face unlock but, a this point, the system become unstable and starting several reboots.
These are the reasons why i consider this RR almost a masterpiece (just poweroff alarm don't work, but i think this is impossible on device with 2 recovery installed at the same time, or maybe is typical aspect of GSI roms).
*always pardon for my English!!
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LosQ: very laggy, there's no NFC and, most important, the fingerprint sensor stop working after 1st reboot.
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Lir: NFC is not present, fingerprint stop work after 1st reboot and, most important,
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You are doing something wrong bro
autokoise said:
most important, there's no way to flash a gapps package (not works Bit, Nik, Flame, Open and Lite)
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Kidding? You can choose gapps or vanilla variant, hm?
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LosQ: very laggy
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Really?
I'd argue with you but I see no point in doing so.
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You are doing something wrong bro
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I've follow the identical procedure for every flash, thanks your suggestions, i suspect (just an idea) which the p20 lite mount a different fingerprint sensors on different sample of this model (like on Xiaomi goodix/fpc), tell me if i wrong!
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Kidding? You can choose gapps or vanilla variant, hm?
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My flashes is always with vanilla package, inbuilt gapps is so heavy in my opinion, the problem happened when i try flash a gapps package on build "...bvZ", i don't know why.
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Really?
I'd argue with you but I see no point in doing so.
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i'm not here to bother anyone, i just wanted to humbly report my experience with these kirin devices not at all easy, i just hope my experience will help someone, like yours @-Alf- has helped me enormously!