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So I just got the Galaxy Nexus (upgraded from the Nexus S) and just after the first day of use (no heavy workload, wifi or GPS) this thing became painfully hot. We're talking touch it to your skin and *ouch* hot. Strangely the massive heat output seems to be limited to just the top quarter of the device. Also note that it takes only about 10min until it reaches 'unusable' status.
Does anyone else have experience with this problem? Admittedly I was warned by the provider I got it from that they had had feedback from customers about it's excessive heat output and other people I know have also commented to the same affect. But I never thought it would be quite this bad. I could fry an egg on this thing. Considering my Nexus S never had this issue - this is disappointing. Are we talking hardware design fail? Or perhaps a bad batch in my country?
If this was an iPhone they'd be headlines going on about 'heat-gate' and Larry Page coming out saying that we're 'cooling it wrong' lol
the nexus does get abit hot around the camera area, but it shouldnt be THAT hot lol.. what are the ambient tempreatures around where you're using the phone?
IINexusII said:
the nexus does get abit hot around the camera area, but it shouldnt be THAT hot lol.. what are the ambient tempreatures around where you're using the phone?
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Not that hot - maybe 20-25c
Perhaps monitor battery temp with an app, it won't give you a precise indication of your processor temp, but there should be a correlation. The phone does get warm around the camera area, but never painfully so (for me). Was your AOS usage abnormally high?
I think the OP is overreacting just a little, if it burned you then the phone would have melted
Anyways, its perfectly normal. the OMAP4 chipset runs really hot, I read somewhere that it operates normally between 85-105 degrees Fahrenheit.
Here it says that the OMAP4 platform has a temperature range of -40° to 85°C. I think thats overstating it, but its all there
KiNG OMaR said:
I think the OP is overreacting just a little, if it burned you then the phone would have melted
Anyways, its perfectly normal. the OMAP4 chipset runs really hot, I read somewhere that it operates normally between 85-105 degrees Fahrenheit.
Here it says that the OMAP4 platform has a temperature range of -40° to 85°C. I think thats overstating it, but its all there
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I used by SGSII in northern Ethiopia (Dallol), air temp was 56C, it didn't like it
KiNG OMaR said:
I think the OP is overreacting just a little, if it burned you then the phone would have melted
Anyways, its perfectly normal. the OMAP4 chipset runs really hot, I read somewhere that it operates normally between 85-105 degrees Fahrenheit.
Here it says that the OMAP4 platform has a temperature range of -40° to 85°C. I think thats overstating it, but its all there
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Well let me put it this way. It's hot enough for me to consider claiming on warranty. No phone should generate that much heat right next to your head/ear. That's unusable in real terms (at least with this particular one). And i've had my fair share of android phones in the past to compare...
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Well let me put it this way. It's hot enough for me to consider claiming on warranty. No phone should generate that much heat right next to your head/ear. That's unusable in real terms (at least with this particular one). And i've had my fair share of android phones in the past to compare...
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The Tegra2 chipset runs VERY hot when overclocked as well, I've had hot experiences on both my Galaxy Tab 10.1 and my G2x, and I can also say that the OMAP4 runs hotter than that! Just offering opinion is all, it's perfectly normal for it to be running extra hot, and it happens fairly quickly.
I completely agree with you that the phone does get abnormally hot, but then again, from my experience, so does the RAZR with a sister chip in it.
dccxviii said:
So I just got the Galaxy Nexus (upgraded from the Nexus S) and just after the first day of use (no heavy workload, wifi or GPS) this thing became painfully hot.
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Android 4.0.1, stock Nexus Galaxy, going on 2 weeks. It's in an otterbox defender case, after 1.5 hours of running video it's warm in my hands, but that's under constant workload that nearly drained the whole battery. In other words during normal operation I am not finding the serious problem you are describing. Empathy out to you.
What temps we're talking about? Mine stays at +36C +38C while browsing web/watching youtube and gets a bit (around +41C) hotter when playing games. And these temps are far from hot-to-touch.
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Sometimes my GN becomes really hot too. It also happens when i'm watching hd video for a half an hour or more. Then it turns terribly hot.
mine goes to 48C and then it starts lagging like hell
Mine gets warm around the camera and earpiece. It's pretty normal, I'd say.
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There are multiple threads on this, but I'll say what I've said before: it's a dual core device, it runs hot, it's not "overheating" unless your phone is crashing, shutting down, or otherwise obviously malfunctioning in some way other than getting hot.
What do you mean by "it reaches 'unusable' status" though? Are you just afraid of using it because it seems hot? Mine gets quite hot when I use it heavily...have kept it going for several hours in this state (while plugged in) with no other issues.
Mine gets hot in the same area, but it has never been that hot, just warm. My OG Droid was OCd to 1.3ghz and that literally reached 150+ degrees F quite a few times and is still fine to this day. The OMAP SoCs seem to run a bit hotter than others, but they can definitely handle the heat.
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There are multiple threads on this, but I'll say what I've said before: it's a dual core device, it runs hot, it's not "overheating" unless your phone is crashing, shutting down, or otherwise obviously malfunctioning in some way other than getting hot.
What do you mean by "it reaches 'unusable' status" though? Are you just afraid of using it because it seems hot? Mine gets quite hot when I use it heavily...have kept it going for several hours in this state (while plugged in) with no other issues.
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Basically out of the many smart phones i've had in the past. This is the first that I would say I would refuse to hold it up next to my ear due to the excessive heat. It's bad enough just holding it landscape to type on let alone sticking next to my head. It's really annoying considering how otherwise the interface and physical design of the device is better then anything else i've seen on the market.
I think i'm going to get one of those laser thermometers to find just what the temp on the surface of this thing actually is.
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Basically out of the many smart phones i've had in the past. This is the first that I would say I would refuse to hold it up next to my ear due to the excessive heat. It's bad enough just holding it landscape to type on let alone sticking next to my head. It's really annoying considering how otherwise the interface and physical design of the device is better then anything else i've seen on the market.
I think i'm going to get one of those laser thermometers to find just what the temp on the surface of this thing actually is.
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It's hot on the back of the phone like other uses have said, not the front where your ear would be (unless it is which is an entirely different problem). Plus, when your phone reaches those temps through extraneous use (videos, games), you normally wouldn't be putting it near your ear anyways. I don't see this as a huge issue. If you do something taxing, much like a computer, expect the phone to work a little bit harder and hotter.
Oh and I doubt it's hot enough to fry an egg. You would smell the plastic melt first.
I've had once when my GNex was really hot. It was when I try factory reset many times since there was a bug that factory reset does nothing in a custom rom. But I didn't know at that time. I tried reset, flash rom, reset, etc. My GNes ended up really hot.
The only time my galaxy nexus got really hot was when I was switching kernels every 2-3 days, and one kernel (I think it was one of Franco's earlier builds) made it run hot even when I wasn't using the phone that intensely. Changed the kernel, and it's never been hot since (I play games, listen to music, browse web, push notifications, etc.) I don't do much video/HD streaming though...
I have been getting that too. Around the earpiece gets warm when only slightly used. Also, I can hear a faint buzzing humming sound from there. Open the back cover..can hear it from the camera too. Is something wrong with my phone
I want to buy the HTC Desire Z but a few things that I read on the net are really freaking me out:
1) BATTERY LIFE: Some users say the battery lasts for less than a day, while others say they have no problem for 2 days. Now I have a ZTE Blade(which I plan to sell) that also has bad battery life, somewhat similar, so its kinda OK as long as its not really that bad.
I wont really have the Wifi turned on 24/7, coz I am a conservative user(although when I get the phone initially I'll check it out every 10 seconds... only for some days).
Can the battery life be fixed by using custom ROMs or Kernels or is it just the underpowered battery pack?
2)Keyboard Hinge: It seems that the screen falls loose when you turn the phone upside down. Some people complain of loose hinges .
I will be using the keyboard frequently.
3)LAG AND BUGS: Actually, its software related so it doesn't really matter I would probably flash a Custom ROM as soon as I get.
So should I buy this phone or not? Please tell me about the other problems in this phone...
If you say "NO", then please suggest an alternative in the same price segment!
Thanks a lot!
Regards,
jj_95nano
I've had my Desire Z since august last year.
Pros:
-great dev support with PLENTY of ROMs to choose from, you get choices between AOSP, GB Sense, GB MIUI, ICS Sense and ICS MIUI.
-good sound quality output through headphone jack
-great screen with nice viewing angles and colours.
-good battery life lasting 2 full days regularly for me under light to medium use.
-great keyboard which has a good feel to it.
-fantastic build quality, i've dropped my DZ a bit more than a handful of times and it barely has any scratches anywhere.
-the "z-hinge" is much more sturdy than it seems and it will definitely last the test of time.
-the phone is blazing fast with AOSP ROMs and can play pretty much every game right now.
-Call quality is really good when there is good reception (read below)
Cons:
-sometimes not-so fantastic performance when it comes to Sense ROMs.
-my keyboard is becoming unresponsive and requires very hard pushes to register the keys Q,W,E and more recently the space bar is having this issue too.
-i have had both wifi and cellular signal death grip issues that occur when the keyboard is out and my hands are wrapped around the device.
-With wifi, a full bar signal can drop down to half signal or less than half if you hold the device as i described.
-With cellular signal, i have very poor reception at my house where i'll get 3/4 bars at the most but a lot of the time, if i hold my phone for more than 30 seconds while the keyboard is out with my hands wrapped around it, i will end up completely losing reception. That said, this has been an issue with previous phones of mine anyway though.
-The device does get hot at times where it can make your hands sweaty but it never really gets burning hot.
-call quality is quite terrible for me at times at my house due to the bad reception that i have and the death grip issues seem to interrupt calls as well at times as i've had a drop outs during calls before.
I hope that helps a bit. Oh and about the tightness of the Z-hinge, i can hold my phone upside down with the keyboard open without it closing, it takes a little bit of practice but my hinge is quite tight and it's still as tight as it was when i bought my phone so as mentioned earlier, the hinge will definitely last the tests of time.
Overall, the pros outweigh the cons for me simply because of how much i love android, so i'd give the phone about an 8/10. If you can find it for like $250USD or less, i'd buy it if i were you, but otherwise, i would just wait for the next best qwerty slider.
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I've had my Desire Z since august last year.
Pros:
-great dev support with PLENTY of ROMs to choose from, you get choices between AOSP, GB Sense, GB MIUI, ICS Sense and ICS MIUI.
-good sound quality output through headphone jack
-great screen with nice viewing angles and colours.
-good battery life lasting 2 full days regularly for me under light to medium use.
-great keyboard which has a good feel to it.
-fantastic build quality, i've dropped my DZ a bit more than a handful of times and it barely has any scratches anywhere.
-the "z-hinge" is much more sturdy than it seems and it will definitely last the test of time.
-the phone is blazing fast with AOSP ROMs and can play pretty much every game right now.
-Call quality is really good when there is good reception (read below)
Cons:
-sometimes not-so fantastic performance when it comes to Sense ROMs.
-my keyboard is becoming unresponsive and requires very hard pushes to register the keys Q,W,E and more recently the space bar is having this issue too.
-i have had both wifi and cellular signal death grip issues that occur when the keyboard is out and my hands are wrapped around the device.
-With wifi, a full bar signal can drop down to half signal or less than half if you hold the device as i described.
-With cellular signal, i have very poor reception at my house where i'll get 3/4 bars at the most but a lot of the time, if i hold my phone for more than 30 seconds while the keyboard is out with my hands wrapped around it, i will end up completely losing reception. That said, this has been an issue with previous phones of mine anyway though.
-The device does get hot at times where it can make your hands sweaty but it never really gets burning hot.
-call quality is quite terrible for me at times at my house due to the bad reception that i have and the death grip issues seem to interrupt calls as well at times as i've had a drop outs during calls before.
I hope that helps a bit. Oh and about the tightness of the Z-hinge, i can hold my phone upside down with the keyboard open without it closing, it takes a little bit of practice but my hinge is quite tight and it's still as tight as it was when i bought my phone so as mentioned earlier, the hinge will definitely last the tests of time.
Overall, the pros outweigh the cons for me simply because of how much i love android, so i'd give the phone about an 8/10. If you can find it for like $250USD or less, i'd buy it if i were you, but otherwise, i would just wait for the next best qwerty slider.
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Thank you for answering!
But there are a few new problems(Call reception, bad signal) that you have just enlightened me about. But should it really matter at a place with full network strength?
But seriously, the PROS seem tooo attractive! The number of ROMS is amazing.
I guess I might just go to an E-store and check out the DZ today!
Then I'll make up my mind.
Thanks again for your helpful post.
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Thank you for answering!
But there are a few new problems(Call reception, bad signal) that you have just enlightened me about. But should it really matter at a place with full network strength?
But seriously, the PROS seem tooo attractive! The number of ROMS is amazing.
I guess I might just go to an E-store and check out the DZ today!
Then I'll make up my mind.
Thanks again for your helpful post.
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I bought my DZ a year and a half ago and i've never encountered major issues other than ROM depending ones.
I live in a french "big city" and never have signal troubles.
Sure he doesn't have incredible performances (mostly with Sense 3.x Roms) and if you want to use it while lying on your bed and holding it above you you will suffer of a loose hinge but if you can find it at a reasonable price, it's still a good deal and one of the best with an HW Keyboard.
Might be worthwhile to check out the official review thread in the General section.
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If you live somewhere with good reception and you can get the desire z at a good price, then i'd say go for it . When i have good reception, calls sound pretty much perfect. It's just that my carrier somewhat sucks haha.
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If you live somewhere with good reception and you can get the desire z at a good price, then i'd say go for it . When i have good reception, calls sound pretty much perfect. It's just that my carrier somewhat sucks haha.
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Thanks for replying!
My carrier sucks too, but only outside the city, but I get full signal strength with my ZTE Blade in my house. Considering that the ZTE Blade has similar network issues, I think I don't mind the bad reception issue. Things are getting positive for this phone... I couldn't go to see it today, but I'll try tomorrow!
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Might be worthwhile to check out the official review thread in the General section.
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Its great you pointed me out to that thread, it added to my knowledge about the DZ!
And I also found a ZTE Blade owner who had upgraded to DZ on that thread!
TenMaKo said:
I bought my DZ a year and a half ago and i've never encountered major issues other than ROM depending ones.
I live in a french "big city" and never have signal troubles.
Sure he doesn't have incredible performances (mostly with Sense 3.x Roms) and if you want to use it while lying on your bed and holding it above you you will suffer of a loose hinge but if you can find it at a reasonable price, it's still a good deal and one of the best with an HW Keyboard.
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Yes, HW keyboard is important as I always face issues with my existing phone when it comes to using the on-screen keyboard. Well, I'll just grin and bear the loose hinge.
Thanks to everyone on this thread. I seem to like the phone now.I just need to see it in reality to make up my mind.
it's just the keyboard issue, other than that , the phone is awesome
Very quick fix if you feel the keyboard is loose. Check the thread on the spring fix. I did both mine and my girlfriends g2s in 20min. As for reception there are more radios to pick from then on any other device I've used so chances are at least one is good in your area and this may help with battery life too. Also I get about 20 hrs give or take with most roms and I'm a heavy user. My gf still has over 80% battery when she plugs in at night as a light user. Not to mention many after market batteries to pick from.
Did a lot of research before I bought us both g2s and I could not find a better option for us as the keyboard was the hw biggest need for us
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The screen is meant to be loose, in that it allows you to flip the keyboard open and closed with almost no effort. I actually find it pretty tough to hold the phone in such a way, that it opens when upside down. Any contact with your fingers/hands on the "screen" portion of the phone will prevent it from opening accidentally. You actually have to be holding the back "half" of the phone without touching the front "half" in order for it to open while upside down. A few people have mentioned that the phone opens when they are using the phone and laying down. But I often use my Z while laying on the couch, and have never found this to be an issue. My opinion is that the hinge "issue" has been completely overblown, and don't let it negatively sway your opinion of the phone.
Battery life is obviously a very difficult thing to compare between users, as its very dependent on how you use your phone, and also reception. But with fairly moderate use, the Z will easily get you through the day, and then you charge overnight. With light usage, I can often get 2 days. On the other hand, when I'm hiking in the woods, in poor reception areas, I can kill the battery in 8 hours or less, without even using it. Forcing the phone to EDGE seems to help, as some of the battery drain seems to be from the phone constantly trying to connect to a dodgy 3G signal. Similarly, in less populated areas (but still in built up towns) I will sometimes get battery life much less than the usual 1-2 days I can get at my home and work locations. I guess the moral of the story, your mileage will certainly vary. But for average conditions, I'd say the Z has pretty good battery life for a smartphone.
All that said, the Z is a solid phone, and a great community here. But I'd be hard pressed to recommend buying one at this time. The phone is a year and a half old. The CPU and memory specs are really showing their age. And its unfortunate that flagship devices with hardware keyboards seem to be becoming an extinct species. I'd only consider this device if you really require a hardware keyboard, and can get a good price.
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The screen is meant to be loose, in that it allows you to flip the keyboard open and closed with almost no effort. I actually find it pretty tough to hold the phone in such a way, that it opens when upside down. Any contact with your fingers/hands on the "screen" portion of the phone will prevent it from opening accidentally. You actually have to be holding the back "half" of the phone without touching the front "half" in order for it to open while upside down. A few people have mentioned that the phone opens when they are using the phone and laying down. But I often use my Z while laying on the couch, and have never found this to be an issue. My opinion is that the hinge "issue" has been completely overblown, and don't let it negatively sway your opinion of the phone.
Battery life is obviously a very difficult thing to compare between users, as its very dependent on how you use your phone, and also reception. But with fairly moderate use, the Z will easily get you through the day, and then you charge overnight. With light usage, I can often get 2 days. On the other hand, when I'm hiking in the woods, in poor reception areas, I can kill the battery in 8 hours or less, without even using it. Forcing the phone to EDGE seems to help, as some of the battery drain seems to be from the phone constantly trying to connect to a dodgy 3G signal. Similarly, in less populated areas (but still in built up towns) I will sometimes get battery life much less than the usual 1-2 days I can get at my home and work locations. I guess the moral of the story, your mileage will certainly vary. But for average conditions, I'd say the Z has pretty good battery life for a smartphone.
All that said, the Z is a solid phone, and a great community here. But I'd be hard pressed to recommend buying one at this time. The phone is a year and a half old. The CPU and memory specs are really showing their age. And its unfortunate that flagship devices with hardware keyboards seem to be becoming an extinct species. I'd only consider this device if you really require a hardware keyboard, and can get a good price.
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I guess if I buy the phone, I'll have better battery life as I have my cellular plan limited to 2G so that is going to make a big difference. Anyways its not like my existing phone(ZTE Blade) has great battery life and reception, so I'm used to this.
And ay the community here is AMAZING, the number of ROMs and Radios is superb! I am no fan of OC'ing so CPU speed doesn't matter. HW keyboard is soo tempting.
Thanks a lot for all your responses... I'll search for the spring fix for the keyboard...
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I am no fan of OC'ing so CPU speed doesn't matter.
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Actually have to say that this statement is a bit backward. If you were into overclocking, that would make up a bit for the lower "stock" CPU clock speed of 800 MHz. As it is, the CPU on the Z is good enough for most tasks. But newer CPUs are pushing 1.5 GHz, and multi cores, and you can really tell the difference. My tablet is a HTC Flyer, with a 1.5 GHz CPU, and it just, well . . . flies. So much more smoother interface experience (even with Sense), smooth video playback (Rockplayer), and this is only with single core (most phones are now coming dual core, and quad core coming soon). Plus 1 GB of RAM means much less dropping of apps from memory. My Flyer acts like I wish my Z would.
Again, don't get me wrong. The Z is solid, and will still have plenty of life left, if you really need the keyboard. But its nowhere near cutting edge, and for me its time to move on. I'll likely be picking up the One X when its released.
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Actually have to say that this statement is a bit backward. If you were into overclocking, that would make up a bit for the lower "stock" CPU clock speed of 800 MHz. As it is, the CPU on the Z is good enough for most tasks. But newer CPUs are pushing 1.5 GHz, and multi cores, and you can really tell the difference. My tablet is a HTC Flyer, with a 1.5 GHz CPU, and it just, well . . . flies. So much more smoother interface experience (even with Sense), smooth video playback (Rockplayer), and this is only with single core (most phones are now coming dual core, and quad core coming soon). Plus 1 GB of RAM means much less dropping of apps from memory. My Flyer acts like I wish my Z would.
Again, don't get me wrong. The Z is solid, and will still have plenty of life left, if you really need the keyboard. But its nowhere near cutting edge, and for me its time to move on. I'll likely be picking up the One X when its released.
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I mostly agree with this post and his previous one.
I'm also considering buying an HTC One X.
It seems so great : Tegra3 1.5Ghz QuadCore - 1GB RAM - Screen resolution : 1280*720px, Internal Memory 32GB, Front Camera, NFC, Native ICS + Sense 4 in its full version
Compared to our DZ, that's just like WOW !!
But no hardware keyboard anymore and no real HDMI connection (you need a special cable).... for a 600€ phone.... that really pisses me off.
@ the OP, i think you should wait a couple of months until some new phones come out so that you have more choice. I'm personally HIGHLY considering getting a One X or One S if i can find the money for it as the keyboard on my phone is driving me nuts xD.
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Actually have to say that this statement is a bit backward. If you were into overclocking, that would make up a bit for the lower "stock" CPU clock speed of 800 MHz. As it is, the CPU on the Z is good enough for most tasks. But newer CPUs are pushing 1.5 GHz, and multi cores, and you can really tell the difference. My tablet is a HTC Flyer, with a 1.5 GHz CPU, and it just, well . . . flies. So much more smoother interface experience (even with Sense), smooth video playback (Rockplayer), and this is only with single core (most phones are now coming dual core, and quad core coming soon). Plus 1 GB of RAM means much less dropping of apps from memory. My Flyer acts like I wish my Z would.
Again, don't get me wrong. The Z is solid, and will still have plenty of life left, if you really need the keyboard. But its nowhere near cutting edge, and for me its time to move on. I'll likely be picking up the One X when its released.
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I don't want to contradict you, but I never overclocked my existing phone which is only 600MHz and I was pretty satisfied because I used custom ROMs. The only Overclocking that I did was to OC the GPU. But the stock 800MHz on DZ is good with custom ROMs as I saw on youtube...
Well I'm still a teen so the One X is a tad too expensive. I txt, so HW keyboard is a necessity. I have an iPod touch 4 for 1GHz . I use that for Gaming, media, etc(you obviously know)...
Yes the market is full of Dual and Quad core phones and tabs out there but I might just venture out to that segment when I'm actually looking for a good quality phone to use long-term when I'm older(Coz my parents don't think I'd handle those kinda expensive Gizmos)
magic_android said:
@ the OP, i think you should wait a couple of months until some new phones come out so that you have more choice. I'm personally HIGHLY considering getting a One X or One S if i can find the money for it as the keyboard on my phone is driving me nuts xD.
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After reviewing the phone in a store I was pretty impressed and there really wasn't anything wrong with the keyboard(firm enough) on that piece so I think I'll just have to have my fingers crossed to get a piece that has a stiff keyboard.
I need to buy a phone quick as my ZTE Blade's value is going down and I don't want to spend too much on upgrading. The only competitor IMHO to the DZ is Xperia Pro. So I think I'd either buy the DZ or the Xperia Pro...
You're talking about the mini pro? Or is there another version of it? The dz will probably have a larger community since that device wasn't advertised too much. It's still a great device though, a friend of mine's got it and I had the chance to play around with it.
The phone's hardware, as redpoint73 stated, is indeed starting to age. It can last for a bit more than a year, if you don't mind the slower hardware. So, it might just be worth it if you upgrade every 1,5-2 years.
Sent from my DZ.
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You're talking about the mini pro? Or is there another version of it? The dz will probably have a larger community since that device wasn't advertised too much. It's still a great device though, a friend of mine's got it and I had the chance to play around with it.
The phone's hardware, as redpoint73 stated, is indeed starting to age. It can last for a bit more than a year, if you don't mind the slower hardware. So, it might just be worth it if you upgrade every 1,5-2 years.
Sent from my DZ.
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No I'm talking about this: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php <<< It has a resolution of 480x854, so its bigger and it has a 1GHz processor. Only thing is that it does not have a good community(or maybe no community...)
I bought my ZTE Blade just 5 months back, so you know that's pretty short... I will obviously upgrade in the future if there is another phone that I fall in love with
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php
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I don't want to contradict you, but I never overclocked my existing phone which is only 600MHz and I was pretty satisfied because I used custom ROMs. The only Overclocking that I did was to OC the GPU. But the stock 800MHz on DZ is good with custom ROMs as I saw on youtube...
Well I'm still a teen so the One X is a tad too expensive. I txt, so HW keyboard is a necessity. I have an iPod touch 4 for 1GHz . I use that for Gaming, media, etc(you obviously know)...
Yes the market is full of Dual and Quad core phones and tabs out there but I might just venture out to that segment when I'm actually looking for a good quality phone to use long-term when I'm older(Coz my parents don't think I'd handle those kinda expensive Gizmos)
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Its largely a matter of personal preference and needs, so feel free to disagree! Its you buying the phone, after all. But for me, its really quite evident when comparing the Z to more modern phones, the difference in CPU. Lightweight ROMs help, but its really just a Band-Aid when the CPU is falling this far behind. But if you're on a budget, and can get a good deal on a Z, its still a solid phone.
Slightly off topic, but speaking of CPUs on newer phones, have you guys seen the recently posted benchmarks on the US (AT&T) version of the One X (actually One XL)? Dammmnnnn, this thing embarrasses every phone currently on the market, including the Galaxy Nexus. Much less an older phone like the Z:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1565181
jj_95nano said:
No I'm talking about this: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php <<< It has a resolution of 480x854, so its bigger and it has a 1GHz processor. Only thing is that it does not have a good community(or maybe no community...)
I bought my ZTE Blade just 5 months back, so you know that's pretty short... I will obviously upgrade in the future if there is another phone that I fall in love with
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php
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I think that we don't care about the slight difference between the 2 processor as you can OC your DZ from 800Mhz to 1.8Ghz without problems (i know u can even go higher but i've never tried). Even if you're not fond of OCing, that's still a possibility.
Screen resolution doesn't seem relevant to me neither. 480*800 VS 480*854.....
On the other hand, the community should be a major argument as it's the one thing that allows our DZ not to be totally outdated.
P.S: Sorry, i'm pretty sure my english is terrible
TenMaKo said:
P.S: Sorry, i'm pretty sure my english is terrible
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Um, almost perfect, actually. And more better than many native English speakers on XDA. ;-)
I got my nexus 7 a week ago. Everything is working awesome but I really worried about the hot issue on the back side under the top speakers. Whenever I surf web for not more than 5 minutes the back feels a minor hot, I only take 3 to 5 pics with camera then the back of my tablet feels more hot, when I do gaming(Riptide GP2) for not more than 10 minutes then at this point my tablet,s back become really hot after this I have to close the game and wait for the tab to cool down.
Please guide me what to do I am really very worried about this right now I am on Stock 4.3.
Can you try to do the same things with minimal screen brightness, and see if there is any change?
Too low.
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Can you try to do the same things with minimal screen brightness, and see if there is any change?
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Thanks for your reply I tried it to the brightness bar at very end but this is not solving my problem. It's not happen only with Riptide GP2 but with the others games too.
Muhaimen Ayyub said:
Thanks for your reply I tried it to the brightness bar at very end but this is not solving my problem. It's not happen only with Riptide GP2 but with the others games too.
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Mine gets a little hot too, but much better than S4 and iPad3, so I am actually happy with it.
I guess that's just the way it is, unless you can compare yours with another one and yours is hotter under the same situation.
My 2 cents, I believe it isn't about the screen problem with brightness. The heat should be coming from the running processor. So far never heard about overheating on new nexus 7 yet. I'll suggest send for replacement , worst come to worst.
Because something gets hot doesn't mean there is a problem.
Its physics.
And feel is irrelevant. You need the actual temperature to determine if there is a issue.
Small thin devices with a powerful SoC will get warm under load
i think, if its still touchable and not using to much battery you shouldn't worry.
also you could try turning off wlan/lte and it shouldn't get that warm.
When I'm playing games with high graphic details, my Note 2 is getting hot. I know that the hot is from CPU/GPU usage.
Can I play freely and without beeing concerned after the phone is getting hot?
How long can I play after the phone is getting hot?
For the most part it can get too hot to hold and not damage any of the internals. Although the battery will wear down quicker at high heat
mrevankyle said:
For the most part it can get too hot to hold and not damage any of the internals. Although the battery will wear down quicker at high heat
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But can I play without being concerned even if the phone is getting hot?
alexsteaua999 said:
But can I play without beeing concerned even if the phone is getting hot?
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For those game which need high consumption on your phone resources,... It is normal. Perhaps that's the reason samsung use hard plastic instead of metal
As long as your phone never face any sudden reboot due to heat, then it is fine. I've used many Samsung smartphone, from the lowest specs, till Note 2 (except Note 3... not enought budget so far :fingers-crossed, and I know heat is normal for Android device. And please don't compare with iPhone, due to different O/S character.
And yes, when the phone get hotter, the battery will run down faster.
This is what I know. You may correct me if I'm wrong, I just wrote based on my experience.
but if you concern about the heat, then you can stop playing that particular game(s) on your Note 2, or you can try to change kernel. This might help a bit. Different kernel will give different performance.
Sent from the corner of this rounded earth.
antique_sonic said:
For those game which need high consumption on your phone resources,... It is normal. Perhaps that's the reason samsung use hard plastic instead of metal
As long as your phone never face any sudden reboot due to heat, then it is fine. I've used many Samsung smartphone, from the lowest specs, till Note 2 (except Note 3... not enought budget so far :fingers-crossed, and I know heat is normal for Android device. And please don't compare with iPhone, due to different O/S character.
And yes, when the phone get hotter, the battery will run down faster.
This is what I know. You may correct me if I'm wrong, I just wrote based on my experience.
but if you concern about the heat, then you can stop playing that particular game(s) on your Note 2, or you can try to change kernel. This might help a bit. Different kernel will give different performance.
Sent from the corner of this rounded earth.
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Thanks for responding.
I can't change the kernel because my phone is still in warranty and I'm risking to lose it.
I knew that getting hot is normal, but even if I know that, I'm still concerned. That's the reason why I asked that Q. I hope is normal and I hope i can play freely on the phone without thinking at the worst.
Please excuse my english.
HI All!
Looking forward to purchasing an M9. I have owned the Incredible, Rezound, and M8.
I have been reading around, and I am seeing some overheating issues with this phone. Has anyone experienced issues like this? If so, would running a more efficient ROM possibly resolve this issue?
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
996
I've had mine for a week now, and only had heat issues when using Waze in the car and leaving the screen on while driving. At the end of my hour long commute, the phone would be very hot. To resolve that, I just keep the screen off until I need to look at it.
Other than that, I haven't noticed it being any warmer than any other smartphone I've had (Galaxy S3, S4, and iPhone 4)
If you survived the rezound, then this is nothing. It does heat up faster than the m8 though and I think it's mostly software related. I've noticed an insane improvement in heat and battery life after a new rom. It never over heated though. It just got warm faster than I was used to on the m8. It's about the same as my m8 now.
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I've had mine for a week now, and only had heat issues when using Waze in the car and leaving the screen on while driving. At the end of my hour long commute, the phone would be very hot. To resolve that, I just keep the screen off until I need to look at it.
Other than that, I haven't noticed it being any warmer than any other smartphone I've had (Galaxy S3, S4, and iPhone 4)
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My car mount attaches to the far left driver side air vent, so the AC keeps it very cool while running Waze, streaming Google play and whatever else. Otherwise I'm sure it would be toasty!
Not too bad, but I got this error once on an earlier build of ViperOne
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Not too bad, but I got this error once on an earlier build of ViperOne
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I've also had that a few times. Only when it's 80 degrees out and my phone is in the Car Dock with screen on. Mine does get a bit warm if I am charging it and making the phone work (Ex. Playing even simple games). It's not a bad "overheat" by any means, but noticeable.
I've also heard some people having it heat up and crack the lens on the camera... good news on this is that HTC is aware of the issue and you don't need to use your Uh-Oh protection--it's part of the 1 year standard warranty coverage.
I have the cracked camera lens due to overheating. Link on more information about being covered under standard warranty?
Thanks
It does definitely get warm quicker than the m8 but I've never had it overheat. Usually around 117 is where it will peak and average use around 100. Still pretty warm to the touch likely due to the aluminium body. I'm sure tweaks to shut down cores/undervolt/etc can make a difference when they become available. If you are very concerned about heat, stay with the M8. Additionally until sunshine is updated for verizon devices, you'll need to find someone with a java card if you want to root and start tweaking.
Yeah I have got this several times in the vehicle. Never had it happen with my m8
WorldOfJohnboy said:
I've also had that a few times. Only when it's 80 degrees out and my phone is in the Car Dock with screen on. Mine does get a bit warm if I am charging it and making the phone work (Ex. Playing even simple games). It's not a bad "overheat" by any means, but noticeable.
I've also heard some people having it heat up and crack the lens on the camera... good news on this is that HTC is aware of the issue and you don't need to use your Uh-Oh protection--it's part of the 1 year standard warranty coverage.
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I'm not so sure HTC is aware of the issue, it looks to me like the HTC rep did him a favor and granted him a warranty replacement. My email to HTC claims they are not aware of an issue with the camera lens.
I'll hold my final opinion until I get this thing S-Off, unlocked and rooted...but now that I've been using this thing stock as my daily driver the past week (I still have my S-Off, unlocked, rooted M8...I just swap my SIM in it when I need mobile hotspot)...despite some very good aesthetic changes, I find this phone frustrating:
it doesn't overheat...but it gets warm QUICKLY. to the point that the M8 is a faster device. At optimum..the m9 is faster...but once it starts working it really starts to suck.
I know bench marks arent everything....but optimum on Quadrant I'll score 30-34,000.....when it's working and very warm and feels sluggish...I'm putting up 19-20,000.
The m8....no matter what I do to it I am always between 24-27000. Summation..when you are actually using the phone...the M8 is and feels better/faster despite having lower specs.
Boomsound with Dolby....it's nice...but this thing needs the H/K mod....my M8 sounds better....and is actually "louder" though maybe that could be the stock software on M9 limiting output.
Battery is abysmal...well not abysmal but not good....something is up, may be my phone...but the radio on my phone is draining the damn thing. This morning...I was off the charger (100%) for 5 minutes...it drained 4% with the radio sucking 40% of that...no clue what's going on there lol A reboot usually will cure that but still it's annoying.
Again, I have a feeling a lot of this will be remedied once I get this thing S-Off and Viper running on it....but right now not a big fan.
bakemcbride21 said:
I'll hold my final opinion until I get this thing S-Off, unlocked and rooted...but now that I've been using this thing stock as my daily driver the past week (I still have my S-Off, unlocked, rooted M8...I just swap my SIM in it when I need mobile hotspot)...despite some very good aesthetic changes, I find this phone frustrating:
it doesn't overheat...but it gets warm QUICKLY. to the point that the M8 is a faster device. At optimum..the m9 is faster...but once it starts working it really starts to suck.
I know bench marks arent everything....but optimum on Quadrant I'll score 30-34,000.....when it's working and very warm and feels sluggish...I'm putting up 19-20,000.
The m8....no matter what I do to it I am always between 24-27000. Summation..when you are actually using the phone...the M8 is and feels better/faster despite having lower specs.
Boomsound with Dolby....it's nice...but this thing needs the H/K mod....my M8 sounds better....and is actually "louder" though maybe that could be the stock software on M9 limiting output.
Battery is abysmal...well not abysmal but not good....something is up, may be my phone...but the radio on my phone is draining the damn thing. This morning...I was off the charger (100%) for 5 minutes...it drained 4% with the radio sucking 40% of that...no clue what's going on there lol A reboot usually will cure that but still it's annoying.
Again, I have a feeling a lot of this will be remedied once I get this thing S-Off and Viper running on it....but right now not a big fan.
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I can confirm for you that rooting and viper will solve your problems. My battery life is great now and my phone barely gets warm now. Amazing how software can make THAT much of a difference.
bakemcbride21 said:
I'll hold my final opinion until I get this thing S-Off, unlocked and rooted...but now that I've been using this thing stock as my daily driver the past week (I still have my S-Off, unlocked, rooted M8...I just swap my SIM in it when I need mobile hotspot)...despite some very good aesthetic changes, I find this phone frustrating:
it doesn't overheat...but it gets warm QUICKLY. to the point that the M8 is a faster device. At optimum..the m9 is faster...but once it starts working it really starts to suck.
I know bench marks arent everything....but optimum on Quadrant I'll score 30-34,000.....when it's working and very warm and feels sluggish...I'm putting up 19-20,000.
The m8....no matter what I do to it I am always between 24-27000. Summation..when you are actually using the phone...the M8 is and feels better/faster despite having lower specs.
Boomsound with Dolby....it's nice...but this thing needs the H/K mod....my M8 sounds better....and is actually "louder" though maybe that could be the stock software on M9 limiting output.
Battery is abysmal...well not abysmal but not good....something is up, may be my phone...but the radio on my phone is draining the damn thing. This morning...I was off the charger (100%) for 5 minutes...it drained 4% with the radio sucking 40% of that...no clue what's going on there lol A reboot usually will cure that but still it's annoying.
Again, I have a feeling a lot of this will be remedied once I get this thing S-Off and Viper running on it....but right now not a big fan.
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Don't you live nearby ?
dottat said:
Don't you live nearby ?
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Yeah...just got done with my crazy work period...headed to Myrtle for some R&R...and some non R&R...Pennsylvania trip is on my agenda after memorial day...I'll be in touch
Right after my rant this morning I had a great power cycle on my phone today...go figure lol.
But half the time the radio has a mind of its own LOL
This is me on stock (no root) while charging, flashlight on, GPS on, 4G on, USB tether on, torrenting at 30mbps and spam opening apps and gaming. The phone got laggy (felt like it was under clocked to 700mhz) and... Look at that temp.
Poor phone
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This is me on stock (no root) while charging, flashlight on, GPS on, 4G on, USB tether on, torrenting at 30mbps and spam opening apps and gaming. The phone got laggy (felt like it was under clocked to 700mhz) and... Look at that temp.
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And you are shocked your phone got hot? It is a camera flash for a phone, not a flashlight. I thought it was common knowledge to not leave flashlight on for long cause (it gets too hot) :laugh:
By far the easiest way to keep the phone cool is to enable power save mode and turn off some of the CPU cores. For my use, the performance difference is minimal and I can always turn them back on if I want the extra cpu power. See the battery life thread for instructions on enabling power save mode with a nova launcher widget. If you're rooted, you can edit the settings.db in data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases and unhide the power save mode from the standard power settings menu.
Hmm. Alright, so what I've gathered:
Root. S-OFF. Problems will be solved. Anyone have an idea when Sunshine will be available for the M9? I remember I used it for my M8.
996 said:
Hmm. Alright, so what I've gathered:
Root. S-OFF. Problems will be solved. Anyone have an idea when Sunshine will be available for the M9? I remember I used it for my M8.
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Nope. No eta. They don't like people asking either