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Refund Snapdragon For Exynos?

My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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Take a look at this before making any decisions...

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Take a look atthisbefore making any decisions...
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That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?

acheney1990 said:
That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?
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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update

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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.
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I agree get the Exynos if you can. The Snapdragon is full of problems and terrible battery life compared to the Exynos version.
Literally the only way I can make my Exynos lag is too open all 120 apps while multi windows + running Antutu (exaggeration obviously) in all seriousness I have never seen my device lag even when gaming order and chaos 2, dead trigger 2, Pokemon Go, clash of clans..etc

stevierayvaughan said:
I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update
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I talked to them today over chat support. I asked about exchange or refund. They seemed reluctant at first but said were gonna put a note in my account for when I went back to the store I got it from... Saying to refund it. No if they actually do so at the store or what trouble they give me is another thing.

So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!

phame said:
So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!
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I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.

the only issue I'm having with the exynos is button lag (have to keep pressing the button esp on the phone app before it works) and occasional reboots. It also hung when sending a SMS whilst listening to music, taking 2 restarts to go back to normal.

imatts said:
I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.
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Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.

phame said:
Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.
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So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.

acheney1990 said:
So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.
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Nope.
I have been using the SM-N9300 (Hong Kong version) of the Note 7 w/ the Snap Dragon 820 for 6 days now. Have not had a single lag issue. No problems whatsoever with the typing. I have installed and used the stock Samsung, Google and Swift Key keyboards and all of them work perfectly fine with no lag whatsoever.
What is funny is that the Exynos version I recently purchased and have had for almost 3 days now, has had that lag with typing. But only once or twice and nothing too extreme. There is actually a whole thread of people using the Exynos version who are experiencing the Key board lag issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/galaxy-note-7-singapore-thread-sm-t3444909
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here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help/note-7-repeated-restart-bootloop-issues-t3444510/page11

Snapdragon = locked bootloader.
Exynos= unlocked.
That's all that needs to be said and should be an easy choice if your here on XDA.
sent from my Note 7 or S6

Might be blasphemy here but after years of custom ROMs on S3 and shortly on S5 (which made the experiences great, no doubt), I can't think of any reason to need root with what I can do on the Note 7 as it is. Even Good Lock takes me back to that nice notification and quick settings I was used to. Of course that's just my requirements of the phone, no doubt plenty want root.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=EiJrEq4CXfQ

Exynos 990 vs Snapdragon 865

Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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Snapdragon 855+ Galaxy Fold(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11150
QRD865(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 10247
QRD865(Performance)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 12524
Exynos 990 S20Ultra(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11823

Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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I also have the iPhone 11 Pro Max and coming back to Android and too be honest the Exynos VS SD865 does not really bother me, the performance is slower than the SD865 and possibly battery life (specially in standby) may not be the same, but the screen, camera, design, openness of Android more than make up for that I reckon.
Last time I had a Galaxy was the S10 and that was a very nice phone and my only gripe back then was the really poor signal quality so if this is resolved in the S20 Ultra then I am a happy.
You could of course import it if you must have the SD version.

Gadgetsboy on Twitter already discussing the poor battery life on Exynos models... And so it begins lol

Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?

russellcausier said:
Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
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1) Not enough production.
2) Samsung makes a better profit from Exynos.
3) diversification is good, some years Qualcomm is better, some years Qualcomm is the SD810.

This was my initial question, as exynos has historically been crap.
Namely the GPU being underpowered compared to the same gen Adreno.
I've heard that the exynos / Mali this time is 20% faster, but that tells me nothing, I've also read that even South Korea has gone for the 865 which to me speaks volumes.
Not sure what all this would do for development, I've been away from Samsung since the S5 and note 4, I just couldn't deal with the exynos and it's sub par GPU, as I use emulators from time to time and the Adreno just works, plus you get driver updates.
If the new Mali is comparable to the Adreno (newest) then I'd think about getting this phone.
But my decision would hang on that and the aforementioned crap battery.
Have heard that this may be the last exynos too but couldn't confirm that.

Just wait for Gary explains YouTube channel to make a comparison between the two versions.
I guess the Snapdragon its going to be around 16% to 20% faster than the exynos.
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg

You won't likely notice the performance difference. But you will notice the horrible standby battery drain. Overnight, my exynos S20U drop 7% in airplane mode. Compare that to just 1% for my Asus ROG Phone II (not in airplane). But still better than exynos S10+ (10% overnight).

I’m hoping it gets fixed with software updates. Was still on the fence about moving over even though I pre ordered. The battery life on the 11 pro max is absolutely insane, still debating whether it’s worth losing that lol
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Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..

Diaoul said:
Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
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I'm in the same situation - considering getting the HK variant (G9880) which supports pretty much all of the 4G/5G network channels..
I had the S10+ 855 in Australia on Vodafone and it was magic. well over 50mbits+ more download speed than the Exynos too..

Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly

Zak0071 said:
Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Where from?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Where from?
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Just use Wondamobile like always.

gavinfabl said:
Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not

Guitarfreak26 said:
Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.

gavinfabl said:
Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Did you move from your Max? haha

Guitarfreak26 said:
Did you move from your Max? haha
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Lol I’ve had a few phones. iPhone 11 Pro has my main sim at the moment. Hoping the Ultra takes over though.

I think this whole exynos thing is overblown, yes there are differences in battery standby etc but surely having a UK warranty, ability to go to a samsung centre for any repairs, resale value is more important?

Which is better: Snapdragon 865 vs Exynos 990?

The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?

roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.

I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.

le0.br4zuc4 said:
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.

Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd

roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.

cheetah2k said:
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it

dladz said:
Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:

cheetah2k said:
Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.

dladz said:
Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.

Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal

_Dennis_ said:
You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.

dladz said:
Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.

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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter

s20 plus or s20 ultra or wiat for note 20 ultra

I am thinking about buying a Samsung as I can't get along with the oppo I bought
I use a phone for
Watching films
Photography (portraits and macro plus scenery and wildlife).
Day to day emails etc
I have read some stories about issues with the ultra and the photography lock issues but the 10 x zoom looks amsizng
Which would you go for based on your experience
Have they fixed the photo lock issue with software update
Can you be honest as I don't want to make mistake in my new phone
Can't decide whether to wait for the note 20 ultra
The prices I'll pay as I get blue light discount through Samsung are
S20 plus £849.14
S20 ultra £1019
The note 2p ultra will probably be full retail price as the discounts don't kick in for ages
Thanks in advance
Chris

mancuk29 said:
I am thinking about buying a Samsung as I can't get along with the oppo I bought
I use a phone for
Watching films
Photography (portraits and macro plus scenery and wildlife).
Day to day emails etc
I have read some stories about issues with the ultra and the photography lock issues but the 10 x zoom looks amsizng
Which would you go for based on your experience
Have they fixed the photo lock issue with software update
Can you be honest as I don't want to make mistake in my new phone
Can't decide whether to wait for the note 20 ultra
The prices I'll pay as I get blue light discount through Samsung are
S20 plus £849.14
S20 ultra £1019
The note 2p ultra will probably be full retail price as the discounts don't kick in for ages
Thanks in advance
Chris
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In UK is exynos 990... unless we have a surprise on 5th August, so I would skip Samsung in this 2020, you get over heating, throttling and camera issues, plus the usual bad battery management.
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theholyguy said:
In UK is exynos 990... unless we have a surprise on 5th August, so I would skip Samsung in this 2020, you get over heating, throttling and camera issues, plus the usual bad battery management.
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What are the camera issues
I don't tend to be a big gamer and just use my phone normally
Camera is really important to me however

mancuk29 said:
What are the camera issues
I don't tend to be a big gamer and just use my phone normally
Camera is really important to me however
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The macro still not working perfect, and the focus also, maybe in Note20 comes perfect with new macro lens and laser focus. Anyway... battery drain and heating issue even seeing movies too long time you can count on that with exynos 990.

theholyguy said:
The macro still not working perfect, and the focus also, maybe in Note20 comes perfect with new macro lens and laser focus. Anyway... battery drain and heating issue even seeing movies too long time you can count on that with exynos 990.
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Not in my experience. I get fantastic battery , easily 7 or 8 hours SOT with my exynos. I have no issues with the camera either. I'm no photographer but it does more than I need it to.
No heating issues either only while charging :good:

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Not in my experience. I get fantastic battery , easily 7 or 8 hours SOT with my exynos. I have no issues with the camera either. I'm no photographer but it does more than I need it to.
No heating issues either only while charging :good:
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On ultra exynos? With 120hz screen? One call and 30min play per day maybe? 8 hours sot and recharge every 12 hours maybe [emoji1787]
It get better with updates but some are hardware issues... only changing the SoC configuration witch Samsung recognize and will do next year.
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mancuk29 said:
I am thinking about buying a Samsung as I can't get along with the oppo I bought
I use a phone for
Watching films
Photography (portraits and macro plus scenery and wildlife).
Day to day emails etc
I have read some stories about issues with the ultra and the photography lock issues but the 10 x zoom looks amsizng
Which would you go for based on your experience
Have they fixed the photo lock issue with software update
Can you be honest as I don't want to make mistake in my new phone
Can't decide whether to wait for the note 20 ultra
The prices I'll pay as I get blue light discount through Samsung are
S20 plus £849.14
S20 ultra £1019
The note 2p ultra will probably be full retail price as the discounts don't kick in for ages
Thanks in advance
Chris
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Rumor has it the Note 20 Ultra release will be delayed and have a 50X Zoom, not the 100X found in the S20 Ultra. Likely it will feature an Optical Zoom up to 10X then a Digital Zoom at higher magnification levels. Having spent time as a professional photographer I doubt most users would be able to identify whether a photo was taken by an S20 or a Note device, both have all around good cameras. Will there be minor improvements in the Note 20? Probably but we'll also see software updates which will improve the S20 cameras. I wouldn't consider the Note 20 and S20 Ultra`s pocket phones, they're both very large devices with big displays. Prices are a significant consideration as well. The S20 Plus is available for $800 USD, S20 Ultra is around $1,000 USD. Rumor has it the Note 20 Ultra will come in around $1,300 USD. Also you'll save money and get a better SoC if you buy a Snapdragon powered International Variant. Lastly, would you use the S-Pen? If not it's difficult to justify holding out for the Note 20 Ultra. Wait for Samsung's Unpacking Event in a couple of days and you'll have a clearer picture for which device suits you best.

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Rumor has it the Note 20 Ultra release will be delayed and have a 50X Zoom, not the 100X found in the S20 Ultra. Likely it will feature an Optical Zoom up to 10X then a Digital Zoom at higher magnification levels. Having spent time as a professional photographer I doubt most users wouldn't be able to identify whether a photo was taken by an S20 or a Note device, both have all around good cameras. Will there be minor improvements in the Note 20? Probably but we'll also see software updates which will improve the S20 cameras. I wouldn't consider the Note 20 and S20 Ultra`s pocket phones, they're both very large devices with big displays. Prices are a significant consideration as well. The S20 Plus is available for $800 USD, S20 Ultra is around $1,000 USD. Rumor has it the Note 20 Ultra will come in around $1,300 USD. Also you'll save money and get a better SoC if you buy a Snapdragon powered International Variant. Lastly, would you use the S-Pen? If not it's difficult to justify holding out for the Note 20 Ultra. Wait for Samsung's Unpacking Event in a couple of days and you'll have a clearer picture for which device suits you best.
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Brilliant thank you.. My main use is photography plus of course day to day stuff so a good camera is important as I had to sell my dslr to fund my divorce ?.. I am no David Bailey but I love macro photography and this is where the utra struggles I just hope Sammy can fix it...

mancuk29 said:
Brilliant thank you.. My main use is photography plus of course day to day stuff so a good camera is important as I had to sell my dslr to fund my divorce .. I am no David Bailey but I love macro photography and this is where the utra struggles I just hope Sammy can fix it...
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You're most welcome. For Macro shots with the S20 you'll find this article useful.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...laxy-s20-ultra-camera-close-up-zoom-mode/amp/

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You're most welcome. For Macro shots with the S20 you'll find this article useful.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...laxy-s20-ultra-camera-close-up-zoom-mode/amp/
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That's brilliant thanks I am on oppo find x 2 pro but am returning it to amazon tomorrow I've found certain annoyances the only good point really is 120mhz refresh even on qhd plus.. And charges zero to 100% in 38 mins... But annoyances like not being set ring tones for contacts without a faf... And the software isn't as refinded as Samsung

for me my opinion , i switch from n10+ to s20 ultra specially after all leaks come about n20 ultra .
why ?
for the true , i wasent use spen on my n10+ , and when i knew that n20 ultra come with battery 4500 according to s20 ultra is 5000.
another reason : refresh rate 120 with fhd for n20 ultra not qhd ...so same refresh rate on my s20 ultra .
i got my s20 ultra for 1000$ and its less than 300$ for upcoming n20 ultra .
another reason and that the special reason and important one : n20 ultra will come with exynos 990 same s20 ultra , so in my region and country no way for snapdragon .
so i will after all say , i keep on my s20 ultra that less than 1 month already in my hand.
hope i help
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* S20 Ultra Exynos *
After update G988BXXU3ATG4.
heat issue is gone , its still warm 37 C after a photoshoot , but it was 44 C 47 C !!, thats not a point anymore.
normal tempature 24 C , speedcharge battery 44 minutes 34 C .
Macro is very good , not to close to object and zoom in ,its the same methode that samsung did to get a "macromode" , result is good .
Im a heavy user and i get around 7 till 8 hour battery time 90 % 20%.
only some lagg when i take photo's 108MP slow reaction ,
so price good buy it .
discussion Exynos Snapdragon ?.

I'm still debating between the s20 ultra ,iphone 11 Pro max,xperia 1 mk2
Its all the exynos and camera problems that are worrying me are they all fixed in updates like some are saying? Because I do prefer Samsung devices
Thanks

gabe_kamphuis said:
* S20 Ultra Exynos *
After update G988BXXU3ATG4.
heat issue is gone , its still warm 37 C after a photoshoot , but it was 44 C 47 C !!, thats not a point anymore.
normal tempature 24 C , speedcharge battery 44 minutes 34 C .
Macro is very good , not to close to object and zoom in ,its the same methode that samsung did to get a "macromode" , result is good .
Im a heavy user and i get around 7 till 8 hour battery time 90 % 20%.
only some lagg when i take photo's 108MP slow reaction ,
so price good buy it .
discussion Exynos Snapdragon ?.
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Brilliant thanks I have ordered and its arriving tomorrow can't wait

gabe_kamphuis said:
* S20 Ultra Exynos *
After update G988BXXU3ATG4.
heat issue is gone , its still warm 37 C after a photoshoot , but it was 44 C 47 C !!, thats not a point anymore.
normal tempature 24 C , speedcharge battery 44 minutes 34 C .
Macro is very good , not to close to object and zoom in ,its the same methode that samsung did to get a "macromode" , result is good .
Im a heavy user and i get around 7 till 8 hour battery time 90 % 20%.
only some lagg when i take photo's 108MP slow reaction ,
so price good buy it .
discussion Exynos Snapdragon ?.
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brockyneo said:
I'm still debating between the s20 ultra ,iphone 11 Pro max,xperia 1 mk2
Its all the exynos and camera problems that are worrying me are they all fixed in updates like some are saying? Because I do prefer Samsung devices
Thanks
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I have a iPhone 11 Pro max and the camera is OK I'm just sick of being stuck in the apple eco system and want a breath of fresh air
Re the Sony do some research that camera sounds as bad.. And it's not got 120mhz screen OK the ultra is only on full HD but 120mhz is amazing from what I've seen

mancuk29 said:
I have a iPhone 11 Pro max and the camera is OK I'm just sick of being stuck in the apple eco system and want a breath of fresh air
Re the Sony do some research that camera sounds as bad.. And it's not got 120mhz screen OK the ultra is only on full HD but 120mhz is amazing from what I've seen
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I actually have the s20 ultra now and have the iPhone 11 Pro max on order so was going to decide between the two
I have the exyonos version and I don't do a lot of gaming if any to be honest (might have 10 mins on coin master haha ?)
Using the camera the phone does heat up a bit on the top front display just worries me if I keep it long term things will only get worst with exyonos and the heat
I'd hate to think in the future oh ill have a go on that game or app and the phones does nothing but throttle

brockyneo said:
I actually have the s20 ultra now and have the iPhone 11 Pro max on order so was going to decide between the two
I have the exyonos version and I don't do a lot of gaming if any to be honest (might have 10 mins on coin master haha [emoji38])
Using the camera the phone does heat up a bit on the top front display just worries me if I keep it long term things will only get worst with exyonos and the heat
I'd hate to think in the future oh ill have a go on that game or app and the phones does nothing but throttle
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Exynos for me is a deal breaker... we never know what's happening next[emoji1787] but the worst for me is the attitude of Samsung scamming exynos consumers, selling same price, and what a high price, something that don't perform on the same level than snapdragon.
Even if the average customer don't see it I think is not fair.
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theholyguy said:
Exynos for me is a deal breaker... we never know what's happening next[emoji1787] but the worst for me is the attitude of Samsung scamming exynos consumers, selling same price, and what a high price, something that don't perform on the same level than snapdragon.
Even if the average customer don't see it I think is not fair.
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Is the exyonos that bad I mean I've had samsung devices for the past 5 years all exyonos I'm assuming with me been in the uk
Or is it just this generation 990 version
Seen a lot of posts that all the overheating and ceramic problems have been fixed via software is this true?
I mean if its a split second behind snapdragon then who cares lol
Thanks

brockyneo said:
Is the exyonos that bad I mean I've had samsung devices for the past 5 years all exyonos I'm assuming with me been in the uk
Or is it just this generation 990 version
Seen a lot of posts that all the overheating and ceramic problems have been fixed via software is this true?
I mean if its a split second behind snapdragon then who cares lol
Thanks
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It's at least since s7... for hardcore users is important. You play PUBG poorly after one hour or so... paying the same than an American that still playing good [emoji2361] the lucky of Samsung is that the average customer don't care... but with 20% less battery in s20 series even the average customer starts complaining.
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theholyguy said:
It's at least since s7... for hardcore users is important. You play PUBG poorly after one hour or so... paying the same than an American that still playing good [emoji2361] the lucky of Samsung is that the average customer don't care... but with 20% less battery in s20 series even the average customer starts complaining.
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To be honest I'm not much of a gamer on phones I just use it for the camera,social media,watching YouTube and movies,just some general apps like music etc
So would I be effected by the exyonos or should I not even notice
I don't think I'll ever play a game for over an hour I mean does the exyonos throttle after say 30 mins
Also mine is on ATFG HERE IN THE UK is that the lastest version with the apparent fixes?

Question UI 5.0 S21FE

Hello, do we know when our device s21fe getting new android 13 ui5.0 ?

Probably with the rest of the S21 series which is in November, we'll see!

StonebridgeGr said:
Hello, do we know when our device s21fe getting new android 13 ui5.0 ?
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Yes we are getting it. As SammyFans it should be released sometime this month (Nov22)

Billabomb75 said:
Yes we are getting it. As SammyFans it should be released sometime this month (Nov22)
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where did you get info about 22nov? can you post link?

n1kolaa said:
where did you get info about 22nov? can you post link?
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Samsung One UI 5.0 update, rollout, release date, features, eligible devices
Samsung started Android 13 Beta-based One UI 5.0 testing program for Galaxy devices in early August. Moving ahead, Google officially launched the new Android 13 operating system, seeded source code to AOSP, and started the rollout for Pixel devices on August 15. Follow SF on Google News Google...
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Anyone got the new update?

StonebridgeGr said:
Anyone got the new update?
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Not yet

when is the update planned?

adriancm92 said:
when is the update planned?
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It is planned to roll out through out November 2022 and December 2022

Samsung Members Paraguay Community Manager post the FE 21 start rolling December (Including S/Z/Fold Model) https://contents.samsungmembers.com...sonalizables-a-los-usuarios-de-Samsung-Galaxy just wait for other markets

it's really unfair, the S20 ultra already receives the A13 update!

A73 received android 13 too...

Note 20 and S21 series just got their A13 updates in Finland. But not for the fan edition...

Either Samsung is ashamed of this model or it has some special hardware issues that they are trying to fix so that it feels like a normal device ). I've never seen such a bad way to treat users of an allmost flaghsip phone. I've read somwhere that the FE's are made of left over parts, and now more than ever it feels like it. I really enjoy OneUi but after my experience with the touch screen issues and the notorious shutter lag, it will be my last Samsung device. They always find a way to disappoint.

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Either Samsung is ashamed of this model or it has some special hardware issues that they are trying to fix so that it feels like a normal device ). I've never seen such a bad way to treat users of an allmost flaghsip phone. I've read somwhere that the FE's are made of left over parts, and now more than ever it feels like it. I really enjoy OneUi but after my experience with the touch screen issues and the notorious shutter lag, it will be my last Samsung device. They always find a way to disappoint.
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Honestly I didn't know.. But now it makes sense. I got my phone and wasnt even 2 months I sent it in for repairs with a charging issue. I'm thinking I will rather switch over Apple or newest S series phone. The FE edition see a lot of people are complaining about it. My father has the s20fe which he got about 6 months prior to me and he is having now an slow charging issue.
I also noticed that the exynos version tends to get very hot and then it lags hard AF. Espicially when im driving.

I own s21fe (256gb 8gb ram snapdragon version) for about half a year without any issues and it still runs butter smooth. There is some cons one of them is battery, but atleast it charges quickly with oem 25w charger it takes an hour to fully charge from about 20%. Also phone gets hot when playing some heavy games like (Apex legends) with maxed out settings. For daily usage like fb, tik tok, internet browsing temparature stays normal.

audrius1521 said:
I own s21fe (256gb 8gb ram snapdragon version) for about half a year without any issues and it still runs butter smooth. There is some cons one of them is battery, but atleast it charges quickly with oem 25w charger it takes an hour to fully charge from about 20%. Also phone gets hot when playing some heavy games like (Apex legends) with maxed out settings. For daily usage like fb, tik tok, internet browsing temparature stays normal.
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Yeah, no issues here. Heat is to be expected in this form factor, but I am able to play the most demanding games without issues even when it was the summer. Alien isolation, cod mobile, ps2 emulation, morrowind source port, all working great. even when the phone heats up, performance is top notch, but might be worse in countries with higher temps than southeast europe

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Yeah, no issues here. Heat is to be expected in this form factor, but I am able to play the most demanding games without issues even when it was the summer. Alien isolation, cod mobile, ps2 emulation, morrowind source port, all working great. even when the phone heats up, performance is top notch, but might be worse in countries with higher temps than southeast europe
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Pretty much the same I ran all perfectly fine. Fortnite was the only game where I found heat was an issue but it's Fortnite so it's not being played

I am currently downloading the OUi5 update. It's live in Europe i guess

Same here (France EUX CSC), download in progress