I'm having a hard time finding an answer to this. I am going to unlock my bootloader but wait until the beta is over to root. Can I still get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader and no root? I've rooted all my Android devices in the past and some of them could receive updates when unlocked and some couldn't. This is my first Pixel.
sparkeymat said:
I'm having a hard time finding an answer to this. I am going to unlock my bootloader but wait until the beta is over to root. Can I still get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader and no root? I've rooted all my Android devices in the past and some of them could receive updates when unlocked and some couldn't. This is my first Pixel.
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What's the point of unlocking if you're not going to root or install a custom rom?
Why not go ahead and root? This guide is all you need:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/guide-pixel-3-xl-android-10-0-q-t3964117
jsbeagle said:
What's the point of unlocking if you're not going to root or install a custom rom?
Why not go ahead and root? This guide is all you need:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/guide-pixel-3-xl-android-10-0-q-t3964117
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It turns out I was one of the lucky ones that got OEM unlock on a locked device with the beta. So, I was going to unlock invade the next update locked it back and just run out the beta. When it was over I was going to root. But I may as well do it now.
OTA is tricky with root but I have pulled it off the last few months. The key is to pull the update before it does so automatically. Google now checks for root on download and stops if you are rooted. It only does it once, if it finds root it won't check again until next month.
So the process is like this.
First Monday of the month in the morning hit Magisk Manager and unroot....restore images.
Do NOT reboot. You will remain rooted until you reboot and this is important.
Spam the check update button. Mid afternoon you will get the uodate. Let it install. But do NOT reboot.
After the update hit Magisk Manager again and install root....but select the option to install to the other slot. The update installed there...you want to root that slot.
Now you can reboot.
If you are not rooted, just unlocked it will update just like normal.
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Can I still get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader and no roo?
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Yes without root you can definitely get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader.
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Firstly, i have not rooted yet. Wont get a chance to until i get home later. That VZW notice keeps popping up asking me to update.
So.... if i let it update are the current root methods still compatible after the update is applied?
rooted fine.. got mine home, ran the 4.0.2 then unlocked/rooted..
unlocked bootloader and rooted mine after the update, no problems.
Ah, so an OTA update will re-lock the bootloader?
Hefe88 said:
Ah, so an OTA update will re-lock the bootloader?
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No, but you will loose root privileges - the su file and apk will still be there but the permissions on the files will have been changed and you won't have access to them.
If you used one click method to root you'll need to rerun it.
If you used a manual method you'll need to redo the chmod part.
(afaik the only way to relock the bootloader is for you to run
fastboot oem lock )
I've heard that using towelroot will root your phone but not unlock your bootloader. What does this entail? Can I still use Xposed Installer/ other root apps? Can I recieve OTA updates? Can I unroot again? Are there any downsides?
Looking forward to hearing about any experiences with this app.
Fakusnamus said:
I've heard that using towelroot will root your phone but not unlock your bootloader. What does this entail? Can I still use Xposed Installer/ other root apps? Can I recieve OTA updates? Can I unroot again? Are there any downsides?
Looking forward to hearing about any experiences with this app.
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I just got my N7 and I unlocked the bootloader. I then used towelroot to root it and it worked fine. I have not flashed a custom recovery so I don't think OTA should be an issue.
But...
utsmaster18 said:
I just got my N7 and I unlocked the bootloader. I then used towelroot to root it and it worked fine. I have not flashed a custom recovery so I don't think OTA should be an issue.
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It's just that some of my other devices (samsung ones, admittedly) don't get OTA updates since I've rooted them, even though they're available. I've also heard that rooting most devices sort of cuts off the updates, and that towelroot prevents that by leaving the bootloader alone.
Fakusnamus said:
It's just that some of my other devices (samsung ones, admittedly) don't get OTA updates since I've rooted them, even though they're available. I've also heard that rooting most devices sort of cuts off the updates, and that towelroot prevents that by leaving the bootloader alone.
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After rooting you don't need to worry about updates with a nexus device (or any other really). As you'll notice in the N7 Android Development section, there are a TON of lollipop builds and it hasn't been officially released yet. In other words, all updates will be baked into custom ROM's so there's no need to worry about official updates. And to root a nexus, simply unlock the bootloader and flash a custom recovery like TWRP, there's no need for tools
DroidIt! said:
After rooting you don't need to worry about updates with a nexus device (or any other really). As you'll notice in the N7 Android Development section, there are a TON of lollipop builds and it hasn't been officially released yet. In other words, all updates will be baked into custom ROM's so there's no need to worry about official updates. And to root a nexus, simply unlock the bootloader and flash a custom recovery like TWRP, there's no need for tools
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Ugh...Yeah I was aware of that. If you read my question again, that was not what I was asking for. My queries were about the towelroot application in particular and if I could recieve OTA updates if I left the bootloader alone. I did not ask for alternatives.
I don't understand why you would rely on an app for root with a locked bootloader on a Nexus device. It's so simple to unlock the bootloader and root. There's only, at a minimum, thousands of guides on how to do it. If you're worried about updates, unlock the bootloader.
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I don't understand why you would rely on an app for root with a locked bootloader on a Nexus device. It's so simple to unlock the bootloader and root. There's only, at a minimum, thousands of guides on how to do it. If you're worried about updates, unlock the bootloader.
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Because I've heard unlocking the bootloader stops OTA updates. I don't want to have to download roms as my download speed is abysmal. Google services have (on average) 8 times the normal download speed at my place (no idea why), so I'd much rather recieve OTA updates from Google than download a rom.
Just another thought and I get your question, but if you did unlock the boot loader and then just downloaded the factory image from here https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images you WOULD be downloading it from Google so you should get the same speeds. Now I know you asked about towelroot and I've not used it, but if you're worried about download speeds the images in that link are directly from Google. I know what you mean though, I have very good download speeds and no matter what I download it does seem like the one's direct from Google are about 25% faster. They've got good networking that's for sure.
Fakusnamus said:
Because I've heard unlocking the bootloader stops OTA updates. I don't want to have to download roms as my download speed is abysmal. Google services have (on average) 8 times the normal download speed at my place (no idea why), so I'd much rather recieve OTA updates from Google than download a rom.
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Heard that an unlocked bootloader prevents OTAs? I don't know where you heard that, but that's completely wrong. Bootloader state has absolutely no affect on OTAs. What an unlocked bootloader does is give you the ability to have complete control over your device. Flash any rom, flash any recovery, and never have to worry about losing root.
Take some time to read and learn before you start tinkering.
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Heard that an unlocked bootloader prevents OTAs? I don't know where you heard that, but that's completely wrong. Bootloader state has absolutely no affect on OTAs. What an unlocked bootloader does is give you the ability to have complete control over your device. Flash any rom, flash any recovery, and never have to worry about losing root.
Take some time to read and learn before you start tinkering.
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When I've rooted my phones in the past, I've stopped recieving OTA updates, even though they put out new ones. My friend who unlocked the bootloader on (and rooted) his nexus 7 also stopped recieving OTA updates. Are you saying that I can unlock bootloader and root my nexus 7 and I'll still receive OTA updates and/or can update to Lollipop when they release it a few weeks later for the device?
Fakusnamus said:
When I've rooted my phones in the past, I've stopped recieving OTA updates, even though they put out new ones. My friend who unlocked the bootloader on (and rooted) his nexus 7 also stopped recieving OTA updates. Are you saying that I can unlock bootloader and root my nexus 7 and I'll still receive OTA updates and/or can update to Lollipop when they release it a few weeks later for the device?
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USUALLY it's a custom recovery that prevents OTAs not an unlocked bootloader or rooted device.
For example, I have a nVidia Shield which I prefer to get the OTAs for as the stock OS is perfect for my needs. Whenever an OTA is available, I have to reflash the stock recovery, apply the OTA and then I can flash a custom recovery again. I could have chosen to not use a custom recovery but I prefer to - so I just flash the stock one (1.0-3.0Mb size maybe?) and then back to custom after the OTA. takes 2min extra work before and after the OTA.
esmith13 said:
USUALLY it's a custom recovery that prevents OTAs not an unlocked bootloader or rooted device.
For example, I have a nVidia Shield which I prefer to get the OTAs for as the stock OS is perfect for my needs. Whenever an OTA is available, I have to reflash the stock recovery, apply the OTA and then I can flash a custom recovery again. I could have chosen to not use a custom recovery but I prefer to - so I just flash the stock one (1.0-3.0Mb size maybe?) abd then back to custom after the OTA. takes 2min extra work before and after OTA.
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I can tell you for sure that neither me, nor my friend have flashed custom recovery. Still no updates.
Fakusnamus said:
I can tell you for sure that neither me, nor my friend have flashed custom recovery. Still no updates.
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What android version and kernel date do you currently show in "About Tablet" at the bottom of the settings screen?
The best way is to use towelroot now, and backup your data with titanium backup, then you can unlock your bootloader if you want for lollipop.
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What android version and kernel date do you currently show in "About Tablet" at the bottom of the settings screen?
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I haven't done anything to the tablet yet, it's still brand new. That was my friend with the updateless tablet.
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I haven't done anything to the tablet yet, it's still brand new. That was my friend with the updateless tablet.
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Question still stands... What Android version and what Kernel date?
Okay...
Okay, this is going on a massive tangent. My question was : If I root the nexus 7 with towelroot, can I still update to lollipop when the update rolls out? What can or can't I do with towelroot? (except not flash custom recovery or roms)
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I haven't done anything to the tablet yet, it's still brand new. That was my friend with the updateless tablet.
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I don't have it on me right now, but its a brand new one, and I've done nothing to it, so whatever kernel that is. I'm guessing the android version is 4.3 .
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Question still stands... What Android version and what Kernel date?
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I don't have it on me right now, but its a brand new one, and I've done nothing to it, so whatever kernel that is. I'm guessing the android version is 4.3 .
Just unlock the bootloader now. It'll save you so much time and headache in the future.
Hello all,
Long time lurker, though first time poster. I have a Verizon Pixel XL that I have unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone on Android 7.0. I am now getting a system notification that I can update to Android 7.1. I'm unsure truly if I should proceed with it or not.
Don't want to lock my phone out as I am afraid of the repercussions.
Summary: Unlocked bootloader on Verizon Pixel XL with root trying to see if it is possible to update over system update to 7.1
Thank you in advance! ?
DreyX said:
Hello all,
Long time lurker, though first time poster. I have a Verizon Pixel XL that I have unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone on Android 7.0. I am now getting a system notification that I can update to Android 7.1. I'm unsure truly if I should proceed with it or not.
Don't want to lock my phone out as I am afraid of the repercussions.
Summary: Unlocked bootloader on Verizon Pixel XL with root trying to see if it is possible to update over system update to 7.1
Thank you in advance! ?
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It would fail if you try since you're rooted. You'll need to sideload the OTA via recovery, then root again via fastboot before first the boot.
krypto1300 said:
It would fail if you try since you're rooted. You'll need to sideload the OTA via recovery, then root again via fastboot before first the boot.
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Thank you. Will give it a shot.
DreyX said:
Hello all,
Long time lurker, though first time poster. I have a Verizon Pixel XL that I have unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone on Android 7.0. I am now getting a system notification that I can update to Android 7.1. I'm unsure truly if I should proceed with it or not.
Don't want to lock my phone out as I am afraid of the repercussions.
Summary: Unlocked bootloader on Verizon Pixel XL with root trying to see if it is possible to update over system update to 7.1
Thank you in advance!
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Same situation as you,
Got a question for ya, I just unlocked bootloader also yet its still gray. Is yours?
I expected it to fail as I have UL bootloader and am rooted, I tried it anyway and it worked. I was surprised. I got updated to V firmware (I'm in the UK, EE network, previously had H firmware). Bootloader remained unlocked but lost root. I rerooted after update without issues. Hope this helps.
nbhadusia said:
I expected it to fail as I have UL bootloader and am rooted, I tried it anyway and it worked. I was surprised. I got updated to V firmware (I'm in the UK, EE network, previously had H firmware). Bootloader remained unlocked but lost root. I rerooted after update without issues. Hope this helps.
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I want to install the update but don't want to lose root is there a guide somewhere on how to side load it with adb?
canemaxx said:
I want to install the update but don't want to lose root is there a guide somewhere on how to side load it with adb?
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I'm pretty sure that can't be done. If you update, you'll lose root but it only takes two minutes to re root.
nbhadusia said:
I expected it to fail as I have UL bootloader and am rooted, I tried it anyway and it worked. I was surprised. I got updated to V firmware (I'm in the UK, EE network, previously had H firmware). Bootloader remained unlocked but lost root. I rerooted after update without issues. Hope this helps.
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So you took the OTA or side loaded the OTA? If you took the OTA and it succeeded while being rooted, that would be great news.
nbhadusia said:
I'm pretty sure that can't be done. If you update, you'll lose root but it only takes two minutes to re root.
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lyall29 said:
So you took the OTA or side loaded the OTA? If you took the OTA and it succeeded while being rooted, that would be great news.
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Sideload the OTA then boot to bootloader and redo root before fully rebooting to android. Worked for me.
Sideloading OTA with custom kernel
Is the process for sideloading an OTA different if you have a custom kernel? I'd imagine simply sideloading it wouldn't work.
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I'm pretty sure that can't be done. If you update, you'll lose root but it only takes two minutes to re root.
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Pretty much the same process to root it again after the update? Same root method?
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So should we anticipate having to sideload every OTA update from this point forward as well? Along with having to root the phone again? Or do we expect OTA updates to work on rooted Verizon phones with the bootloader unlocked in the future?
Forgive the ignorance but the last few phones have been developer edition or have had simpler root methods.
le0.br4zuc4 said:
Pretty much the same process to root it again after the update? Same root method?
Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
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Yup. Same method.
Is there any way to Remove unlocked bootoader warning (while booting) ? I have heard that in moto devices if we flash custom logo.bin, we can regret it!!
Is there any way like that?
Me interested too
+1 Just picked up this phone today on the recommendation of XDA as the best budget phone. Now I see that there really is limited support and ROMS available. I have been running Lineage/ Cyan for years now and it's unavailable to the BND L24.
I want to root to get rid of all the google crap but don't want to start the process and be left with the unlocked warning. Will unlocking and rooting but keeping the stock rom make me miss out on the OTA updates if I keep the stock Oreo ?
I'm interested too.
I've flashed RROS (here https://openkirin.net/download/) and i'd like delete the bootloader warning for more comfort in use
FieryAura said:
I'm interested too.
I've flashed RROS (here https://openkirin.net/download/) and i'd like delete the bootloader warning for more comfort in use
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There is no way to do so.
h2odiver said:
+1 Just picked up this phone today on the recommendation of XDA as the best budget phone. Now I see that there really is limited support and ROMS available. I have been running Lineage/ Cyan for years now and it's unavailable to the BND L24.
I want to root to get rid of all the google crap but don't want to start the process and be left with the unlocked warning. Will unlocking and rooting but keeping the stock rom make me miss out on the OTA updates if I keep the stock Oreo ?
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First, LineageOS is avalible via OpenKirin.
If you unlock and root, you will have the unlocked warning and also won't get OTA updates anymore. However, having just the bootloader unlocked, you will STILL get OTA updates but installation will always fail.
pradeep494ammu said:
Is there any way to Remove unlocked bootoader warning (while booting) ? I have heard that in moto devices if we flash custom logo.bin, we can regret it!!
Is there any way like that?
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That warning actually useful, you will get to know when u mess up with your phone ! Everything is there for a reason !
steven360 said:
There is no way to do so.
First, LineageOS is avalible via OpenKirin.
If you unlock and root, you will have the unlocked warning and also won't get OTA updates anymore. However, having just the bootloader unlocked, you will STILL get OTA updates but installation will always fail.
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OTA updates installation will fail maybe that why the new update fails really thank you and will lock it back and test it
If I unlock my bootloader, root with magisk and install twrp, the what is step by step process to get official OTA updates when one gets released.
I don't have problem setting up my device from square 1.
But I want to avoid bootloops and bricking my device
fizzingbees said:
If I unlock my bootloader, root with magisk and install twrp, the what is step by step process to get official OTA updates when one gets released.
I don't have problem setting up my device from square 1.
But I want to avoid bootloops and bricking my device
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Theres no way to do all things at once.
Unlocked bootlooder and rooting it means youll not get updates anymore as security has been broken. Youll have to flash manually or leave it as it is.
chirogan said:
Theres no way to do all things at once.
Unlocked bootlooder and rooting it means youll not get updates anymore as security has been broken. Youll have to flash manually or leave it as it is.
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So if I flash stock rom via odin, will it be possible to get OTA updates.
Of course I will loose my unlocked bootloader and root and twrp. Wouldn't I?
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So if I flash stock rom via odin, will it be possible to get OTA updates.
Of course I will loose my unlocked bootloader and root and twrp. Wouldn't I?
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Someone correct me if im wrong. My previous root experience was a year ago already with my s6 edge.
You'll still get OTA updates provided youre on official firmware and your bootloader is locked.
But a tripped knox will never return. You will never be able to use samsung pay and other features requiring knox.
Its up to you what you like. OTA updates or full feature of a rooted phone.
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Someone correct me if im wrong. My previous root experience was a year ago already with my s6 edge.
You'll still get OTA updates provided youre on official firmware and your bootloader is locked.
But a tripped knox will never return. You will never be able to use samsung pay and other features requiring knox.
Its up to you what you like. OTA updates or full feature of a rooted phone.
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Yes I know about knox. Currently using rooted Samsung note 4 and all knox related apps removed.got Samsung health working by changing tima.
I dont care about knox tripping and not being able to use Samsung pay.
But since Samsung A70 is a new phone and unlike my note 4 still bound to get Ota updates and security patches, I would like to have this option.
I am seeing on forums to not lock the bootloader after rooting as it can cause bootloops. Something to do with magisk changing firmware of your phone.
I guess the only option is manual firmware download and flashing and then redoing rooting and patching.
Or stay on current firmware
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Theres no way to do all things at once.
Unlocked bootlooder and rooting it means youll not get updates anymore as security has been broken. Youll have to flash manually or leave it as it is.
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Bro send me please the recovery and how to flash it because it stays in download mode for hours and doesn't flash anything