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Should i switch?

Right now i have a Blackberry Bold (9000) & i have had WM phones in the past...I have been looking at the new Tilt it i like the phone but i wanted to know a few things before i get it.
1. Will it be able to use the new WM7?
2. Is the phone any good when it comes to texting & emails?
3. What are the key features to this phone?
I have also saw that you can put Android on the phone. How does that run?
Sorry i just wanted to know a few things before jumping into the phone.
Thanks!

1. From what I've read, it will not be able to upgrade to Windows Mobile 7, but from what we've seen why would you want it anyway.
2. The keyboard is the best out there. Text and email is a breeze.
3. Best user community out there. Phone can do anything I need it to and if it can't someone will build something to enable it (Android for one)
4. Android is out there. I run it on my phone, but it is in it's infancy. check out rhodium android in the wiki to find what's working and what isn't.
I'm not an expert, just a regular guy that uses my phone for regular stuff. Good luck with your phone decision. Hope I was of some help.

jdotbakes said:
1. From what I've read, it will not be able to upgrade to Windows Mobile 7, but from what we've seen why would you want it anyway.
2. The keyboard is the best out there. Text and email is a breeze.
3. Best user community out there. Phone can do anything I need it to and if it can't someone will build something to enable it (Android for one)
4. Android is out there. I run it on my phone, but it is in it's infancy. check out rhodium android in the wiki to find what's working and what isn't.
I'm not an expert, just a regular guy that uses my phone for regular stuff. Good luck with your phone decision. Hope I was of some help.
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Thanks alot for the feedback.
I think i will be going back to a WM phone... I have one more question i forgot to ask...???
1. How is the App Store?

app store sucks but as you know there are tons of wm apps that are scattered everywhere on the net

The TP2 will not get an official WP7 upgrade. The phone's processor is too slow, wrong button layout, and no capacitive screen. WP7 requires a capacitive screen (multi-touch) and a 3 button layout (including a dedicated "Bing" search button) on the front of the phone, and MS is being very strict about these requirements. Somebody on XDA will cook something for the TP2, but don't expect anything official.
If you use your phone heavily for work, the TP2 has a great speakerphone. I love the feature of just turning the phone over, and it switches automatically to speaker phone (with a hardware mute button!). Also, the ability to tether is very useful, if you travel frequently.

I wouldn't even worry about the WP7. I highly doubt this thing will be that great right off the bat. I'm not even intrigued by most of it. I highly recommend the tilt2 and you know that if you ever have problems, you always have this forum to fall back on. So much customization is possible with this phone, and that extent of customization for the WP7 will not be available for quite a while after those phones start coming out.

I think the tp2 is awsome but since i know there are a few WM device coming out right around the corner with snapdragon processors I would probably wait on them unless u need to get a new device asap.

redpoint73 said:
Somebody on XDA will cook something for the TP2, but don't expect anything official.
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Do NOT base your decision on this or expect this. This will most likely not happen since it is a completely different OS and kernel and would require completely new drivers.
You might want to try one out before getting it. The processor in this phone is the same one that they used for the previous generation and that is just a higher clocked version of the processor used in the generation before. It is pretty slow and takes about 4 seconds to load a text message conversation. That is pretty slow for a bunch of text.
If the speed is acceptable, then its a pretty nice device.

petard said:
Do NOT base your decision on this or expect this. This will most likely not happen since it is a completely different OS and kernel and would require completely new drivers.
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Wasn't that the case when Android came along though? But, I do agree that even if wtfomgwm7sp7 ever does get ported to the TP2, it won't be a pretty picture, kinda like that kid at the birthday party who tried to stuff the entire piece of cake in his mouth at once
petard said:
If the speed is acceptable, then its a pretty nice device.
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That actually sums it up quite well...the TP2 isn't quite the bleeding edge of whats available in smartphones today, but you just have to decide if that (minor) level of compromise is justified to you by getting the sweetest hardware keyboard there is, period.* For some it is, for some it isn't.
*pure, unqualified, unapologetic opinion

Sik96teG said:
I think the tp2 is awsome but since i know there are a few WM device coming out right around the corner with snapdragon processors I would probably wait on them unless u need to get a new device asap.
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Well what is ATT next HTC WM Phone coming out?

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/AT-T-carrier-c_14_3.html

burtonsnow8 said:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/AT-T-carrier-c_14_3.html
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Well yeah but the only HTC phone is HTC Desire US and i like to have a full keyboard =/....
Well anyways i got the Tilt 2 = D

TP2 reliability ?

Just ordered TP2 from Sprint, and already have reservations regarding its reliability... the problem is it's the only new smartphone with both stylus and WM, and I need both these features. Or so I think.
Anyway, I come from Axim X51v which is arguably the best PDA ever sold in States. At least after I took it apart and fixed the super-annoying battery latch issue. Also had iPaq 2215 that was very reliable. So at the very least I expect the new device to last a few months over 2 yr contract.
The only hardware problem I found for TP2 seems to be the digitizer separation / rainbow banding / newton rings whatever you want to call it. Don't know if it's a widespread issue - the poll on PPCGeeks shows 38% affected, but then we all know there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. The people who have a problem are more likely to go out and post about it.
Are there any other issues with this device ? Is the screen problem widespread ? Any reasons to stay away from it ? The other phones I looked at were HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, but both had their fair share of complaints, plus I really want to be able to use stylus and my WM applications. EVO looks great but it's too spanklng new, and I am not paying $10 a month for a privilege to not use 4G when not available.
Any info / horror stories / good experience from longtime TP2 users ?

id say get the Tilt 2 outta the bunch u named. THis is the main thing to remember, with the Tilt 2 u have a stylus and Windows Mobile. Also now u can have Android OS on it also. Now name me one Android phone that can load up WM? its the best of both worlds. best hardware keyboard around. Its a great device in my opinion. i dont have any complaints with it. There are so many tweaks that can be done to it, for optimization. A lot of people up here always saying, ohhh, its sloowww...plz....with my tweaks ive done, id pit my stock rom up against a custom one. Cuz mines is pretty damn fast. plus it takes great pix also. too much stuff to list. I only have good things to say about. nothing really bad, yet...lmao anyways, good luck on ur decision. plus if u do get a tilt 2, u dont have to flash a new rom to get faster. Ive noticed some folks here always want to recommend flashing, no matter what the problem is. You could be like, how do i set up email, and some will respond, Flash a new rom..lmfao You know what i mean. Flashing is cool though. You have to search around for the best and most stable ones that fit ur interests. if u get the tilt 2, PM me, and ill get ya up to speed very quickly.

Or Ummagumma could just flash a new custom ROM...

ultramag69 said:
Or Ummagumma could just flash a new custom ROM...
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hahahahaha
I've had the TP2 since the minute it was released and I can only say that I've been very pleased with the experience. It's smooth, stable, feels solid when you hold it, the tilt screen is a nice feature and any time I want a different look for my phone, it doesn't take too much work. I gotta say though that i've needed the stylus only a handful of times but it's nice to have. Know that if you are on a call and you take out the stylus, it automatically takes you to One Note so that you can jot down the info that you may need. While I don't know much about the other devices you mentioned, knowing what I know about the TP2 would lead me to purchase it yet again.

So, maybe it's just me, but I'm on my fifth device. T-Mobile touch pro 2, the first 2 had the rainbow banding, as you desribe it, the next 2 would often turn themselves off when opening or closing the phone.
Hoping 5th time is the charm, and all that. Though, even with all the problems and device swapping, I still wouldn't give up the phone. Best keyboard I've ever used, beating even my beloved SE P990i.

I luv my TP2! I've had it since launch-day in August.
While there have been plenty of complaints on these boards about this and that, they're almost all complaints about software...or indirectly about software as in "the software is too big for the hardware" -- stuff like that.
The vast majority of "problem" threads are issues about software.
I think it's safe to say that hardware problems are rare (except for those unfortunate few who seem jinxed).

Or Ummagumma could just flash a new custom ROM...
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U know that had me laughing hard as hell. ;-)
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pls help me....

i want to buy a kindle fire tab...
should i buy this tab??
pros and cons of this tab????

Do you want to root it?

soupmagnet said:
Do you want to root it?
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yes...if needed...but usually i always root my every android device...

There's no guarantee the new Kindle Fires will get rooted any time soon, and with rumors of the bootloader IDs, it seems very unlikely it will. If that's a major deciding factor in your decision to pick an Android device, you should definitely wait a while to see what happens.
But, if you're looking to get one of the current Kindle Fires, I'd say shop smart, and get one. You can get used ones on Craigslist usually for less than $100. Even "broken" ones (as long there is no physical damage) can be fixed pretty easily. Either way, for the price, it's a very solid tablet that is easily modified and has only a few minor disapointments, such as no hard volume or home screen buttons and small capacity but other than that, I'm happy with it.

soupmagnet said:
There's no guarantee the new Kindle Fires will get rooted any time soon, and with rumors of the bootloader IDs, it seems very unlikely it will. If that's a major deciding factor in your decision to pick an Android device, you should definitely wait a while to see what happens.
But, if you're looking to get one of the current Kindle Fires, I'd say shop smart, and get one. You can get used ones on Craigslist usually for less than $100. Even "broken" ones (as long there is no physical damage) can be fixed pretty easily. Either way, for the price, it's a very solid tablet that is easily modified and has only a few minor disapointments, such as no hard volume or home screen buttons and small capacity but other than that, I'm happy with it.
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thanks for ur reply...wat u think abt hd vetsions coming this month.....

burninghouse said:
thanks for ur reply...wat u think abt hd vetsions coming this month.....
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In it's unrooted/unmodified state, I don't think it's worth the trouble or the money, although, I am very biased on the matter.

soupmagnet said:
In it's unrooted/unmodified state, I don't think it's worth the trouble or the money, although, I am very biased on the matter.
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ok..i think that i should go for nexus 7.....am i right?????bcs i dont like to use camera on a tab.i just love to have faster tablet....

The new cm10/JB firmware is clean and fast. Having a camera no big deal for me, but I would like to have a microphone, since Google Now is working. Also battery life is not as good as stock, but having the latest firmware is worth it in my opinion.

[Q] Am I the only one who enjoys this phone

I see post about laggy and blah blah I mean this phone isn't perfect but with some adjustments it's a bad ass phone I love it I mean I would love root but it's not a reason to return the phone or anything.. Just saying this phone is really good imho

I agree. It's just that the shortcomings are detrimental for the user experience depending on the issue.
I can see battery life being one if you're a busy person.
Touch screen will drive anyone absolutely bananas
All depends on the batch I guess

Im loving the phone, prob best I've had. Not having root is a small problem but I'll live with that. I've not had touch screen issues or over heating problems.

Its not you, people who are happy dont *****. You only hear the complainers, and there are always going to be people who expect manufactured products to be flawless with no exception or fail rate. Just not realistic. The phone is really nice, has great picture and a great camera.. I have owned several different brands and recently an S6. THere is nothing wrong with this phone. I do feel that at this current rate we may never see root, but i also find this being the first phone that would not be and end all problem for me. If you are happy with the phone, what else matters?

I love it. I do wish tap to wake and the knock code worked better, but they'll be fixed someday. They do seem to work better after rebooting, so I reboot occasionally throughout the day when I'm putting my phone away.
Once we get root and custom roms this phone will be awesome.
Be sure to block the OTA updates so the carriers can't prevent you from getting root!

The G4 is a very well balanced product. Like anything though it has its flaws and it won't please everyone, namely as we all have different likes but most important expectations.
I never expect for my phone's purchased to act like a time travelling device (although beam me up scotty that would be cool ?).
What i do expect is functionality and the G4 meets that for me. Just one thing that Google needs desperately is better optimisation between software & hardware.
Android M who knows may be the answer to our prayers.
But overall hell yeah the G4 is good ?

I think the phone is perfect in most all ways. Software can be buggy and lag at times but that will all get cleared up soon enough!

I upgraded from a Galaxy S5 and even though it isn't a huge leap in terms of performance and battery life (battery life quite the opposite, unfortunately) I enjoy my phone very much.
And as I have an international H815 I rooted it the first day I could unlock the BL. 10A was silky smooth and my only "regret" is that I actually flashed 10C. It's a bit less smooth, a bit laggier now and then. Could be an app too, though. So. all things considered I'm very happy. I don't understand why the leather back doesn't have Qi but that's a different beef ..
Great phone, great UI (though I hate having to use an app like ROM Toolbox to change font and the korean crap themes from LG are absolutely horrible).
Regarding all the threads about problems and issues .. Well, that's what XDA is mostly about. You don't need to discuss how great a phone works, you need to discuss and solve problems..
And since no one's, as far as I can understand it, developing custom roms/CM-builds for it yet all you could discuss are problems.
Does it seem like G4s have lots of issues? Not really. Considering the volumes of manufactured phones you will always have broken phones that slipped through quality control. Firmwares are tested but it's impossible to soak test/lab test a phone's software with every app in the App Store..
Not to mention issues with carriers like the retarded US carriers that disable features and sideload their own generic crapware apps and push updates like there's no tomorrow...
All the forums of all the phones I've had since I started reading XDA have looked exactly the same: Early adopters with, sometimes, premature software/firmware ***** and moan, after a while custom roms/root happen and people cheer like madmen, then ***** and moan about premature custom roms.
And the circlejerk is complete.

phineous said:
I love it. I do wish tap to wake and the knock code worked better, but they'll be fixed someday.
Once we get root and custom roms this phone will be awesome.
Be sure to block the OTA updates so the carriers can't prevent you from getting root!
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Do you know how to find out if you have a 1 or 0 bootloader

stewartk said:
Do you know how to find out if you have a 1 or 0 bootloader
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Autoprime discusses it here and seems to be updating the post as new information comes out.

I have the H815 rooted with TWRP and I couldn't be happier with this phone. I don't have touch screen issues, or lag issues, or camera issues, etc. Coupled with the battery and sdcard promos, it was a win/win/win for me when I bought this phone.

i love the responses why do you say we may never see root i love this device lol i need adaway!

OP: is this your first smartphone? Did you have a flip phone before?
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I love my phone and have had absolutely zero issues with it

People who enjoy the phone tend to stay quiet. People who have problems post comments wondering others are experiencing the same. Its pretty much for all phones and gadgets.
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I have actually been LOVING my G4. My old daily driver was the Galaxy Note Edge but then I stumbled on this fella (my first in the G-Series and second LG device) and kind of fell in love with it right off the bat.
So I ended up picking up one for a new daily driver. Right after that though I found out about the no-root issue so then I went out and picked up a couple more of them (I figure I might as well do my part as far as root goes and that will probably end with me bricking one or two of them, so better safe than sorry).
TL;DR -- Yes, I love the hell out of this phone.

bambam126 said:
I see post about laggy and blah blah I mean this phone isn't perfect but with some adjustments it's a bad ass phone I love it I mean I would love root but it's not a reason to return the phone or anything.. Just saying this phone is really good imho
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I love it
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I gave up my S6 Edge for this phone. Best move I have ever made on a cell phone. Absolutely love it. I had one in a good batch though. Sort of sucks that you have to get lucky to like a phone.

Same with me
Z3ldaFan88 said:
I have actually been LOVING my G4. My old daily driver was the Galaxy Note Edge but then I stumbled on this fella (my first in the G-Series and second LG device) and kind of fell in love with it right off the bat.
So I ended up picking up one for a new daily driver. Right after that though I found out about the no-root issue so then I went out and picked up a couple more of them (I figure I might as well do my part as far as root goes and that will probably end with me bricking one or two of them, so better safe than sorry).
TL;DR -- Yes, I love the hell out of this phone.
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What I came from a note edge as well at first I was worried I made a mistake but his phone is better I just missing having the edge but not a reason to go back

I love my G4! The only annoyance is the slow charging when the screen is on..

what are the advantages of rooting my mobile phone

hey im thinking about rooting and flash a new rom
do you think it's worth it?

:facepalm: this whole forum is dedicated to exactly that so of course we think it's worth it.
That's like walking into a church and asking if this is worth it, everyone is going to tell you yes.
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What exactly are you looking for? Hard to know if its worth it for you! For me yes, its worth it. Is your "mobile phone" a 3xl?

mohamed.jonas said:
hey im thinking about rooting and flash a new rom
do you think it's worth it?
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I do it for one reason, to get a custom kernel with high brightness mode. I need that because I use mine for nav on my motorcycle and need the extra brightness. So it is certainly worth it to me for that reason. It saves me from buying a waterproof GPS for the bike, which isn't cheap. Plus it is much easier to make custom routes on the phone.
You should look at what can be done with root and see if those things are if any value to you.

mohamed.jonas said:
hey im thinking about rooting and flash a new rom
do you think it's worth it?
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No. You will be miserable because you have no idea what you are asking or doing.

mohamed.jonas said:
hey im thinking about rooting and flash a new rom
do you think it's worth it?
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From experience the benefits are negligible at this point. They use to be useful years ago when Roms were exciting because they added a bunch of features.
You don’t have to look hard to see that the number of users rooting and flashing roms has dropped dramatically.

Loved It
Thank you ..

for me it's ad blocking, hands down. AdAway makes internet connected apps so much more pleasant, so much do that using other people's unrooted phones is a terrible experience to me now.
aside from that, it's tinkering with the system software, being able to tweak some games (REROLLING *cough*), and customizing the phone UI/sounds to your heart's content.

fightinfilipino said:
for me it's ad blocking, hands down. AdAway makes internet connected apps so much more pleasant, so much do that using other people's unrooted phones is a terrible experience to me now.
aside from that, it's tinkering with the system software, being able to tweak some games (REROLLING *cough*), and customizing the phone UI/sounds to your heart's content.
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Adblocking is the biggest reason for me. You could always have an always on VPN, but battery would be killed.
Also, white UI is the worst thing to ever hit Android. Even stock rooted is enough when you can use a black UI.
Also, running bash and python scripts with full access to modify my filesystem and run utilities like an ssh server locally, is a win.
If root ever becomes impossible, I might as well use an iPhone.