Hi all,
There are a couple of apps out there that create a notification light using the always-on-display and allows for a lot of customization - location, colors, sizes, duration, etc.
A lot of information on battery drain is provided by these apps, but no info about the danger of screen burn-in. Does anyone know how something like this might affect the screen? Let's say, if a certain area of the screen is blinking once every 3 seconds - typically with different colors - would that create a problem in the future for the screen? If the screen has a significant amount of screen burn-in before a year is up, is that something typically covered by warranty? Edit: confirmed from Samsung that screen burn-in is covered by warranty, for the standard one year warranty period. Yay!
Thank you!
How long do you let a phone sit before you answer the notification? 5 minutes, 1 hour, whole day?
peachpuff said:
How long do you let a phone sit before you answer the notification? 5 minutes, 1 hour, whole day?
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I haven't implemented this yet, so I'm trying to decide on all of these factors based on what the implications may be with the screen. I certainly won't have the "light" on indefinitely - I suppose a short blink every couple of seconds would be the most ideal. Preference would be for the whole day, but it's probably more practical that it would be for an hour or so.
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Would it be bad to keep my phone screen on for long periods of time? For example if I wanted to use it as a clock next to my bed. Would it have any impact on the screen if it was on all night? I have the HTC Surround.
i think it probably would, the image may burn into the display and remain there
is there a way to leave the screen on all night? I thought there was no way to disable the auto off feature, just a way to change how long it takes to turn off.
i don't think so. it will not harm your screen. no digit will never stay the same for more than a couple of hours. As the previous post says, there may not be a way to keep it on anyway.
I've had a lot of phones that keep the screen on when the phone is plugged in. So that may mean all night...and no screen burn has ever happened. If you can get it stay on, you'll be fine
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i don't think so. it will not harm your screen. no digit will never stay the same for more than a couple of hours. As the previous post says, there may not be a way to keep it on anyway.
I've had a lot of phones that keep the screen on when the phone is plugged in. So that may mean all night...and no screen burn has ever happened. If you can get it stay on, you'll be fine
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Unless you are using AM/PM clock format - M stays at the same place.
On the side note, I know AMOLED's are susceptible to burn-in, but I thought LCD tech had advanced to eliminate screen burn-in issues.
Never had a problem with LCD's - phone screen was left on every night on my TP2 whilst charging for the past 15 months with no ill-effect. Same on my Sony Ericsson C905.
Just wondering because I've seen a few posts already about screen burn-in, but I've had my Nexus since launch and have no problems at all. Is it because the people that are having the issue are using the GSM version and have had it longer? Is it because those people have their screens on all day?
I'm just trying to get a baseline to understand where the problem might be coming from. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in highschool so I have no need to keep the phone screen on 4+ hours a day (I average somewhere around 1:30 a day, but most of that is reading and answering texts/emails)...but just curious.
For anyone with burn-in problems just post which version you have (and when you got it, if you could) and the average screen on-time per day that you have. Maybe this could lead to a "best practice" document to keep it from happening to others!
I am afraid that this might be a redundant post you just made.
There is no physical difference between GSM and CDMA variation's SAMOLED screens. There should be more difference between which factory and/or country it was made than between GSM and CDMA.
I know you have already, but please refer to the posts made on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1509123&page=2
And I'll re-post the post I made over there on here as well for your information.
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This will probably happen to all of us to some degree sooner or later.
The image retention that lasts 1-3 seconds we might see within a month or two usage is actually one of the characteristics of AMOLED "Ghosting effect"
which is not the same as AMOLED "reverse led fatigue" (or although technically incorrect but more widely understood term "Burn-ins") which maybe seen as permanent image retention shown as yellowish outlines of icons / keyboard outlines, etc.
Sadly, there's really nothing you can do about this problem after the fact, except to change the screen itself if it is really bothersome. Or you may try to change/delete/make transparent of the permanently placed icons/other objects/pictures to try to reverse these effects.
The only preventive measures would be changing screen rotation from vertical to horizontal, and make sure you don't have the screen on at a stay still image (preferably set auto screen off to 30seconds or so.)
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charlescom said:
I am afraid that this might be a redundant post you just made.
There is no physical difference between GSM and CDMA variation's SAMOLED screens. There should be more difference between which factory and/or country it was made than between GSM and CDMA.
I know you have already, but please refer to the posts made on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1509123&page=2
And I'll re-post the post I made over there on here as well for your information.
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This will probably happen to all of us to some degree sooner or later.
The image retention that lasts 1-3 seconds we might see within a month or two usage is actually one of the characteristics of AMOLED "Ghosting effect"
which is not the same as AMOLED "reverse led fatigue" (or although technically incorrect but more widely understood term "Burn-ins") which maybe seen as permanent image retention shown as yellowish outlines of icons / keyboard outlines, etc.
Sadly, there's really nothing you can do about this problem after the fact, except to change the screen itself if it is really bothersome. Or you may try to change/delete/make transparent of the permanently placed icons/other objects/pictures to try to reverse these effects.
The only preventive measures would be changing screen rotation from vertical to horizontal, and make sure you don't have the screen on at a stay still image (preferably set auto screen off to 30seconds or so.)
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I'm sorry, you misunderstood my point of the post. I realize the hardware is identical (as far as the screen is concerned), I'm more interested in kind of how much screen on-time has a strong chance of creating permanent burn-in. I have a max of around 1:30 of screen on-time per day and I haven't seen a hint of burn-in...so I'm wondering if there's some magic number of on-time that will cause the problem to a much higher degree.
What I'm really hoping for is that, for instance, if we find people with 2:30 of screen on-time seem to really have the issue but people with 2 hours or less don't...then it might be a helpful practice to kind of keep screen time to a minimum above that. I realize it's not really helpful for most people (because nobody wants to curve their usage), but it's a limitation of the hardware.
Or maybe if a majority of the people with the problem seem to keep on the screen for 15-20 minutes at a time...that would help, as well.
Its going to happen. All amoled screens get it. The 2 verizom demo units at the store here have it really bad cause the screen is on all day. If you use transparent top and bottom bar, full screen in browser, and rotate your screen periodically, you can avoid the issue.
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Its going to happen. All amoled screens get it. The 2 verizom demo units at the store here have it really bad cause the screen is on all day. If you use transparent top and bottom bar, full screen in browser, and rotate your screen periodically, you can avoid the issue.
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Oddly enough none of my previous amoled based devices (captivate, SGSII, Galaxy Note) shows any signs of burn in but GNex shows slight ghosting/slight burn in of the notification bar. It's feintly visible when i open the xda app
So like the title says I want my watch to always be on. So not ambient mode I hate the on and off crap. I want a dimmed but always on watch face if possible. Not worried about battery. Any suggestions?
There's a launcher (?) I think called Swipify I've seen mentioned multiple times for this. There's also at least one face available for purchase on the Play Store that allows you to choose how long it stays on, including always on. I bought it for that gimmick but never really used it. I think it's the "A06 for Moto 360" face.
In any case, understand that "always on" won't make your watch any more a watch than it will a brick, as you're looking at probably less than one hour of battery life with the screen always on.
1 hour is exaggerating. Either way the whole point of these things should be to be a watch first and foremost, and a notification hub second. LG G watch has a always on option built in and it lasts all day just fine, so I do not think what im asking is too absurd.
Well, you're asking if there are apps to do that. I answered that much.
But as far as what you're hoping you'll get, you seriously need to readjust your expectations. It sounds like you didn't do your homework prior to buying this watch. Undoubtedly this is the nicest looking smart watch now. But the battery life is not great. I get about a full day's worth with the screen turning off constantly.
I can guarantee you, you will not get a full day's battery of this watch with the screen always on. I don't know much about the LG G Watch, but I also highly doubt the whole day of battery you're talking about is with the screen on always.
I get what you're saying. It would be ideal. But battery technology is not at a point where it can power a full LCD screen for a whole day on a single battery charge. Try either of the ones I suggested and see how far it gets you. I might do it just for testing purposes at some point.
Take it down a notch bud. I did a lot of research before I bought this device. Perhaps you should do some with the way screens operate. You can in other similar watches like the G watch have everything turn off and throttle down but keep the time on the screen. The g watch turns everything to black and keeps the time and date still on screen. No reason this watch cannot do the same. I was merely asking if an app was released yet that does this. As most apps like the one you listed does this but keeps the CPU throttled up and the screen drawing more power. Hence why the battery gets killed. Do some research before talking next time. there are a million videos on youtube showing you exactly what im talking about.
Love the watch not complaining, I just want to squeez all the goodness out of it I can.
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1 hour is exaggerating. Either way the whole point of these things should be to be a watch first and foremost, and a notification hub second. LG G watch has a always on option built in and it lasts all day just fine, so I do not think what im asking is too absurd.
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The difference is because of the display technology. As you know (or may not?), LCDs illuminate the entire display, whereas OLEDs (LG, Asus, Samsung) only illuminate the individual pixels, thus reducing power consumption by utilizing a simpler display graphic to use as the 'always on' portion.
To have your Moto 360 always on would be a huge drain on the battery life because of the power consumption to illuminate the display. LCDs are simply not capable of selectively illuminating pixels.
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The difference is because of the display technology. As you know (or may not?), LCDs illuminate the entire display, whereas OLEDs (LG, Asus, Samsung) only illuminate the individual pixels, thus reducing power consumption by utilizing a simpler display graphic to use as the 'always on' portion.
To have your Moto 360 always on would be a huge drain on the battery life because of the power consumption to illuminate the display. LCDs are simply not capable of selectively illuminating pixels.
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To be fair, the G watch is also LCD. The gear live is amoled.
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To be fair, the G watch is also LCD. The gear live is amoled.
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Well I was referring to the R, which I assumed is what he was referring to as well... but if he's saying the LG G watch is capable of that, then I dunno what to say.
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Well I was referring to the R, which I assumed is what he was referring to as well... but if he's saying the LG G watch is capable of that, then I dunno what to say.
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The reason the g watch is able to is because it's built with a larger battery. I had the g watch briefly and it was nice in terms of battery but just didn't hold a candle to the 360 IMO. It is a quality device though.
I'd like an always on option as well for my moto 360.
The always on mode ...is not actually a always on totally. ..it just dims to show only the dials and not the back ground. ..the lg g watch R and the gear live with oled screens will burn in if they are totally always on. .
But yes. .using apps like facer..you can select which layer you can keep dimmed on always on mode on the lg g watch. ..but that will eat battery up.
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WatchMaker lets you set up to 30s stay awake.
Lol. Dude, you really need to do your research. You'd get MAYBE three hours max with the screen on like that. Your attitude against people who are trying to inform you and help you (you know because that's the point of your post where YOU asked for OUR help) is atrocious. If you knew it all you wouldn't need to ask this question. The first guy who responded to you gave you real experience and opinion, and you told him he was exaggerating and to "take it down a notch". Lol.
Ridiculous. Hope you find what you're looking for. Let us know the moment you can get a full day of screen on time with the 360. I won't hold my breath.
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Not sure if this helps but like you I like a watch to be a watch and very close second I really like all the features for notifications that the smart watches make. I have had my Moto 360 for a little over a week now and I use it for keeping time and getting the basic notifications like SMS, Emails and Google Now info like weather. I do not have any other apps installed and with the Ambient Mode ON and brightness set to 2 I have been able to get 36 hours (at most) out of it with light to moderate use . The watch face I use is the preinstalled digital one. It dims just right but it will go to a black screen when there is very little movement detected. I can very slightly move my wrist and it will activate the dimmed time mode so I can see it without having to drastically twist my wrist and bring the watch up to my face.
Hope that helps.
If you find what you are looking please be sure to share as I am interested in this also.
Just to satisfy curiosity, I went ahead and tried this "always on" thing. I used the "A06 for Moto 360" face I mentioned in my initial reply, which is paid for on the Play Store so I won't link. It's not that great looking either, but it does have the option to have the watch Always On.
So, fully charged, I disconnected from the charger at 12:16 PM and changed the face to the one in question. I enabled Always On and set Brightness to max. With no usage of the watch other than to swipe away notifications and to use as a watch (i.e. looking at it for the time), the battery ran out exactly at 4:54 PM, or 4 hours and 38 minutes later. Admittedly, this was longer than my estimated one hour battery life, but again I wasn't doing anything with the watch. I didn't reply to messages, I didn't play games, I didn't check my heartbeat, I didn't control music. Only swipe away notifications and look at the time. Not quite 5 hours.
I guess it may be worth it if you're using a fancy face and going out for a date or something and you're fully charged before going. But it's useless as a daily driver with that kind of battery life.
Your very wrong. First and foremost it should be a watch. I bought a pebble for that same reason. Now before you go saying it's different due to it's e-ink display, I also own a Microsoft band and it's a color screen. I have my band with the watch always on and I user the sleep monitor every night. It easily lasts through almost 2 days and that's with constant notifications and checking pulse often.
It can most definitely be done.
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Your very wrong. First and foremost it should be a watch. I bought a pebble for that same reason. Now before you go saying it's different due to it's e-ink display, I also own a Microsoft band and it's a color screen. I have my band with the watch always on and I user the sleep monitor every night. It easily lasts through almost 2 days and that's with constant notifications and checking pulse often.
It can most definitely be done.
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So a galaxy gear S with tizen OS and amoled screen. With a large display and 3g, WiFi,GPS and phone calling with only 300mah will work for 2 days....
The moto 360 will not... Just accept it and move along
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So what's the point of wanting the screen always on? Are your eyes on the screen with your hands at your sides? Are you trying to show off? I don't think the whole "it should be a watch first & foremost" thing is a good enough excuse. As far as I can see, I can tell the time just fine without the screen being on 24/7. As a matter of fact, I guarantee I can tell the time every single time you can if we check our watches at the same time. No added functionality. Decrease in battery life. I see no win here. But to each there own. Charge your watch every 3 hours. I'm happy charging mine every night.
It's definitely wanting others to see his watch when he's not looking at it. Otherwise they see a black screen. I wanted that too but then realized I couldn't and moved on.
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I only get 10-14 hours out of mine but I have a bunch of apps installed. Not sure where the battery drain is because its not like most of them stay running. Maybe google fit is the big drain, but its a nice feature and I don't need much more than 12 hours. Hopefully in the future this will get an easier root (without the interface clock) and an underclock for more battery life. That's very possible. I don't need my watch running at 1 GHz and I'm willing to bet the kernel is a huge part of the battery problem (as well as the smaller battery). But hacks could fix the watch I think.
I've only had this phone a month and already have screen burn in from the navigation and task bars. I keep the brightness at 40 percent and the screen time out at 30 seconds. I mostly watch videos so they are hardly on the screen. And I don't keep the screen on if I'm not using it. Anyone else having this issue?
Maybe this thread answers your issue:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...reen-clouding-retention-t3766860/post75973206
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Maybe this thread answers your issue:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...reen-clouding-retention-t3766860/post75973206
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Thanks, hopefully that's the issue. It's still annoying though..
Yeah with screen off time at 30 seconds and usage especially makes it quite difficult to get burn in on a phone. My s7 has been running for over 2 years (gave it to someone else to upgrade to s9).
The only time burn in happens are on display phones or TVs when image is idle for too long. Doesn't happen on phones 99.5% of the time.
So recently I tried to figure out how to get the charging animation to stay on longer and found out there is no way to do that. If someone knows how to make the charging animation persistent or part of the lock screen, I am willing to compensate you for your time, bc I love the charging animation so much, but you only get to see it for like 5 seconds and then the lock screen pops up.
Sorry, not sure. I tried the always on option in display settings, and although the screen does stay on even while charging, it still only shows the charge animation for a few seconds.
With seemingly no native settings to change this, you'll likely need to search for a mod, or possibly even custom ROM. Maybe a dev will see this and create something that would allow control for the animation.
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Sorry, not sure. I tried the always on option in display settings, and although the screen does stay on even while charging, it still only shows the charge animation for a few seconds.
With seemingly no native settings to change this, you'll likely need to search for a mod, or possibly even custom ROM. Maybe a dev will see this and create something that would allow control for the animation.
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Yeah I tried that as well, maybe we will get a mod one day. Here's hoping : )
A small Xposed module could also do the trick.
Not sure you would want a charging animation to stay on an OLED display however, it wears off the pixels and will likely cause burn in over time...
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A small Xposed module could also do the trick.
Not sure you would want a charging animation to stay on an OLED display however, it wears off the pixels and will likely cause burn in over time...
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Thanks and would burn in really be an issue if it's on the charger less than an hour per day?
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Thanks and would burn in really be an issue if it's on the charger less than an hour per day?
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"Burn-in on OLED displays can start to occur between 1,000 to 5,000 hours of aggressive 24/7 use with static images on display." So not really, unless you're a heavy user. And leave your phone on while out for a while. If you want to do that alot, you might get some burn in.
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"Burn-in on OLED displays can start to occur between 1,000 to 5,000 hours of aggressive 24/7 use with static images on display." So not really, unless you're a heavy user. And leave your phone on while out for a while. If you want to do that alot, you might get some burn in.
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Thanks for the info!