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Thinking I May Return My Tab 3 8"

I'm pretty disappointed with the Tab 3. Seems very slow/laggy. In addition, there is zero development on XDA for the tab 3. I know this just came out in the US, but it has been out for months worldwide. I've had this tablet for a couple weeks, so it's not just a first impression at this point.....
Currently, very unstable root and recovery. No custom roms. No way to install scripts/intd.
I've had a Galaxy 3 phone for about a year and love it. My phone runs circles around the Tab 3 in terms of responsiveness, processing......pretty much everything actually.
Am I getting a unique experience with my Tab or is everyone noticing the slow, dragging, instability of this tab? Size and screen are great, but do not outweigh the performance issues in my book.
Anyone else returned/exchanged their Tab 3? If so, what did you return it for? Thinking about going w/ the new Nexus 7, but there are a lot of options out there....please help!!!!!!

Weird. I had the nexus 7 2, the note 8, and now the tab 3 8. I don't think the tab is slow at all. Granted I don't play games, but overall I think its quite responsive and solid all around.
But I've seen a few complaints about how awful it is so it seems people have vastly different experiences.
Did it get slower over time? What are you doing when it lags? Did you install a ton of weird stuff?

rumatt said:
Weird. I had the nexus 7 2, the note 8, and now the tab 3 8. I don't think the tab is slow at all. Granted I don't play games, but overall I think its quite responsive and solid all around.
But I've seen a few complaints about how awful it is so it seems people have vastly different experiences.
Did it get slower over time? What are you doing when it lags? Did you install a ton of weird stuff?
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Not at all. I don't play games on it or anything that requires heavy cpu usage. Just basic navigation is very slow. Is your tab rooted?
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arshull said:
Not at all. I don't play games on it or anything that requires heavy cpu usage. Just basic navigation is very slow. Is your tab rooted?
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Nope not rooted.

Yeah I wish I could return mine at this point the asus memo 7 hd seems like a much better choice for 50 less than this thing.

arshull said:
I'm pretty disappointed with the Tab 3. Seems very slow/laggy. In addition, there is zero development on XDA for the tab 3.
Currently, very unstable root and recovery. No custom roms. No way to install scripts/intd.
Am I getting a unique experience with my Tab or is everyone noticing the slow, dragging, instability of this tab?
Anyone else returned/exchanged their Tab 3? If so, what did you return it for? Thinking about going w/ the new Nexus 7
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I owned a Nexus-7 2013.. Took it back on the 15th day.. (Walmart) They're a lot of issues going on with the N7.. GPS being the main one.. And there are some bad ones out in the field.. So be warned. I was lucky and got a good one, but it just did not justify the price (32 Gb) $294.00 out the door.. for the size of the Tablet for me.. I also own an iPad Mini.. and the 7" Screen of the N7 just was not cutting it for me after being exposed to the 8" 4:3 Screen of the iPad Mini for the last year or so.. The N7 just seem too small.. lots of development for it.. but for me they were the same ROMs I was running on my recently sold Galaxy Note.. so they were Quite Boring and offered nothing new. Then I spotted this Tablet and the Beautiful Saturated Colors and it's 8" Screen won me over on 1st sight.. You got a bad Tablet.. You should just do a Factory Reset Wipe everything and go back to how the Tablet was when it came out of the box. if it's still laggy.. Return it and try another Tab 3 8.0 or something else. Mine was fast out of the box .. is now rooted and still smokes.. have you tried a different launcher? have you gone into developer options and adjusted your animations for faster response...?
rumatt said:
Weird. I had the nexus 7 2, the note 8, and now the tab 3 8. I don't think the tab is slow at all. Granted I don't play games, but overall I think its quite responsive and solid all around.
But I've seen a few complaints about how awful it is so it seems people have vastly different experiences.
Did it get slower over time? What are you doing when it lags? Did you install a ton of weird stuff?
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No issues with my Tab 3 8.0 either..
mirrin said:
Yeah I wish I could return mine at this point the asus memo 7 hd seems like a much better choice for 50 less than this thing.
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I think this is about the Tab 3 "8.0" but you are correct... the Asus would be a better choice when comparing to the Tab 3 7.0.. IMO..
Sell what you got for $150.00... Then buy the Asus.
You are still cutting someone a deal if your unit is still in "Like New" Condition..

Speed
Mine is rooted and still is quite responsive.
Speed wise it was not as fast as the Note 8.0 but it is only dual core!
Ran Antutu on Note 8.0 and tab 3 before buying tab 3 8.0
note was 16,000 and tab 12,000
Where as my mtk6569 Note 5.5' clone came in at 16,138.
my old mtk6575 was around 9,000 from memory. But it has gone to the gods RIP.

vladmaster98 said:
Speed wise it was not as fast as the Note 8.0 but it is only dual core!
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This is potentially misleading. It's the same clock rate processor. For many tasks the Tab 8 is just as fast as the Note 8. Exactly the same speed.
Where a quad core will shine over a dual core is when you're trying to do lots of stuff at once. The main area I noticed a difference is something like loading a huge web page and trying to scroll while it's still loading. Lots of stuff happening at the same time there so more processors makes a clear difference.
But for basic, one at a time tasks where there's not much parallelism to be found, there isn't much noticeable performance difference.

I don't know if the '8 is that much different, but my tab 3 10.1 is among the speediest i' ve ever used(tablets)
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Do the PRO series tablets perform better than the N10.1 2014?

I understand they're running the same hardware but with kitkat, I am generally unsatisfied with the note 10.1 even after running clean rom and nova launcher. I'm using a note 3 and it is insanely fast, I really don't understand why the 10.1 cannot run at the same pace.

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I understand they're running the same hardware but with kitkat, I am generally unsatisfied with the note 10.1 even after running clean rom and nova launcher. I'm using a note 3 and it is insanely fast, I really don't understand why the 10.1 cannot run at the same pace.
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I tested both devices.... and both are running really smooth..... I stayed with the note 10.1 .. and its awesome.... I debloated the stock rom... running energy saving mode all the time and have no lags delay whats so ever.....
The new note has abit less battery life than the old one... and the note 12.2 Has about the same as the old note...
Just to be clear youre talking about the note 2014? Since i can confirm that it really runs as fast as the note 12.2.....
Maybe you should revert back to stock rom..... customs roms are not always the way to go..... in my oppinion they are pretty useless if you have a device that has the latest firmware and stuff.... maybe take a look at what task are running at the background ... and disable any unneccary stuff with titanium.... it feels to me youre talking about the old note 10.1 2012..... or maybe you are just running a bad browser app or smth and wonder why your device is slow ... shoutout to firefox app .... maybe u can give more details about whats up
Greetings
Yes note 3 is fast ... note 10.1 Has less specs,.. but you dont really notice much difference in terms of speed... for normal usage.... dont know if youre running some kind of graphical things...

Chrome is a pain in the ass for the note 2014

kingofthebraves said:
Chrome is a pain in the ass for the note 2014
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From a N12 owner...
rkirmeier said:
Well I picked up a Note 12.2 (black/32GB) Friday and well have some mixed feelings considering the cost.
1. Need to root for more multiwindow apps
2. Chrome performance is still lacking - Googles fault, not Samsung's but figured raw performance would address it.
3. Really hate the physical home button and cap buttons more then I even thought I would. Why Samsung thinks this is a good idea beats me!
4. Really don't like that everything is scaled up in size for the larger screen. I realize it's the same resolution as my Nexus 10 but a DPI setting would have addressed this. Just makes it feel cheap and like it's for old people or kids. Need to root to change DPI...
5. Seems Samsung took big step backwards on some S Pen apps. The demos I watch for the previous Note devices work much better and more streamlined then on the Note 12.2. Really not sold on the S Pen and think mine is going back for a Tab Pro 12.2 if it's released soon otherwise maybe just a outright return.
6. Seems really stupid they hide the menu button under the multitask button (long press). I know many apps have a menu button but for those that do not this could really throw off a person who is not resourceful. This is the kind of crap that backs up the idea that an iPad is easier to use.
7. Definitely some random lag. Why does Samsung need to over bloat everything. stock Android fits in like 300MB and TW Android is like 8GB!
8. Very limited development activity!
I probably have more to say just not coming to mind yet. If I keep it I simply have to root in order to address the DPI and multi-window apps. It's an expensive device to give up warranty on... Only on day 3, we'll see how the next few go...
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Is a Tab Pro 10 worth for a Nexus 10 replacement ?

I got an original Samsung 10.1v in the past and was decently pleased with it, then I moved to a Nexus 10. Screen is great but it lags quite a lot now and I'm considering to get a Tab Pro 10 to replace it, as the future of the Nexus line seems uncertain.
I really fear TouchWiz but on the other hand, 4.4 AOSP isn't great for a 10 inch tablet either and I actually think that some of the tweaks Samsung implemented in TouchWiz could be helpful.
Is it worth the upgrade ? I'm also concerned about the lack of custom roms for it, if I'm referring to the current state of roms in these boards.
Thank you !

I have a tab 12.2 pro and I'm very happy with it. TW isn't as laggy as some people made it out to be. Could be smoother but it honestly doesn't interfere with my use for it (browsing, video watching, gaming, etc.)
Development for the tab 10.1 and 12.2 wifi pros are pretty slow right now with all the focus mainly on the 8.4 (there's now a custom rom for the 10.1). All in all, I think you'd be pleased with it coming from the nexus 10.

I still have my N10, the 12.2 is much faster, brighter screen, battery life is much better and charges much faster as well.
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I to am/have been a Nexus fan. I choose the tab over the N. Would love to have the HDMI out on the nexus, but just couldn't go without the extra storage with the sd card. Phone storage was not an issue but want to be able to have movies and music vids and games that you wouldn't necessarily use or want on the phone.
Oh yeah, I just bought the 10.1 pro today, just finished rooting it. Gonna go see about xposed now.
And I forgot to turn off auto update in the play store b4 letting it connect. Had to update all those crappy apps don't even use. I hate when that happens. thankfully we have titanium bu.

[Q] Tab S 8.4 or Tab PRO 8.4?

I currently have an original Nexus 7, which I love but it's getting increasingly laggy and the battery is awful. Though I'm loathe to lose the lovely stock android interface, I'm considering getting a galaxy tab (with a few tweaks it should be bearable!) as they seem to be some of the best on the market at the moment.
The Tab S and Tab Pro (8.4) are both available at John Lewis for £249 and £199 respectively for the wifi versions, and I can't make up my mind which to get.
Any views on which is a better buy? Is the S worth the extra £50? I mostly use my tablet for media - videos, light gaming, news, reading, web browsing, that sort of thing.

I have an T800, but the fight was the same..
I was in the same dilemma, and tried both (S and Pro version).. my answer was obviously, Tab S!
Much slimmer, way better screen, feel good in hands.
You do have some aosp roms for t700.

All I can say about the Tab S is the screen! Truly awesome in which is why I chose this over the iPad. There is a hitch of lag on stock touchwiz. But installing an aosp ROM makes everything better
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Tab S!
I recently upgraded from Nexus 7 and i loved it, but i wanted something a little bigger with more storage and after trying Samsung Amoled screens there was no question on what to get. Its thin, light, fast and this screen is just amazing for videos. Im typing this on my Tab S 8.4

The main differences between the pro and the s are the scren types (lcd vs Samoled), the ability to use a digitizer pen like the note uses, ram (2GB vs 3GB) and assorted minor differences.
If video is your main thing then the Tab S is amazing. If you like games better the best is the Nvidia Shield (stockish android too). The pro wil do anything the tab S does just with pen support and a screen that while it is nice is just not as nice as the S.

Dose tab pro has stylus support like note ? ... I don't think so

I also upgraded from a Nexus 7 2012 to a Tab S 8.4 (also got from John Lewis).
I was running Liquid Smooth Unofficial on the Nexus 7 and am now running Liquid Smooth on the Tab S. Took about an hour to root, install rom, and restore apps via TB. The Tab S is a nice step up from the Nexus 7. As others have said the main difference is the screen. I prefer the AMOLED screen and the deep blacks. Other people prefer the "truer" colour representation of the LCD screen. Whichever you choose I'm sure you'd be happy with it. Maybe there's a place with both tabs so you can try side by side?

cintaya said:
I currently have an original Nexus 7, which I love but it's getting increasingly laggy and the battery is awful. Though I'm loathe to lose the lovely stock android interface, I'm considering getting a galaxy tab (with a few tweaks it should be bearable!) as they seem to be some of the best on the market at the moment.
The Tab S and Tab Pro (8.4) are both available at John Lewis for £249 and £199 respectively for the wifi versions, and I can't make up my mind which to get.
Any views on which is a better buy? Is the S worth the extra £50? I mostly use my tablet for media - videos, light gaming, news, reading, web browsing, that sort of thing.
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Wait to TAB S 2

Tab S is also first in line for OTAs (it has lollipop) and has some nice software enhancments
and xda has more support and roms for it.

Xperia Z3 Tab! Great Battery! I mean best battery for a tab! it lasts almost a week!

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
All I can say about the Tab S is the screen! Truly awesome in which is why I chose this over the iPad. There is a hitch of lag on stock touchwiz. But installing an aosp ROM makes everything better
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What AOSP ROM did you use for your tablet?

BitSmith said:
What AOSP ROM did you use for your tablet?
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Liquid smooth of course xD
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does the tab s4 lag like the s3?

I have a tab s3 and it lags when performing basic tasks.
the feeling is like that of a desktop running windows on a 5200rpm hard disk.
how is the s4?
thank you.

no, it doesn't lag.
but there are some apps that are incompatible with Tab S4 that can cause system wide lags...in my case IOBit Applock.
After uninstall everything runs smoothly.

Can confirm that the Tab S4 does not lag like the Tab S3.
The Tab S3 lag was horrible out of the box and was very frustrating to use. After the firmware update it became tolerable but still frustrating (to a lesser degree).
I didn't see that kind of lag on the S4 yet.

I also can confirm, no lag. It's a much better experience. The updated CPU made a world of difference.
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So far so good with my 64GB LTE version with 4GB RAM, though I have only had the tablet since mid December and haven't really done anything very demanding on it yet.
Are you all using the 4GB variant as well? The 6GB is hard to come by and wasn't available in Doha Hamad International Airport when I bought mine.
I think 6GB should have been standard as I'm sure that 4GB will be the primary limitation that results in lag. The SD835 is fast enough to handle most tasks and games very well.

I can also confirm that the Tab S4 has no lag compared to Tab S3 that I used to have.
Very smooth experience with S4.
Too bad android app support for tablets is diminishing by the minute. Some apps (that is developed for phone) look so aweful on tablet screens, I had to uninstall them.

d4rkkn16ht said:
no, it doesn't lag.
but there are some apps that are incompatible with Tab S4 that can cause system wide lags...in my case IOBit Applock.
After uninstall everything runs smoothly.
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cryptonium said:
Can confirm that the Tab S4 does not lag like the Tab S3.
The Tab S3 lag was horrible out of the box and was very frustrating to use. After the firmware update it became tolerable but still frustrating (to a lesser degree).
I didn't see that kind of lag on the S4 yet.
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folks,
I am reaching the same conclusion.
The t830 is very responsive and smooth.
I hope it remains this way even after installing many apps in the not so far future.
The display is also smoother using either the spen or finger. I don't think it's because it's brand new. Is it the same gorilla?

d4rkkn16ht said:
no, it doesn't lag.
but there are some apps that are incompatible with Tab S4 that can cause system wide lags...in my case IOBit Applock.
After uninstall everything runs smoothly.
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Byte_76 said:
So far so good with my 64GB LTE version with 4GB RAM, though I have only had the tablet since mid December and haven't really done anything very demanding on it yet.
Are you all using the 4GB variant as well? The 6GB is hard to come by and wasn't available in Doha Hamad International Airport when I bought mine.
I think 6GB should have been standard as I'm sure that 4GB will be the primary limitation that results in lag. The SD835 is fast enough to handle most tasks and games very well.
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Exactly. The galaxy s8+ and note 8 come with 6gb. The tab S4, released later, comes with 4gb.

drohm said:
I also can confirm, no lag. It's a much better experience. The updated CPU made a world of difference.
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I don't think it's the CPU only. I know the 835 has 8 cores while the 820 only 4 cores, but does Oreo make good use of extra cores?
Also the frequency difference isn't that much @ 15%.
Perhaps bloatware was optimized...
My 2 cents.

I have both the Tab S3 and Tab S4 and neither of them lag.

diehard2013 said:
I have a tab s3 and it lags when performing basic tasks.
the feeling is like that of a desktop running windows on a 5200rpm hard disk.
how is the s4?
thank you.
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You can fix the lag by rooting your tab S3 and install Trimmer (fstrim)

Almost 24 hours in with owning this thing... I can say that I haven't seen any lag. Not when I'm unlocking it, using apps, swiping through things... nothing. It may not have the latest hardware... but it doesn't look like that's affecting anything. I even edited a whole 16 minute video down to a 6 minute video on this with no lag! This tablet is amazing man I tell you. Never knew you could do some almost PC-like editing on here

Kholargol said:
You can fix the lag by rooting your tab S3 and install Trimmer (fstrim)
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Damn!
has Samsung acknowledged this?
By reading the app description one can deduce that the tab S4 will suffer the same fate in the future, unless the SSD is different or newer..
I recall the tab S3 starting to lag just a few weeks after a full factory wipe/reset, though such procedure wouldn't correct trimming, correct?

Don't have an S3 but my S4 does not lag and as a matter of fact while using it in the DeX mode it is refreshing as compared to my Desktop and Galaxy Book how quickly the apps open up. Third party email and office apps open almost instantly even when not running in the background..

bill-e said:
Don't have an S3 but my S4 does not lag and as a matter of fact while using it in the DeX mode it is refreshing as compared to my Desktop and Galaxy Book how quickly the apps open up. Third party email and office apps open almost instantly even when not running in the background..
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Yes, S4 users don't complain about lag on their tab. I thing that's the first time I see that, it's cool