Can the LG G7 force the screen refresh rate to 75Hz or higher
I do wish it has higher refresh rate display, but unfortunately, upon the longer the system standby timer, the the less UI smoothness it will be. Despite having a 60Hz display, there are some hiccups, dropping out frame rates. The annoying resolution is to restart the LG G7 ThinQ every 2 or 3 days to feel smoother & faster. I wished the higher refresh rates would solve the problem, really it does not solve the problem. In 2020, a midrange SD 765 device with 120Hz display definitely has seen UI hiccups or stuttering. I surely blame LG for not providing us unlocked bootloaders, so we can enjoy custom kernels, which helps us change the CPU governors etc, which would greatly improves LG G7's overall performance even with custom refresh rates, i.e Google Pixel 3 or the One Plus 6 has smoother performance than the G7, despite all uses 60Hz displays. I surely will switch to any device with 2K resolution bearing 120Hz displays, eagerly waiting for the One Plus 8 Pro.
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Especially with root now becoming available, I started giving this more thought:
If someone wanted to do that, would running a lower resolution be an option, to perhaps extend your battery life?
The screen is QHD, 1440x2560. To minimize scaling issues with a fixed-pixel-location screen like an LCD, you could go down to HD, 720x1280. Now the graphics hardware is dealing with 1/4 as many pixels. It won't look as good, granted, but lets say the user accepts that trade-off.
Is this even possible? If so, do you think it could help battery life?
I don't have experience with this on phones. But on a computer, you can certainly lower your display resolution, even if using an LCD. It will look fuzzy at a non-native resolution, but perhaps that's less of an issue here, with the pixels being so small by comparison. And if you were gaming on the PC, lowering the resolution would allow higher framerates, assuming you were limited by your graphics card, not your CPU. I've admittedly never thought about it from a power-use perspective, but it seems reasonable that, if keeping the framerate the same, running a lower resolution would require less power for the PC.
My Galaxy S3 was 720x1280, admittedly on a smaller 4.8" screen, but I thought it looked fine. If using a lower screen resolution could, say, add 20% to my G4's SOT, I would be interested in that.
I believe this is what changing the DPI is for. This can be done via apps, or changing the value in the build.prop I think. Pushing less pixels on to the screen will definitely increase battery life. There's a threshold though, and depending on which G4 variant you have (whether it's branded by a carrier, etc.) you may want to research on what a safe number might be. I think some AT&T G4 user reported bootloops after changing the DPI to <530 or something. It looks like the camera doesn't get affected by the DPI change too, which is a definite good sign.
I'm waiting to see how the battery life holds up right now with root mode now being enabled in Greenify. If I can't squeeze more than 5 hours SoT while at a certain brightness and using BT, I'll consider changing the DPI.
This is not going to improve battery life in the slightest. You might be running a lower resolution but all the pixels are stilled turned on. The lower tax on the GPU is negligible.
kyle1867 said:
This is not going to improve battery life in the slightest. You might be running a lower resolution but all the pixels are stilled turned on. The lower tax on the GPU is negligible.
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Agreed. This was done on the G3 and batter life was not changed, only game performance improved as you are pushing graphics at 1080p instead of 1440p.
AhsanU said:
I believe this is what changing the DPI is for. This can be done via apps, or changing the value in the build.prop I think. Pushing less pixels on to the screen will definitely increase battery life. There's a threshold though, and depending on which G4 variant you have (whether it's branded by a carrier, etc.) you may want to research on what a safe number might be. I think some AT&T G4 user reported bootloops after changing the DPI to <530 or something. It looks like the camera doesn't get affected by the DPI change too, which is a definite good sign.
I'm waiting to see how the battery life holds up right now with root mode now being enabled in Greenify. If I can't squeeze more than 5 hours SoT while at a certain brightness and using BT, I'll consider changing the DPI.
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I believe that that's wrong, specially if you set it to numbers lower than stock.
I found a way to change the resolution
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/tool-change-phone-resolution-dpi-root-t3582863
Follow this thread, it's so simple and works perfectly!! on LG G4 818p
Hi everybody I plan to buy lg g7 and I have a few questions to look forward to
1 in the pie update can still lower the screen resolution from 1440p to 1080p (without adb)
2 if the lower, the gaming performance is no different
thank you
1. In the pie you can still lower the screen resolution from 1440p to 1080p in your phone
2. If the lower, the gaming performance is surely different.
After using the 120hz mode on S20+ Exynos, I'm finding it really hard to adjust to 60hz
Everything runs very choppy and I can notice it deliberately cut the frames
This lag is not noticeable on other pure 60hz phones
Either something is wrong with my device or it is how it is?
My guess - It feels like Samsung is just slowing down the CPU power to animations to make it feel like 60hz??
Is it the same experience for yours too?
saidatta123 said:
After using the 120hz mode on S20+ Exynos, I'm finding it really hard to adjust to 60hz
Everything runs very choppy and I can notice it deliberately cut the frames
This lag is not noticeable on other pure 60hz phones
Either something is wrong with my device or it is how it is?
My guess - It feels like Samsung is just slowing down the CPU power to animations to make it feel like 60hz??
Is it the same experience for yours too?
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it is known that samsung underclocks the cpu in 60hz mode.. that is why you see lag.. my wifes s10 runs smoother at 60hz than my s20+
Brontok said:
it is known that samsung underclocks the cpu in 60hz mode.. that is why you see lag.. my wifes s10 runs smoother at 60hz than my s20+
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Exactly! Is there a to improve speed to make it look better on 60hz?
Maybe not as bad as samsung 60hz but i have compared with my sister's iphone 11 and for sure there is a huge difference between 60 and 120hz display
lol, it's not laggy, it's the hz and how the eye perceive the animations...
Try to debloat:
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Funny enough I tried 60 earlier and I noticed the lag...but as noted your eyes have just adapted to a better refresh rate...
Funny I use a note 9 and 60hz doesn't feel or look as laggy as it is on current samsung 120hz panels when in 60hz mode. I believe samsung make 60hz perform worst intentionally. Dirty scum bags.
Same f*cking here on Realme Q5 pro!!! PLEASE SOMEONE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS. I CANT HANDLE IT ANYMORE
This may seem too obvious but think about it. Turning on show refresh rate option shows you a continuously changing refresh rate 10-24-30-60-120 Hz . LTPO can bring down the refresh rate to 10Hz but that constant switching between refresh rates may be adding flickers not consciously noticeable but may have an effect on the eyes in long term ?
This is to save the battery but can eyes adapt to a such a high degree of variable refresh rate ? Does anyone know the PWM frequency of Vivo X80 Pro LTPO 3.0 ? I did check with a slo-mo camera and it does show flicker (black lines moving across the screen). Honor 4 Pro is claiming a LTPO screen with highest ever PWM frequency for eliminating flicker. Any insight into this will be much appreciated.
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This may seem too obvious but think about it. Turning on show refresh rate option shows you a continuously changing refresh rate 10-24-30-60-120 Hz . LTPO can bring down the refresh rate to 10Hz but that constant switching between refresh rates may be adding flickers not consciously noticeable but may have an effect on the eyes in long term ?
This is to save the battery but can eyes adapt to a such a high degree of variable refresh rate ? Does anyone know the PWM frequency of Vivo X80 Pro LTPO 3.0 ? I did check with a slo-mo camera and it does show flicker (black lines moving across the screen). Honor 4 Pro is claiming a LTPO screen with highest ever PWM frequency for eliminating flicker. Any insight into this will be much appreciated.
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Honor has 1920PWM if i remember correctly, idk how much the vivo has.
But i'll break you a myth, the LTPO does NOT improve performance unless you maybe watching YouTube all day and even so.
So far all the smartphones that has poor battery life, including the x80 Pro, has LTPO.
Based on my use, i just use the 120hz and it goes down to 10hz when possible, coming from the Mate 40 Pro which has 60 or 90 only with no LTPO, the Mate 40 Pro had better battery life.
They is no eye strain with either of them if you sit in the proper angle, i haven't noticed anything anyway.
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Honor has 1920PWM if i remember correctly, idk how much the vivo has.
But i'll break you a myth, the LTPO does NOT improve performance unless you maybe watching YouTube all day and even so.
So far all the smartphones that has poor battery life, including the x80 Pro, has LTPO.
Based on my use, i just use the 120hz and it goes down to 10hz when possible, coming from the Mate 40 Pro which has 60 or 90 only with no LTPO, the Mate 40 Pro had better battery life.
They is no eye strain with either of them if you sit in the proper angle, i haven't noticed anything anyway.
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Thanks for replying. Firstly Congratulations for your ROG6 phone . LTPO may be saving a little bit of battery but there are many other factors especially SD Gen 1.
But I am worried about LTPO's constantly varying refresh rate. In my 2 months of usage of X80 Pro I had two or three episodes of headache which may be very well be coincidental due to other factors. It did prompt me to research more on PWM frequency of X80 pro and what effect does LTPO have on eyes.
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Thanks for replying. Firstly Congratulations for your ROG6 phone . LTPO may be saving a little bit of battery but there are many other factors especially SD Gen 1.
But I am worried about LTPO's constantly varying refresh rate. In my 2 months of usage of X80 Pro I had two or three episodes of headache which may be very well be coincidental due to other factors. It did prompt me to research more on PWM frequency of X80 pro and what effect does LTPO have on eyes.
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That's a good point that no reviewer actually checked or researched.
I had the X80 pro for a month and never had any headache, you might be sensitive to certain PWM frequency.
If you can check the Honor Magic 4 Pro you might deny or confirm that.
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That's a good point that no reviewer actually checked or researched.
I had the X80 pro for a month and never had any headache, you might be sensitive to certain PWM frequency.
If you can check the Honor Magic 4 Pro you might deny or confirm that.
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I have no way to check magic 4. Also , I did not find a way to force 60 or 120 Hz on X80 pro. Tried adb command and SetEdit. At least locking it to 60Hz minimum will be good enough even though it defeats the purpose of LTPO.
Does anyone know how to do that ?
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I have no way to check magic 4. Also , I did not find a way to force 60 or 120 Hz on X80 pro. Tried adb command and SetEdit. At least locking it to 60Hz minimum will be good enough even though it defeats the purpose of LTPO.
Does anyone know how to do that ?
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It should be under the display settings>refresh rate.
Don't choose Auto, choose 120hz, and it will be 120hz all the time unless there is no motion on the screen.
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It should be under the display settings>refresh rate.
Don't choose Auto, choose 120hz, and it will be 120hz all the time unless there is no motion on the screen.
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Choosing a refresh rate in settings just sets the maximum refresh rate. I would like it to be at least 60Hz at all times which happens in all non-LTPO phones .
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Choosing a refresh rate in settings just sets the maximum refresh rate. I would like it to be at least 60Hz at all times which happens in all non-LTPO phones .
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If you trigger the "show refresh rate" at the developer menu, you'll see it drops from 120hz to 10hz quite often.
Even if you'll force 60hz it will drop to 10hz, that's just how it works.
I don't think you can put a threshold of 60hz as minimum as opposed to 10hz.
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If you trigger the "show refresh rate" at the developer menu, you'll see it drops from 120hz to 10hz quite often.
Even if you'll force 60hz it will drop to 10hz, that's just how it works.
I don't think you can put a threshold of 60hz as minimum as opposed to 10hz.
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Right. That's how LTPO works but in other phones , it will stay at 60Hz even if it is static picture. The flicker at 10Hz could be more than 60Hz unless the PWM frequency is high enough. Am I getting it right ?
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Right. That's how LTPO works but in other phones , it will stay at 60Hz even if it is static picture. The flicker at 10Hz could be more than 60Hz unless the PWM frequency is high enough. Am I getting it right ?
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Indeed.
But Vivo hasn't published information about the PWM frequency, so we're in the dark for now.
There is a new Notebookcheck analysis of X80 pro, but the frequency is pretty low
Vivo X80 Pro smartphone review: Primus camera with huge fingerprint sensor
In our review, the Vivo X80 attempts to impress with a quad camera, Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, ample storage, fast charging and probably the largest, fastest and most versatile fingerprint sensor.
www.notebookcheck.net
Derpling said:
If you trigger the "show refresh rate" at the developer menu, you'll see it drops from 120hz to 10hz quite often.
Even if you'll force 60hz it will drop to 10hz, that's just how it works.
I don't think you can put a threshold of 60hz as minimum as opposed to 10hz.
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I am on W30 funtouch OS 12.0.12.12 and I noticed that Show Refresh Rate is now showing 120 Hz all the time if 120 Hz is selected in settings. Even Youtube is at 120 Hz which is great. Even in Smart switch mode the refresh rate only toggles between 60 Hz and 120 Hz . In essence LTPO has stopped working and I did not notice battery drainage as such so I am happy also due to concerns on LTPO safety on eyes and the phone feels fast irrespective of whether an app supports 120 Hz or not
Hey, so I bought this phone around a week ago and while I love its hardware, I'm having real trouble getting it to move smoothly.
Specifically, I noticed that the screen drops to 60 Hz or less in many apps (confirmed through developer options), slowing down things like the drop-down menu as well. Now I understand that YouTube and most apps do not support more than 60 Hz: however, I do not understand why the phone slows down the scrolling and the notification menu as well. I previously had a One Plus 7 Pro that remained buttery smooth in the menus, even when running YouTube.
Is there a way to force the screen to 120 Hz for Vivo phones? I have tried a lot of the options which work for other brands (tried Setedit, ADB commands, SmartHertz etc), yet they do not do anything on the X80 Pro.
Did anyone manage to force the refresh rate in any way on this phone or on another recent Vivo phone? I haven't been able to find much for X80 Pro specifically.
None so far, and all the apps support 120hz unless coded differently.
On mine ROG6, ALL apps works at ALL the refresh rates, on the vivo however, Youtube and spotify stuck on 60hz no matter what, it's purely Vivo's fault and i hope they'll fix it in the upcoming updates.
I hope they fix it soon as well, my Vivo is laggier than a midrange phone in daily use, despite having stellar hardware and great results in benchmarks. Certainly didn't expect that lol.
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I hope they fix it soon as well, my Vivo is laggier than a midrange phone in daily use, despite having stellar hardware and great results in benchmarks. Certainly didn't expect that lol.
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Yeah me neither, still shocked how slow it is compared to any phone, actually.
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Yeah me neither, still shocked how slow it is compared to any phone, actually.
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I am on W30 funtouch OS 12.0.12.12 and I noticed that Show Refresh Rate is now showing 120 Hz all the time if 120 Hz is selected in settings. Even Youtube is at 120 Hz which is great. Even in Smart switch mode the refresh rate only toggles between 60 Hz and 120 Hz . In essence LTPO has stopped working and I did not notice battery drainage as such so I am happy also due to concerns on LTPO safety on eyes and the phone feels fast irrespective of whether an app supports 120 Hz or not
I had to choose 120 Hz specifically, when I used "Auto" mode it was down to 60 Hz in e.g. Chrome/Brave. Now it's 120 Hz there. Only app I can see with 60 Hz are games and youtube.
Latest SmartHertz version now supports manual modes, maybe with forced mode it will work on Vivo. Try it!