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Had the phone a few days now and aside from the volume issues which I hope will be solved I have three other issues.
Can someone confirm 100% that there is no FM Radio - I'm 99.9% sure but I've seen threads from other people saying the radio quality is good.
No Self-Timer on the camera - I went to take a photo the other day and went to set the timer so I could be in it and there isn't one.
I can't seem to find anywhere to set the email sync frequency times (i.e. so it doesn't send email notifications in the middle of the night.
I've come from an HTC Desire HD and all of these features were standard so a little annoyed if they're all gone.
Were you running a stock HTC sense ROM?
I assume the camera additions were HTC's camera?
I thought stock Android used push notifications rather than polling and pulling every 5 minutes?? Maybe what you had was another HTC Sense feature?
Everything was standard out of the box, unlocked.
I know the Galaxy S2 has a self timer, also a radio, not sure about the email settings part though. I can set how often on the Nexus to pull from 5 minutes to 1 hour - but can't see any option of muting (off peak mode) it through the night so I don't get woken up every 10 minutes (business emails +100 a day)
I can confirm 100% there IS no FM radio on my Galaxy Nexus
The HTC Sense skin, in the same way that Samsung's TouchWiz does, adds lots of custom functionality on top of standard ASOP Android.
Maybe there are some apps out there to replicate what your Sense stuff used to do?
So to answer your thread title....... they aren't "missing features"...... its because you aren't running a HTC Sense ROM.
zarch1972 said:
The HTC Sense skin, in the same way that Samsung's TouchWiz does, adds lots of custom functionality on top of standard ASOP Android.
Maybe there are some apps out there to replicate what your Sense stuff used to do?
So to answer your thread title....... they aren't "missing features"...... its because you aren't running a HTC Sense ROM.
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I disagree I'd still say they are missing features, If they were present in AOSP there'd be no need for HTC & Samsung et al to add them. Having a timer in the camera app is pretty basic functionality that should really be present as standard.
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I disagree I'd still say they are missing features, If they were present in AOSP there'd be no need for HTC & Samsung et al to add them. Having a timer in the camera app is pretty basic functionality that should really be present as standard.
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i also disagree on your statement,
so now the AOSP camera version has time laps video option, and video effects (change you faces while recording video),
do you then call this missing features for the rest of the phones?
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i also disagree on your statement,
so now the AOSP camera version has time laps video option, and video effects (change you faces while recording video),
do you then call this missing features for the rest of the phones?
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I understand what you're saying but to me a self-timer is a basic function that's found on most phones I've come across - the other effects are nice but in my mind not as essential as a timer.
I disagree with that. YOU look for those features. I currently been through 5 devices in the past few months that don't have your "missing" features. They are missing to YOU, but THEY are not standard features. I'd say only 10% at best of all the phones out there have those features so it's far standard(note: I do not know the exact %, but it has to be less than 20%)
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stiffn said:
I can't seem to find anywhere to set the email sync frequency times (i.e. so it doesn't send email notifications in the middle of the night.
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Android tends doesn't notify in the middle of the night.. I'm not exactly sure how it does it but I sleep right next to a tablet and a phone both of which beep merrily during the day but I never get a peep out of them overnight.
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I can't seem to find anywhere to set the email sync frequency times (i.e. so it doesn't send email notifications in the middle of the night.
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What you're asking for and 'sync frequency' are 2 different things. You're looking for something to silence notifications at night; sync frequency is how often the phone pulls new data down for your accounts.
The name is slipping my mind right now (will update if I find it!), but there are definitely apps in the market that silence the phone for different intervals, such as over night. ROMs like CM7 have this built in as "quiet hours". You can choose to silence notifications but not alarms or phone calls, etc.
Check out Sweet Dreams. Think it'll do what you want.
Could also look at Bedside (Night Clock). It has a "white list" to block some notifications and not others.
The app Tasker is a bit overkill for just this (unless you use for other things too), but it'll do what you're asking.
TonyHoyle said:
Android tends doesn't notify in the middle of the night.. I'm not exactly sure how it does it but I sleep right next to a tablet and a phone both of which beep merrily during the day but I never get a peep out of them overnight.
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That's probably because you are a heavy sleeper mate. Also people send out less emails and texts at night.
Anyway there are certain apps you can use to either change your sound profiles at certain times, or to disable data syncing. Personally I use Juice Defender to turn off data at night when I'm not using the phone. I don't have to set silent mode at night cause I am a heavy sleeper too and phone beeps don't wake me up.
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I disagree with that. YOU look for those features. I currently been through 5 devices in the past few months that don't have your "missing" features. They are missing to YOU, but THEY are not standard features. I'd say only 10% at best of all the phones out there have those features so it's far standard(note: I do not know the exact %, but it has to be less than 20%)
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I'd be surprised if only 10% of new camera phones had a self-timer function. It's a bit like saying a flash for the camera shouldn't be standard as they never existed on the first camera phones but you'd sure as heck kick up a stink if a new phone was released without a flash for the camera wouldn't you ? Or how about a car with manual locking instead of central locking. Surely with a phone of this caliber a self-timer isn't exactly a special feature.
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Android tends doesn't notify in the middle of the night.. I'm not exactly sure how it does it but I sleep right next to a tablet and a phone both of which beep merrily during the day but I never get a peep out of them overnight.
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Yeah that's exactly what I'm finding, I'm not receiving emails after a certain time on my phone. I work with a lot of companies in the US and I'm in the UK so I do many late nights and I want to be able to set when emails arrive or don't on my phone, not when they think I should be sleeping or awake otherwise I end up sitting with my phone and laptop both out if I'm expecting an important mail to arrive rather than relaxing in bed with the phone by my side, and even a manual refresh doesn't bring the mails down after a certain time.
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Had the phone a few days now and aside from the volume issues which I hope will be solved I have three other issues.
Can someone confirm 100% that there is no FM Radio - I'm 99.9% sure but I've seen threads from other people saying the radio quality is good.
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I don't have my GN yet, so I can only comment on your first question: I'm pretty sure, if people talk about radio quality, they mean either the quality of mobile signal reception or the sound/speech quality of incoming and outgoing calls. Radio quality most definitely doesn't refer to an actual FM Radio.
So to make a long story short: There's no FM Radio in the GN.
Browser Dimming
I know on thing that I will not miss coming from SGSII is the auto-dimming in the browser.. I have turned off all power-management tools (I think?!) but yet on the SII, anytime I tried using the browser, autodim!
Can anyone with a GN confirm that this "feature" is gone?
thanks!
TonyHoyle said:
Android tends doesn't notify in the middle of the night.. I'm not exactly sure how it does it but I sleep right next to a tablet and a phone both of which beep merrily during the day but I never get a peep out of them overnight.
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There is an overnight mode (sleep hours).
Its not in Gmail its in, the settings under notifications somewhere.
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I know on thing that I will not miss coming from SGSII is the auto-dimming in the browser.. I have turned off all power-management tools (I think?!) but yet on the SII, anytime I tried using the browser, autodim!
Can anyone with a GN confirm that this "feature" is gone?
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It still dims, but if you go into settings > display, you can change the sleep time to like 10 minutes and it won't dim for ages.
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There is an overnight mode (sleep hours).
Its not in Gmail its in, the settings under notifications somewhere.
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I think that's a Cyanogenmod setting, not stock Android. Not that I can find anyway.
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Thanks for the quick reply.. just to confirm, I'm not referring to the overall system settings of the display but specifically (on Samsungs) the auto-dimming of the browser.
I have Google Apps and am trying to ring my device remotely while its set to vibrate. It rings once at full volume then stops (its supposed to ring for five minutes at full volume). If I call my phone it makes a quick chirp and then goes into silent mode from vibrate (its supposed to stay at full volume). Can someone please test theirs?
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I have Google Apps and am trying to ring my device remotely while its set to vibrate. It rings once at full volume then stops (its supposed to ring for five minutes at full volume). If I call my phone it makes a quick chirp and then goes into silent mode from vibrate (its supposed to stay at full volume). Can someone please test theirs?
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Works fine for me.
In working with Google, the resolution was:
Paid Google Apps should use: https://www.google.com/apps/mydevices
Regular Android Consumers: https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager
Using the Google Apps link all the functionality works great.
It did the same thing for me. One ring at full volume, then fell back to silent.
The Google ID i have tied to this phone is my personal one, so I can only use the "Regular Android Customers"
Working fine here.
My wife uses the HTC One on T-Mobile, and we see this behavior on her phone as well. I don't remember my One on Verizon having this issue, but in fairness I never tried it until after I flashed CM 10.2. Anyway, it's not specific to the Verizon edition. Whether that's comforting or not, I can't say.
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It did the same thing for me. One ring at full volume, then fell back to silent.
The Google ID i have tied to this phone is my personal one, so I can only use the "Regular Android Customers"
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Same here. One ring only.
Old thread but the same for me.
Rings once.
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Old thread but the same for me.
Rings once.
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Same here. Rings once, then unable to trigger again. Not sure what the retry threshold is supposed to be.
Just tested it with my Note3 and it does the same, rings only once no matter if the phone is set to vibrate or not. Although it seems to track it fine even though I'm indoors.
But I already had the chance to put this to good use a few weeks ago to find my father's S3. He called one evening upset and said he thinks he lost his phone on the golf course somewhere. I started to get mad at myself for not having installed one of the tracker apps on his phone. It was already near dark and we have heavy dew that would have ruined the phone overnight. So I called Verizon and asked if there was anything we could do. The rep asked if he had a Google account setup on the phone and whether or not GPS was on. I said yes to both and he instructed me how to login at Google.com and track the phone with Android Device Manager. It worked perfect. It pin-pointed the phone of the golf course and my father and I went to retrieve it. It was really dark by then and I was using my phone, signed into his Google account, to see the map. We went to where the map indicated the phone was but still didn't see it even with flashlights. So I clicked the ring option and we heard his ringtone clearly in the quiet darkness. It was less than 10 feet from where we were looking and it was lying face down it thick grass. Had it not been for the ringer, we may have overlooked it and just assumed the mapped location wasn't very accurate.
So that story had a happy ending and at least the ring option worked on the S3, but it still only rings once on my Note3. And when I immediately click the ring option a second time it doesn't ring at all. If I wait 30secs to a minute and try it again, it will ring but only once. My father had a song ringtone on his S3 and I just have one of the default ringtones on my Note3. Wonder if that makes a difference? Will have to test it sometime.
Also I'm curious to see if the device tracker will work well with GPS turned off? The rep asked me if GPS was turned on, and I knew my father gets good battery life and just leaves his GPS, Bluetooth, and WiFi on. I was so excited to see it track the phone that I forgot to ask if it would work with the GPS turned off. The battery on the Note3 also lasts about 2 days even with GPS and Wifi on, so I'm planning on leaving GPS on just in case.
So, with a Galaxy Note 5, just updated to Marshmallow 6.0.1, I can't get it to ring at all (didn't try with 5.1.1).
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So, with a Galaxy Note 5, just updated to Marshmallow 6.0.1, I can't get it to ring at all (didn't try with 5.1.1).
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Is Android device manager allowed as a device manager under settings->security ?
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dottat said:
Is Android device manager allowed as a device manager under settings->security ?
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Yes it is.
It says I'm connected bit I'm not seeing any notifications anymore. I'm puzzled why it stopped. Anybody else have this issue?
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coldconfession13 said:
It says I'm connected bit I'm not seeing any notifications anymore. I'm puzzled why it stopped. Anybody else have this issue?
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I am not getting any at all. Dont know why.
Muted? Airplane mode?
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Muted? Airplane mode?
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If muted there will be a bell with a slash on it. Slide down while on the watch face to mute/unmute.
Airplane mode, say "OK Google, Settings" or tap the face, slide up, second from the last, third from the top.
I had to do a reset and it fixed itself. I think the issue was going out of range multiple times with the htc one m8. I had this same issue with my sony smartwatch 2. It would just eventually not connect anymore and would have to repair. With this watch it had a false connect even though I would unpair it thru the settings and set up the watch in the android wear app. It still didn't do anything. A reset of the watch would fix the issue with the resetup of the watch. I think this is an issue. If the device goes out of range multiple times with a connect and disconnect it eventually stops connecting then reports a false connect.
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It says I'm connected bit I'm not seeing any notifications anymore. I'm puzzled why it stopped. Anybody else have this issue?
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I've woken up to this problem this morning as well. Airplane mode is not on.. It's not Muted. Just doesn't work. Did a reset on the watch.. still nothing. Phone is a Note 3
Edit* Power cycled my phone and now they work again.. weird
Also, make sure under settings->security on the phone that you have notification access enabled for wear.
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Also, make sure under settings->security on the phone that you have notification access enabled for wear.
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This. They won't send over unless you do this.
johnomaz said:
This. They won't send over unless you do this.
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I can get notifications, but they are silent and only vibrate. Can I adjust this?
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I can get notifications, but they are silent and only vibrate. Can I adjust this?
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The Moto 360 doesn't make noise. On my phone, notifications still act the same with the sound and what not. The watch face for me turns on and vibrates. I have an LG G3
Just had to reset again cause it stopped receiving notifications but showed connected.
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Just had to reset again cause it stopped receiving notifications but showed connected.
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When you lose connection with your 360, if you open the Wear app on your phone, does it still say connected? If so, try and reconnect with Android Wear to your 360, does it not reconnect? (This is happening to me)
Try reconnecting on Wear, your 360 may say that you've lost connection (Cloud with a slash icon). Try reconnecting again from the Wear app, if that doesn't work, try repairing your 360, that should work. (4/5 times it works for me)
Resetting does seem to work as well, I did it yesterday and went 16 hours without a disconnect, previous day was 7 in 6 hours. But this morning I walked away from my 360 with my phone and lost connection and it started disconnecting again.
Q: What ROM are you using with your One?
Just got mine today and it's disconnected twice on me already. Although it says its connected I don't get notifications. Hope we can get some insight into this.
Two Verizon Note 8s in this house. Neither one is handling notifications well. We're coming from two Note 4s that never had any issues with notifications.
Issues:
1. I have twitter, facebook, gmail installed and am using the Verizon messenger app. My phone generally makes sounds when I get a notification, but the notification light only blinks every once in a while. I don't use AOD, so I rely on the notification light to tell me when I have notifications. There have been times when my phone has been idle for an hour or two where I don't get notifications until I turn on the screen.
2. Wife's phone. She gets a lot more notifications than I do. She is having problems with notifications not coming in after the phone sits idle for a few hours. Once the phone screen is turned back on, all of the notifications come rushing in and she gets a ton of alert sounds in a row.
I have not been able to figure out what's going on with this. I checked to make sure that do not disturb is turned off. Neither one of us use it.
Is this a software issue, or something that we're not doing correctly? On Note 4, notifications just worked. There wasn't anything special needed.
Thanks
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Two Verizon Note 8s in this house. Neither one is handling notifications well. We're coming from two Note 4s that never had any issues with notifications.
Issues:
1. I have twitter, facebook, gmail installed and am using the Verizon messenger app. My phone generally makes sounds when I get a notification, but the notification light only blinks every once in a while. I don't use AOD, so I rely on the notification light to tell me when I have notifications. There have been times when my phone has been idle for an hour or two where I don't get notifications until I turn on the screen.
2. Wife's phone. She gets a lot more notifications than I do. She is having problems with notifications not coming in after the phone sits idle for a few hours. Once the phone screen is turned back on, all of the notifications come rushing in and she gets a ton of alert sounds in a row.
I have not been able to figure out what's going on with this. I checked to make sure that do not disturb is turned off. Neither one of us use it.
Is this a software issue, or something that we're not doing correctly? On Note 4, notifications just worked. There wasn't anything special needed.
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It may be a software issue. this affects the S8/S8+ also. More and more reports on notifications not coming through especially text.
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So, if it is on the S8/S8+, then it's unlikely that they'll ever do anything useful to fix it?
Notifications are the one thing that I hate about this phone. They're completely unreliable and I have to turn on my phone to check and make sure that I didn't have anything come in. It's the one thing that makes me miss my Note 4.
I have this problem since Nougat on all my devices. For me it was the power saving features, forgot exactly which one, but it basically shut down the apps totally until I woke the phone up.
Just an edit to my post. When I pickup or awake the device all my notifications come through at once , is that what you are talking about ?
If you find a solution let me know.
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I have this problem since Nougat on all my devices. For me it was the power saving features, forgot exactly which one, but it basically shut down the apps totally until I woke the phone up.
Just an edit to my post. When I pickup or awake the device all my notifications come through at once , is that what you are talking about ?
If you find a solution let me know.
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Yes. In my case, it is not always picking up notifications for GMail. I tried to add GMail to the list of unmonitored apps, and it was not available. I'm not sure what else I can do.
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Yes. In my case, it is not always picking up notifications for GMail. I tried to add GMail to the list of unmonitored apps, and it was not available. I'm not sure what else I can do.
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Hello mate, it happens to my Galaxy tab s2 on Android 7 often. As soon as I open it out of standby all telegram messages pop over. Weird thing is , it doesn't always behave that way as I can hear my Telegram and what's app notifications on that sometimes when using same account etc on the Note 8.
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Hello mate, it happens to my Galaxy tab s2 on Android 7 often. As soon as I open it out of standby all telegram messages pop over. Weird thing is , it doesn't always behave that way as I can hear my Telegram and what's app notifications on that sometimes when using same account etc on the Note 8.
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Well, it's annoying as hell. My Note 4 never did this. I could always rely on getting my notifications.
Makes me wonder if I should use the regular email app for Gmail, and then dump the GMail app.
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Well, it's annoying as hell. My Note 4 never did this. I could always rely on getting my notifications.
Makes me wonder if I should use the regular email app for Gmail, and then dump the GMail app.
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Luckily for me the Gmail account isn't my primary email address. Have you whitelisted some apps from power saving to see if it changes the notification behavior?
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Luckily for me the Gmail account isn't my primary email address. Have you whitelisted some apps from power saving to see if it changes the notification behavior?
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I tried to add GMail to the list of unmonitored apps, but it did not show up in the list of options for whatever reason.
If you use Gmail s
There is a setting to notify all mail you may need to turn on.
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I tried to add GMail to the list of unmonitored apps, but it did not show up in the list of options for whatever reason.
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Probably except as it's a built in Google app.
I guess that leaves you with the option of what you mentioned earlier. Add the Gmail account to the existing email app. Bummer.
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It's on. It notifies sometimes, but if the phone has been in standby for a while, it stops. It definitely seems like a doze issue.
Same problems here
Notifications hit or miss. I have disabled all the power saving options, disabled all the restrictions on the individual apps, disabled all the data restrictions on the apps. Everything I could think of. Once the phone has been sitting for about 10 minutes on the desk, it seems to just go to sleep. Nothing comes through until I pick it up and start doing something with it. Then the notifications all seem to come in at once. This seems to hold true for any messaging app, email, etc. This is a horrible problem.
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She is having problems with notifications not coming in after the phone sits idle for a few hours. Once the phone screen is turned back on, all of the notifications come rushing in and she gets a ton of alert sounds in a row.
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My wife is having the same issue, but on a Sprint Note 8. When she opens her phone in the morning she get's a bunch of notifications pouring in from several different apps. So since y'all are VZW and we're Sprint it has to be specific to the phone and not the network. this has me worried because it's text messages and everything if she hasn't touched the phone in an hour or more.
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Same problem here.
Note 8 Germany DBT - no branding.
Since last week notifications wont come through when the device is idling. I have paired it with a Garmin Fenix 5x and set it to pass the important notifications via Smart Notifications to the watch.
This no longer works and I missed some important notifications. I have to change my behaviour to regularly check my phone and this is very annoying!
Stock firmware with latest patches.
While I love my 7T, I still missing a feature from my Pixel 4 XL phone: The auto DND mode while driving. Is it possible somehow to use e.g. Tasker to auto enable DND while driving and then after a while stopped the car (e.g. 10 mins or so) disable DND mode again? Does such a profile already exists?
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I think create a profile that triggers the DND while your phone is connected with the car's BT and disable it after putting a Wait for 10 mins. If you are familiar with Tasker then you can create this profile very easily. If this is not you meant then please let me know.
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I think create a profile that triggers the DND while your phone is connected with the car's BT and disable it after putting a Wait for 10 mins. If you are familiar with Tasker then you can create this profile very easily. If this is not you meant then please let me know.
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I don't have Bluetooth in my car, I use AirPods Pro and Bose 700 ANC.
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I don't have Bluetooth in my car, I use AirPods Pro and Bose 700 ANC.
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Oh, then my suggestion won't work. But may I know in your Pixel phone how does it trigger the DND while driving? How does it know that you are driving?
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Oh, then my suggestion won't work. But may I know in your Pixel phone how does it trigger the DND while driving? How does it know that you are driving?
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It's a part of the DND on Pixels running Android 9 and above. Recently it's become a part of the Google Play Services. You just simply add it as a DND profile and then you can set the properties.
I guess it knows when you drive above 20 km/h and when you've stopped moving for about 7-10 minutes it disables the DND driving profile if it was already disabled.
A little like it works on iOS devices. Quite simple and genious, I kind of like it. Set and forget ?
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It's a part of the DND on Pixels running Android 9 and above. Recently it's become a part of the Google Play Services. You just simply add it as a DND profile and then you can set the properties.
I guess it knows when you drive above 20 km/h and when you've stopped moving for about 7-10 minutes it disables the DND driving profile if it was already disabled.
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I think it is a Pixel only feature and that is built into it. I couldn't find it in my phone. So I think there's no way to automatically turn it on at present. Lemme check if it can be done using Tasker or any plugin.
EDIT: Yes, just read that it is a Pixel only feature.
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I think it is a Pixel only feature and that is built into it. I couldn't find it in my phone. So I think there's no way to automatically turn it on at present. Lemme check if it can be done using Tasker or any plugin.
EDIT: Yes, just read that it is a Pixel only feature.
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Darn ?* Of course it is ?* .... Oh well, thanks for trying.