Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
as a successor the original V30 in 2018, it’ safe to assume the presence of Snapdragon 845 SoC and of course, the RAM may get a bump to 6GB as well
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Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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ChazzMatt said:
Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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I saw the news on Android Authority as well. They mentioned it could potentially be the V30+a with the A standing for Assistant or AI. If it ends up being some sort of gimmicky crap like Samsung's Bixby, I have zero interest. If it ends up being something like the AI processor Huawei uses with their Kirin 970 chips, then I am definitely interested.
As for what LG is currently saying they are going to do by not chasing the top manufactures seems like they are sort of admitting that they can't play in the flagship market anymore after a decade of consistent failing to have a profitable mobile business. Every time the new person in charge opens their mouth, seems like they have less and less of an idea of what they need to do to actually get their act together.
Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.
Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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The promises were made based on LG's policies. Since 2015, the only reason LG releases an open market version of flagship is for Developer Bootloader unlock. And both European and North America open market flagships are placed on that list. I can show you that list if you can't find it.
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But LG can do what it wishes and when it wishes.
For the U.S. market they tend to wait until last on the list of "to-do" items, just as they are getting ready to launch the NEXT flagship. For the G6 US997, took SIX WEEKS after release (from mid May to end of June) -- and this past week was week #6 for the US998 V30 since release (but only week #3 for the US998 V30+).
LG never promised a timeline for bootloader unlock and neither can forum enthusiasts. But it has always happened since LG started this LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
Complicating matters, now the whole LG mobile division has been reorganized and the G7 cancelled.
LG might decide not to do it this time for the open market LG US998. I bought three of these phones, so my money is where my mouth is. Yeah, I'd be disappointed.
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Coming up with a new upgraded/superior model before unlocking BL is such a slap. I woldnt buy v30 when the successor and s845 devices are on the shelves as it looks will be. I know, then get ready for another torturing round of waiting and waiting .
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Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.
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I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014) -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. I think that was a mistake as most people didn't want 6" display phones on 2014. It was even bigger than Samsung Note. Google should have released BOTH or just the smaller one.
Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)
ChazzMatt said:
I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014 -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)
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I liked the V20 but never ended up buying one. It was ugly with that LG branding on the front of it. I still think the second screen is more practical than that stupid moveable thing. Where I expected the evolution to really come, would have been if LG had kept a second screen, but when the screen is on, the user would have a choice to extend the main screen up on to the second. Sadly, they didn't go that route.
I had two Galaxy Nexus devices and a Nexus 5. I stayed away from the Nexus 4 due to the many software issues it had and was weary about buying the Nexus 5 but did anyway. I don't regret it either. It was a great phone, just ugly. I still use my Moto Nexus 6 to this day. Google made Motorola great again, then sold it. I think they will do some awesome things with HTC that will also hurt LG, especially after the complaints with the Pixel 2 XL screens.
Nice right up Chazz. I agree the the fragmentation of the lg product line.
The only gripe I have is when the Samsung note was called too big. Now I agree it has been too big at one point in the past and now once again it is. But Samsung nailed it for a few years. Note 1 and 2 were definitely too wide. By the time they got to the note 3 they got the dimensions right. Those dimensions stayed mostly unchangd for 4, 5 and 7.
One of the big reasons I ended up with the V30 is how close dimensionaly it is to the note 3 I was upgrading from.
I do agree the note 8 is too big/tall and Samsung phones in general are too tall now. I guess since they already tried too wide they had to make it bigger in a different direction.
I still find it funny how the note 8 was constantly being called a phablet and now most phones are either the same size or smaller then the older notes.
Personally I never followed LG much. Always had friends which LG phones that broke, never knew anyone that was happy with them as far as build quality was concerned. This started back before they even started making smart phones.
I bought the first Samsung galaxy and doing research at the time on which phone to buy and after using it I knew Samsung was going to do well. Back then they really were making the best phones. They had to start to ruin them with touchwiz though.
I had hoped that I would find a new phone that would be as close to how perfect I felt the note 3 was. Disappointedly nothing is. But the V30 is definitely the closest I can currently get.
Thankfully LG didn't remove most of the hardware features that some of us have come a custom to.
Since coming from the note I'm only missing the pen, notification led and removable battery (which is clearly a thing of the past) and some durability, that thing could take a beating. But this seems to be true for all new phones.
And the worse of all, root. But I've read all you have to say about that. Unfortunately it not always that easy in some regions.
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I change my device all the time, because I get itchy for something different. In the past two years, my history looks like this:
Note5, S7 Edge, HTC 10, LG V20, S8+, Note8, LG V30
Although I enjoyed the unlocked bootloader from the Note5, HTC 10, and V20, the Note8 and V30 are both very usable without root. Some people will never buy a phone that cannot be rooted, and that's their choice and perfectly fine with me. I used to be the same way, but recently have tried to survive without it, and done quite well. Android is much more mature a platform now, and no longer needs root to make it perform decently.
If the rumors of the S9/S9+ having stereo speakers is true, then I'm headed back to Samsung land. Even when I needed root to make a device usable (Note5), I couldn't get past the horrid speaker setup that Samsung puts on even their $1000 phones.
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However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections.
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Er, the camera was a big improvement on the G4. I never would have dreamt LG'd provide a camera with as extensive manual controls compared to the iphone like camera they put on the G3. They saw what sammy did on the K zoom and actually topped it. Sammy forgot they ever made the k with the design of the s6's camera
The G4 had a subtly curved screen. The G3 was flat screen. Great in the hand with leather backs. Case ? what bloody case, the phone never felt like you'd drop it.
OEM battery charger, finally they got a clue that an independent charger is essential OUTSIDE Korea if replaceable batteries are ever to make sense. The g3 didn't have that.
This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
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What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess.
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The V10 was too big for me and this is why i ended up with the G4. Which was so unique.we'll never see another. The ergonomics were very good. leather backs. Who has that.
The next problem was the limited availability. Very few markets saw the V10
The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
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People who wanted the bigger phone went with it. The Note stood out. The note 5 was demoted and the s6e+ (who comes up with these names) was pushed instead. Never happened before. The note 4 was the last great Note. The closest you get to it is the V20 today.
Then to add insult to injury the Note 7 got banned by world govt (!) why isn't the note dead already
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
Same with S & Note owners. There are subtle differences between both series and the twain shall never meet
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
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The downside was the bootloop problem with the G4 & V10. Everybody that wanted a good camera got either of the two. Period
The slam the G5 got was people thought they should have improved on the G4 further. The G5 was too radical. Anyone that wants a really good camera, should check out the G5. Sensors got smaller from there on and continued getting smaller to the point the one on the V30 is now smaller than on an iphone. They wanted to get rid of the bump (!) Great, they did that.
With the G4 on to the G5, you KNEW you were packing. Don't get that feel with the V20, its still good but those were better
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
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Not ugly and you get used to the size. Second display comes in handy for quick picks.
People with a Z play make the point that it comes with dual sim AND micro sd. Such a rarity these days. Guess what i got that with the G4 AND V20. For some reason this hybrid nonsense makes it into the G's5 & 6 and V30 et al.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
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last time they reginalised specs was G3 with the asinine 2/3Gb memory. The G6 region builds was a mistake.
The Asian G6 was full specs, maybe this is why they did a V30+ plus here. Funny that. The G6 was to good that they had to up the game with a v30 plus
What annoys me with these Korean phones is the excessive number of SKU's which just make it a pain. Why not make just one for the ENTIRE world.
Innovative design of G6/V30 makes LG not stand out from the crowd, It's a samey looking phone isn't it with hybrid sim & a sealed battery. yeah real great
So many reviewers say the same thing and its this conformity that gets me down. The G4 and on up to the V20 refused to conform.
The G6 & V30 are pretty, yeah. Funny how these are considered quality but everything before isn't ?
All throughout is LG's discriminating practice of allowing bootloader unlock only in certain markets. They Euros get it because God said so. Why does only T-mo get it though and not the other US operators?
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
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And you stand countered SIR!
Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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HaHaHaHaHa LMMFAO!!! Well said Sir!!
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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
The Asian G6 was full specs,
And you stand countered SIR!
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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post.
OK, we do agree on the Note 7. I could write paragraphs about that. Not all Note 7 had problems, but Samsung proved (by bricking all the Note 7 to force people to turn in their phones) if you don't root your phone the OEM/carrier still owns your phone. You didn't buy it, you are really renting it.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. I would have bought an open market G6 with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, more internal storage. They were ALL regionalized. An "all spec" G6 would have been a winner (Qi wireless, quad DAC, more than 32GB storage) -- but LG didn't want to make it "too good". Because it would have been better than the recent V20, especially with the almost zero bezel design. So, they felt they had to bring it down a notch, by regionalizing the specs.
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owners. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place. See the G6 example and even the silly G5. LG would never put those bottom removable mods on their precious V series! And they shouldn't have done it to the G.
If LG had never done the V series -- if they had just concentrated on making ONE phone the best -- the G series would have become better and better instead of the circus sideshow the G5 was.
G4 was an iterative update to the G3. I stand by that. You need to look up the meaning of the word iterative. Just like the 2018 Samsung S9 is expected to be an iterative update to the 2017 Galaxy S8. There will be some slight improvements. The G4 was slight improvement over the G3.
I owned a G4 for a short period of time and specifically did not want a leather back. I always put a case on my phones, to protect the back and the screen (from flat drops onto the floor).
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. What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
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Why didn't they add those video controls and better audio to the G4 to make it a FANTASTIC phone? Or to the next year's G5? They were "saving" their better stuff for the V10 and V20. That's been LG's problem. Rather than make 2 GREAT phones per year, they seem concerned about making 1.5 great phones per year.
With the 2017 G6, LG got back on good design track -- but messed up by regionalizing the spec. A "full spec" G6 in early 2017 (even with Snapdragon 821) would have competed with S8/s8+ -- and then the V30 was an evolved version of the G6. However, LG didn't do a full spec G6 until JULY 2017, and called it the G6+. It's was a different phone, a separate release MONTHS later from the G6. But served no real purpose, as it still had Snapdragon 821, when everybody and their brother had already released Snapdragon 835 phones. But the mid-year G6+ is what the early 2017 G6 should have been.
They also messed up because LG doesn't know how to RELEASE a phone. You can't just ANNOUNCE it, you have to also ship it. Their regionalized, Snapdragon 821 G6 phone SHIPPED at the same time the Galaxy S8/S8+ was shipping. If they could have actually BEATEN Samsung to market with a full spec G6, it would have worked.
I'm happy with the V30, but I feel like LG wasted two years and a ton of money trying to create two separate phone series, when they needed to just concentrate on making ONE excellent phone.
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Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.
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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post. You corrected or countered nothing.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. They were all regionalized.
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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
Show me the same incidence of bootlooped G5 & V20's. Who here can do that. I've hung in those communities for well over a year. Not seeing the numbers in comparison to the G4 & V10.
The Asian G6 doesn't have wireless charging. Big deal. It came with 64GB and an audio dac which were missing on euro & American variants for no good reason. This is why you say they didn't want to make the G good enough. Well, it applies to this year only which would make it an exception. I would not be using this reasoning for the previous two years. THAT is what i'm challenging
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owers. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place.
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Why does your argument not apply to the Note series ? the Note always had the best specs until the 5 because its a non-sensical argument
You may not have said there was any tension but the point stands, nobody felt short changed when the V series came out if they had a G prior. I actually picked up a G after the V10 came out. The weird reduction in specs for the G6 is an exception compared to the previous two years. We've discussed that already and agree the blame lies entirely with LG's decisions this year
Could the same be said about the one plus 5 and the T? No, because the T is a better spec'd 5 as is the case with the 3
People are going to point to sales numbers to make their point. I'm talking about what they've done.
I picked up a V20 before the V30 came out and was surprised at how aggressive their pricing was in India. It's moving but not at the same extent as the 5T but then the 5T isn't as good as the V30+
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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.
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I agree the SD845 is worth waiting for. Whatever the G7 is going to be called is supposed to get the 6GB of RAM treatment too. Both of those things are worth the wait. I haven't seen anything about whether or not they are going to keep the dual front cameras that the G7 was supposed to have. I am not a selfie person so I don't really care either way, but t would be nice to have a slightly better front camera than came with the V30/V30+.
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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
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10nm process meant non availability. LG has this bee in their bonnet where they have to be first out the gate or perceived that way. quad hd screen on the G3 ? was that necessary. So to beat sammy meant the G6 had to come out before the S8. I don't have an issue with the 820, it was the differing regional builds that queered it up
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
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I don't have a problem with the idea of mods. You can knock the implementation and in the end you didn't need any mods to run the G5 which was a pretty fine phone in itself. Provided you ignored what the reviewers were saying about intangibles like design. Why refuse the phone if you don't want the mds. I prefer to have options and not need them than the other way around
JBL sound boost, will beat any phone speaker ever made. The battery mod will boost battery life on the motos. No replaceable battery any more well, this is how you do it from the OEM who tried to standardise connections so 3rd parties could join. There is future proof-ness with mods. Offering alternatives. This is the Android way. You don't want to be in a world where all phones are the same. one company only makes screens. That same one company also makes CPU's
iphones have a ton of 3rd party add ons. will you refuse an iphone because these alternatives exist. of course not so why slam an OEM when they offer them, In fact they above all will do a much better job than any 3rd party could. Every time.
If you question whether mods are worth the money then that is a different question. Mods from one phone will not work with another and hence are a waste of money. But look at people overspending on X & pixels & surfaces. It's about indulgence. There is no reasoning with them,
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
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Giving credit where its due
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
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I'm fine with one phone a year or even one phone every two years. Gives them time to design and come out with something good. it also means updates will be more timely and reliable. Trying to put out phones every six months is a crazy schedule it leads to small improvements where you need to skip at least two models to feel you actually got an upgrade. And at times a downgraded because some things get removed. Aren't others ding the same. Who then buys the phones they put out.
But there is this fear if they aren't in the public eye then its a slow death. LG scaled back on their ads after the G3. When the G3 came out i got hammered by ads every day for a full month whenever i watched a phone related yutube video. It got to the point i was so fed up. Then it suddenly stopped. I've never seen an LG ad on youtube since. I've got to go look for them. G4 ? nobody heard of it. The shops didn't stock demo models because LG didn't pay the rent. I had to go searching in the city until i fund a store that did.
The commissions on samsung, apple, lower end phones are better so i find more shops stocking them.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
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Ah, the moto max/turbo. For some reason that phone didn't get the traction it deserved. I remember watching reviews and you got this feeling that it was very fast and smooth.
The only weak point with moto's is the camera. They always seem to be more than a year behind. LG otoh was in the forefront, not quite these days though but good enough. MXP was also an 808, no bootloop problem there. it really beggars belief how LG, a company in the business for over ten years could have made boot loop prone phones
MXP also had the same ergonomic tapering design with good grip that just disappeared in 2016 where it became boring 'premium' glass & metal. Slippery as hell, fingerprints galore, prone to damage. not fit for life. Phones are meant to be used not just looked at.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
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Except the camera on the axon isn't going to hold a candle to the G5. Only Chinese phone that gets there are the huawei's P10's & mate which came out the year after. heh.
Availability. If you put lineage on the axon 7 you have a cheap phone with updates and no spyware/bloatware.
The only thing LG had to do was front facing speakers. They have shied away from it. The G5 could have incorporated a dac without requiring a mod. In the US it was the FCC that required each and every mod to be cleared. Adding mods changes the radio pattern it seems. Their mods weren't available in the US. Moto somehow satisifed this requirement. This was a slip up on LG's part.
You see how subtle the difference is here. No point having mods if they aren't available.
Pixel has a better camera if you're the one who wants to just point and click. Not having access to manual options limits creativity. Those manual options i use less than 5% of the time but i would not give them u because they offer just the edge others do not have. Sammy & huawei excepted.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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I will agree with the underlined bit only when it comes to this year and the G6 & V30. Which means you are commenting on a very specific point in time. That is what i want to highlight to readers. I'm taking a longer view. Tactics changed this year, not necessarily for the better
If LG are facing trouble its because the market is very competitive. Some missteps along the way. Too little advertising and when they do announce something taking several months to put it out. high prices for phones across the board. No wonder people run to the plus 5.
V30 in blue is very attractive.
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Android for me does not mean stock. It means having hardware options. Micro sd, camera, headphone jack, replaceable battery, mods even
The custom skins the Koreans use does not trouble me. it does imply a longer lead time with updates but i'd rather get an OS upgrade six months after google puts it out and know that developers for all the apps i use had sufficient time to make their apps compatible. Everything works.
ChazzMatt said:
You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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I really like the V30/V30+ design as well. For the first time in a very long time, LG produced a phone that looked as decent as the specs. I also prefer the wide-angle camera over the 2x zoom you find on most phones and also in comparison to a monochrome sensor. Where I think LG failed, at least witht he V30/V30+ comes right from the LG US Support Twitter message reply as to why there are so many non-uniform screens on V30/V30+'s.
"Hi there! Thank you for taking the time in reaching us out. Now, in regards to your concern, the color variation that you mentioned on e display of the V30 is not considered as a defect. It is caused by the P-OLED(Plastic-OLED) variation of luminance in production process characteristics. You can increase the brightness of the display to lessen or to eliminate the symptom."
Basically saying a fault in the process is a characteristic, not a defect, is such a crock! Answers and policies like that will lead to their mobile division being non-existent sooner than later.