Instead of G7, LG may release upgraded V30 - LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion

Instead of G7, LG may release upgraded V30 - LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion

Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
as a successor the original V30 in 2018, it’ safe to assume the presence of Snapdragon 845 SoC and of course, the RAM may get a bump to 6GB as well
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Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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ChazzMatt said:
Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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brossovitch said:
Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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I saw the news on Android Authority as well. They mentioned it could potentially be the V30+a with the A standing for Assistant or AI. If it ends up being some sort of gimmicky crap like Samsung's Bixby, I have zero interest. If it ends up being something like the AI processor Huawei uses with their Kirin 970 chips, then I am definitely interested.
As for what LG is currently saying they are going to do by not chasing the top manufactures seems like they are sort of admitting that they can't play in the flagship market anymore after a decade of consistent failing to have a profitable mobile business. Every time the new person in charge opens their mouth, seems like they have less and less of an idea of what they need to do to actually get their act together.
Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.

Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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The promises were made based on LG's policies. Since 2015, the only reason LG releases an open market version of flagship is for Developer Bootloader unlock. And both European and North America open market flagships are placed on that list. I can show you that list if you can't find it.
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But LG can do what it wishes and when it wishes.
For the U.S. market they tend to wait until last on the list of "to-do" items, just as they are getting ready to launch the NEXT flagship. For the G6 US997, took SIX WEEKS after release (from mid May to end of June) -- and this past week was week #6 for the US998 V30 since release (but only week #3 for the US998 V30+).
LG never promised a timeline for bootloader unlock and neither can forum enthusiasts. But it has always happened since LG started this LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
Complicating matters, now the whole LG mobile division has been reorganized and the G7 cancelled.
LG might decide not to do it this time for the open market LG US998. I bought three of these phones, so my money is where my mouth is. Yeah, I'd be disappointed.
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Coming up with a new upgraded/superior model before unlocking BL is such a slap. I woldnt buy v30 when the successor and s845 devices are on the shelves as it looks will be. I know, then get ready for another torturing round of waiting and waiting .

jcsww said:
Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.
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I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014) -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. I think that was a mistake as most people didn't want 6" display phones on 2014. It was even bigger than Samsung Note. Google should have released BOTH or just the smaller one.
Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)

ChazzMatt said:
I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014 -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)
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I liked the V20 but never ended up buying one. It was ugly with that LG branding on the front of it. I still think the second screen is more practical than that stupid moveable thing. Where I expected the evolution to really come, would have been if LG had kept a second screen, but when the screen is on, the user would have a choice to extend the main screen up on to the second. Sadly, they didn't go that route.
I had two Galaxy Nexus devices and a Nexus 5. I stayed away from the Nexus 4 due to the many software issues it had and was weary about buying the Nexus 5 but did anyway. I don't regret it either. It was a great phone, just ugly. I still use my Moto Nexus 6 to this day. Google made Motorola great again, then sold it. I think they will do some awesome things with HTC that will also hurt LG, especially after the complaints with the Pixel 2 XL screens.

Nice right up Chazz. I agree the the fragmentation of the lg product line.
The only gripe I have is when the Samsung note was called too big. Now I agree it has been too big at one point in the past and now once again it is. But Samsung nailed it for a few years. Note 1 and 2 were definitely too wide. By the time they got to the note 3 they got the dimensions right. Those dimensions stayed mostly unchangd for 4, 5 and 7.
One of the big reasons I ended up with the V30 is how close dimensionaly it is to the note 3 I was upgrading from.
I do agree the note 8 is too big/tall and Samsung phones in general are too tall now. I guess since they already tried too wide they had to make it bigger in a different direction.
I still find it funny how the note 8 was constantly being called a phablet and now most phones are either the same size or smaller then the older notes.
Personally I never followed LG much. Always had friends which LG phones that broke, never knew anyone that was happy with them as far as build quality was concerned. This started back before they even started making smart phones.
I bought the first Samsung galaxy and doing research at the time on which phone to buy and after using it I knew Samsung was going to do well. Back then they really were making the best phones. They had to start to ruin them with touchwiz though.
I had hoped that I would find a new phone that would be as close to how perfect I felt the note 3 was. Disappointedly nothing is. But the V30 is definitely the closest I can currently get.
Thankfully LG didn't remove most of the hardware features that some of us have come a custom to.
Since coming from the note I'm only missing the pen, notification led and removable battery (which is clearly a thing of the past) and some durability, that thing could take a beating. But this seems to be true for all new phones.
And the worse of all, root. But I've read all you have to say about that. Unfortunately it not always that easy in some regions.
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I change my device all the time, because I get itchy for something different. In the past two years, my history looks like this:
Note5, S7 Edge, HTC 10, LG V20, S8+, Note8, LG V30
Although I enjoyed the unlocked bootloader from the Note5, HTC 10, and V20, the Note8 and V30 are both very usable without root. Some people will never buy a phone that cannot be rooted, and that's their choice and perfectly fine with me. I used to be the same way, but recently have tried to survive without it, and done quite well. Android is much more mature a platform now, and no longer needs root to make it perform decently.
If the rumors of the S9/S9+ having stereo speakers is true, then I'm headed back to Samsung land. Even when I needed root to make a device usable (Note5), I couldn't get past the horrid speaker setup that Samsung puts on even their $1000 phones.

ChazzMatt said:
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections.
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Er, the camera was a big improvement on the G4. I never would have dreamt LG'd provide a camera with as extensive manual controls compared to the iphone like camera they put on the G3. They saw what sammy did on the K zoom and actually topped it. Sammy forgot they ever made the k with the design of the s6's camera
The G4 had a subtly curved screen. The G3 was flat screen. Great in the hand with leather backs. Case ? what bloody case, the phone never felt like you'd drop it.
OEM battery charger, finally they got a clue that an independent charger is essential OUTSIDE Korea if replaceable batteries are ever to make sense. The g3 didn't have that.
This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
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What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess.
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The V10 was too big for me and this is why i ended up with the G4. Which was so unique.we'll never see another. The ergonomics were very good. leather backs. Who has that.
The next problem was the limited availability. Very few markets saw the V10
The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
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People who wanted the bigger phone went with it. The Note stood out. The note 5 was demoted and the s6e+ (who comes up with these names) was pushed instead. Never happened before. The note 4 was the last great Note. The closest you get to it is the V20 today.
Then to add insult to injury the Note 7 got banned by world govt (!) why isn't the note dead already
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
Same with S & Note owners. There are subtle differences between both series and the twain shall never meet
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
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The downside was the bootloop problem with the G4 & V10. Everybody that wanted a good camera got either of the two. Period
The slam the G5 got was people thought they should have improved on the G4 further. The G5 was too radical. Anyone that wants a really good camera, should check out the G5. Sensors got smaller from there on and continued getting smaller to the point the one on the V30 is now smaller than on an iphone. They wanted to get rid of the bump (!) Great, they did that.
With the G4 on to the G5, you KNEW you were packing. Don't get that feel with the V20, its still good but those were better
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
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Not ugly and you get used to the size. Second display comes in handy for quick picks.
People with a Z play make the point that it comes with dual sim AND micro sd. Such a rarity these days. Guess what i got that with the G4 AND V20. For some reason this hybrid nonsense makes it into the G's5 & 6 and V30 et al.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
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last time they reginalised specs was G3 with the asinine 2/3Gb memory. The G6 region builds was a mistake.
The Asian G6 was full specs, maybe this is why they did a V30+ plus here. Funny that. The G6 was to good that they had to up the game with a v30 plus
What annoys me with these Korean phones is the excessive number of SKU's which just make it a pain. Why not make just one for the ENTIRE world.
Innovative design of G6/V30 makes LG not stand out from the crowd, It's a samey looking phone isn't it with hybrid sim & a sealed battery. yeah real great
So many reviewers say the same thing and its this conformity that gets me down. The G4 and on up to the V20 refused to conform.
The G6 & V30 are pretty, yeah. Funny how these are considered quality but everything before isn't ?
All throughout is LG's discriminating practice of allowing bootloader unlock only in certain markets. They Euros get it because God said so. Why does only T-mo get it though and not the other US operators?
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
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And you stand countered SIR!

Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!

jcsww said:
Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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HaHaHaHaHa LMMFAO!!! Well said Sir!!

One Twelve said:
as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
The Asian G6 was full specs,
And you stand countered SIR!
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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post.
OK, we do agree on the Note 7. I could write paragraphs about that. Not all Note 7 had problems, but Samsung proved (by bricking all the Note 7 to force people to turn in their phones) if you don't root your phone the OEM/carrier still owns your phone. You didn't buy it, you are really renting it.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. I would have bought an open market G6 with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, more internal storage. They were ALL regionalized. An "all spec" G6 would have been a winner (Qi wireless, quad DAC, more than 32GB storage) -- but LG didn't want to make it "too good". Because it would have been better than the recent V20, especially with the almost zero bezel design. So, they felt they had to bring it down a notch, by regionalizing the specs.
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owners. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place. See the G6 example and even the silly G5. LG would never put those bottom removable mods on their precious V series! And they shouldn't have done it to the G.
If LG had never done the V series -- if they had just concentrated on making ONE phone the best -- the G series would have become better and better instead of the circus sideshow the G5 was.
G4 was an iterative update to the G3. I stand by that. You need to look up the meaning of the word iterative. Just like the 2018 Samsung S9 is expected to be an iterative update to the 2017 Galaxy S8. There will be some slight improvements. The G4 was slight improvement over the G3.
I owned a G4 for a short period of time and specifically did not want a leather back. I always put a case on my phones, to protect the back and the screen (from flat drops onto the floor).
V10
. What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
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Why didn't they add those video controls and better audio to the G4 to make it a FANTASTIC phone? Or to the next year's G5? They were "saving" their better stuff for the V10 and V20. That's been LG's problem. Rather than make 2 GREAT phones per year, they seem concerned about making 1.5 great phones per year.
With the 2017 G6, LG got back on good design track -- but messed up by regionalizing the spec. A "full spec" G6 in early 2017 (even with Snapdragon 821) would have competed with S8/s8+ -- and then the V30 was an evolved version of the G6. However, LG didn't do a full spec G6 until JULY 2017, and called it the G6+. It's was a different phone, a separate release MONTHS later from the G6. But served no real purpose, as it still had Snapdragon 821, when everybody and their brother had already released Snapdragon 835 phones. But the mid-year G6+ is what the early 2017 G6 should have been.
They also messed up because LG doesn't know how to RELEASE a phone. You can't just ANNOUNCE it, you have to also ship it. Their regionalized, Snapdragon 821 G6 phone SHIPPED at the same time the Galaxy S8/S8+ was shipping. If they could have actually BEATEN Samsung to market with a full spec G6, it would have worked.
I'm happy with the V30, but I feel like LG wasted two years and a ton of money trying to create two separate phone series, when they needed to just concentrate on making ONE excellent phone.

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Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.

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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post. You corrected or countered nothing.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. They were all regionalized.
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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
Show me the same incidence of bootlooped G5 & V20's. Who here can do that. I've hung in those communities for well over a year. Not seeing the numbers in comparison to the G4 & V10.
The Asian G6 doesn't have wireless charging. Big deal. It came with 64GB and an audio dac which were missing on euro & American variants for no good reason. This is why you say they didn't want to make the G good enough. Well, it applies to this year only which would make it an exception. I would not be using this reasoning for the previous two years. THAT is what i'm challenging
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owers. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place.
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Why does your argument not apply to the Note series ? the Note always had the best specs until the 5 because its a non-sensical argument
You may not have said there was any tension but the point stands, nobody felt short changed when the V series came out if they had a G prior. I actually picked up a G after the V10 came out. The weird reduction in specs for the G6 is an exception compared to the previous two years. We've discussed that already and agree the blame lies entirely with LG's decisions this year
Could the same be said about the one plus 5 and the T? No, because the T is a better spec'd 5 as is the case with the 3
People are going to point to sales numbers to make their point. I'm talking about what they've done.
I picked up a V20 before the V30 came out and was surprised at how aggressive their pricing was in India. It's moving but not at the same extent as the 5T but then the 5T isn't as good as the V30+

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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.
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I agree the SD845 is worth waiting for. Whatever the G7 is going to be called is supposed to get the 6GB of RAM treatment too. Both of those things are worth the wait. I haven't seen anything about whether or not they are going to keep the dual front cameras that the G7 was supposed to have. I am not a selfie person so I don't really care either way, but t would be nice to have a slightly better front camera than came with the V30/V30+.

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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.

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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
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10nm process meant non availability. LG has this bee in their bonnet where they have to be first out the gate or perceived that way. quad hd screen on the G3 ? was that necessary. So to beat sammy meant the G6 had to come out before the S8. I don't have an issue with the 820, it was the differing regional builds that queered it up
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
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I don't have a problem with the idea of mods. You can knock the implementation and in the end you didn't need any mods to run the G5 which was a pretty fine phone in itself. Provided you ignored what the reviewers were saying about intangibles like design. Why refuse the phone if you don't want the mds. I prefer to have options and not need them than the other way around
JBL sound boost, will beat any phone speaker ever made. The battery mod will boost battery life on the motos. No replaceable battery any more well, this is how you do it from the OEM who tried to standardise connections so 3rd parties could join. There is future proof-ness with mods. Offering alternatives. This is the Android way. You don't want to be in a world where all phones are the same. one company only makes screens. That same one company also makes CPU's
iphones have a ton of 3rd party add ons. will you refuse an iphone because these alternatives exist. of course not so why slam an OEM when they offer them, In fact they above all will do a much better job than any 3rd party could. Every time.
If you question whether mods are worth the money then that is a different question. Mods from one phone will not work with another and hence are a waste of money. But look at people overspending on X & pixels & surfaces. It's about indulgence. There is no reasoning with them,
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
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Giving credit where its due
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
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I'm fine with one phone a year or even one phone every two years. Gives them time to design and come out with something good. it also means updates will be more timely and reliable. Trying to put out phones every six months is a crazy schedule it leads to small improvements where you need to skip at least two models to feel you actually got an upgrade. And at times a downgraded because some things get removed. Aren't others ding the same. Who then buys the phones they put out.
But there is this fear if they aren't in the public eye then its a slow death. LG scaled back on their ads after the G3. When the G3 came out i got hammered by ads every day for a full month whenever i watched a phone related yutube video. It got to the point i was so fed up. Then it suddenly stopped. I've never seen an LG ad on youtube since. I've got to go look for them. G4 ? nobody heard of it. The shops didn't stock demo models because LG didn't pay the rent. I had to go searching in the city until i fund a store that did.
The commissions on samsung, apple, lower end phones are better so i find more shops stocking them.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
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Ah, the moto max/turbo. For some reason that phone didn't get the traction it deserved. I remember watching reviews and you got this feeling that it was very fast and smooth.
The only weak point with moto's is the camera. They always seem to be more than a year behind. LG otoh was in the forefront, not quite these days though but good enough. MXP was also an 808, no bootloop problem there. it really beggars belief how LG, a company in the business for over ten years could have made boot loop prone phones
MXP also had the same ergonomic tapering design with good grip that just disappeared in 2016 where it became boring 'premium' glass & metal. Slippery as hell, fingerprints galore, prone to damage. not fit for life. Phones are meant to be used not just looked at.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
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Except the camera on the axon isn't going to hold a candle to the G5. Only Chinese phone that gets there are the huawei's P10's & mate which came out the year after. heh.
Availability. If you put lineage on the axon 7 you have a cheap phone with updates and no spyware/bloatware.
The only thing LG had to do was front facing speakers. They have shied away from it. The G5 could have incorporated a dac without requiring a mod. In the US it was the FCC that required each and every mod to be cleared. Adding mods changes the radio pattern it seems. Their mods weren't available in the US. Moto somehow satisifed this requirement. This was a slip up on LG's part.
You see how subtle the difference is here. No point having mods if they aren't available.
Pixel has a better camera if you're the one who wants to just point and click. Not having access to manual options limits creativity. Those manual options i use less than 5% of the time but i would not give them u because they offer just the edge others do not have. Sammy & huawei excepted.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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I will agree with the underlined bit only when it comes to this year and the G6 & V30. Which means you are commenting on a very specific point in time. That is what i want to highlight to readers. I'm taking a longer view. Tactics changed this year, not necessarily for the better
If LG are facing trouble its because the market is very competitive. Some missteps along the way. Too little advertising and when they do announce something taking several months to put it out. high prices for phones across the board. No wonder people run to the plus 5.
V30 in blue is very attractive.
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Android for me does not mean stock. It means having hardware options. Micro sd, camera, headphone jack, replaceable battery, mods even
The custom skins the Koreans use does not trouble me. it does imply a longer lead time with updates but i'd rather get an OS upgrade six months after google puts it out and know that developers for all the apps i use had sufficient time to make their apps compatible. Everything works.

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Disappointed by the LG Nexus 5X specs and price ... is the LG G4 still worth buying?

As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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This decision is really up to what features you find value in. I love my G4 and you would have to decide if you want a phone that has removable battery and expandable storage to say have fingerprint scanner and the latest OS. These phones are different in a lot of ways.
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I picked up the G4 the day it came out,so I've had a good few months with it. Definitely no regrets. Coming from Samsung, it's a much less intrusive version of Android..... Than say... Touchwizz. It could benefit from extra features for battery saving mode like on the Sony or SAMSUNG, but it easily lasts me a day.
One of the best cameras, used it on my recent trip Italy, if you are into photography... You can have a lot of fun.
With every phone you will find +/-, but sure you can probably get a good deal on aG4, making it a real phone to consider.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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I can answer one of those questions: the overlay is acceptable, because 99.5% of the time I don't see it because I use the camera/browser/gallery/app of choice, instead of playing with the settings. That might be different in your case, but since you asked I thought I'd answer.

Hell! I'd recommend the G4 over their 6P! For that European price, I'd 100% recommend the G4 over it!!! No doubt about it! You can get the G4 for 420 euros! The 6P will be 650 and I still think the G4 will compare just as well Or even better in the camera department and battery life. Nexus' aren't known for battery life. Neither is the LG, but hey! ...

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs.
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what about the P variant ?
was a bit disappointed with the 5X specs too. with only 2gb, what reason is there to upgrade from the nexus 5 ?
Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Not for you, for a lot of non-purists, yes.
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
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exactly. will not mix with 'Hello Kitty'
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
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there is the sense mod if you are rooted. but this available for any android.
How fast the software updates get released?
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no where as fast as you would get on nexus. they come in time though.

I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
I find LG interface to be much more bearable than Samsung which to me personally is unusable. This is helped by the fact of on-screen buttons. But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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eksasol said:
I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
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Then you are not a typical nexus user. You are interested in nexus only because updates are regular and this keeps the value of your device up.
You really prefer to have the extra 'features' every non nexus device offers.
So is this the same as the OP or not.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
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some would say they have exceeded apple in terms of build and quality with their offerings this year.
But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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if you don't need the camera...

Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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86 in photo and 79 in video for both but one has 84 points and G4 83 points, anyways DxoMark just sucks, a french reviewer... never in low light

I'm disappointed in the 5x because of the faux look of dual front speakers when in reality one is just an earpiece speaker, nothing more and lack of qi charging, and same outdated storage options. Really don't care about the lack of RAM, not like I can tell a difference going from the G4 to nexus 5, though all of it is hard to justify at $380 when you pay $20 more and get 3gb of ram, a 5.7 inch 2k screen, and an SD slot by choosing a moto x pure edition. 5x specs would be fine with nexus 4 pricing tiers
To answer your question if you're a purist like me, LG UX will drive you bonkers. So much stuff they changed just to be different that doesn't really have a purpose. I like it overall OK but have already decided I'm going back to a nexus or a moto next year. Also the memory leak is in full effect on it as LG has written 5.1.1 off as "too minor to even bother with" which means it won't get fixed until you get marshmallow which probably won't be until 2016
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Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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That was quick but the most interesting scores are the N6P is top for texture in stills beating the S6 & G4 and beating both again for Noise by 4 points.
I think the comparisons of N6P against S6/G4 are going to be interesting, hard as it might be to believe, expect the N6P shots to look slightly better in details than the S6/G4. How to counter that ? reduce to 12MP on both, now noise & details will look sharper and the difference will be hard to tell. Still, this is an achievement for the N6P. The 6S+ did not get there. The Z5 did.
In terms of video stabilisation its a good ten points behind the G4 so jerky video.
12MP and 1/2.3" rear camera.
The big catch is that there is no OIS in either N5X or N6P, pretty shocking considering N5 & N6 had it. Go to the trouble to make a good camera and then leave out OIS. Seriously WTH!!!! So like the Z5 except the Z5 will have more features ootb. You better have good handholds a la xperia or M9 to get clear low light shots with these nexii.
What will the camera interface be like, google camera has always been very limited. 3rd party cams will be essential. And then we will find out just how slow the shutter gets to.
They left out wireless charging on both ! ok, i get it that morotola is crap at wireless charging but LG already nailed it with the 5, two years ago.
Course for those who want sd & removable battery, software is not going to be able to fix

I've just returned my LG G4 to get the Nexus 5x.
I loved the G4's camera but the bloatware, bluetooth issues, buggy smart unlock, constant notifications of "NFC may drain battery" when using my car dock, the big when you put it on charge, the bing when it finishes charging, the bing when you turn it on, the bing when you turn it off.... it stopped being an enjoyable device to use and it was all because of what LG had done to Android.
So I'm going back to stock android. Originally I was going to wait for a G4 AOSP or Cyanogen rom but with the announcement of the fantastic Nexus 5x camera I decided to make the move while I still could..
The feature list is cut down compared to the G4 but it is stuff I am not so concerned with. I've not used expandable storage since moving to use Google music, Photo, Docs, Keep and Drive. I've never used wireless charging, and I don't game on my phones so I am not worried about the 1gb less of ram, especially when my Nexus 4 uses nearly 1GB of ram less than the LG G4 when idling.

I got the G4 after trying almost all other phones out there. I had Z3, HTC One M9, S6, Nexus 6, Iphone 6, and now G4 and the G4 blows them all away.
It is quicker than the others, has no memory or multitasking issues contrary to some minor views in this thread, the bluetooth, 4g and wifi work perfectly, smart lock works fine too, the camera beats all of the other phones I owned, and the battery life is equal to if not better than all at 5 Hours SOT at 60% screen brightness.
The new google launcher is AWFUL so wanting that is just nonesense, and the LG launcher has replaced Nova for me, because it's just as customisable.
Nexus fans won't want it though because they want Stock = Boring, and prefer the boring look to a decent camera and features. Anyone expecting the new Nexus devices to actually have decent real world camera is praying to the wrong gods.

I have no memory leak issues with my Verizon model, and love 95% of this phone.
Coming from a Nexus/Moto X background, I find LG's ui decent and mostly easy to use. There are 2 or 3 little annoyances in how settings are accessed, but Nova Launcher fixes most design issues - an icon pack and new screen layout, plus gestures to shortcut to the settings I use most.
I world consider rooting to clean up the other small issues, but I'm a regular Android Pay user do I'm holding off until that all shakes out.
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G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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Im a huge nexus fan ive owned all of them from the first HTC to the last motorola. I bought the g4 blindly to test the non nexus waters and this phone has blown me away especially after the updates and the camera is super amazing and no nexus can or will beat it. Dont get me wrong ill probably grab the new nexus 5 based on stock so i can have fun rooting and putting custom roms on it, but besides having cutting edge software it will be my secondary phone and ill stick with my g4 for everyday use. To be honest im a crack flasher and it feels good to not have that urge with my g4, i got root and thats all i needed to get rid of some things and add xposed to tweak it a bit. Very happy with my g4 and will likely get the g5 when it drops.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Hello, I bought the G4 for about a month and it has no problem till now. Everything is OK. The body design is a little bend and quite comfortable playing with the phone. But the price is a little bit expensive for me. I was impulsive to buy it. Fortunately it performs well overall.

ambervals6 said:
G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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no, because G4 and 5X share same hardware.

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Yes. In terms of hardware, it's about even up. And the G4 also offers a miniSD slot, exchangeable battery, and nice back covers. Only possible drawback might be the battery live, probably mostly thanks to the G4's insane resolution.
Is the LG overlay acceptable?
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I don't like the LG icons, but that can be easily changed by using a different launcher like Nova. Also, the colors for toast messages and quick settings are a bit bright (cyan). And the mobile data protocol (LTE, G3, ...) is displayed as own icon instead of small text in the reception bar icon. Most of the rest can easily be ignored or even be disabled in the settings.
But a lot of this (and more) can be modified even without unlocking the bootloader. You can flash rooted ROMs via the cable firmware update screen, and then use FlashFire to flash other ZIP updates like Xposed or themed variants (warning: very slow...).
With the European H815 version, you can also unlock the bootloader, but you'll lose warranty, and it can't be unlocked. But it'll allow you to flash "more AOSP" ROMs. (Official CM12 is work in progress, but there's an inofficial port available.)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Android M at least has been announced for the G4. I guess it's hard to tell even by LG's developers, as it depends on the changes made by Google.
But then, the changes made since Android 4.1 aren't that impressive anyway IMHO, and several recent updates had some teething troubles, so maybe it's not so bad to wait a bit longer...

Is it still worth getting

Hello mates,
for the past weeks I probably watched every G4 video and read every review. Since it's really hard for me to get the V10 with supported LTE bands (Germany) and I'm kinda getting impatient, I'm thinking about getting the G4.
So my general question is:
Is it still worth it or should I get another device/wait for V10/G5/or whatever?
Thanks in advance
Kay

Get it. The V10 is too big and i'm not sure whether that design will endure. V10 v2 might be better.
G5, nobody knows what it will be like. G3 owners were so so about G4. I bet G4 owners will be the same with the G5. V10 has not tempted too many G4 owners to switch.
Since you are in germany you get the option of unlocked bootloader which people in other markets are still waiting for.
What else are you comparing with ? seems like LG only
What is your current device.

One Twelve said:
Get it. The V10 is too big and i'm not sure whether that design will endure. V10 v2 might be better.
G5, nobody knows what it will be like. G3 owners were so so about G4. I bet G4 owners will be the same with the G5. V10 has not tempted too many G4 owners to switch.
Since you are in germany you get the option of unlocked bootloader which people in other markets are still waiting for.
What else are you comparing with ? seems like LG only
What is your current device.
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Hey thanks for your reply. I'm currently using an HTC One M7 and it's still running perfectly fine, but I feel like moving on. Preferably something with a fingerprint scanner.. I know the G4 doesn't have one but it offers this great camera I fell in love with. I'm really obsessed with LG now, since HTC only produced crap for the past months. And I can't wait for MWC 2016 :crying:
There is another device that caught my eye, the Gigaset ME pro. They just released the ME without pro, which means the pro will probably released next year .. Oh and then of course the Honor 7.

Kay2daCee said:
Hey thanks for your reply. I'm currently using an HTC One M7 and it's still running perfectly fine, but I feel like moving on. Preferably something with a fingerprint scanner.. I know the G4 doesn't have one but it offers this great camera I fell in love with.
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The only remaining contender that may challenge the G4's camera is the lumia 950. If you don't care too much about video then v10 isn't important.
I'm really obsessed with LG now, since HTC only produced crap for the past months. And I can't wait for MWC 2016 :crying:
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This is the thing, the m10 is most likely going to have a SD 820. If it improves from the A9 camera which is good, then HTC will have come of age in the camera department.
if you like to play intensive games then the 808 is going to lag a little. if you don't care about heavy games, 808 is pretty good.
There is another device that caught my eye, the Gigaset ME pro. They just released the ME without pro, which means the pro will probably released next year .. Oh and then of course the Honor 7.
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For fingerprint scanners, make sure they are using generation 2. The first gen isn't as good.
Not heard of these devices, price wise the G4 is competitive, is branded. You never know with these chinese ones.
The Huawei mate S has OIS, the honor & gigaset's do not.

Get it.

Is it the right time to buy a new G4 or should I wait for something new?

2016 is almost here and soon is the CES and I want a new phone.
Now I have SGS3.
Should I wait to see what will be in CES or just getting a new G4?
thanks guys.

I would wait for Snapdragon 820

I would wait too. The G4 is the best phone i've owned to be fair barring the S2 when it first came out, which blew me away, but next year LG should raise the bar even higher and Samsung might catch up with something that's not laggy and ugly too.

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I would wait too. The G4 is the best phone i've owned to be fair barring the S2 when it first came out, which blew me away, but next year LG should raise the bar even higher and Samsung might catch up with something that's not laggy and ugly too.
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what bar did LG raise with G4? it has a great camera, but so do iphone6 and S6..
the only other things I can think off are removable battery, sd card slot and frequent updates (which is to be expected of a flagship)..
in every other aspect, G4 lags behind competition - software, build quality - materials used, battery life, sound quality, processing power

Furma said:
what bar did LG raise with G4? it has a great camera, but so do iphone6 and S6..
the only other things I can think off are removable battery, sd card slot and frequent updates (which is to be expected of a flagship)..
in every other aspect, G4 lags behind competition - software, build quality - materials used, battery life, sound quality, processing power
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I can agree that LG doesn't manufacture the best phones out there. But it's still a solid phone with some pro's and a few more con's. I've been a Samsung user all my life and decided to buy an LG after I owned a Note 4. Both phones are pretty good, but I love my LG for its SD-Card-Slot and the camera. I need a lot of space, because I have like 200 GB of music and a lot of videos. LG supports MicroSD's up to 2 TB. That's definately a big fat pro!
I don't regret leaving Samsung, but if the S7 would feature an SD-Slot I will go back to Samsung. And to answer OP's question: I'd wait, too. Wait for the LG V10, which will be released this month (think it's a nice phone and better than the G4). Don't know how long you can bear to wait, but if you like Samsung wait for the S7. Still the best smartphones regarding the design (imho). Despite all of that LG is very good, too. It's a matter of taste I guess Cheers

it's the best time because you have to think about the price also

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I can agree that LG doesn't manufacture the best phones out there. But it's still a solid phone with some pro's and a few more con's. I've been a Samsung user all my life and decided to buy an LG after I owned a Note 4. Both phones are pretty good, but I love my LG for its SD-Card-Slot and the camera. I need a lot of space, because I have like 200 GB of music and a lot of videos. LG supports MicroSD's up to 2 TB. That's definately a big fat pro!
I don't regret leaving Samsung, but if the S7 would feature an SD-Slot I will go back to Samsung. And to answer OP's question: I'd wait, too. Wait for the LG V10, which will be released this month (think it's a nice phone and better than the G4). Don't know how long you can bear to wait, but if you like Samsung wait for the S7. Still the best smartphones regarding the design (imho). Despite all of that LG is very good, too. It's a matter of taste I guess Cheers
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Thanks for yours answers .
 @Follow_and_Feel I don't think there is a must different between G4 and V10. at least not something worth the extra 30%.
I think to wait for the S7 or G5 but have no clue how much is it to wait... :-|

Natinux said:
Thanks for yours answers .
@Follow_and_Feel I don't think there is a must different between G4 and V10. at least not something worth the extra 30%.
I think to wait for the S7 or G5 but have no clue how much is it to wait... :-|
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I think the S7 will be shipped in the first quarter of 2016 (Maybe february / March). I don't know about the G5.
The V10 has a slightly bigger screen and I personally love huge phones, but waiting is ok I think. The G5 will propably be on sale in summer and that's a long time to wait :laugh:
I don't know about your financial situation but I'd be like: Buy the G4, sell it when the G5 comes out, buy the G5
But that's only me
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well, am in the same boat as well. but for me since I'll be leaving my home country for a job outside, I need to buy something now so I can check it within 2-3 weeks that I've. V10 seems nice but nothing extraordinary compared to G4 and the price is high as well. So, am stuck as well on what to do

Nexus 5x replacement

Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!

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I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!
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OnePlus 3T is too much of a f'ing brick. Way too large for a phone.
I would probably go for the OnePlus X but it's not sold anywhere.
I would go for the Xperia X Compact (23MP camera! and nice size!) but no official Lineago OS support, so sadly a no.
I should clarify that I also require LTE bands 4, 12 (T-Mobile) and maybe even 17 (at&t) ...

You know after looking around the choices if you want good support by aftermarket ROMs and Lineage is either something like the OnePlus or the Honor 5X. (The 6X and the 8 still have some issues in development of custom roms, but the 8 is further along than the 6X). Or spend big bucks and get one of the mainstream Samsung S# devices...
I just bought one of the Honor 5Xs for my wife actually and just went through unlocking the bootloader, and installing Lineage. I must say Im impressed with, for $150 phone its not that far from or Nexus 5X. When I get back home (traveling for work right now) I want to load some games to it and see how it does. For basic tasks it seems great. Battery life has been great for her so far, and build quality is good. Most of important, official Lineage support. So while the specs being a little behind the our 5X had me a little worried, once I had in my hands I was pleasantly surprised. For the price, no complaints.

I feel ya, same here as far as the T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. How about swappa.com on finding a OnePlus X

andTab said:
Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
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Yeah, and no Samsung or Iphone, no Huawei, Xi or ZTE either i'd imagine as they have all had problems worse or similar.
There will be problems with phones as long as new tech is pushed out faster than the tech is ready. I'd go with a Pixel phone which is in essence a HTC device which you apparently don't like.
So, Nokia 3310? It won't fail you.

Honor 8?

Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.

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Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.

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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.
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Nope. I know all about the boot loops. No issues whatsoever with my 5x. Best value in a phone ever for me @ $249. And from what I've read those that bought from Google store, as I did, aren't getting ditched to LG for support. Also seen plenty of happy Pixel users too. If I still wanted to root/ROM there would be more options fore sure but I don't and I no longer can stand any other phones with their F-ed up UI, bloat and never having updates. As a Fi user I also couldn't be happier never ever having to deal with a major carrier again. Yeah, sure, I'm pissed at Google for abandoning the idea of disruptively affordable devices in the US but I'd still rather deal with them than a carrier, OEM or other reseller. Not fooled even once.
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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.

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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Not sure on why you are so hell bent on thinking I'm delusional. I'm speaking only of my actual experience not others. Dollar for dollar the 5X is the best I've had. I'm very aware of the boot loop issue and acknowledge it's real. I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing defect in all 5X phones ever made though. If you have some proof of that I really would be interested in it. Really, I would. Not because I dispute what you say but because I just havn't seen any proof that it's every phone.
Truth is even if I do get the loop I only spent $250 for the thing. I've easily got my money's worth out of it when compared to >$800 other options. Phones are tools not jewels. The cheaper the better. If there's another phone you know of that's not bloated, doesn't have a modded UI, get's security updates every month and get's new Android versions promptly then I'm all ears. Seriously.

If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
That is what I bought my wife and its pretty reliable for her (and easy to fix, as usual she hulk smashed the screen after about 3 months and I fixed it no problem)
BUT I am also very interested to see what HMD/Nokia do with their new phones. I have always been a Nokia fan. So it would be nice to get quality hardware with a widely supported OS (my brain thinks back to my old 8800 with Symbian S40)

andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Who gave the info that 100% of 5X is defected?
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Pixel is the ONLY replacement for me. But:
1) Is expensive (for a 24 months update device) and we don't know whether is gonna bootloop or not.
2) Still has the same random ****ty compass decalibration that I had with my previous Nexus and only haven't had with my current work's iPhone 5S (that works amazing in any historic centre in places with tiny labyrinth streets like Barcelona). This is the worst part of the Nexus and Pixels. And still using Google Maps. I think Compass issues are one of the Top 3 complains in the Google product forums. And they still haven't fixed it in the hardware or firmware of their products..
3) still lacking the old N5 OIS. But this is compensated with the great HDR+ that only the Nexus / Pixel have. IMO.
4) And the Pixel is still big compared to the iPhones or the old Moto X or Galaxy Nexus.
Vs iPhones this is compensated with the non-physical/virtual buttons that make the phones easier to be used with one hand all the time.
(In fact I find and iPhone 7 with that terrible home button...and some back buttons..and that landscape multitasking....as difficult as a phablet, but still is a perfect size and nice shape to use with one hand)
Now Vs the old Gnexus or Moto X...is still more difficult. I'm one handing a 6P half of my time though... But I still miss the X or Gnexus shape/size.
On the contrary I used a Z5 Compact, smaller phone, and is not more comfortable than a Nexus 5...because of the terrible rectangular shape and is slippery material. So the size of the phone is not what only matters. Material and ergonomic shape is important as well.
Extra: there is still no stock, only released in 5 countries, and I'm not that hyped after so many months since release date. Specially now that I'm got a 6P with a new battery (original Huawei was terrible messed). But still is a huge phone compared to the Pixel.
And my priority:
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
BTW: I've just bought another 5X from Amazon (used) for my GF, at less than 220€. If the Manufactured date is OCT2015 I'll instant return it. Otherwise, I'll intensively try it for 30 days, if it doesn't boot loop I'll take my chances.
For the same price I was considering a Moto G5 with 3GB of RAM (this is the best part of this device) but 16GB Internal and I don't really like the camera, at least in low light, plus the SoC is old and both phones will update to Android O.
Sent from my Nexus 6P

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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
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Most of sites giving Pixel critical reviews are just whining that Google is now charging the prices like Apple, Samsung, or LG. Otherwise, its hardware remains top notch, and the software will be always ahead of competition in terms of security updates and major releases. Some people can make the case that the Samsung Galaxy S8 is now the best Android smartphone. But I suspect that people who are used to stock and lean Android ROMs and speedy software updates would disagree with that.
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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
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I think someone from Google or LG said that only 15% or so of those devices were affected with the bootloop problem.
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.

el_mariachi_4 said:
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Moto X Pure is a good value, but I think the new Moto G5 Plus (4G RAM version) has surpassed it. The problem with Moto X Pure is that Nougat is the last Android update it will ever receive (while Moto G5 Plus was launched with Nougat) and there is no fingerprint sensor. Otherwise, the big and accurate screen as well as stereo speakers still make MXP a compelling phone for a whole lot of people.

Akopps said:
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.
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Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

andTab said:
Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12
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Seems that there is no such thing...

shut_down said:
Seems that there is no such thing...
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Lenovo Zuk Z2? It's on sale all the time as well and can be had for as low as 170 USD.
http://gsmarena.com/lenovo_zuk_z2-8125.php
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Concerns from a buyer...in 2017!

Hi. I've complained and emailed Motorola at least two times after the disaster of my old Moto G4 (water damage) and have voiced out how can they improve things. Now, with planning on buying a G5 Plus I have three main concerns:
1. Having no compass or magnetometer means location services apps like Google Maps (which I use on a daily basis for walking navigation due to the nature of my work and during holiday looking for a nearby restaurant or a place of interest) may function and perform slower than a device with compass. True?
2. Advanced nano coating - I'm worried that when i use my phone in light rain or an accidental drop in the sink might damage the internals when water enter small holes such as mic, speakers, USB port and grooves in-between buttons. So, is it safe or not?
3. Updates - We all know when Lenovo took over Moto updates have been very slow with the current G5 lineup still stuck with 7.0. I'm not into rooting so I depend highly on updates straight from the OEM. But with a near-stock and seemingly optimised software is this a cause for concern? Or better to stick it out with Samsung or Sony which does faster updates?
Some minor concerns are:
1. G5 Plus speakers sound a bit tinnier than last year's model?
2. Camera seem bland and has no image stabilisation apart from a pseudo-EIS at 1080p 30fps but still better than last year?
3. Storage is UFS type or eMMC 5.1?

You sound like you are expecting a flagship level performance from a midranger.
You should be looking for a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus.
Yes, gps should be a bit finicky for walking navigation for initial navigation, once you start walking it should be fine.
No, it's not gonna be safe for dropping in the sink.
Not even Galaxy S8 or LG G6 got any updates beyond 7.0. For a budget phone don't expect security update every month. I would expect a security update like every 3/4 months. And It's probably gonna jump to Android 8.0 directly at the beginning of next year. Assumption is based on the update of my Moto Z play.
You are right about the camera, but unless you purchase a next year's flagship, there is no better camera than this for less than 300$ price tag.

1) Software problems (i.e. slow updates and the like) are all eventually solved with custom roms
2) if you want hardware that the phone doesnt have, you need to pay more for a phone. this is a great mid level phone

Karlinski said:
1) Software problems (i.e. slow updates and the like) are all eventually solved with custom roms
2) if you want hardware that the phone doesnt have, you need to pay more for a phone. this is a great mid level phone
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It's a great mid-level phone that's $200 less than another great mid-level phone, OnePlus 3T !!
And the fingerpad control is life changing (I keep trying to swipe on my Tab S2 tablet's button now!)

I do not think things such as a compass is ONLY found on a high-end device. And things i considered "basic" for a mid-range such as USB Type-C (which has been around for a year now in mainstream devices), blue light filter (again present in Asus tablets since 3 years ago & iPhones as well). And a compass.
And a security update 4 months ago isn't good enough; Google has started to be "strict" in encouraging OEMs to at least patch security vulnerabilities (and maybe some minor bug fixes) every month which again to some is a deal breaker and a very important matter especially nowadays.
I'm not into custom ROMs so I would rather wait for OTA pushed directly by the phone manufacturer.
Saying that I need something more than a 5-inch screen real estate. And one under £250 / $250.

Compass - In the Phone
USB C - Not included for Cost (i'm sure)
blue light filter - Added in SW
Quick Security updates - Added by Custom Roms
If you wait for Moto, you may be waiting a while. There are really a few options..
Buy a nexus
- get the newest updates
- get all the high end features
Use a custom Rom
- get the newest Updates
Don't use nexus or Custom Rom
- Wait for slow manufactures
It's really about as simple as that.

Thanks for the insight.
Would you mind please installing CPU-Z and prove to me the G5 Plus has a compass.
As I have said I am not into rooting or custom ROMs. And besides I might invalidate the warranty of my phone or further damage the software as I still think ROMS are unstable anyway.
So, what you are saying a USB Type-C (a technology which is technically around for over a year now) would be expensive in terms of being incorporated in a device?
Is a blue light filter toggle being baked in the SW difficult to do by a devs?
And would 3GB of memory be enough? Really worried that apps are not kept on memory so apps reload and not load instantly.

Moto G5 Plus has a compass in USA, but not in Europe. Also, yes, 3 GB of RAM is fine. 2 GB is just enough, 3 GB is good, 4 GB is great

Well, that's the trouble right there. One country had slightly altered specs than the other. I wonder what made Motorola-Lenovo decide why us Brits/Europeans don't need a compass in our phones. Stupid really.

Gino76ph said:
Well, that's the trouble right there. One country had slightly altered specs than the other. I wonder what made Motorola-Lenovo decide why us Brits/Europeans don't need a compass in our phones. Stupid really.
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Probably the same ones that decided the US version didn't need NFC. It's almost like they've decided to the penny what they are going to put into the phones and then they clip a coin to see which market gets what.
After the G4 I decided I'd never own another Lenovo product but I did look hard at the G5. Since my G4 is running ok for now, I've decided to hold off and see if the rumor mill holds true about the G5S later this year. I may take another look then.

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Probably the same ones that decided the US version didn't need NFC. It's almost like they've decided to the penny what they are going to put into the phones and then they clip a coin to see which market gets what.
After the G4 I decided I'd never own another Lenovo product but I did look hard at the G5. Since my G4 is running ok for now, I've decided to hold off and see if the rumor mill holds true about the G5S later this year. I may take another look then.
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When I had the G4 it developed some water damage (the worse I did with the phone was i quickly "washed" it with water under the sink but only for 1-2 seconds nothing more) hence I got disappointed. I held off for a new G5 simply because I was just underwhelmed somewhat and also disappointed because Lenovo decided on (what I view strongly as ) cost cutting exercises as I mentioned earlier such as having no compass, no USB Type-C, "advanced" nano coating and not some IP-rated protection, a measly 5MP front cam and no 7.1.1 on release.
I did saw news of an updated G5S phones but they may not come till late this year so I'm back on the drawing board i.e. getting another G4 by the meantime or buy an old flagship like S7 (which can be had for exactly the same price as a UK-spec G5) or an iPhone 6S or a much cheaper/older Nexus 6P. Lost faith in a Sony phone as battery life has been an issue for me since.

After using this phone
I regret not buying Lenovo p2 or lenovo zuk z2
Z2 has 820
It was being offered for $200

suhridkhan said:
You sound like you are expecting a flagship level performance from a midranger.
You should be looking for a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus.
Yes, gps should be a bit finicky for walking navigation for initial navigation, once you start walking it should be fine.
No, it's not gonna be safe for dropping in the sink.
Not even Galaxy S8 or LG G6 got any updates beyond 7.0. For a budget phone don't expect security update every month. I would expect a security update like every 3/4 months. And It's probably gonna jump to Android 8.0 directly at the beginning of next year. Assumption is based on the update of my Moto Z play.
You are right about the camera, but unless you purchase a next year's flagship, there is no better camera than this for less than 300$ price tag.
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Hey you, expecting something from a company which previously did the same isn't "expecting flagship performance"
The major reason for people to buy Motog is because they have an impression that Moto provides regular updates, but now when things are changing and Lenovo just killing what Moto was known for than its a few more years in which people would know the reality. Why would have I bought Motog if I could have bought Lenovo P2 with the same price, it's having same specs + a 64bit os + an amoled screen + 5100mah battery + compass sensor. It's because of my expectation from Moto to provide me updates and if they don't then moto's uniqueness would be self destroyed and me and I believe many like me would find nothing which would differentiate Moto from other brands.
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So you think a Lenovo P2 is better choice than a Moto G5 Plus phone?

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So you think a Lenovo P2 is better choice than a Moto G5 Plus phone?
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Pros in Lenovo P2 but should u really care:
1. 64bit os - all apps that I use are supported by the 32bit Motog, and the performance isnt affected by any means running a 32bit os. Practically it's the same, I have had no issues running the 32bit os on my Moto g since I bought it, if it wasn't for this thread then I wouldn't have even noticed that it has a 32bit os [emoji28]
2. Amoled screen - amoled screen is good for viewing because of its punchy colors but it has its own issues like screen burning, LCD panel isn't bad by any means and if you are coming from a device that already had LCD screen than u would be happy by the display of Moto g. It's just good.
3. 5100mah battery- it's hard to defend this but I prefer a device with 3000mah over 5100mah as sd625 with 3000mah easily gives me 6+ hours of sot by heavy usage and it's the practical amount anyone would use a smartphone is a day, so this makes me charge my device everyday at the end of the day with which I am familiar, having a 5100mah battery would disbalance my stats and would give me 1.5days of usage, but still I would charge my device everyday as I can't charge my device in the afternoon due to life/job/education, so having a 5100mah is good but not practical, not for me, especially with that sweetttt sd625 chip inside, it's the best chipset in the budget market right now, awesome battery life and no heating issues.
Compass sensor- it's good to have as many sensors as possible, the most practical use of the compass sensor is for navigation, and navigation works really fine even without it *with a constant internet connection of course [emoji28] *, until u are used to offline maps and use them for navigation u won't notice any major difference.
Pros with Motog that u can't ignore:
1. The brand value: even if we geeks know that Lenovo owns Motorola but the world in general loves Moto g and is familiar with this brand for decades, Moto demands respect which a fone branded with Lenovo(f*** china [emoji36] ) don't, and that matters.
2. Better updates - even though Lenovo bought Moto the staff of Moto is still there, and I think they will not let us down as they know what we expect from them, Lenovo P2 got nougat update but it's so buggy that some users can't even watch YouTube videos with peace (audio syncing issues), you can see YouTube videos of users telling how to get back to marshmallow also, that's what I mean by "better" updates, that Chinese company can't compete with the technical staff in term of updates. It's 90% sure that we would get android o and it's 100% sure Lenovo P2 won't, coz it's just isn't their thing [emoji23]
3. Better camera- no need to explain on that, it's just the way it is. Best in class
4. That plain screen- Moto g has a plain Gorilla glass while Lenovo P2 has a 2.5d curved glass, it's so hard to find a good tempered glass protector for a 2.5d glass, I own a 2.5d glass device for months now and I am sick of it, with Moto g I can easily get a good tempered glass anywhere, literally anywhere.
5. Stock android- again nothing to explain u about this, just enjoy stock android in its full glory with Motog [emoji4]
That's the reason why I choose Moto g over lenovo P2, Moto g according to me is the most balanced smartphone in the budget segment right now, it don't really excells in anything, it's just a solid allrounder, i have been using it for weeks now and there's nothing to complain about. I was getting Lenovo P2 for ₹11750 ($175.37) and still I choose Moto g(4/32gb) which I got at ₹12750 ($190.29), and I know I would never regret my decision,
thanks for patiently reading this [emoji23]
Peace [emoji111]
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