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Which Note 2 supports more networks and frequencies; and therefore, which would be more suitable for international travel. Is the Verizon Note 2 even pentaband?
T mobile version because it's gsm which is going to work overseas. Verizon is a CDMA and I haven't read that it has gsm support.
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Rhiannon224 said:
T mobile version because it's gsm which is going to work overseas. Verizon is a CDMA and I haven't read that it has gsm support.
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Yup, the T-Mobile version will work in more places overseas -- Especially Europe. Just in case, you might want to ask this in the Verizon area also just to make sure. :good:
I'm confused because on Samsungs website, http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I605TSAVZW-specs
the Verizon Model has the GSM frequencies,
is it GSM if unlocked; i believe the Note 2 is already unlocked by verizon, will it work on GSM frequencies internationally?
correct me if I'm wrong, thanks
the verizon Galaxy Note II apparently has the GSM radios,
also has LTE; doesn't AT&T LTE work along same frequencies as verizon LTE
or is the verizon LTE exlusively to CDMA?
All Galaxy Note 2 devices seem to have all WCDMA, GSM, and LTE bands.
But what I understand is that Verizon version is considered as a "world" phone. I know that they tell me that I can use their Galaxy Note 2 on the European Networks.
I have played around with the bands on my T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 and can get the WCDMA and LTE working. So I don't know if the Modem firmware in all Galaxy Note 2 are the same and just need to be activated by the carrier's sim card or not. Someone please educate us on the this. I know that their is talk of needing OTA update to activate the LTE within T-Mobile GN2. But if the Modem is all the same then can just updating or exchanging the sim card could do the same? Or does the nv file also needs to be updated to activate the band/s as well?
The question is not if Galaxy Note 2 (all verisons) have the bands. But how to (the actual process) activate the band, in question, and get the Galaxy Note 2 in working order with the carrier of choice? What is the method? How to do the process of this method?
Please correct me if I am getting this wrong.
^ good point, and also just to ask about the verizon note 2 again, i thought it carries carries an an additional radio for CDMA, does this mean that the verizon note 2 model has better capabilities worldwide' since it is virtually compatible with all networks in the world (simply tweaks to the frequencies to the radio can get the verizon variant working virtually anywhere) please correct me if I'm wrong here. thanks
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Problem I have seen in the past with Verizon world phones is that the game frequencies only work overseas. And lte is gsm band. Which is one of the few reasons Verizon phones have a sim slot to begin with
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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
But doesn't Verizon use LTE on the 700 band just like AT&T and future TMobile LTE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Please correct me if I'm wrong, thank you.
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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
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So the Verizon Note2 is like the AT&T Note2 & Sprint Note2 (supporting 21Mbps HSPA+ but not 42Mbps like T-Mobile) but all only with their own respective LTE?..wouldn't it be more cost effective for Samsung just to make 1 phone with all the hardware to support all (isn't the iPhone5 like that now?) or is it cost prohibitive or do carriers not want to make it easier to unlock?
Are we still confident that the T-Mobile Note2 is the best if we want the flexibility to use on all carriers? How often is >21Mbps HSPA+ seen in real world use & why is the disabled LTE not listed at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1877 ?
So, which is better then, Verizon or T-Mobile? Verizon's Note 2 also includes a CDMA radio whereas the T-Mobile version does not. If you are using the Note 2 in the US, wouldn't you have more flexible options in terms of which carrier to use?
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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
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So do we consider the Verizon Note2 even more carrier flexible than T-Mobile's Note2 (as I was about ready to buy the T-Mobile Note2 to try their $30/mo plan but now having some doubts..if I want this tomorrow I need to order soon) ?
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Well LTE On the Verizon Note 2 is only compatible with Verizon's Network. Even if unlocked; the phone's firmware only recognizes LTE if only the Verizon 750 band is detected. Verizon has its own exclusive LTE bands compared to AT&T and Future T-Mobile LTE (sharing the same LTE bands)
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So do we consider the Verizon Note2 even more carrier flexible than T-Mobile's Note2 (as I was about ready to buy the T-Mobile Note2 to try their $30/mo plan but now having some doubts..if I want this tomorrow I need to order soon) ?
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I cannot speak to the CDMA radio issue, but I am positive that Verizon LTE will not work with any GSM LTE phone. The frequencies are similar, but Verizon is using a different LTE protocol. I asked that question a long time ago, thinking that LTE would finally allow roaming between Verizon and AT&T, but they are too clever to allow such a democratic system to function. They will remain fundamentally incompatible, not because they need to be, but because they want it that way to keep you locked to your carrier by your choice of device. Nice, eh?
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The Verizon NoteII will (in theory) connect to any gsm carrier. How to do so, I don't know.
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^^^ Well, the Verizon Note 2 will not be able to work with another carrier's LTE than itself.
my experience
Hey folks,
I've got the Verizon Note 2 and I love it. If you're willing to unlock the bootloader and then install a hack onto your device, you'll easily be able to swap the SIM card out and use it just about anywhere. Yes, the phone is carrier unlocked (not the same as bootloader unlocked). The issue is that in the settings, they won't let you add the specific APNs for the carriers you need. I"m not sure how else to get around that without installing some of the hacks. I managed to do it and it works beautifully on Canada's Bell Mobility, HSPA+ is screamingly fast and the LTE on VErizon in the States is just insanely fast. My recommendation: get the Verizon version because they've built out their LTE much more than their rivals at this point.
On anantech the reviewer stated that the tmobile version would be the most compatible. If you get vzw note2 and switch you wont get lte on tmob or att. Quite frankly vzw is too expensive and the coverage from tmobile is getting better by the month. Not to mention their business pricing is better than any of the other carriers.
Hey Guys,
Not sure where to ask at this point, but I know that there is a Verizon forum for the S4, but this is more T-Mobile inclined question.
My mom was given an S4 at her job from Verizon but I convinced her to give it to me since I wanted it and I gave her my Tmobile Note 2.
I put my sim card into the Verizon S4 and configured the APN setting so now im getting faster data speeds with the Verizon S4 than I was with my Tmobile Note 2. So everything works but the phone is in Global mode, which I dont really care at this point.
My question is though, how can I get the Verizon S4 to connect to the Tmobile signal cel-fi booster that I have. I have no service at my job so therefore I obtained one of the boosters offered by Tmobile, works great with my Note 2, but the S4 does not recognize the cel-fi booster.
Please advise...
I guessing the cell fi thing is for tmobile phone only. I'm sure tmobile don't want just anyone to use their products.
It's probably a firmware deal and not the SIM that recognized the cell fi.
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Yes, I definitely understand that, but I am using a TMobile sim card, logged into Tmobile towers, using Tmobile 4G LTE network, but the hardware/firmware is Verizon, so that is why I am asking if it is doable to get this working? Perhaps if flashing a rom or something?
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Yes, I definitely understand that, but I am using a TMobile sim card, logged into Tmobile towers, using Tmobile 4G LTE network, but the hardware/firmware is Verizon, so that is why I am asking if it is doable to get this working? Perhaps if flashing a rom or something?
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Could it be a hardware issue? Tmobile special band which does noy jave in the verizon phone?
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I don tknow, thats why im asking you guys lol
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I don tknow, thats why im asking you guys lol
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Your best bet is to call T Mobile tech support and ask them. You've got a really obsscure question that probably has to deal with the frequencies the 2 devices communicate on that no one here has probably ever dealt with. T Mobile is going to be the quickest way to get this answer.
The T-Mobile cel-fi operates at the 1700MHz aws frequencies. According to this thread they are not enabled by default on the Verizon galaxy s4. So that's why it's not picking up the signal from the cel-fi.
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elesbb said:
The T-Mobile cel-fi operates at the 1700MHz aws frequencies. According to this thread they are not enabled by default on the Verizon galaxy s4. So that's why it's not picking up the signal from the cel-fi.
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Guys,
I work for Cel-Fi - it looks like you are correct.
The RS2 Cel-Fi (the latest one) will boost 2 bands: 1.9GHz (aka PCS, Band 2) + AWS
BUT the older RS1 (we dont sell it anymore) will only boost AWS and not Band 2...
Check here for details on the Bands 2 and 4, and here for definitions of the bands...
It looks like the S4 gets 1900 band 2 (specs S4 for T-Mobile UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE)
Let us know which Cel-Fi you have...
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Laurent
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Guys,
I work for Cel-Fi - it looks like you are correct.
The RS2 Cel-Fi (the latest one) will boost 2 bands: 1.9GHz (aka PCS, Band 2) + AWS
BUT the older RS1 (we dont sell it anymore) will only boost AWS and not Band 2...
Check here for details on the Bands 2 and 4, and here for definitions of the bands...
It looks like the S4 gets 1900 band 2 (specs S4 for T-Mobile UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE)
Let us know which Cel-Fi you have...
Regards,
Laurent
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I have the RS1 (older one) got it for 90 bucks on ebay
Works great!
And since you work for Cel-Fi, does the RS2 model boost the LTE signal for T-Mobile or not? From what i am reading, it does not.
Sorry for my ignorance but how is the Verizon Galaxy S4 able to connect to T Mobile let alone LTE? Is Verizon S4 a pentaband phone? I think my knowledge is outdated but I was under the impression that Verizon uses CDMA
utsc said:
Sorry for my ignorance but how is the Verizon Galaxy S4 able to connect to T Mobile let alone LTE? Is Verizon S4 a pentaband phone? I think my knowledge is outdated but I was under the impression that Verizon uses CDMA
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They do, it switches to global mode (GSM) when you insert a non-verizon sim.. Most CDMA smartphones have this capability nowadays, which they did not before.. Verizon is the only carrier I know that does not lock the gsm radio on their phones, I think Sprint's phones are sim locked
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I'll sell the new cell-fi
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I have the N930W8 (the canadian note 7) and it shows 4G. Most of my other phones only showed 3G. I only pay $22 for 10GB of data so I dont want to leave them! I want root though and cant stand this sluggish battery draining snapdragon cpu..
Can someone please confirm for me whether 4G works on the N930F/FD models? From what I can see, the F/FD models support 3G only.
If you have someone with a Wind sim, please confirm whether 4G shows!
I'm on Koodo and using the N930FD and it is 4G enabled. I'll get a screen shot for you in a moment.
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Just searched up Wind Mobiles bands it uses 1700/2100 MHz the N930FD will work on Wind with 4G.
NIKKOTUASON said:
I'm on Koodo and using the N930FD and it is 4G enabled. I'll get a screen shot for you in a moment.
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Just searched up Wind Mobiles bands it uses 1700/2100 MHz the N930FD will work on Wind with 4G.
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Koodo is a lot more different from Wind though. According to the web guys, Wind 4G uses AWS B4 1700/2100, and though the F/FD models have HSDPA(3G) 1700/2100 and LTE CAT 9 1700/2100 but I dont see anything about AWS B4.
Of course the F/FD versions will work with all other major carriers, its just that Wind Mobile is a tad different.
The reason why I'm so confused is because I talked to a Wind rep and he said if it doesnt show AWS, then 4G wont work. Yet here I am with the W8 version with 4G.
Hmmm... I see your point. I understand how you feel I was in the same situation as you before getting the FD. I really want to find a person with Wind Mobile and a nano SIM just to see if 4g work lol.
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Hmmm... I see your point. I understand how you feel I was in the same situation as you before getting the FD. I really want to find a person with Wind Mobile and a nano SIM just to see if 4g work lol.
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If you could that would be freakin amazing. You can probably go to the Wind store and have them pop in one of their sims ^.^
For sure I'm going to be around the GTA today looking for cases if I see a Wind Mobile I'll definitely ask if I can test a SIM.
Wind is not 4G (LTE) its HSPA (3/3.5G) only... I've heard they will be launching sometime soon though. The FD will probably NOT work on wind.
I'm on Wind and ordered a FD variant from Ebay. I'll let you know if when it arrives and anyone else doesn't tell you first.
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Wind is not 4G (LTE) its HSPA (3/3.5G) only... I've heard they will be launching sometime soon though. The FD will probably NOT work on wind.
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Of course it will work with Wind. At least I know 3G will.
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Of course it will work with Wind. At least I know 3G will.
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Huh my mistake then... But yeah there's no LTE on wind yet.
@Class said:
Huh my mistake then... But yeah there's no LTE on wind yet.
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Yea I know they dont have LTE, but like others have said, they do have 3.5 which they like to pretend is 4G (and it shows up as 4G on my phone at least). I just want to knoe whether the F/FD actually shows 4G.
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Yea I know they dont have LTE, but like others have said, they do have 3.5 which they like to pretend is 4G (and it shows up as 4G on my phone at least). I just want to knoe whether the F/FD actually shows 4G.
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The FD and F support all Canadian bands just the same as the Canadian S7 does (they use the same chipset! although a slightly different revision)
It supports B4 AWS LTE and B4 AWS HSPA.
In Canada, our CSC is set up to show 4G for HSPA because Canadian carriers are liars and request it that way.
When you use an International phone, it will probably say HSPA or 3G because that's what it really is, it's only an icon difference!
The bands are supported, the speeds are supported, the difference is only visual and you can change the icon to say 4G if you absolutely desire it.
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The FD and F support all Canadian bands just the same as the Canadian S7 does (they use the same chipset! although a slightly different revision)
It supports B4 AWS LTE and B4 AWS HSPA.
In Canada, our CSC is set up to show 4G for HSPA because Canadian carriers are liars and request it that way.
When you use an International phone, it will probably say HSPA or 3G because that's what it really is, it's only an icon difference!
The bands are supported, the speeds are supported, the difference is only visual and you can change the icon to say 4G if you absolutely desire it.
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I was curious about such a deceitful thing. Thanks for your input jc!
NOW i'm super excited to order the F!!
Speaking of which, has yours arrived yet?
I am using an att branded s9 on t mobile. I have successfully flashed to t mobile firmware, so wi fi calling works. When I compare the bands supported there are many differences between the two phones.
(https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s9-sm-g960-g965-model-number-differences/)
Is there any practical difference in the performance of these phones on t mobile network?
joelcop said:
I am using an att branded s9 on t mobile. I have successfully flashed to t mobile firmware, so wi fi calling works. When I compare the bands supported there are many differences between the two phones.
(https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s9-sm-g960-g965-model-number-differences/)
Is there any practical difference in the performance of these phones on t mobile network?
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Yes, and it also will depend on where you live. Some T-Mobile bands are not supported on the ATT version of the phone, so it's possible your signal/data could be weaker or slower depending on what the strongest bands are in the area. The ATT version also does not support the 600mhz band which is T-Mobile's new "big thing" they are rolling out. But if your phone is working and you are happy with it everywhere you go, I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe you can find someone with a Tmo S9 and just do some speed test/signal strength comparisons based on where you are.
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Yes, and it also will depend on where you live. Some T-Mobile bands are not supported on the ATT version of the phone, so it's possible your signal/data could be weaker or slower depending on what the strongest bands are in the area. The ATT version also does not support the 600mhz band which is T-Mobile's new "big thing" they are rolling out. But if your phone is working and you are happy with it everywhere you go, I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe you can find someone with a Tmo S9 and just do some speed test/signal strength comparisons based on where you are.
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thanks I'll try that
If you have Verizon and you get an Exynos international model in the USA, what would be the practical difference or issues you may experience?
Of course, the reason to get Exynos is for the unlocked bootloader.
Supposedly Exynos won't support any CDMA bands, so you'll only have service under LTE. However, looking at the 4G map for Verizon it's a solid color, so shouldn't this mean you shouldn't really have any loss of reception since you can just stay using LTE always?
How about internet speeds? Would there be any difference?
Are there any other practical differences?
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If you have Verizon and you get an Exynos international model in the USA, what would be the practical difference or issues you may experience?
Of course, the reason to get Exynos is for the unlocked bootloader.
Supposedly Exynos won't support any CDMA bands, so you'll only have service under LTE. However, looking at the 4G map for Verizon it's a solid color, so shouldn't this mean you shouldn't really have any loss of reception since you can just stay using LTE always?
How about internet speeds? Would there be any difference?
Are there any other practical differences?
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No warranrlty and not being able to walk into a repair center anywhere in the US.